Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
gellie wrote: > BTW I thought the SBT runs only on 2.4ghz? If not, how do I point it to > my 5ghz system? My Orbo mesh automatically attaches everything to 5ghz > if capable. Yet I only see the SBT on my 2.4ghz ? Yeah - sorry - my typo - I meant to say would NOT recommend - I had forgotten it doesn't have 5GHz capability - but regardless as 5GHz is less stable (at distance) than 2.4GHz I wouldn't put it on that even if capable. Anyway the Wi-Fi discussion is an 'aside' - fundamentally you just need to eliminate it from your issue causing your DAC connection reboot issues... *Hi-Fi 1*: QNAP HS-453DX NAS+QLMS/Allo USBridge Signature+Shanti LPS/Cirrus ESS Sabre 32-bit Reference DAC (Oppo 105D)/Yamaha Aventage CX-A5000/Focal SM9s. *Hi-Fi 2*: Sqbox Touch+Shanti LPS/Focal XS Books. *Hi-Fi 3*: PC+Squeezelite-X+Material Skin/Focal XS Books. *Hi-Fi Misc*: iPeng (iPad/iPhones)/Plantronics BB Pro 2 LE Headphones. *Accessories*: Tchernov -Classic- & Van den Hul ICs; Thor PS10 Power Station; Blue Jeans & Ruleconnect Cables (Power, HDMI, USB & Coaxial); Aurios & Vibrapods. Mycenius's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
slartibartfast wrote: > The SBT doesn't connect to a 5GHz WLAN. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk Good spot - typo I meant to say 'would not' *Hi-Fi 1*: QNAP HS-453DX NAS+QLMS/Allo USBridge Signature+Shanti LPS/Cirrus ESS Sabre 32-bit Reference DAC (Oppo 105D)/Yamaha Aventage CX-A5000/Focal SM9s. *Hi-Fi 2*: Sqbox Touch+Shanti LPS/Focal XS Books. *Hi-Fi 3*: PC+Squeezelite-X+Material Skin/Focal XS Books. *Hi-Fi Misc*: iPeng (iPad/iPhones)/Plantronics BB Pro 2 LE Headphones. *Accessories*: Tchernov -Classic- & Van den Hul ICs; Thor PS10 Power Station; Blue Jeans & Ruleconnect Cables (Power, HDMI, USB & Coaxial); Aurios & Vibrapods. Mycenius's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
Mycenius wrote: > Just further FWIW to clarify I have about 20 devices in my home on the > network (2-storey house) and I only have 5-6 on my Wi-Fi WLAN; being my > SBT in my secondary set-up (in master bedroom upstairs) and my fiancée's > and my mobile devices (3 iPhones & 2 iPad Minis between us - one of the > latter is my old model iPad Mini 2 used solely as a controller for my > main LMS system in the downstairs lounge). I have made sure everything > else possible is cabled to reduce load on the WLAN I run. > > At my fiancée's house in another city (where her 2 sons currently live) > they are reasonably active online gamers (PS3/4 / XBox) - and as soon as > we turn up for a visit with our 4 iPhones/iPads on their 2.4GHz WLAN > their gaming starts lagging and suffering as they also have 4-7 other > devices on the same WLAN as well (theirs & girlfriend's phones/laptops, > the TV, Apple TV, etc). We rectified this by upgrading to a reasonably > high-end gaming router and running 2 WLANs - a dedicated 5GHz one just > for their 2 game consoles, everything else on the 2.4GHz WLAN. While I > would recommend 5GHz for the SBT, having so many devices on one WLAN > isn't ideal IMO.The SBT doesn't connect to a 5GHz WLAN. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
Mycenius wrote: > Just further FWIW to clarify I have about 20 devices in my home on the > network (2-storey house) and I only have 5-6 on my Wi-Fi WLAN; being my > SBT in my secondary set-up (in master bedroom upstairs) and my fiancée's > and my mobile devices (3 iPhones & 2 iPad Minis between us - one of the > latter is my old model iPad Mini 2 used solely as a controller for my > main LMS system in the downstairs lounge). I have made sure everything > else possible is cabled to reduce load on the WLAN I run. > > At my fiancée's house in another city (where her 2 sons currently live) > they are reasonably active online gamers (PS3/4 / XBox) - and as soon as > we turn up for a visit with our 4 iPhones/iPads on their 2.4GHz WLAN > their gaming starts lagging and suffering as they also have 4-7 other > devices on the same WLAN as well (theirs & girlfriend's phones/laptops, > the TV, Apple TV, etc). We rectified this by upgrading to a reasonably > high-end gaming router and running 2 WLANs - a dedicated 5GHz one just > for their 2 game consoles, everything else on the 2.4GHz WLAN. While I > would recommend 5GHz for the SBT, having so many devices on one WLAN > isn't ideal IMO. Thanks again. a lot of my devices really aren't taking up too much band with. ie Ecobee thermostats , apple watches, etc. BTW I thought the SBT runs only on 2.4ghz? If not, how do I point it to my 5ghz system? My Orbo mesh automatically attaches everything to 5ghz if capable. Yet I only see the SBT on my 2.4ghz ? gellie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
gellie wrote: > I have a relatively new Fios router and a Orbi Mesh system with 3 > satellites. I must have at least 25 items connected with out any > problems Mycenius wrote: > ...if you have 25 devices in your home all connected to the same single > WLAN then IMHO you will have ongoing bandwidth issues regardless... > That's an insane number of devices for a single consumer WLAN with no > cabled infrastructure behind it... Just further FWIW to clarify I have about 20 devices in my home on the network (2-storey house) and I only have 5-6 on my Wi-Fi WLAN; being my SBT in my secondary set-up (in master bedroom upstairs) and my fiancée's and my mobile devices (3 iPhones & 2 iPad Minis between us - one of the latter is my old model iPad Mini 2 used solely as a controller for my main LMS system in the downstairs lounge). I have made sure everything else possible is cabled to reduce load on the WLAN I run. At my fiancée's house in another city (where her 2 sons currently live) they are reasonably active online gamers (PS3/4 / XBox) - and as soon as we turn up for a visit with our 4 iPhones/iPads on their 2.4GHz WLAN their gaming starts lagging and suffering as they also have 4-7 other devices on the same WLAN as well (theirs & girlfriend's phones/laptops, the TV, Apple TV, etc). We rectified this by upgrading to a reasonably high-end gaming router and running 2 WLANs - a dedicated 5GHz one just for their 2 game consoles, everything else on the 2.4GHz WLAN. While I would recommend 5GHz for the SBT, having so many devices on one WLAN isn't ideal IMO. *Hi-Fi 1*: QNAP HS-453DX NAS+QLMS/Allo USBridge Signature+Shanti LPS/Cirrus ESS Sabre 32-bit Reference DAC (Oppo 105D)/Yamaha Aventage CX-A5000/Focal SM9s. *Hi-Fi 2*: Sqbox Touch+Shanti LPS/Focal XS Books. *Hi-Fi 3*: PC+Squeezelite-X+Material Skin/Focal XS Books. *Hi-Fi Misc*: iPeng (iPad/iPhones)/Plantronics BB Pro 2 LE Headphones. *Accessories*: Tchernov -Classic- & Van den Hul ICs; Thor PS10 Power Station; Blue Jeans & Ruleconnect Cables (Power, HDMI, USB & Coaxial); Aurios & Vibrapods. Mycenius's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
gellie wrote: > Thanks. I dont know if its possible to run 2 WLAN's Your router may not support it. If you have dedicated WAPs they should (i.e. you don't use a consumer 'all-in-one' router). gellie wrote: > I would have to get someone to run a cable from my router(basement) to > SBT (1st floor) I'm talking about temporarily - if its too far take your SBT and DAC and such to the router and temporarily set them up there and test if you still have the same issue over Ethernet (cabled) connection - make sure you turn Wi-Fi off on the SBT when you do. Youc an then either (a) eliminate Wi-FI as an issue (if its still happens regardless) or (b) confirm the WI-Fi is the issue (the issue disappears). gellie wrote: > Do you think I might get better results if I was able to connect the SBT > to the Orbi satellite via ethernet? Or since the satellite is wireless > it won't matter much? I doubt it makes any difference - if you have 25 devices in your home all connected to the same single WLAN then IMHO you will have ongoing bandwidth issues regardless... That's an insane number of devices for a single consumer WLAN with no cabled infrastructure behind it... *Hi-Fi 1*: QNAP HS-453DX NAS+QLMS/Allo USBridge Signature+Shanti LPS/Cirrus ESS Sabre 32-bit Reference DAC (Oppo 105D)/Yamaha Aventage CX-A5000/Focal SM9s. *Hi-Fi 2*: Sqbox Touch+Shanti LPS/Focal XS Books. *Hi-Fi 3*: PC+Squeezelite-X+Material Skin/Focal XS Books. *Hi-Fi Misc*: iPeng (iPad/iPhones)/Plantronics BB Pro 2 LE Headphones. *Accessories*: Tchernov -Classic- & Van den Hul ICs; Thor PS10 Power Station; Blue Jeans & Ruleconnect Cables (Power, HDMI, USB & Coaxial); Aurios & Vibrapods. Mycenius's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
Mycenius wrote: > FWIW I'd be a bit concerned if you have that many active devices on the > single Wi-Fi - mesh or no mesh - basically if even ¼ are all doing stuff > at the same time there will not be much bandwidth per device... Again > FWIW if it was me I'd be running 2 WLANs (2.4GHz) at opposite ends of > the channel ranges (e.g. something like 3, and 9 or 11), and use one for > your mesh for all your other devices and have one dedicated to only your > SBT and nothing else. (Note: If your router and WAPs support up to > Channel 13, you can use 11, if not it's about 9 - if you are in the USA > it will only be up to 11 I think. You should ideally only use something > like 3, 6 or 9 IIRC, due to overlap - if you have lots of neighbours > around any of these then avoid and use the other one(s) if possible). > > You probably need to just get a long Ethernet cable and run it to the > SBT (or move everything to where you router is) and just try that for a > bit - to eliminate the WI-Fi entirely from the equation. Thanks. I dont know if its possible to run 2 WLAN's I would have to get someone to run a cable from my router(basement) to SBT (1st floor) Do you think I might get better results if I was able to connect the SBT to the Orbi satellite via ethernet? Or since the satellite is wireless it won't matter much? gellie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
gellie wrote: > Yea. Im starting to really think my problem is in the wireless on the > SBT. I have a relatively new Fios router and a Orbi Mesh system with 3 > satellites. I must have at least 25 items connected with out any > problems FWIW I'd be a bit concerned if you have that many active devices on the single Wi-Fi - mesh or no mesh - basically if even ¼ are all doing stuff at the same time there will not be much bandwidth per device... Again FWIW if it was me I'd be running 2 WLANs (2.4GHz) at opposite ends of the channel ranges (e.g. something like 3, and 9 or 11), and use one for your mesh for all your other devices and have one dedicated to only your SBT and nothing else. (Note: If your router and WAPs support up to Channel 13, you can use 11, if not it's about 9 - if you are in the USA it will only be up to 11 I think. You should ideally only use something like 3, 6 or 9 IIRC, due to overlap - if you have lots of neighbours around any of these then avoid and use the other one(s) if possible). You probably need to just get a long Ethernet cable and run it to the SBT (or move everything to where you router is) and just try that for a bit - to eliminate the WI-Fi entirely from the equation. *Hi-Fi 1*: QNAP HS-453DX NAS+QLMS/Allo USBridge Signature+Shanti LPS/Cirrus ESS Sabre 32-bit Reference DAC (Oppo 105D)/Yamaha Aventage CX-A5000/Focal SM9s. *Hi-Fi 2*: Sqbox Touch+Shanti LPS/Focal XS Books. *Hi-Fi 3*: PC+Squeezelite-X+Material Skin/Focal XS Books. *Hi-Fi Misc*: iPeng (iPad/iPhones)/Plantronics BB Pro 2 LE Headphones. *Accessories*: Tchernov -Classic- & Van den Hul ICs; Thor PS10 Power Station; Blue Jeans & Ruleconnect Cables (Power, HDMI, USB & Coaxial); Aurios & Vibrapods. Mycenius's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
Man in a van wrote: > Larry > > some random thoughts > > > > > > Do you know the renewal interval for the dhcp IP Address lease in the > router? Normal is 24 hours I think. > > If the SBT is switched off longer than the renewal interval then the > router will treat it as new, although it may give it the same address. > > Can you reserve the IP Address of the Touch in the router > > Can you power the SBT from another source. > > Can you try a wireless bridge ? It is possible to do this with an old > router if you have one (you'll have to google how to) > > ronnie > > > > If this only for the touch, can you set it for b and g only ? (I think > these are the correct one for the touch) 29184 Unfortunately not very well versed in router settings I can't seem to see a dhcp adress refresh rate. The Orbi that is connected to my Fios router is in "bridge mode" I dont see a option for b/g on the 2.4ghz mode. Thx Larry +---+ |Filename: Screen Shot 2020-01-27 at 12.58.43 PM.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29184| +---+ gellie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
Larry some random thoughts Do you know the renewal interval for the dhcp IP Address lease in the router? Normal is 24 hours I think. If the SBT is switched off longer than the renewal interval then the router will treat it as new, although it may give it the same address. Can you reserve the IP Address of the Touch in the router Can you power the SBT from another source. Can you try a wireless bridge ? It is possible to do this with an old router if you have one (you'll have to google how to) ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
Man in a van wrote: > Simply, wireless or ethernet into the SBTouch ? > > The thing is, 192/24 over wireless should not really be a problem, maybe > relocating the Router (higher is often advised on the internet) or > running a long Ethernet cable (I use a flat, 30 metre one from router to > switch) > > 24/192 over wireless is pushing it. I can't get that to run reliably here, and the WiFi router here is a couple of metres away from my Squeezebox Touch. Wired is the way way to go. Chris :) Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
Man in a van wrote: > Simply, wireless or ethernet into the SBTouch ? > > The thing is, 192/24 over wireless should not really be a problem, maybe > relocating the Router (higher is often advised on the internet) or > running a long Ethernet cable (I use a flat, 30 metre one from router to > switch) > > If using files stored on a hard disk of some sort (NAS or usb hard disk) > I have an out of the box idea that if these are downloaded files that > this might cause some plackback problems. It's just an idea, no proof. > but your problem is primarly one of connection between two devices. > > I agree with Mycenius that the start up order is important. Power on dac > first and then the SBTouch. If the reverse method is observed then the > SBT can be seen hunting for the DAC. > > Most of this stuff is designed to be put into standy for everday use and > only powered off if use is not intended for extended periods (as one > does when going away, for a few, or several days). > > Another thought is that the power supply for the SBT is starting to > fail, which may cause problems. > > I hope you sort out the problem > > 29179 > > atb > > ronnie Yea. Im starting to really think my problem is in the wireless on the SBT. I have a relatively new Fios router and a Orbi Mesh system with 3 satellites. I must have at least 25 items connected with out any problems The Touch seems to disconnect from the satellite( about 20 ft away) randomly. The odd ting is when I try to reconnect it cant. Despite seeing the network at full strength. The only remedy is to unplug and replug the SBT. Then it connects. Despite leaving the SBT on 24/7 I have try changing the channels on the 2.4ghz spectrum to no avail. Some suggested that I try to reduce the power setting on the 2.4ghz on the Orbi to 50%. gellie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
gellie wrote: > Hi Ronnie. Thanks for looking into this. I currently have my SBT > connected to the Oppo via USB. What do you mean by streaming method > used? > > Larry Simply, wireless or ethernet into the SBTouch ? The thing is, 192/24 over wireless should not really be a problem, maybe relocating the Router (higher is often advised on the internet) or running a long Ethernet cable (I use a flat, 30 metre one from router to switch) If using files stored on a hard disk of some sort (NAS or usb hard disk) I have an out of the box idea that if these are downloaded files that this might cause some plackback problems. It's just an idea, no proof. but your problem is primarly one of connection between two devices. I agree with Mycenius that the start up order is important. Power on dac first and then the SBTouch. If the reverse method is observed then the SBT can be seen hunting for the DAC. Most of this stuff is designed to be put into standy for everday use and only powered off if use is not intended for extended periods (as one does when going away, for a few, or several days). Another thought is that the power supply for the SBT is starting to fail, which may cause problems. I hope you sort out the problem 29179 atb ronnie +---+ |Filename: stay calm .jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29179| +---+ Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
Man in a van wrote: > I think there is a bit of confusion creeping in to the discussion. :) > > > EDO will only do 192/24 bit > > Looking briefly on-line (I obvs don't have the dac :rolleyes:) > > I found reference to the Oppo have a 32 but digial volume control > > https://soundstagexperience.com/index.php/letters-menu/504-oppo-bdp105-as-a-dac > > > and this from the Oppo manual, page 21 > > http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP105/BDP-105_USER_MANUAL_English_v1.4.pdf > > > > I would suggest that the streaming method used here is the greater > culprit. > > > Just saying...:):) > > ronnie Hi Ronnie. Thanks for looking into this. I currently have my SBT connected to the Oppo via USB. What do you mean by streaming method used? Larry gellie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Why do I need to go through a series of reboots wen using EDO/USB through OPPO 105?
I think there is a bit of confusion creeping in to the discussion. :) EDO will only do 192/24 bit Looking briefly on-line (I obvs don't have the dac :rolleyes:) I found reference to the Oppo have a 32 but digial volume control https://soundstagexperience.com/index.php/letters-menu/504-oppo-bdp105-as-a-dac and this from the Oppo manual, page 21 http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP105/BDP-105_USER_MANUAL_English_v1.4.pdf > The BDP-105 can function as a dedicated Digital-to-Analog Converter > (DAC) and process externaldigital audio signals with its internal > SABRE32Reference audio processors. Three digital audio inputports are > available: OPTICAL, COAXIAL and USB DAC, all located on the back panel. > The processedanalog audio is available from the dedicated stereo (RCA > and XLR) and multi-channel terminals.xA digital audio source device > (such as a DVD/CD player, digital TV box, and PC or Mac) can beconnected > directly to the input port through an Optical, Coaxial or USB cable (not > included). Someconfiguration may be required on the source device to > make sure the audio signal is sent out from thecorrect output terminal. > You can then use theINPUTbutton on the OPPO remote to open > theInputSource Menu and select the desired input port.NOTExTo utilize > the USB DAC input from a Windows computer (XP, Vista and Windows > 7), a softwaredriver needs to be installed on the computer. The > driver is available online at BDP-105 supportpage on the OPPO Digital > website (www.oppodigital.com).xNo software driver is required for Mac > computers.xThe BDP-105 supports up to 2ch/192kHz PCM signal > through its USB audio input, and up to2ch/96kHz PCM, Dolby > Digital, DTS and AAC signal through its Optical andCoaxial audio > inputs.xWe recommend using a digital audio cable no longer than 13 feet > (4m) to guarantee the optimalbus performance and the correct interface > operations. I would suggest that the streaming method used here is the greater culprit. Just saying...:):) ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111529 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
