Archiving email is hard. I don't blame you for not saving it.
"small sign"
"2,4 billion people"
Sorry for the mistakes. I could not edit now.
< I also though know that it would be complicated to implement what your
asking.
Not complicated at all, and in fact it is something necessary. Freedom of
expression is something essential but as a lawyer I also know that any
freedom has the limit of respecting the rights of others. Only
I am somewhat hopeful that they decide to bite the bullet and jump T8
straight to LTS 18.04 base.
With Ubuntu 18.04 LTS coming out in April, should focus go towards "Trisquel
9" instead? I know there are a lot of users on Trisquel 7 and upgrading will
be hard, but maybe its good to have a fresh start? Gnome and KDE are mature
of course. MATE, XFCE, and even Budgie will be good to go as
I would agree that CHRIST IS GOD. I also though know that it would be
complicated to implement what your asking.
I would also add though Christianity has been misused ALOT...
I understand why they are skeptical, given the nature of people like hitler
and the crusades, etc,
You don't even
@vltr I am not a Jedi, at best, perhaps a Jawa (or maybe Minifree and
Technoethical are Jawas). Our computers would be our droids. Some droids work
for the Empire, some work for us. I use Libre technology and help others
install and use it as well but am not a developer per se. But there are
Sorry, for changing my post.
Before I wrote just making some jokes about a fictional and popular movie.
However as I began to read other posts I found very unrespectful posts
towards Christianity here. For me it was not a surprise who were some of the
authors of those posts, but anyway I
I'm not Ikhider, but in my humble opinion...
"the force" would be software systems & networks people use. Perhaps even the
world wide web itself.
"the dark side" would be companies that find new and innovative ways to
restrict people, repeatedly charge money for something users could
Dear I khider:
As everything that you say in this forum, your commentary just led me to make
a reflection. My words may sound strange but being this night in France far
from my beautiful Spain I took your words as a shortcut to enter in a
fictional but welcoming reality.
As usually I
But Zimmerman also does ads for banks and luxury cars. The times, they are
a-changin'. : - (
@marioxcc This is an interesting comment. It is valid to question authority,
to say, 'hey, you are preaching but not practicing.'
Stallman put in his time. He has been writing free software for years, since
the 70's. Like teams of people would write proprietary software and Stallman,
@marioxcc This is an interesting comment. It is valid to question authority,
to say, 'hey, you are preaching but not practicing.'
Stallman put in his time. He has been writing free software for years, since
the 70's. Like teams of people would write proprietary software and Stallman,
So am I!
I'll always have the treasured memory of having a back-and-forth over email I
had with him though for a Linux Format magazine cover feature back in 2009.
(You can see the online version here:
http://www.tuxradar.com/content/make-linux-faster-and-lighter)
18 year old me was a
> what has he personally contributed in the last year to free software?
What do you understand by contribute? Are translations, conferences, talks,
proposals, tests, advices, etc. software contributions for you?
With respect, Ubuntu 16.04 LTS won't be "outdated" when Trisquel 8 releases.
It will be supported with hardware and maintenance updates until late 2018,
and it will continue receiving maintenance updates until 2021. See
https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life.
I agree though that
I would consider it a honour to dine with Happy Gnu and I'm STILL jealous!
What a pleasure to dine with RMS! I'm jealous.
heh, I would feast like a drunk donkey with RMS and would surely make sure to
make sure the wallet is fat e fast. :P
SuperTramp83 said: >never had the privilege to feast with RMS :'(
Well, you might want to keep in hand the good old antacid medicine..LOL
"DON'T WORRY AND BE READY TO PAID FOR IT :SINCE HE IS A SANTO" lol
My words exactly. ;)
2017-11-08T14:46:12+0100 leestro...@gmail.com wrote:
> I think this is an excellent attitude from happy_gnu. For all those
> calling for Trisquel 8, saying "where is it? why is it so late?": it's
> only going to happen if *you*(/we) pick up a keyboard and devote our
> time to
Despite what I sometimes think of him on his thoughts towards God, without
him, the four freedoms for software would not have happened. Truly you need
to look at it from a different perspective.
your judging him, and its not needed.
Well, if the story is true which I believe it is, then he didn't
significantly more than you, or anyone else could imagine...
his death gives us the option of heaven or hell. without it, we would all be
damned and that's what the bible indicates...
so if you are going to put it in context,
>Correct. He gives himself a luxurious life as a traveler of the world's big
cities, where people celebrate him for his past contributions (Emacs, GNU,
the GNU GPL, etc.), achievements of an era long gone.
The day you write the GPL, emacs, glibc and gcc I will send you on a
luxurious
"There is no reason for me to be nice when pointing people's mistakes. I am
intentionally harsh, as it should be. Nobody deserves kind words for doing
things wrong. That privilege is reserved to the occasions when people do
things right (and I am nice in those situations)."
So you have the
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toxicity "an extremely harsh,
malicious, or harmful quality"
You describe your own language as harsh. It also is harmful and malicious.
It is harmful to make use insipid or irrelevant comments as a distraction.
You make many statements that are
He was an intelligent man worthy of admiration. Now he is not. Old age is not
an excuse. Just to give an example: Paul Erdős worked until the last of his
days. He died when he was in a conference about mathematics.
> it is not enough of a "contribution" to be worth that amount of toxicity.
Free feel to ignore my messages then. Taking into account that you use the
word “toxicity” without even knowing what it means, your commentary would
not be missed by me at all.
There is no reason for me to be nice
Magic Banana is one of the most consistently helpful and valuable resources
on this forum. You show up occasionally to take everything personally (to the
point that you still haven't gotten over an argument from almost two months
ago), become hostile, and derail the conversation. Even when
> It has everything to do with my critique to you. Not only you do far less
than Stallman for free software but you feel entitled to call him lazy.
Again this is the ad hominem fallacy. Given that you seem to not to
understand this concept, do a simple web search (1, 2). That will bring
Bob Dylan is old and rusty. I'd hesitate to hear of any new songs from him
because I'm sure he can't surpass his young self anymore. Bob's old
accomplishments are undiminished in their artistic value regardless.
>GNU Emacs alone is sufficient to earn RMS a place in history.
Stallman did not write what is currently GNU Emacs. Many people did. His
contribution is tiny.
It is a common mistake to give most of the credit of a project to the first
person who participated. When projects become big enough
While I don't think what RMS does is perfect by any means, I don't see how
him going back to programming would be helpful. No offense to the man, but
he's old and rusty. He would probably contribute little there.
I think he's right to focus on campaigning. He's decent enough at that,
> Stallman has been spreading the word about free software. All around the
world.
Correct. He gives himself a luxurious life as a traveler of the world's big
cities, where people celebrate him for his past contributions (Emacs, GNU,
the GNU GPL, etc.), achievements of an era long gone.
This is very good!!! Thank you both magic banana and Mampir.
Can we talk over email or can we talk in IRC ?
Email: happy_gnu @ teknik.do
IRC and Riot: happy_gnu
Emacs alone is sufficent to earn RMS a place in history. Let alone his other
projects/initiatives, GNU and GPL. The four freedoms.
What did Jesus ever do but die on the cross?
“He looked at me and said...
"I want Trisquel 8 too.."”
As is typical of Stallman, he complains and says what he wants to be done,
but does not do anything about it. Although he has done real work in the
past, now he is lazy and unwilling to move a finger (think about it: what has
he
> I know Trisquel 8 is too late already, but Ubuntu 18.04 is close, maybe if
I learn enough during the next few months I can help a lot to Trisquel 9
happen sooner than later.
> I have a lot of free time so I can use a few daily hours to learn and help.
I want to ask you to point me on the
This is the link to the repo on Framagit:
https://framagit.org/smoha/trisqueldev
Ah... git... indeed.
Actually, any general notion of how version control works.
In the college where I study, people around all courses/degrees have the
need for version control systems like git, although no course is being
offered for that and they don't know what it is. I might offer an
grep, sed, awk, diff and patch
Looks like no one remembered git :)
I'm open to help by giving gratis lessons on the above (or related) topics -
I'm a teacher and I enjoy explaining stuff. :)
But would be for helping Trisquel only? I'd like to contribute, but I'm too
busy with Parabola.
That cool! :) Unfortunately I don't use slides or anything like that when I
teach, so I don't have any files I can share...
You should definitely learn Bash and there are many tutorials around the
Internet for that. You should lean basic usage for command-line tools like
grep, sed, awk, diff and patch. You should also learn how Deb packaging
works, for which there should be tutorials on the Ubuntu and Debian
I'm referring to how development of LibreCMC was funded).
From what i gather on https://librecmc.org/faq.html
Are libreCMC developers paid?
No, libreCMC developers are not paid. All the work they do on the project is
on their own time at will.
Does the libreCMC project get funding?
Yes and
I don't see how the condition of a distro's forum means a distro is dead.
I mean, you sound like one of those "is slackware dead" posts (it's not, they
just update their news very, very, very, very seldom - that plus they don't
even run a forum
(that said I'm on Slackware at the moment
>I'm certain that most will prefer the convenience of clicking "Add
Applications" in Trisquel and easily installing a stable version of each tool
they need.
The software repository was, I remember, the thing that really made me fall
in love with gnu when I installed my first distro. I
You're right. I should have compared programs rather than the OS, but
programs are no different. While I used Windows 7 it never even occurred to
me to seek out newer versions of MS Office or VLC. The basic programs that
normal people need haven't required new features in years. When
Right, and that's why it's hard.
Another more realistic way is the Think Penguin approach: fund development of
an OS to use on computers you sell (I'm referring to how development of
LibreCMC was funded).
Totally agree, though https://www.redhat.com/en/about is a big fish "model".
Or, if the services aren't wanted, they could be a burdensome overhead that
prevents OS work from getting done. There are better ways, like the Red Hat
model, to make developing a libre OS into a business, but it's not easy.
>Windows 7 (from 2009) isn't too old for them, and Trisquel 7 (2014) isn't
either.
Well that is not a fair comparison..
Most Windows useds never see the OS, they don't use the OS but the programs,
and they can install the newest version of any program without even been
aware of the concept
A solution could be to have a Libre distribution offering paid services, such
as VPN, Web Hosting, email service, thus having an income that could be
partly used to pay salary(ies) of one to two developer(s) to maintain that
distribution.
I'm sure if tomorow Trisquel offered these
I think that it is ok to speak, but in my personal opinion it should bring
also something that helps. I don't agree with people that complain and do
nothing. If you really think that this project is dead why do you come here
in the first place? It is not to censor your ideas, but if you
Too the one who used the "Rating too low" thing on my post..
Use that stupid and unfair instrument will not change the truth: Trisquel is
dead and your beloved RMS is between those to blame for it. And beetwen them
there is also you and all the others who have ever used "Rating too low".
I would like to see more libre distros, with different specialist uses in
mind. For example, there is the GOLD project I have proposed for a libre
distro specifically tailored for the needs of gamers. I understand that there
is a trade-off involved, more distros means more work to be done,
I am unaware of another libre distro that is fully functional without at
least occasional use of a terminal or other tools with which the majority
with people do not know how to use. They should not have to learn to use
these tools in order to be free. They just want something that works.
I think that many people don't understand the philosophy of the given from
free time, of the volunteering and they just complain all the time without
offering real help. I guess it is the human nature complaining. I could
understand if Trisquel was a payed service. It is not. It is from the
Trisquel 7.0 is dated now. Trisquel 8.0 is overdue, still unreleased and will
be outdated if it ever is released, as it is based on a Ubuntu LTS which is
soon to be superceded.
I think many people would agree that Ruben doesn't have the time he needs to
continue to maintain Trisquel as it
I agree 100%
Thanks for sharing this. I've also been using Parabola lately and
recommending it occasionally in this forum. This post was a good reminder of
how important it is to support Trisquel. Advanced users have multiple libre
options, but all users deserve freedom and Trisquel is perhaps the only
I think that at some point the automation will allow to keep up with the main
distribution (ubuntu) releasing at the same time.
I am wondering which tools are used to automate the releases and the builds.
I see that they use jenkins for the builds.
Hi happy_gnu
RMS really should not hope for Trisquel 8 to be released since he is the one
who (indirectly) caused the delay.
"Poor Ruben" can't dedicate enough time to his petty project since when he
started working for FSF (aka RMS petty project).
If he really cares about Trisquel he
I have been watching on a nonfree pen testing distro, BlackArch, with
appending this into Parabola (both pacman based) I am facing the same problem
with the Deb contrib channel, security tools themselves are free but
dependent on nonfree (from every main Arch channels, if also appended to
Thanks for the links. Interesting for me is: the process is automated but
before to upload the changes to the repos they are tested locally. This means
there is a pretty active development. I installed Trisquel 8 and every day
updates come in.
Just a public "Welcome home" to the Trisquel boards and a mention of the
fact that I didn't think my opinion of rms could improve but it did
yesterday.
Please don't underestimate yourself. St. iGNUcious agrees with me on
this one. :)
>never had the privilege to feast with RMS :'(
He said something like it should not be too hard, Parabola uses Debian
packages, so helping Parabola is learning to package stuff for Debian,
removing non-free dependencies and building the package on Trisquel.
(Something like that, blame my ignorance and not RMS if something is wrong
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