am sure this subject has been covered but I don't know how to find it.
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is likely to be as good or better
then a WWWV sync'd atomic clock.There is not much reason to buy
one of those any more.
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of power
The OP is not looking for a practical solution. He is going to have
to build it. Maybe even use real seven segment LEDS and a wood
cabinet for a 1970's retro look.
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connection might not get as good a result.
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hardware hackers. Cost is $5 different. You can read specs and the
respective forums.
One thing to watch out for is that all ARM boards run on 3.3 volts. The
serial ports are 3.3 volts. Don't connect a 5 volt signal and certainly
NOT a real RS232 level signal
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to be better in that regard since
the Ethernet MAC is directly on the CPU. The BBB is also entirely open
source, unlike the proprietary Broadcom CPU on the RPi.
Didier KO4BB
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It's not going to work
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Your filtering equations look strange.
Rather than having a PI loop it looks like both the P and I branch
integrates. I'm also unclear about the loop gain changes by the pre-filter
averager.
Will have to look more at your code.
Cheers,
Magnus
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Paul, as I said I just want to know how close my crystals are and be able
to adjust them as well as they can be.
Don't say as well as can
Junk crystals are good thermometers. Ballpark is 1 ppm/degree-C
So does this mean I can epoxy a sandstone power resister to a junk
crystal and keep the frequency exactly perfect by varying the power in
the resister?
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thermometer then frequency is all you need to measure.
One can make the control easier by adding some thermal mass. A big
chunk of metal would add some stability.
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is a lab 10MHz
reference good to 11 digits then see who can do the job at lowest
cost.
Thanks that schematic looks to be the exact one I was looking for,
I've got most of the rest of what's needed to connect it to a GPS.
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be required to build a
dual channel GPSDO.
It will be interesting to look at andompare the 10MHz outputs of two
oscillators that are being disciplined by the same controller and GPS
receiver.
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on an 8-bit controller.
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output into binary mode. NMEA is a lowest common
denominator data format used by GPS, marine autopilots, compass, wind
and log instruments. It was never designed for timing. It's for ship
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devices to the same serial interface, like a DAC or whatever
Lars
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On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Didier Juges shali...@gmail.com wrote:
Tom and Bob,
It is not obvious to me that it is easier to simply apply a correction in
nS increments with a range as wide
don't need to worry about errors
that are well under 0.5 mV.
If I were building this using a 24-bit ADC and wanted to take full
advantage of its resolution then tiny things matter.
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on back then.
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think you are. I'm guessing and we'd need both the spec sheet and
your code to know for sure.
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Sorry forgot to add this.
As for delayed turn on. That can work but why not simply have the software
go into a 5 or 10 second wait before it does anything else. Display
warming up or please wait on the LCD.
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. I like the comparator best
because it will not load the clock. Diodes will load it for other users.
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is finding the right
values for the constants.
This is worth reading
PIDforDummies.html http://www.csimn.com/CSI_pages/PIDforDummies.html
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can't do
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of the power and ground pins.
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I found a Bliley 10MHz OCXO model NV47M1008
Anyone here know about these? They seem to be available for about
$11.00 or so.
I looked around on the web and found specs for units that are kind of
like this but not this exact model.
You can see one at eBay #171274003103
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billion requests per day then buy many
copies the ARM based systems. They are cheap.
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each adds up to a ton of money.
It might pay to be a simple pirate and simply steel the cargo no
political or religious motives at all, just the valuable goods in the
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These plots would have taken weeks of data collection. Instead it took 20
seconds with the simulator.
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To: Tom Van Baak t...@leapsecond.com; Discussion of precise time and
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primary target market.
Mike George
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I can see a use for an inexpensive GPSDO with a built-in
gigabit ethernet or USB3 port powering an NTP server.
Neither of those
about timing you will distribute a PPS or a
10MHz reference
NTP is best used over the Internet. It was designed for unreliable data links.
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Internet goes down NTP will find which of the local island servers has
the most stable clock and those will cary the most weight in the
calculation of consensus time which is a weighted time based on all
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then it
will as good as PTP. That should be obvious.
NTP is modular and it is easy to write a new reference clock driver.
So if I had time stamping network hardware, I'd want an NTP driver for
it and would use it. But most network hardware lacks the feature.
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can short cut this and
go straight to the target hardware. But I think or hope we will see a
more complex generation of GPSDO that have a LCD display, user
interface and built-in network services. You can't short cut
something like that.
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. There is not point in correcting
the pulse, you don't need a corrected pulse. What you want is a
measurement of the phase.
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On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Paul tic-...@bodosom.net wrote:
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:26 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk
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Yes. NTP calls it root distance
the low speed link
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[I apologize in advance]
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Peole here have very much mis-understood the term Root Distance.
I don't think Poul-Henning Kamp should be accused
. This gives you a rough DAC vs. Phase function. Re-running the
calibration could make up for some component aging. It would take some
time (hours) to wait for everything to warm up and then you'd have to move
the EFV voltage slowly
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said this was going to drive a wall clock?
But on the other hand using sawtooth is free and does not add to the parts
count. All you do is read some serial data.
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the Doppler sift of the
transmitter.I've been trying to figure out what 90 microns/sec
means in terms of frequency. But I think(?) I need to know the
orbital velocity of Enceladus.
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of transponder so the high
precision clock is on Earth. They say this is the first time they
are able to detect mechanical movement in the ground station antenna
in the Doppler data. I guess 90 uM/sec sensitivity just about
everything is a noise source.
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#define PWMHIGHPIN 3 // high PWM-DAC pin (connected to 39k)
#define PWMLOWPIN 11 // low PWM-DAC pin (connected to 10M)
volatile boolean pps_interrupt = false;
volatile unsigned long timer1CountNew = 0;
volatile unsigned long
is left open (disconnected) and a you can see the
frequency is spot on 10MHz.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0gy3yobd4myi4vp/waveform.jpg
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pull the frequency back up to 10MHz from 0.
My next test will be to feed a 10MHZ and PPS signals into the Arduino from
a Thunderbolt. The TB signal is near perfect and I will look at the
noise reported by the Arduino. Something to try while I unsolder the
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Later I add some sophistication back in and measure the effect. Heck at
this point I have a capacitor based TIC that I am completely IGNORING.
The point is to see what each added layer of complexity buys.
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easier to deal with than a
general purpose multi-tasking operating system. There is far less
non-determinism.
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dozen at present.
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is new and not generally released yet, but is
available on request by contacting its author via the Arduino forum. This
may be an answer to the issue Chris Albertson raised on how to test a GPSDO
without expensive gear. You can for example produce a histogram of the
5-minute average DAC output values
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It might work, then I can get rid of counting overflows.
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I'm thinking about good reasons to build a GPSDO using something as big and
powerful as a 32-bit ARM processor.I think the reason is that you are
not really building a GPSDO but some other device that just happens to have
a GPSDO inside of it.
For example you want to build a laser range
in your case, while doing a binary search I must
count all 10,000,000 cycles.
So at each cycle in your binary search what data do you need to decide if
the frequency is high or low?
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the TIC capacitor voltage too.
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location mode. Pick a really
good spot for the antenna
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averaged them together
you could somehow get a quality clock, or at
least 31.6 times better. Kind of like the
notion of 1000 monkeys with 1000 typewriters...
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and version of each.
I just got a couple small LCD graphic panels from China. Free shipping got
them here is just a few days. Cost $2.60 each. They should make for a nice
status display.
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Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California
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Lars' circuit with a TDK C0G ceramic
capacitor FK28C0G1H102J, which is supposed to be good to 30ppm/deg C, and
no-name carbon resistors. I will fiddle with it and see if I can figure out
where the sensitivity is coming from.
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Chris Albertson
albertson.ch
hate spam.
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No need for '74 FFs or '373' or counter chips.I do get precision timing
with no time critical software, no 74xxx chips.
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