I read that modern SSDs are just as resilient as HDDs. In fact, in many cases
they have a lower failure rate than an HDD used for the same tasks. What is
best is to use SSD for frequently-written files such as the programs while
storing and backing up to an HDD that isn't used often.
To be
If it's possible to separate parts of the OS that get written often on the
SD-card, that would be really cool.
Of course, most of the 8Gib would remain unused, which would be a waste of
real-estate. But at least, it would possibly keep it usable for a really long
time.
I don't know for
Maybe some of the OS-- parts of it that are hardly moved, often read? (I
assume that copying to and from is what kills NAND, and not reading from...?)
Thanks guys.
I don't understand much of what a lot of writes on disk involves exactly
(changing location of files, things like that?), but looking for it on the
web, I found this (https://askleo.com/can_a_usb_thumbdrive_wear_out/):
The best use of USB thumb drives and other flash
It's not that it was naive. If you can't reliably foresee what the ratios
will be it would be naive not to over-account for things. Not the other way
around.
The reality is we really do need to get to $150,000ish number IMHO. In fact
ideally it would be a lot higher. Even though it may not
onpon4 is correct. There is no ARM port of Trisquel as Ubuntu discontinued
its ARM build back around 8.04 I believe. That makes it a tad bit difficult.
It would probably make sense to do a Debian-based version of Trisquel as
there are Debian ports for ARM.
The way NAND flash on these
> Also, why isn't Trisquel one of the suggested OS?
Not possible. Trisquel doesn't support ARM.
Quick question about the NAND/storage:
I've read above that there's a driver developed for it.
I was reading this thread
(https://trisquel.info/en/forum/libre-storage-device), and I was wondering if
the EOMA68 (with its included storage) qualifies as a libre storage device?
Also, why isn't
Try two for hitting slashdot:
http://m.slashdot.org/submission/6157963
If you have a facebook/google/slashdot account login and up-vote it. The
campaign isn't there, but could be. Still another $100 k needed.
yay we crossed $50,000!
laser-engraving on the 1.5mm plywood would not be a problem, and would be
kinda cool. we have a few ideas of replacing the panels with embroidery
plastic grids and so on: only recommended for the LCD panels though!
you *might* be able to fit an embedded-style SSD into the internal
I've also seen another machine with nearly complete wooden casing. The beast
looks super heavy though. You could cut onions on it or something. And it
actually looks a bit off.
Depending on the thickness of the lid, it's probably possible to modify the
plans so the whatever I want to be
ok i added the passthrough card
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/pass-through-card
that's what we did about 150-200 times at the conference, there's a better
(but really tired) version coming later
I am very excited about EOMA68 and I am very happy to be able to back the
project. Finally something that is Libre for real!
The Hope video was brilliant!
embroidery panels are also 1.5mm thick (the plastic ones), you might get away
with using them on the LCD lid, but not the base. a custom PCB at some point
with SMT LEDs and components on it... there's room for another power cable at
the other side...
i did think of paper mache with resin
omg, after seeing the video, I must say:
genius!
That video was not porn but gave me a boner.
Seriously speaking, you were phenomenal explaining it's possibilities, I
really find this project a revolution and I'm sad because I'm not in
condition on helping the project economically, I will try to get the word out
in order to help though.
Looks nice. I personally like a matte finish more, but that's one f the
nicest things about it, it's infinitely customizable. I mean I was just
thinking of engraving stuff on the cover lid (yeah, like that fruit thing,
which could be switched by a nicely designed banana silhouette).
But
's'not fair i was told i had to make some boooring silver colour scheme... so
in rebellion i picked robotic metallic silver, and it's turned out prett y
awesome because the light catches the parts in different ways (the parts are
printed at right-angles to each other), it's a bit like those
I love it, it does the job just right. It made me really want one.
Also, that's some impressive TMNT Donatello color scheme you got on that
laptop :)
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/hope-2016
ha! :) just when i said "ne" someone videod live at the hope2016
confrecne, let me know what you think
I was thinking of something really short, you know, 30 seconds or something.
I see your point though. Maybe for the second batch :)
hiya hack, yeah we find it takes too long to explain the whole thing in one
go, we need someone to "ask questions of" if you know what i mean. we tried
the "explaining" video it just didn't work, and it's because there's nobody
else in the world actually doing this!
but, also, i don't
lkcl, I was just thinking about something: Why don't you try to make a short
but dynamic video about the whole thing?
You know, the fast happy music kind, with fun animations and bullet points. I
know I sound sarcastic but seriously, it's a format that packs a punch, and
it's easy to
thanks :) still have to get another 87 computer cards before we reach the
first critical threshold (MOQ 250 computer cards)...
Congratulations on reaching 40k!!!
the goal is actually to reach certain MOQs (250 for Computer Cards). $150k
was actually based on equal ratios of cards, desktops and laptop housings.
this was, in retrospect, rather naive :)
add up the numbers on the computer cards, divide by 250, use that as a ratio
to multiply up the
managed to get in touch with him, thank you!
It's reassuring that you have not had any big problems with Parabola. I will
back up regularly so that if something goes wrong, I can use a different
computer until I figure out how to get Parabola working properly. Thanks for
your reply Eemeli.
Haha, it's cool that you linked here
Thanks budy
You can indeed use the Guix software on ARM, however there's only
instructions on how to install the GuixSD operating system on x86. I can't
wait for someone to port it to ARM! Perhaps I'll take a look into it once the
EOMA-68 is sitting on my desk!
Also, it would be a nice learning
Keep on trying, I want to see you succeed. :)
By the way 150K is your goal yes?
When you were at 35k it said you were 25% funded... so meh I am confused...
power budget and simplicity: the schematic for the micro-desktop fits onto a
single page. the moment you add a built-in USB hub it's added 40 extra
components and requires about 1 sq in of board space (which isn't available).
adding a built-in USB Audio IC, another 50 components, and
Thanks for your input.
You mean communicating emotions then?
Then I agree,
but I would say some people can sell garbage (fas food, sodas for example),
So to me the selling part is more like acting. You have to believe you can
achieve something though, either the income from the crappy product
You mean visualization techniques? Yes I've heard about them. I mean it's
definitely used by athletes around the world, but for example, the idea in
basketball that a shooter having a good streak should keep having the ball is
false. Statistics revealed that a player in such state doesn't
> I will need Microsoft and Adobe for work, and will use a different computer
when I need their programs.
you can use rdesktop to connect remotely if you prefer, as long as they're
not too graphics-intensive programs. enable the "Remote Terminal Service" on
the windows machine and you can
Hm... OK, let's see how it turns out if I disable automatic OpenPGP
signing just for now.
This comment should appear in the forums now.
Last thing I remember saying was: GuixSD can also be used in the ARM
"world". :D
I see, but when I intend to use the micro desktop as an end user, it lacks
the audio/mic ports usually found on such desktop devices.
I compared to what the laptop was offering and thought maybe due to the size
constraints the ports are lacking, hence my query.
Next, I am thinking of
Thanks again Luke. I appreciate your thought process for sourcing parts.
I hope that I can make Parabola work; I will think about whether to choose
Parabola or Debian (if Debian, I will install the RMS program on my own). I
will need Microsoft and Adobe for work, and will use a different
Hi Adfeno; your post is blank on the forum
> In sports psychology, as far as I can tell, you want to have positive
expectations to get motivated. But you still have to do the work.
fascinatingly - and this is a major off-topic distraction i know - a trick
taught by physiotherapists that train olympic athletes is to IMAGINE that
Your evidence and conclusion would appear to be solid, but they aren't
entirely relevant to the point.
Although a 'positive mindset' doesn't increase your chance of success with
actually succeeding in a work project (like designing and manufacturing the
card), it makes a huge difference in
btw we'll be adding the "passthrough card" to the list, update soon but
here's a bit about it at the moment
http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2016-July/011204.html
http://rhombus-tech.net/community_ideas/passthrough_card/
hiya mzs114,
tom and prince were inspired by the early work on gpl compliance with
allwinner that i did back when the A10 first came out. tom (and many others)
did not have the restriction of strict gpl compliance for the bootloader, nor
of having to develop a standard. Tom however
Any possible teaming with Cubie(radxa, etc) project in the future?
Also, the more I read your responses the clear it becomes why you dropped
supporting SATA, Ethernet interfaces and instead focus on the common ones,
like the "Universal" Serial Bus(USB). When I compared what is there to what
ha, well welcome to modular computers: with EOMA68 you can have *two*
affordable computers, one for "experiment with updates", the other
"stable" :)
> Sorry for all the questions -- and thanks for taking the time
> to answer ... just a few more from me
no problem, i got time :)
> For the laptop, does the LCD connect to the Computer Card via a LVDS?
EOMA68 is RGB/TTL. there's an LVDS converter IC (a TI SN75LVDS83b)
on the laptop housing
For the science behind this idea, this is all I've found, and you better take
it with a grain of salt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect
A major limitation of this experiment was its inability to be replicated
well. "Most studies using product measures found no expectancy
There is also GuixSD in the ARM world. :D
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I have been using Parabola on my main work laptop for two years now. Not a
single time did I have any problems that would cripple the system.
Occasionally (for me, it happened 1-2 times in two years) some package
updates to a newer version while another one still would like the old
Sorry for all the questions -- and thanks for taking the time to answer ...
just a few more from me
For the laptop, does the LCD connect to the Computer Card via a LVDS? Will
your business sell different LCD screens (perhaps higher res, perhaps just
replacement screens) in the future that
yehh chris has tried different laptops, the ones that can be used regularly
by businesses day-to-day are the 15in ones. it's just... it took a *year* to
design that casework, and that was full-time. it's something we can put on
the todo list, but we'll certainly need community help with it
heh well, organized religion in my opinion is bad only if the church you go
to doesn't teach grace because usually that means they are condemners and
therefore are either bad or evil.
I like to look at it this way, grace saves you... works helps you save
others...
but meh I refer to him
oh it was you! i saw the total go up, so thank you :)
thanks calmstorm. i am too (christian) but i usually refer to Him as
archangel michael. as you may have guessed i'm not a keen fan of organised
hierarchical religion... :)
Well then, I guess I should be more positive indeed. :)
I tend to be pessimist, most times I do it as defensive pessimism, but
other times I overdo it.
This "common agreement" between religion and science is new to me
actually.
There are some researchers that defend some form of defensive
This is a technique I agree with whole heartedly. Those religious people who
are "Really religious" meaning not false ones... would agree with you. By the
way, I donated 15$ more to your cause. I probably won't go any further but I
will try and give people reason to support you if I can.
You know I saw one of your earlier posts, and I have to say, the attitude of
positivity you have is very good.
I should know better than to think the opposite... Not to drag this
conversation into a crazy way, but science and religion both have one thing
in common, they both agree on one
Indeed. And as I said before: it's normal for there to be some slowdown in
contributions during this period. We just need to push it up to the point
where it's almost there, and then there will be a surge of contributions at
the end to push it over the edge.
Just remain positive, and
adfeno, i'd like to share some insight with you. when you "worry" people can
sense it. they can hear it in your words, even if you don't actually *say*
"i am worried". what then happens is... your WORRIES become fulfilled - they
become true - because those thoughts "fail, fail, fail,
the complexity of doing a multi-device launch i explain here:
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/moqs
basically we're already 54% of the way to one of the critical thresholds for
the Computer Cards: the MOQ is 250. assuming an equal balance we actually
should reach
thanks muhammed!
ok that photo was the second prototype, i'd experimented with ABS for the
sides and for the screen-hinge after leaving the first prototype in a bay
window, in the sun where i had photographed it... you know what's coming next
don't you it had melted because PLA has a
I'm copying this message to libreplanet-discuss and to Alexandre Oliva
since I think it's important for them to know this message too.
I'm very worried about the crowdfunding too.
Don't worry, I *am* contributing by spreading the word about it, even
though I hardly have the salary/wage to
I wondered how that would play out.
do you think you will succeed in raising 150k?
I wish you lots of luck and hope you will succeed.
But I do wonder, if 60 days was too few to raise the money. but meh that's my
opinion I suppose.
I hope you don't give up even when it seems like it is
Thanks Luke.
Could you post a pic of the material if you have a chance, and how the
material(s) might correspond to the laptop:
http://lpxshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/eoma_02-e1454448637648.jpg
Good luck in your crowd funding campaign; I hope that you guys succeed.
thanks mzs114. yehh... we know... the FSF was not very happy to learn that
the creators of the "Librem laptop" had not done their due diligence before
using the word "Librem". i had a lot of explaining to do there, about why i
was happy to use Crowd Supply when they'd backed that project,
I have been following your work for sometime now and I do appreciate the work
you have put. It is confusing when many projects start claiming their work as
"Libre".
> When I back multiple projects will the shipping charges be clubbed to the
maximum amount among them or charged separately?
for USA there's no shipping charge as we've taken that into account. for
outside of the USA, Crowd Supply, from their long experience, has an
estimated average
If you love the idea about a 100% free libre laptop/desktop, IT is a good
idea to support it regardless. But all up to you... :)
Hi lkcl,
I am thinking of backing the card, the desktop case and the cable set.
I have some questions.
When I back multiple projects will the shipping charges be clubbed to the
maximum amount among them or charged separately?
Did you ever consider Olimex boards as alternative? They claim
hi muhammed,
the clear / transluscent one i've not printed out yet (but i do have some
translucent PLA and have printed parts with it) - i'm not sure if i'll use
PETG or PLA. clear PLA tends to come out partly opaque, whilst PETG stands
more of a chance of being clearer.
assembly of the
Does anyone have a photo of the clear-and-translucent laptop?
What's it like to assemble the laptop?
please don't - they're on the case, remember they're just a bit overloaded
that's all.
Emailing the FSF will probably not have the result you want. I wouldn't worry
too much about the FSF or RYF. They'll release something before the Crowd
Funding campaign is over. Ideally it would have happened already, but Josh
Gay, and everybody at the FSF is kept very busy. Josh has to talk
RYF certification probably isn't possible (they can't certify it until they
actually get the commercially-produced version, can they?), but there aren't
any known blockers.
The FSF post would be a great idea though. Could we all email pleading
requests for it to somebody at the FSF?
thanks paradox! really appreciated
contributed! good luck.
yeah that was a nice surprise to see it get off the ground like that. also,
people who've heard of it but have not contributed yet will be thinking,
"hmmm, payday at the end of the mooonth, gotta plaaan ahad" and so on.
as i'm here on a 90 day visa waiver in the USA, we had to go ahead
Do everything that you can to spread the word, but this trend you're seeing
is not unusual. The times most people tend to donate are at the start of the
campaign, when it was just announced and there's excitement, and toward the
end of the campaign, if it gathered a substantial portion of
I am very worried about the crowd funding. 25% of the days have gone by but
only 17% is funded. Is there really only so few people interested in this? I
think it might be because of a lack of publicity. If it were not for these
forums (and the newsletter from ThinkPenguin) I would have
what is the best case scenario of a Micro SD card/SD card for use with the
EOMA device?
What brand would you recommend?
Which ones can you fully encrypt? And on a sidenote,
is it hard to install uboot on the NAND?
?
:)
For me, that is good enough in a campaign like this one. A Libre Tea card, a
PFY kit and some cables are coming my way :)
hmm you should be able to get to http://rhombus-tech.net, if you go to
http://rhombus-tech.net/sitemap/ you should be able to get an overview from
there. http://rhombus-tech.net/crowdsupply/ is where i'm maintaining an
"alternative" set of information - mostly notes for myself. if you
aross, i checked out those 85gbyte/sec sd/mmc cards, i can get 20mbyte/sec
sustained out of it on the EOMA68-A20. the A64 computer card i'm waiting for
the allwinner a64 team to get with the programme and release those 200 lines
of code needed for libdram so it's no longer gpl-violating.
> Aside from some configuration I need to do before this works,
> my card will boot from the flash drive by default when I start up.
> Is this right?
yyup. by the time the linux kernel is loaded into memory (by u-boot, off the
sd-card or NAND), the linux kernel will have all the drivers it
Thank for you for your replies- I had suspected the Pi-Top would be less than
ideal, but it's clearly a lot worse than I thought...
By the way, could I just clarify the "open source" point? I in no way
advocate the open source philosophy, which I agree both completely ignores
the key
ok here you go
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/cable-set
OK I think I completely misunderstood. I think I get it now: say I have
u-boot on an SD card. I have my distro of choice installed to a USB flash
drive. Aside from some configuration I need to do before this works, my card
will boot from the flash drive by default when I start up.
Is this
Hi Cris and Luke,
I tried going to the site but it's blocking me because I use TOR. Is there an
alternative site I can go to read more about your project?
tonlee, i've since learned that crowdsupply will take direct bank transfers,
you'll need to contact supp...@crowdsupply.com (make sure to cc me,
luke.leigh...@gmail.com), send them your GPG key and they will reply with
their bank account information (encrypted). you'll need to add $USD15
there's a guy from france who is helping with the firmware... which is of
course GPLv3+ licensed. the plan is to find a keyboard supplier willing to
actually supply us with a generic enough keyboard that people will be able to
source random variants off of ebay. reprogramming the firmware
> EDIT: So what I am getting from this is that U-boot *will not* recognize
the drive if connected by regular USB? I need a SATA converter?
that's incorrect... or a misunderstanding, it's hard to tell which.
u-boot sort-of uses bits of the linux kernel drivers, so its capability is
limited
> Open source does not and was never intended to
teach people to value their freedom.
In fact the very same expression "open source" was coined by a bunch of
businessmen who deliberately came up with it to oppose another expression
which they were convinced was bad for business: "free
No hard drive just connects "by regular USB". Your external hard drive has a
converter on it. It might even be detachable (mine is).
Thank you for the info!
luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote:
i do not understand why people do not understand that just because the word
"open" is used somewhere on the page
For anyone who doesn't know this: What you see in that is an intended
consequence of open source. Open source does not and was never intended to
i talked to their team very early on - the conversations stopped on their end
when i described the power requirements for EOMA68, which is that it must be
OTG (pass-through). also they weren't willing to adapt the casework to take
into account the dual video capabilities nor make it
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