Re: NullPointerException from HttpSessionFacade.invalidate()

2001-01-15 Thread Hans Bergsten
Gokul Singh wrote: - Original Message - From: "Hans Bergsten" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gokul Singh wrote: Hans Bergsten wrote: [...] I am trying to disallow a single user to have multiple login sessions valid at any given time. I have to enforce this even if the user

BugRat Report #766 has been filed.

2001-01-15 Thread BugRat Mail System
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Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Peter Donald
At 12:10 15/1/01 -0800, Jon Stevens wrote: Actually NOTHING has been debated OR decided on any of the closed lists. I wonder how many times I (and others) need to repeat that to you before you actually hear and acknowledge it. every time it arises or there is conflict - thats the joy of closed

Re: FW: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Hans Bergsten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I think I have to clear few things up. I already announced ( probably not clearly enough ) my intention to give up and spend my free time in better ways. This is a form of vote, BTW. As far as I can recall, you been saying that, but you have also said you

BugRat Report #767 has been filed.

2001-01-15 Thread BugRat Mail System
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BugRat Bug #37 - entire org.apache.tomcat.util package locks up under load

2001-01-15 Thread BugRat Mail System
Bug #37 Details Project: Tomcat Category: Feature Requests SubCategory: Enhancement Class: swbug State: open Priority: high Severity: serious Confidence: public Environment: Release: 3.1 JVM Release: SE linux1.3.0b7 Operating System: linux OS Release: 2.2 Platform: i686

RE: An alternative to JSP

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
I would not call them "template engineers", but I already called them scripters. Anyway, I am sure there is an intermediate class of coders and there are much more of them (with different degrees of skill) than of the so called "Java engineers". My experience is that they are able to take over

RE: FW: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Same feeling here. Paulo -Original Message- From: Larry Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 15:35 I think in the long run, the community will be better served by a released 3.3. It may have some different bugs, but I think it will eventually have

BugRat Report #768 has been filed.

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Session passivation (was: NullPointerException from HttpSessionFacade.invalidate())

2001-01-15 Thread Kief Morris
Craig R. McClanahan typed the following on 03:44 PM 1/14/2001 -0800 "Christopher K. St. John" wrote: If your server implements session swapping or distribution (as we are currently developing in the 4.1 repository), it is pretty much guaranteed that different session object instances

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Rob S.
Costin, tried to send this to you privately, but yahoo gave me this when i tried to send to your account: Your message was rejected by mx1.mail.yahoo.com for the following reason: delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - mta227.mail.yahoo.com Ok

Re: NullPointerException from HttpSessionFacade.invalidate()

2001-01-15 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Gokul Singh wrote: Hans Bergsten wrote: > [...] > The spec may not be explicit enough about this, but the session object > you get back from the getSession() object is a container-managed object > that the application is not supposed/allowed to keep long-lived > references > to. It's the same

Tomcat 4 and JSPC

2001-01-15 Thread Alexey Volovoy
Hello all,my name Alexey Volovoy and i'm java/xml developer , recently i start working with JSP. I was trying to use JSP command line compiler in tomcat 4.0. Got the following error 2001-01-15 11:01:49 - ERROR-the file '\snoop.jsp' generated the following genera l exception:

Re: Session passivation (was: NullPointerException fromHttpSessionFacade.invalidate())

2001-01-15 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Kief Morris wrote: Craig R. McClanahan typed the following on 03:44 PM 1/14/2001 -0800 "Christopher K. St. John" wrote: If your server implements session swapping or distribution (as we are currently developing in the 4.1 repository), it is pretty much guaranteed that different

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 9:52 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again - 3.x is the only reason I'm still here, and I want to finish it as soon as possible and be free. In case you missed it, no software is *ever* "done". If you think you can just do another release and then stop all work on

Re: FW: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
GOMEZ Henri wrote: [finally ... a technical issue!] I still didn't understand why TC 4.0 didn't select mod_jk as their connector to WebServer. The code is clean and many bugs are removed. A web server connector is not an easy piece of cake so why reinvent the whell ?-( Tomcat

Re: Session passivation (was: NullPointerException fromHttpSessionFacade.invalidate())

2001-01-15 Thread Kief Morris
Craig R. McClanahan typed the following on 11:42 AM 1/15/2001 -0800 - If it is OK, should the container send activation/passivation events when a session is being serialized (or whatever) for replication purposes? The following comment is in the Javadocs at the top of

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Kief Morris
Jon Stevens typed the following on 11:50 AM 1/15/2001 -0800 Right, but I (and others) are still here and myself (and others) are still in a responsible position for supporting this software. Therefore, I'm most concerned with a developer who makes a huge number of changes and then announces that

BugRat Report #771 has been filed.

2001-01-15 Thread BugRat Mail System
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Re: Session passivation (was: NullPointerException fromHttpSessionFacade.invalidate())

2001-01-15 Thread Kief Morris
I typed the following on 03:10 PM 1/15/2001 -0500 If Manager.releaseSession() method is implemented (I don't really like that method name though), then StandardSession.expire() and invalidate() should call it, and maybe some other places. Doh, actually the locking would probably be implemented

BugRat Report #772 has been filed.

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Web connectrors [was: RE: FW: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info]

2001-01-15 Thread Marc Saegesser
Has anyone shown any interest in developing a Tomcat 4.0 connector for IIS? If not this is actually something that I'd like to work on. Unfortuntely, it is going to be a month or more before I could devote a lot of time to it. -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Kief Morris
Jon Stevens typed the following on 12:36 PM 1/15/2001 -0800 Costin's choice is his choice. If he doesn't want to stick around, it won't be because of me (or at least I don't think I can understand that as an argument...maybe my fault, maybe not), it will be because of the fact that the project

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tomcat 4 SecurityManager implementation

2001-01-15 Thread Anil Vijendran
Hi Glenn, I had a few questions/comments on: Jasper JSP class loading The work directory will be moved inside the web application context /WEB-INF/ directory. This will make security configuration easier and security checks more efficient. The jasper work dir for a context would be

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Scott Sanders
Jon, On the TinderBox/CJAN topic, how much earlier than the meeting should we arrive? Scott Sanders - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Scott Sanders
On the TinderBox/CJAN topic, how much earlier than the meeting should we arrive? I plan to be there around 10ish. - Sam Ruby Since this is very interesting, I will plan on arriving shortly thereafter. Thanks Scott Sanders

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 12:56 PM, "Kief Morris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that's _your_ reason for thinking he should go. I get the impression his own reasons for saying he wants to go has a lot more to do with the pressure he's getting to either conform to the party line or get lost. What you say

Re: jaxp 1.0.1 and 1.1 RPMs

2001-01-15 Thread Jim Driscoll
GOMEZ Henri wrote: Not a problem of room but a legal problem of distributions. Yep, he knows - he's on the JAXP team. Solution : Sun give jaxp 1.0 and 1.1 to Apache Foundation ;-) Duncan is working on the problem. Jim -Original Message- From: Rajiv Mordani

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
And you are being the usual pain too. -Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 21:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info on 1/15/01 12:17 PM, "Kief Morris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
The saga goes on... -Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 22:17 Now, he wants to go against what everyone voted for by continuing on with the development of Tomcat 3.x indefinitely. I'm going to call him on that because I

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
No. What I am saying is that as a group, we choose to go in a certain direction and voted on it (with zero -1's). Let me refer you to this link (again): http://w6.metronet.com/~wjm/tomcat/2000/Aug/index.html#00195 You can also try reading:

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Michael . Smith
Since you've posted the URL again, I went back and read the initial proposal again. Each time I read the proposal, I'm left with the same thoughts. First, let me quote part Craig's message that started the thread and the voting: "To facilitate development of Tomcat 4.0, without compromising

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
-Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 20:50 on 1/15/01 9:52 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again - 3.x is the only reason I'm still here, and I want to finish it as soon as possible and be free. In

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 2:20 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many people feel that 3.3 is the safest bet for the next year. Some of us want to keep real world production sites running with real world constraints. Those of us can postpone using the beautiful new features of Catalina but still

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
You must go to the list and post a clear statement that you will fight until the end to finish what you started - 1st inside tomcat and, if not possible, even outside Tomcat. Please don't attack anyone, don't fight anyone, don't argument about past elections and decisions - Jon and others

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 2:15 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. What I am saying is that as a group, we choose to go in a certain direction and voted on it (with zero -1's). Let me refer you to this link (again): http://w6.metronet.com/~wjm/tomcat/2000/Aug/index.html#00195 You

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 2:32 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to fork tomcat3, nor to abandon it - but for any new features and ideas I'll use a separate workspace, where I can work without fighting. -- Costin Great! I encourage you to do so! -jon -- Honk if you love

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 2:25 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it is much more responsible to push for another release that is easier to maintain by others than just leave it as it is. And that seems to be the case with Costin and 3.3. Can you please give me concrete evidence that

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 2:09 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Based on this and the actual proposed "long term plans" that followed, I'm not sure how this thread addresses when 3.x code development should end. It doesn't. That is why we are having a PMC meeting and why this whole flame war

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
-Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 23:34 on 1/15/01 2:25 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it is much more responsible to push for another release that is easier to maintain by others than just

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
2) When a revolution is ready for prime time, the committer proposes a merge to the -dev list. At that time, the overall community evaluates whether or not the code is ready to become part of, or to potentially replace the, trunk. Suggestions may be made, changes may be required. Once

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
fact, in that same thread, there seemed to be support for ongoing enhancements on the 3.x code line, even to the point of supporting the latest specs: http://w6.metronet.com/~wjm/tomcat/2000/Aug/msg00486.html Correct. However, that was never proposed or agreed upon. Of course, what

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 3:08 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you please give me concrete evidence against? Beacuase you are the one against the flow on that one. Everybody that knows both says 3.3 is better than 3.2. Are they all wrong? Like I said. That isn't what is being

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 3:05 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) When a revolution is ready for prime time, the committer proposes a merge to the -dev list. At that time, the overall community evaluates whether or not the code is ready to become part of, or to potentially replace the,

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 3:09 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, what you don't like is either "not proposed or agreed" or "not justified " ( the -1 votes against you ) or "not agreed by the PMC". And what you want is "what the community want". -- Costin P.S. - ops, it

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Like I said. That isn't what is being questioned. Your favorite answer when a better one is missing. But I thing this is the question. * Isn't Open Source Software community driven? * Isn't 3.3 being wanted because of being better at least for the short term the reason why some members of

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
-Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 00:49 on 1/15/01 3:05 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it was about moving catalina in a separate CVS and implementing servlet 2.3 and calling it tomcat 4.0.

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 4:13 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your favorite answer when a better one is missing. No. I don't have time to answer things that clearly aren't relevant. But I thing this is the question. * Isn't Open Source Software community driven? Depends on how you define

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
-Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 01:12 on 1/15/01 4:13 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Or are we supposed to only scratch the itches you approve? That is a fucked up question. I'm not being a

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
-Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 00:57 ...as well as a split project's resources. Again, where does it stop? Maybe if you had stated that you wanted to eventually switch to working on Tomcat 4.x, I would have had some

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 4:24 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Several members want to go on with 3.3 and the only one I see making a big fuss of stopping it its you. I don't know what the *fuck* you are talking about. -jon -- From: Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 4:36 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Apache is the boss of Costin and pays him to do work on Tomcat 4 but he works on 3.3 instead? How voluntary is voluntary work here? (Tell me please, before I contribute with something and become Jon's slave!) Paulo, try

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Talk about rudeness! =:o) I have seen that posting with the +1 votes before. Does it erase what followed? Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 01:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Hans Bergsten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Are you saying that a proposal that got 6 commiter votes ( which happen to be the full PMC, except Sam, plus Remy ) are representing the whole project ? I'm preparing for the meeting tomorrow, so I'm interested in getting as much input as possible. I've gone

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Paulo, try harder. I'm sure you will understand what I'm trying to say instead of constantly trying to turn things around into something they are not. -jon I am afraid that's more like your technique. You even omitted this bit from your posting where you make some pressure on how Costin

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
This makes a lot of sense to me. Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hans Bergsten Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 01:53 The motivation for two separate repositories for TC 3.x and 4.x in the proposal says (among

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Remy Maucherat
So, Apache is the boss of Costin and pays him to do work on Tomcat 4 but he works on 3.3 instead? Nearly all the open-source projects out there have a "boss" who gets to decide whether or not they like your stuff. If you fail to convince them that your stuff is the One and Only Good Way to do

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Nearly all the open-source projects out there have a "boss" who gets to decide whether or not they like your stuff. Perfect, but as Hans mentioned, there was never a decision to stop 3.3. And I have been seing much more rants and FUD from Jon, "which doesn't help anyone". And my problem is

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 5:13 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes a lot of sense to me. Have fun, Paulo Finally someone gets through to you. I also agree with Hans 100%. -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 4:59 PM, "Remy Maucherat" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, Apache is the boss of Costin and pays him to do work on Tomcat 4 but he works on 3.3 instead? Nearly all the open-source projects out there have a "boss" who gets to decide whether or not they like your stuff. If you fail

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 5:22 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perfect, but as Hans mentioned, there was never a decision to stop 3.3. Exactly why this meeting is happening and my original [MY_OPINION] thread started. And I have been seing much more rants and FUD from Jon, "which doesn't help

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info - What happens if a 3.3 proposal gets a -1

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
What happens if a 3.3 proposal gets a -1? From the whole content of your posting I understand that the 3.3 existence is legal. What happens if it is proposed again and gets -1. What is the difference from voting to stop it? (What am I understanding wrong?) Have fun, Paulo -Original

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
The one person having problems is you. And it is not only with me that you are having them anyway. Paulo -Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 02:11 on 1/15/01 5:13 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
As a consequence, I feel that this decision means that Tomcat 3.x can *not* implement Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2, since it would be very confusing for both developers and users with two code bases supporting the same API levels within the same project. While I disagree with that, I already did what

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 5:35 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one person having problems is you. And it is not only with me that you are having them anyway. Paulo What problems do I have again? Lets see, I can think of a few: I don't want to maintain code/resources for which the lead

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 5:38 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You opinion is EVERYWHERE! What is wrong with that? I'm an active developer on this project. Suddenly I'm not allowed to have an opinion on things? Exactly what FUD have I spread? Was it only rants then? Was *what* only rants?

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
Nearly all the open-source projects out there have a "boss" who gets to decide whether or not they like your stuff. If you fail to convince them that your stuff is the One and Only Good Way to do things Well, so far I believed that in apache projects the developers who actively work on

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paul Frieden
Rather than add fuel to the fire, I would like to summarize what I need out of a servlet engine. Hopefully this will help the members of the PMC make the correct decisions based off of what users need. High Priority: * Stability We've been running Tomcat 3.1 without any problems for

Re: BugRat Report #771 has been filed.

2001-01-15 Thread Hans Bergsten
BugRat Mail System wrote: Bug report #771 has just been filed. You can view the report at the following URL: http://znutar.cortexity.com/BugRatViewer/ShowReport/771 REPORT #771 Details. Project: Tomcat Category: Bug Report SubCategory: New Bug Report Class: swbug State:

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 5:41 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those are the "Jon's rules" I was talking about before. Paulo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 02:30 My mistake - it is of course a "project

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
What problems do I have again? Lets see, I can think of a few: I don't want to maintain code/resources for which the lead developer has disappeared. The lead developer for Tomcat has disappeared 1 year ago ( from any active development or support in tomcat, he's still around doing other

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Hans Bergsten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a consequence, I feel that this decision means that Tomcat 3.x can *not* implement Servlet 2.3/JSP 1.2, since it would be very confusing for both developers and users with two code bases supporting the same API levels within the same project. While I

Breath again ???

2001-01-15 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, I noticed that the list is starting to devolve a little so perhaps the opinion of a complete outsider with no bias (that I am aware of) could help ;) From what I understand the main objections of a 3.2 are 1. You don't want to have 2 different containers implementing 2.3 under Apache 2. You

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info - What happens if a 3.3 proposal gets a -1

2001-01-15 Thread Hans Bergsten
Paulo Gaspar wrote: What happens if a 3.3 proposal gets a -1? Unless another committer can convince whoever votes -1 to change his vote, it means that 3.3 will not happen. Instead we will continue to maintain the 3.x code base based on 3.2.1. That's how decision making is defined for this

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
It is so funny, we keep going back and forth over stuff that is clearly Costin's FUD. He is attacking me directly with FUD and you are believing it. No it is not. The expression "Jon's rules" just has to do with the way you push things down other people's throats. And when things don't go the

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
-Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 02:30 on 1/15/01 5:38 PM, "Paulo Gaspar" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You opinion is EVERYWHERE! What is wrong with that? I'm an active developer on this project. Suddenly I'm not

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Exactly the same priorities here. Paulo Gaspar -Original Message- From: Paul Frieden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 02:38 Rather than add fuel to the fire, I would like to summarize what I need out of a servlet engine. Hopefully this will help the

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Jon, It is the 2nd time I see you making this kind of remark and it stinks. This kind of argumentation is quite dirty, even for you. Paulo Gaspar -Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 03:13 on 1/15/01 5:58 PM, "[EMAIL

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info - What happens if a 3.3 proposal gets a -1

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Thank you very much Hans. Paulo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hans Bergsten Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 03:05 Paulo Gaspar wrote: What happens if a 3.3 proposal gets a -1? [...very clear clarification...]

RE: Breath again ???

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Agreed! Paulo -Original Message- From: Peter Donald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 02:55 Hi, I noticed that the list is starting to devolve a little so perhaps the opinion of a complete outsider with no bias (that I am aware of) could help ;)

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Since you usually agree with Hans and everybody else does too, maybe he is just a much better communicator than you and maybe he is doing a much better job. So, why don't you just follow the very good advise? Have fun, Paulo -Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL

BugRat Report #773 has been filed.

2001-01-15 Thread BugRat Mail System
Bug report #773 has just been filed. You can view the report at the following URL: http://znutar.cortexity.com/BugRatViewer/ShowReport/773 REPORT #773 Details. Project: Catalina Category: Bug Report SubCategory: New Bug Report Class: swbug State: received Priority: high Severity: serious

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Rob S.
Paulo, cut the shit. I'm 23 and I have the requisite maturity to not behave like this. If you want to talk, talk, but enough attacking/provoking Jon. - r - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

BugRat Report #775 has been filed.

2001-01-15 Thread BugRat Mail System
Bug report #775 has just been filed. You can view the report at the following URL: http://znutar.cortexity.com/BugRatViewer/ShowReport/775 REPORT #775 Details. Project: Catalina Category: Bug Report SubCategory: New Bug Report Class: swbug State: received Priority: high Severity: serious

RE: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
Yes, poor Jon!!! I was the one that started and all hum? Have fun, Paulo P.S.: It was just an interesting one day experiment: trying to be as insisting as him and never quit (as he usualy doesn't). I can tell you I will not repeat it very often - takes too much of my time. -Original

[Fwd: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info]

2001-01-15 Thread Anil Vijendran
Jon Stevens wrote: on 1/15/01 5:58 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lead developer for Tomcat has disappeared 1 year ago ( from any active development or support in tomcat, he's still around doing other projects ). That's BTW the best prove of a project viability.

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
Yes, but you seem to create a lot of confusion about how and where you will implement support for the new APIs eventually. That, I believe, is one of the main reasons we have the current situation. You said back in November that you where going to start a revolution for the 2.3 stuff, as

Re: [Fwd: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info]

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 7:18 PM, "Anil Vijendran" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the f*ck is it, really?! The two points I have brought up are: #1. that Costin didn't make a vote in the ASF because his boss @ Sun didn't let him. #2. that his employer also tried to pull him off the project by giving him

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Rajiv Mordani
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jon Stevens wrote: on 1/15/01 3:09 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, what you don't like is either "not proposed or agreed" or "not justified " ( the -1 votes against you ) or "not agreed by the PMC". And what you want is "what the

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 7:39 PM, "Rajiv Mordani" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jon Stevens wrote: on 1/15/01 3:09 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, what you don't like is either "not proposed or agreed" or "not justified " ( the -1 votes against you ) or "not

Re: [Fwd: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info]

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
The two points I have brought up are: #1. that Costin didn't make a vote in the ASF because his boss @ Sun didn't let him. It's actually Craig that complained to my boss. The rules were that we are free to work on anything we want in our free time, and that we can freely express our

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
The history is what is important here. The fact of the matter is that if Sun had not donated Tomcat 3.x, we would already be using a much more complete Catalina as Craig had already started work on it and was pulled off from Well, check the jserv archives and let us know how many people

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 8:16 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The history is what is important here. The fact of the matter is that if Sun had not donated Tomcat 3.x, we would already be using a much more complete Catalina as Craig had already started work on it and was pulled off from

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 8:21 PM, "Jon Stevens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still agree with that. In fact, the feature requests that have come through today by the users even stated that they would only be using it by connecting to Tomcat. s/Tomcat/Apache/ sorry...long day of typing... -jon -- Honk if

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread Hans Bergsten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but you seem to create a lot of confusion about how and where you will implement support for the new APIs eventually. That, I believe, is one of the main reasons we have the current situation. You said back in November that you where going to start a

Creative Writing

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
This pretty much summarizes today... LOL! -jon -- This assignment was actually turned in by two English students: Rebecca Gary (last names deleted). English 44A SMU, Creative Writing Prof. Miller "In-class Assignment for Wednesday". "Today we will experiment with a new form called

[Fwd: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info]

2001-01-15 Thread Jon Stevens
on 1/15/01 8:10 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you argue about how Valve's single chain of command ( where authentication, generation, etc are done in a single invoke() ) can be better than what all other server are doing ( and Apache 2.0 moves to a different level with

Re: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info

2001-01-15 Thread cmanolache
About why - it's simple, because 2.3 is the next version and to have a future we must keep up to date. "We" here means you and those who follow you to sourceforge (or wherever), I assume? We means people who use tomcat 3.x or contribute to 3.x - it's not an EOL product. I'm not

Compiling mod_jserv.so on AIX for IBM HTTP Server

2001-01-15 Thread Barbara Nelson
Has anyone succeeded in building mod_jserv.so for AIX for the IBM HTTP Server (not Apache). I've figured out how to build the module for Apache, but not for the IBM HTTP Server. There is a -DAFPA directive, and there is some code in mod_jserv.c that seems to distinguish between the IBM HTTP

RE: [Fwd: Jakarta PMC Meeting Agenda / Info]

2001-01-15 Thread Paulo Gaspar
The reasons why there are advantages for (at least) the next year or so on having both 3.3 and 4.x were already stated so often today... ...and also how 3.3 commiters are scratching an itch and will not focus on 4.x while the itch is there... How is your short term memory doing? What is your

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