Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-17 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;577147 Wrote: > I haven't tried out the modded audiocom XDAC without the XPSU but am > tempted to experiment now. I have always found it as bit odd that it > only steps down 240VAC to 24 VAC, as I would have assumed that the > point of an external PSU would be to keep to AC/DC conversion

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-17 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;577047 Wrote: > Agree with all of that. Having owned a Linn CD12 (gulp) I feel > reasonably well placed to conclude that the Touch can outperform ANY > cd-spinner as a pure transport. > And that's without spending thousands on machines to grind the edge of > the discs, zap them with ul

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-17 Thread soundcheck
JohnSwenson;577067 Wrote: > The original question was about a TVC - a Transformer Volume Control. > Its a transformer with multiple taps and a switch used to select the > appropriate tap. Some people like to use these as volume controls. They > do exist and quite a few people buy them. > > My i

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-16 Thread JohnSwenson
Waldo Pepper;576817 Wrote: > > > I have never seen a modern amp with signal transformers in their audio > path. The original question was about a TVC - a Transformer Volume Control. Its a transformer with multiple taps and a switch used to select the appropriate tap. Some people like to use th

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-16 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;577044 Wrote: > Very kind of you, thanks, but I will pass for now. I have just got my > Touch back after audioupgrades fitted the second clock (and connected > the first clock which they had actually not connected- the 44.1/88.2 > was still coming from the stock oscillator.) I am not touc

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-16 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;576971 Wrote: > I don't know about veils lifting... but it does sound good. Must do an > AudioDiff test @ the weekend. Can't trust the olde ears/brain. An A/B > shows a definite difference at the top end of vocals and cymbals - > seems to take away a slight "tizziness". Of course it mi

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-16 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;576814 Wrote: > Good idea. Mind you, an xpsu tweak is all I need. Just when I thought my > audiophilia nervosa was easing. If you so much as think about veils > lifting... I don't know about veils lifting... but it does sound good. Must do an AudioDiff test @ the weekend. Can't trust the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-15 Thread Phil Leigh
Waldo Pepper;576818 Wrote: > Stereo means the buffer amps and DACs run on seperate turns of the > transformer. Nice on paper but as the whole circuits draw such little > power - four simple linear regs would do the same off a single turn. > Nice marketing! > > Power amps however do need separate

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-15 Thread Waldo Pepper
Phil Leigh;576728 Wrote: > The PSU transformer for my DAC+Buffer amp has 4 seperate secondary > windings... > > I've just snubbed two of them (330ohm+0.02uF polyprops) > Will try comparative listening later... Stereo means the buffer amps and DACs run on seperate turns of the transformer. Nice

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-15 Thread Waldo Pepper
JohnSwenson;576105 Wrote: > > > Do NOT try this for signal carrying transformers. They have resonances > too, but dealing with them in such a way as to not muck up the audio > signal is not trivial. Most good audio designers will have already > dealt with the resonances in an audio transformer,

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-15 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;576728 Wrote: > The PSU transformer for my DAC+Buffer amp has 4 seperate secondary > windings... > > I've just snubbed two of them (330ohm+0.02uF polyprops) > Will try comparative listening later... Good idea. Mind you, an xpsu tweak is all I need. Just when I thought my audiophilia

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-15 Thread Phil Leigh
The PSU transformer for my DAC has 4 seperate secondary windings... I've just snubbed two of them (330ohm+0.02uF polyprops) Will try comparative listening later... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-13 Thread Kevin Haskins
Phil Leigh;576253 Wrote: > Linn gear that has ultra-high quality SMPS such as pre-amps, CD players, > Tuners etc are indeed unchanged to my ears by mains leads (that I have > tried). For example, Nordost Valhalla made no difference over the stock > mains lead. > > However, Power amps do seem to

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-13 Thread Phil Leigh
Waldo Pepper;576189 Wrote: > Just a few observations... > > If you have decent kit (Linn, Naim etc) then the power cord will make > no difference whatsoever as the PSU will have a decent design to reject > mains born noise. Linear voltage regulators internal to the amp can > remove noise on the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-13 Thread Waldo Pepper
Just a few observations... If you have decent kit (Linn, Naim etc) then the power cord will make no difference whatsoever as the PSU will have a decent design to reject mains born noise. Linear voltage regulators internal to the amp can remove noise on the input. A good switching power supply wo

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-13 Thread adamdea
JohnSwenson;576105 Wrote: > Damping the transformer takes a resistor and a capacitor in series, > connected across the secondary of the transformer. Theoretically you > should measure the transformer and compute the right value for that > particular transformer. I did that for every transformer i

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-12 Thread JohnSwenson
adamdea;575632 Wrote: > Absolutely > 1 As a matter of interest how easy is it to damp the resonances in a > transformer? It seems from what you say to be something we should all > consider doing if possible. Would this apply to a TVC? I use a large c > core tvc as my pre amp and am very intrigued

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-11 Thread Flashgordon400
Well, me asking for this not to turn into an arguement about power cords has well and truly gone out the window. But, I must say, the opinions I have just read are the best I have ever seen on the discussion of power cords. Excellent. -- Flashgordon400 --

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-11 Thread JohnSwenson
wildgoose;575749 Wrote: > Pardon my ignorance. Are we saying with a low-end power-cord, the Touch > can potentially output the wrong 0s and 1s? Or are we talking about > amplifiers/receivers? > > Are there checksums in the SPDIF signal? What happens IF some of the 1s > and 0s do get flipped? >

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-10 Thread wildgoose
Pardon my ignorance. Are we saying with a low-end power-cord, the Touch can potentially output the wrong 0s and 1s? Or are we talking about amplifiers/receivers? Are there checksums in the SPDIF signal? What happens IF some of the 1s and 0s do get flipped? For video, since the signal is compress

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-10 Thread adamdea
JohnSwenson;575586 Wrote: > My take is that I HAVE been able to hear differences in power cords, and > I have been able to measure something which seems to have a decent > correlation to those subjective observations (transformer ringing). > What I have NOT been able to do is find any decent corr

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-09 Thread JohnSwenson
My take is that I HAVE been able to hear differences in power cords, and I have been able to measure something which seems to have a decent correlation to those subjective observations (transformer ringing). What I have NOT been able to do is find any decent correlation with the price of said cord

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-09 Thread Goodsounds
adamdea;575513 Wrote: > Very intriguing. I was under the impression that the measurement school > more often argue that their measurements demonstrate the absence of a > genuine difference resulting from subjectivist endorsed tweaks. Or to > put it another way, it is more often subjectivists who

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-09 Thread adamdea
Goodsounds;575499 Wrote: > You've fallen into the argument abyss of the engineering/analytical > types vs the subjectivists. There's no common ground for discussion, > it's pointless. > > People who calculate and analyze often cannot accept that a measurement > or theoretical difference doesn't

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-09 Thread Goodsounds
You've fallen into the argument abyss of the engineering/analytical types vs the subjectivists. There's no common ground for discussion, it's pointless. People who calculate and analyze often cannot accept that a measurement or theoretical difference doesn't translate into a perception difference

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-09 Thread JohnSwenson
Take a look at this article, this is what got me looking at this subject in detail: http://www.hagtech.com/pdf/snubber.pdf Let me get this straight, you do not believe that transformers have resonances? Ok so lets go over a few simple questions. What is a transformer? Its two coils of wire. What

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-08 Thread Phil Leigh
KingKong;575267 Wrote: > Only if you want to look like a complete moron. I find it wholly ironic > that your avatar claims "No BS" and yet you fell for a load of it. > > Virtually everything you've quoted is complete nonsense and has no > basis in reality. If JohnSwenson has done so many measure

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-08 Thread konut
Hi King, and welcome to the forum! Thank you for a most enlightening first post! Can I quote you on other audio fora? -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-07 Thread konut
JohnSwenson;574856 Wrote: > While I agree that some of these prices are ridiculous, this argument is > not a very good one. This is assuming that the only thing a power cord > can affect is what is coming in from the wall into the device. > Frequently this is not the case. > > I have done a lot

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-07 Thread Kal Rubinson
mlsstl;574968 Wrote: > A lot of the skepticism is created by those who declare "huge" > differences with these types of changes. I realize some get > enthusiastic about such things, but for me, a "huge" change in sound > quality is moving from a table radio or a boom box to a good system. Agreed.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-07 Thread mlsstl
A lot of the skepticism is created by those who declare "huge" differences with these types of changes. I realize some get enthusiastic about such things, but for me, a "huge" change in sound quality is moving from a table radio or a boom box to a good system. With over 40 years in this hobby (a

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-07 Thread adamdea
I know I am treading on thin ice here, but I can't resist mentioning that I believe there have been (proper published peer reviewed) studies on acupuncture which showed that it might make a difference to the perception of pain. This was seized on by practitioners as proof of the efficacy of the re

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-07 Thread Dura
Great explanation John, iti s nice to read from someone who knows electronics and can measure the difference powercables can make in certain circumstances. In some cases I can hear the difference cables make in systems and the typical blunt solderhead's response that it is all just imagination bec

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread JohnSwenson
andynormancx;574834 Wrote: > How exactly do you think a magically bit of mains wire can improve the > sound of your system ? What about all the non magic wire in your walls > and all the way back to the power generating stations ? While I agree that some of these prices are ridiculous, this argu

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread iPhone
andynormancx;574834 Wrote: > How exactly do you think a magically bit of mains wire can improve the > sound of your system ? What about all the non magic wire in your walls > and all the way back to the power generating stations ? +1 Exactly So you didn't read their printed material or check th

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread Phil Leigh
andynormancx;574834 Wrote: > How exactly do you think a magically bit of mains wire can improve the > sound of your system ? What about all the non magic wire in your walls > and all the way back to the power generating stations ? It's magic - just accept it :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread andynormancx
How exactly do you think a magically bit of mains wire can improve the sound of your system ? What about all the non magic wire in your walls and all the way back to the power generating stations ? -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF T

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread Flashgordon400
the multiway was purchased to plug my Arcam AV8/P7/DV29 and Blue-ray into but I havent installed it yet at £100 s/h. The Isotek was taken from my existing CD player and was s/h at £80. As I said, it wasnt a praticle solution but an experiment with items to hand. No, it wouldnt be worth paying for

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread andynormancx
A £300 power lead and a £300 multi way extension block (that doesn't come with a lead), there really are some geniuses out there aren't there ;) -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread Flashgordon400
I did do some research on using batteries and the Sigma 11 is reconed to be quieter than some batteries. Batteries can supposedly, from chemical reaction, give noise from that process. Batteries didnt seem like a good long term practical idea. -- Flashgordon400 -

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread Flashgordon400
To conclude the previous comments about A power cord having an effect on the Touch I had purchased an Isotek Multiway and have an Isotek Optimum pluged into my CD player, I tried the Touch power supply pluged into both on there own. Yes it was a cleaner sound. Yes I know it's not realistic having

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-20 Thread jfeldt
Man, wish I could remember Robb. I got mine from the local Radio Shack after seeing specs online. Google something like squeezebox power connector size mm . I couldn't find anything too conclusive looking through those search results quickly though. I think it was around $2 for a pack of two,

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-20 Thread m1abrams
Have you checked Mouser or Digikey or Farnell? -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78938 ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-20 Thread Robb_G
Sorry that this may be the wrong forum, but this thread is getting at my question. I have found that a linear power supply does provide a noticeable sound improvement on my SB Duet Receiver. Unfortunately, I cannot find the correct size connector anywhere. I am not sure what size connector plug

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-19 Thread jfeldt
Hi Flash, Power cords on transports can make huge changes on the sound, and I have found on my SB3 that various power supplies change the sound even when using the digital out into a Genesis digital lens performing buffering and re-clocking. In my case, since I am buffering the digital out, I ima

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-18 Thread [IDC]Dragon
Also have to resist some urge... For no compromise, try battery supply. I don't know if there is something established to get 5V, either a linear regulator, or 4*1.2V NiMH cells will get you close. Only loosely related praise: I've measured the digital out of the SBT, and can say it's the best I

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-18 Thread Flashgordon400
LOL, sounds like you've been there before. Thanks for your advice. The only reason I asked is because the noise floor when the music is very quiet seems to be zero as is. I will give it a try. See if I can squeeze the last little bit of quality out of what to me is an amazing device already. -

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-18 Thread m1abrams
must resist urge To answer your question yes assume it has the same power requirements as a CD Player. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forum

[SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-18 Thread Flashgordon400
As a big believer and user of high quality power cords for the rest of my HiFi / AV system, my question is, would a descent power corded socket make any difference to a device that produces Zero's and One's as a signal. This is not an invite for a debate about power cords. Done that and got shot d