Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Scott McGrath
From pictures bumpers are installed in an inverted position. Reverse them Whoever put this together in CN did not have any idea of how this series of cases are assembled or did not care Content by Scott Typos by Siri On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:08 PM, HP-mini blm-ubu...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 14 December 2014 at 02:31, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi You see a lot of surplus HP gear with the feet pulled. That was pretty standard when gear was rack mounted. Bob There are not the usual 3 holes underneath where feet go. I would nice to be able to find a few photos of a real

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Dec 14, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk wrote: On 14 December 2014 at 02:31, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi You see a lot of surplus HP gear with the feet pulled. That was pretty standard when gear was rack mounted.

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 14 December 2014 at 19:32, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: There are not the usual 3 holes underneath where feet go. I understand that they are different. The problem is the same though. Pulling a box in and out of a rack with feet or bumpers on it is a pain. They often get “lost” early

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Alan Hochhalter
The 58503A in the picture on leapsecond.com looks very similar to my older 34401A DVM which doesn't have separate feet. The molded plastic pieces on both ends have those crenelations that serve the same function. Alan On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The desktop version (with handle) used the rubber “bumper” wrap around for feet. The bumpers got pulled when they were rack mounted. The ones that got put back on may or may not be identical to the originals. That’s a very normal part of the surplus process. The 100% correct HP original

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Scott McGrath
Much of the Malaysian Agilent gear uses this style of case with a wraparound bumper in place of the system II feet and feet are removed when gear is rack mounted. One of my best surplus buys ever was a huge crate of mixed mounting hardware feet / rack flanges etc I've been using that box o

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Dec 14, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Scott McGrath scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: Much of the Malaysian Agilent gear uses this style of case with a wraparound bumper in place of the system II feet and feet are removed when gear is rack mounted. One of my best surplus buys ever was a huge crate

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
Dr. David Kirkby Ph.D CEng MIET Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Althorne, Essex, CM3 6DT, UK. Registered in England and Wales, company number 08914892. http://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Tel: 07910 441670 / +44 7910 441670 (0900 to 2100 GMT only please) On

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi If you type 58503A into Google, it will come up with a whole raft of pictures of various angles on the device. Since none of them are from HP / Symmetricom, any / all *could* be fakes. Logic suggests that at least 90% of them are the real thing. Bob On Dec 14, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Dr.

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Alan Hochhalter
What Bob suggested is just what I did. The leapsecond photos happened to be the very first ones. I was careless when typing and didn't think about gmail creating a link out of it. Alan On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi If you type 58503A into Google, it will

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi Every one that I found showing enough detail had the bumper with feet rather than the feet that clip into the case. A couple of power options are illustrated (DC and AC) with various option numbers attached. Bob On Dec 14, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Alan Hochhalter alanh...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Paul
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk wrote: I'd like to find a picture of a *genuine* 58503A. The instance pictured has the 16-char display option so it doesn't look like many of the images you find of the 58503A.

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi That display is a pretty hard part to fake. It’s not custom enough to be impossible to find, but I doubt it’s a stock part at your local market. Bob On Dec 14, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Paul tic-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
If any of you want me to post more photos let me know. I have several of every kind of HP/Agilent GPSDO product. And they are all genuine because I bought them a decade before the China/eBay/GPSDO business. Right, I probably should have included some of HP's GPSDO products in the hpclocks

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Pete Lancashire
And 'scope probes :-) On Dec 14, 2014 12:59 PM, Bob Camp kb...@n1k.org wrote: Hi On Dec 14, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Scott McGrath scmcgr...@gmail.com wrote: Much of the Malaysian Agilent gear uses this style of case with a wraparound bumper in place of the system II feet and feet are removed

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Bob Camp
Hi On Dec 14, 2014, at 8:05 PM, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: And 'scope probes :-) Ok, that’s just plain not fair. I could accept the motherland of bumpers and handles. Tossing in scope probes … you are not to expect the usual fruit basket from me at Christmas :) Bob

[time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Mark Sims
Ebay is your friend when you need footsies for your old HP equipment... just search for HP FEET and you should be able to find what you need. As usual, you will find sellers with reasonable prices and those that think they are made of 25k gold.

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 15 Dec 2014 00:52, Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com wrote: If any of you want me to post more photos let me know. I have several of every kind of HP/Agilent GPSDO product. And they are all genuine because I bought them a decade before the China/eBay/GPSDO business. Hi Tom, I would appreciate

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-14 Thread Tom Van Baak
this thread. Thanks, /tvb - Original Message - From: Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement ; Tom Van Baak Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-13 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 13 December 2014 at 11:13, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk wrote: I have a counterfeit 58503A which appears to run warmer than I would have expected. I'm not sure if this may be by design, or if there is a fault, or maybe there is simply not enough

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-13 Thread HP-mini
On Sat, 2014-12-13 at 15:18 +, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) wrote: I just noticed. Since there are no feet on this, there is no way any air can get into the slots in the base The oven was running too hot for me to touch - I doubt that is normal, but perhaps others no

Re: [time-nuts] Ventilation of HP 58503A GPS time frequency reference receiver

2014-12-13 Thread Bob Camp
Hi You see a lot of surplus HP gear with the feet pulled. That was pretty standard when gear was rack mounted. Bob On Dec 13, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd) drkir...@kirkbymicrowave.co.uk wrote: On 13 December 2014 at 11:13, Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave