On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:07:32 -0400
Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
Done it in the before
Yes. I regularly solder 0.5mm and 0.63mm pitch stuff by hand at work.
Done it in the basement / last 2 years - no.
No. I take all the stuff i want to solder to work and do it there.
Although i have
How many people are willing to solder up a project with multiple 0.5mm
spacing =144 pin package IC's on it? There's a typical package drawing
at
the end of:
For that complexity, I would only consider buying a pre-assembled and
tested board.
Cheers,
David
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:07:32
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Subject: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Hi
Just a show of hands sort of thing
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Subject: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Hi
On 26/03/2011, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
Best bet - get / make a simple screen printer. A manual one is going to be
cheap. A home made one is even cheaper. The solder screen it's self won't
cost you much more than the time you would spend programming the robot and
messing with it. Solder
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
I don't see a way to reasonably ship a solder mask with each board. I agree
it would be neat, but it would cost ...
Solder Stencil actually. The mask is part of the board.
Low use stencils are $25:
Bob Paddock wrote:
...
BGA's are actually easier to do than QFN parts, as long as you accept
the board is now not repairable and is a throwaway item.
...
BGA's are about as easy to rework as anything else. You use a hot air
rework station, and an underboard preheater. The hot air rework
John Miles jmiles at pop.net wrote:
That's my vote as well. Can do it, have done it, will do it again, but
only for things that are interesting enough to spend the time on. In
other words, no, I would not build a kit that replicated functionality
available in cheap surplus gear and was not
: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection - Short Run Assembly
On 26/03/2011, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
Best bet - get / make a simple screen printer. A manual one is going to be
cheap. A home made one is even cheaper. The solder screen it's self won't
cost you much more than the time you would spend
Hi
Just a show of hands sort of thing. It comes up each time we talk about
projects and never really gets answered. Rather than trying to work it out
as a part of a project, let's see if it can be addressed by it's self.
How many people are willing to solder up a project with multiple
Hi Bob:
Done it before - No.
Have done 0.05 (1.27mm) pitch and it's easy.
Done it / last 2 years - No.
Set up to do it - No.
I don't have a feel for the level of difficulty in working with 0.5mm
pitch parts. For example can you do it with a soldering iron (like I
use for 0.05 pitch
-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Camp
Sent: 25 March 2011 17:08
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Hi
Just a show of hands sort of thing. It comes up each time we talk about
projects
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Sent: 25 March 2011 17:08
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Hi
Just a show of hands sort of thing. It comes up each time we talk about
projects and never really gets answered. Rather
, 2011 1:18 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Hi Bob:
Done it before - No.
Have done 0.05 (1.27mm) pitch and it's easy.
Done it / last 2 years - No.
Set up to do it - No.
I don't have a feel for the level of difficulty
With regards to soldering .5mm pitch parts:
I've never done that professionally or as a hobby.
I don't see myself doing this at home.
On Fri Mar 25th, 2011 1:07 PM EDT Bob Camp wrote:
Hi
Just a show of hands sort of thing. It comes up each time we talk about
projects and never really gets
of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Here are my answers:
Done it before? - yes.
Done it in the basement / last 2 years? - Yes. In last 24 hours actually.
Set up to do it in the basement? - Yes. Can do by hand, hot air rework
tools, or reflow oven
Hi
Done it in the before - yes.
Done it in the basement / last 2 years - and from quite longer than that...
Set up to do it in the basement - yes
Would I buy one - I'm afraid I don't fully understand your question, but I
routinely buy and solder 0.5mm spacing TQFPs (counts as yes?)
.
Bob
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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 1:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Hi
Done it in the before - yes
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Hi
Just a show of hands sort of thing. It comes up each time we talk about
projects and never really gets answered. Rather than trying to work it out
as a part of a project, let's see if it can
: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Bob Camp
Sent: 25 March 2011 17:08
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Hi
Just a show of hands sort of thing. It comes up each time we talk about
projects
My answers below (cursing iPad mail reader for this kind of thing)
On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
I'm not talking about opinions on weather it can or can't be done. It
certainly can be done and is done every day. What I'm asking is - would you
buy a bag with the
: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Hi,
I have done this sort of stuff multiple times, and am prepared to do it
again (in the basement) as long as my eyes are good enough and my hands
steady.
0.5 mm pin pitch is certainly doable with a soldering iron. The trick is to
not be afraid of shorting pins. I
Would I take on a project with those parts? Maybe but eBay places an
upper limit on what I'll spend to build something. I'd much rather
buy a used HP counter for $250 than spend $500 to build one. You'd
have to get the build cost to less than 1/2 the buy cost.
0.5 mm is not that hard to hand
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
My answers below (cursing iPad mail reader for this kind of thing)
On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
I'm not talking about opinions on weather it can or can't be done. It
certainly can be done and is done every day. What I'm asking
I have assembled hundreds of such parts using only a
low cost Antex 15W soldering iron, some fine diameter
solder and some solder wick. A hot air gun makes
removal very easy and I have never damaged a PCB
using the hot air removal method.
Solder diameter should be .010 - .015 mils Large
diameter
: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
I have assembled hundreds of such parts using only a
low cost Antex 15W soldering iron, some fine diameter
solder and some solder wick. A hot air gun makes
removal very easy and I have never damaged a PCB
using the hot air removal method.
Solder diameter should
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Behalf Of Greg Broburg
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 2:53 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
I have assembled hundreds of such parts using only a
low cost Antex 15W soldering iron, some fine diameter
solder and some
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
How many people are willing to solder up a project with multiple 0.5mm
spacing =144 pin package IC's on it?
The example was a LQFP 144-pins.
Done it before - no, but I have worked with SMT such as 18-pins SOIC
(1.27 mm) and 24 pin
swed
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 2:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
My first answer would be heck no. Enough trouble with 16 pin chips.
BUT now you have set the bait. A cesium standard.
That would grab my attention. So indeed
Done it before: yes
Done it in the last 2 years: yes
Setup to do it in the basement: yes, I use soldering iron and/or hot air and
have a USB inspection microscope
Would I byt one? Yes Yes Yes I'm always on the lookout for more complex kits
Would do in a reasonable amount of time: Yes
I've
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
How many people are willing to solder up a project with multiple 0.5mm
spacing =144 pin package IC's on it?
The example was a LQFP 144-pins
Done it in the before - Yes
Done it in the basement / last 2 years - Yes
Set up to do it in the basement - Yes (bedroom, no basement)
Would I buy one - done that before. Yes
Would actually do it in a reasonable amount of time - Yes
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time-nuts
: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Done it in the before - Yes
Done it in the basement / last 2 years - Yes
Set up to do it in the basement - Yes (bedroom, no basement)
Would I buy one - done that before. Yes
Would actually do it in a reasonable amount of time - Yes
and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Done it in the before - Yes
Done it in the basement / last 2 years - Yes
Set up to do it in the basement - Yes (bedroom, no basement)
Would I buy one - done that before. Yes
Would actually do it in a reasonable amount
My answers:
Done it in the before - yes.
Done it in the basement / last 2 years - yes.
Set up to do it in the basement - yes.
Would I buy one - depend on the specs - if better then 5370, yes.
Would actually do it in a reasonable amount of time - unlikely.
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Hi Bob,
Have done it at home and work
Am set up at home
Would do it (have done smaller)
Robert G8RPI.
--- On Fri, 25/3/11, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
From: Bob Camp li...@rtty.us
Subject: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
time-nuts
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
My answers:
Done it in the before - yes.
Done it in the basement / last 2 years - yes.
Set up to do it in the basement - yes.
Would I buy one - depend on the specs - if better then 5370, yes.
Would actually do
Ok, I'll add mine
Done it in the before - yes.
Done it in the kitchen / last 2 years - yes
Set up to do it in the kitchen - yes, but not set up well.
Would I buy one - done that before. Likely would again. (counts as a yes).
Would actually do it in a reasonable amount of time -yes
ian
-nuts] Parts Selection
Ok, I'll add mine
Done it in the before - yes.
Done it in the kitchen / last 2 years - yes
Set up to do it in the kitchen - yes, but not set up well.
Would I buy one - done that before. Likely would again. (counts as a yes).
Would actually do it in a reasonable amount
On Mar 25, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
Hi
Any part of the home is fine.
All I'm trying to rule out is take it to work and have them do it and
take it to work and build it with their gear. Those might be unreasonable
constraints. There may be places that are fine
Hi -
New to the list as of last night - much more activity than I expected.
As an introduction, my name I Brent, and I work mostly in the subsea
world, although prior to that, in the RF/microwave test equipment
world.
I expected to lurk for a good 6 months before chiming in, but what the heck.
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Parts Selection
Have I? Yes
Could I? Yes
Would I? For the kind of project mentioned, hell no. Life is too short.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote:
Hi
For the sake
Done it in the before - yes.
Done it in the kitchen / last 2 years - yes
Set up to do it in the kitchen - yes.
Would I buy one - probably not, given your constraints. Never build what you
can reasonably buy.
Would actually do it in a reasonable amount of time -yes
As far as the stencil is
On Friday 25 March 2011, Bob Camp wrote:
Done it in the before - yes.
Yes.
Done it in the basement / last 2 years - no.
Yes.
Set up to do it in the basement - yes, but not set up well.
Yes.
Would I buy one - done that before. Likely would again. (counts as a yes).
Depends.
Would
Done it in the before - yes.
Done it in the home lab / last 2 years - yes.
Set up to do it in the home lab - yes.
Would I buy one - yes.
Would actually do it in a reasonable amount of time - Yes
A weekend or two.
--- Graham / KE9H
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time-nuts
Haven't read all 33 replies, so I must be repeating at least one:
Can't do it. Too old and shaky. Don't want to buy expensive equipment
to equip myself to do it. Don't consider the micro to be a useful
tool, unlike most on this list. Have no trouble with vacuum tube
and 0.1 perf board parts.
My
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, John Miles jmi...@pop.net wrote:
Life is too short to turn your basement into a
one-person Chinese sweatshop. Meanwhile, the value offered by preassembled
eval/development/training boards can be considerable.
Even in Chinese sweatshops where people work cheap
Done it before - yes.
Done it in the basement - yes
Last 2 years - no.
Set up to do it in the basement - yes, but not set up well.
Anticipating buying a hot air system soon.
Would I buy one - done that before. Likely would again. - Yes
Would actually do it in a reasonable amount of time -
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