date:20170420

"You are probably looking for inaccuracies in my posts in order to undermine
my position, "

Not at all; I was only pointing out changes that I perceived. For example:

"Calling a law which applies to all eu countries local is inaccurate."
In your very first post you were not indicating any
region/jurisdiction-specific stuff. That didn't come in until later. That's
why I was mentioning the change from global to local. Mentioning this change
is important because I'm most familiar with stuff in the U.S., which is where
I live. And it is local because the EU is not the only region/jurisdiction in
the world.

And also when I said "some places of the world have rules regarding
interoperability", EU law procedure was not relevant because I was not
talking of the EU, although that statement may be true there too, but of the
world in general. Once again, the EU is not the only region/jurisdiction in
the world. I was still trying to keep the conversation more global but it
seems that won't be happening, so:

"Apparently in usa that has to be done by different persons for legal
reasons."
Reverse engineering doesn't necessarily have to be done by different people,
but it is the safest option.
Imagine if the person has access to a proprietary source code, studies it to
learn about the program, and then goes to make their own version of the
program. There is always the potential for similiarities between the programs
for various reasons. The person that did the reverse engineering may claim
that they are merely accidental; that the similiarites exist because there
aren't many ways for that functionality to exist. The developer of the
proprietary program may claim that the person merely copied the source code -
after they had access to the source code they'd claim.

If you can instead show that a process was in place that made copying of
source code impossible, because the person that wrote the new free code
worked only from documentation of how the program should work and/or from a
specification written by someone else that had seen the source code, but the
person doing the coding never saw the original source code, then any
similiarites that exist are very likely to be because there are very few ways
to implement that part and it's likely not copyrightable and makes for a
stronger defense in case the matter goes to court.

"In the video Stallman mentions, that people may turn over the specifications
anonymously. Why that other than it is a matter of illegal leaking?"

I don't think I understand the question here, but yes - there is the
potential for whoever is turning over the specifications to get into trouble,
as discussed earlier in the thread. An example situation might be someone
that works at a company that leaks the documentation to someone outside the
company. If the company were to learn that the leak happened they might then
try to find out how it happened. If they were able to find out who leaked the
information that person could then face charges.

"Reverse engineering is legal?"
It depends on the specific details of a situation. Some proprietary software
EULAs with terms saying you can't.

The EULA for Adbobe Flash said this, for example (or did; I don't know if it
still does or not but that's not relevant at this time.) The people that
originally started working on Gnash, for example, were looking for people
that had never used Adobe's Flash in order to avoid potential legal problems
stemming from this. If they'd never used the software they could never have
agreed to such terms. This is mentioned here -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash_(software)#Adobe_Flash_Player_End-User_License_Agreement

Of course, the next paragraph talks about whether such stuff is legal or not
in the EU. But the people that were working on Gnash, like Rob Savoye, were
in the U.S. and so U.S. law would have applied to them. What other laws might
have applied to them in some other theoretical alternate universe where they
lived in another country seems a tangential point. (And of course everything
I'm saying, like on the topic of reverse engineering, has a U.S. perspective
on it because that's where I live. You'll likely find differences in other
regions of the world; that doesn't mean what I'm saying is wrong.)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux-Libre Kernel Headers

2017-04-20 Thread superbyelich


Help?  :-)

[Trisquel-users] Review: Xfce 4.13 Desktop Environment – A Noticeable Difference From Its Predecessor

2017-04-20 Thread nuevodesorden



https://iwf1.com/review-xfce-4-13-desktop-environment-a-noticeable-difference-from-its-predecessor/

Good reading.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here

2017-04-20 Thread mkl80


Well thanks for the response. I think the next logical question is:
what programming language do we need to know if we want to collaborate with  
the trisquel in terms of programming language code.

Thanks in advance, I will wait eagerly for this particular answer.
Hugs!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here

2017-04-20 Thread keiyamashita


Here's the whole log: http://sprunge.us/egdF

Re: [Trisquel-users] Support Lisa's fundraiser today

2017-04-20 Thread legimet . calc


I don't think she accused anyone.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Support Lisa's fundraiser today

2017-04-20 Thread svhaab


>I don't think that by donating we endorse someone's side of the story.
I do not either. Apparently you believe I do. I asked the questions because I  
want to know what took place? For me it is important to know if maginnis, I  
got the names from fsf's website mixed up, maintains her accusations. If they  
are valid, then fsf not acknowledging makes it worse.
I understand that now it is a matter of providing means of payment. I do not  
think she will gather the required amount on her crowd funding website. Has  
she asked relevant organizations if they can do something?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here


Hi.

I have install Ubuntu using virt-amager. GLAMP is on Ubuntu 16 with tasksel.  
In packager helper it's ok, it's using sed to change some thinks but not any  
task.

What is the problem? :O

Re: [Trisquel-users] Testing Trisquel 8 : Feedback ;-)

2017-04-20 Thread g . smyli

Magic, Add 'apt-get autoremove'. OK, I did do that yesterday also. Tried  
again just now and says nothing left to do. Thanks.


Leaving wifi open? Eeks. I guess I'm paranoid. Mine isn't broadcasting and  
doesn't offer up IP addresses as additional measures to being encrypted. I'm  
not confident I can keep all the hosts inside my network secure if I let any  
old stranger on. There are web attacks using javascript that attack the home  
wifi router and if I leave it open then a user might inadvertently bring my  
router under attack. I think all my neighbors have their own anyway.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here

2017-04-20 Thread legimet . calc

scilab shouldn't be blocked anymore in flidas, because there's a replacement  
for the nonfree code. If it's still not there, that means the package helper  
system is malfunctioning.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here

2017-04-20 Thread legimet . calc


It took a long time, unfortunately, for it to get into Debian.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here

Hi. I don't know where C can be used in Trisquel. You can probably help  
upstream projects like Debian or Ubuntu but not Trisquel.


https://www.debian.org/Bugs/

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here

2017-04-20 Thread mkl80


Hello everybody.
Hello Salman.
I know a fair of c programming language, but I am practising and studying  
more on the advance concepts of this language that I miss.
how can I contribute with code using C programming language in the Trisquel  
project that I Love so much?

Thanks in advance and a big hug full of love to all the community.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Support Lisa's fundraiser today

2017-04-20 Thread tct

I don't think that by donating we endorse someone's side of the story. She  
needs her help to move on with her life and do more good to society. Let's  
put aside drama. We're better than that.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Support Lisa's fundraiser today

2017-04-20 Thread svhaab

Can you tell what happened? Did lovelace say, she got harassed while working  
at fsf? Then rowe sided with lovelace? Then rowe retracted what she said and  
did about lovelace's harass claim? Does lovelace maintain, that she got  
harassed by fsf? Is it about lovelace cannot produce evidence that harassment  
took place? Why cannot lovelace return to fsf? Or she does not want to return  
to fsf? Did fsf dismiss lovelace? Why did they dismiss lovelace? If fsf  
personnel in fact harassed lovelace and she could have obtained evidence, had  
she worn surveillance gear, it is despicable fsf will not acknowledge their  
wrongdoing, because I do not think fsf is in favor of surveillance. No  
american organizations that can step in?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here


can you paste somewhere the whole error message?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does no insider disclose the non libre computer software?

2017-04-20 Thread svhaab

You are probably looking for inaccuracies in my posts in order to undermine  
my position, saying there are legal means to modify a piece of software on  
your own computer, no matter what the license says.
What I initial wrote about modifying legally in a response to ignacio was not  
a  legal opinion. I was writing from my recollection. I have investigated  
this matter before and then I came to the conclusion that often you would be  
able to make modifications and a court would not rule them illegal.
The law on this matter has not changed. That is why I am asking you for court  
rulings telling me differently.


Your own writing contains inaccuracies and non documented claims.
>is proposing in this thread
An undocumented claim.

>The answers you seem to be looking for (now, at least) are local, but  
earlier seemed more global.
Reading my previous posts you should have been able to get to know, that I  
wanted to tell people that modifications made by you on your own computer  
would be legal. Distributing them maybe not.


>Yes, some places of the world have rules
>what their own laws are, and perhaps most importantly - what they are doing  
and why.

>abilities you refer to rely on local laws to make legal.
What you write shows a lack of knowledge about the eu law procedure. The law  
in question stems from eu. For constitutionally reasons each country then  
makes the eu law in question part of their own law system. In doing so each  
country is not allowed to modify the eu law in question. Calling a law which  
applies to all eu countries local is inaccurate.


>I notice your argument changes slightly to be about interoperability, which  
is the first time you've raised that particular point and is different from  
modifications in general. I imagine it's because of what you've been reading.
I think you wrote that because you want to insinuate that I do not know about  
this matter. I am not ignorant. And you have not rebutted my main claim.


>rules regarding interoperability
You insinuate that the law sets firm limits on when you can modify a piece of  
software. Sometimes a law contains an exception. Sometimes the exception  
becomes the main feature about a law. Regarding this law, I think, on the  
matter of legal modifications, the exception provides a broad option to make  
software modifications legally. The law lists a number of legal arguments for  
modifying a piece of software. Should you want to make modifications about a  
piece of software, you would try to make them such that they would be covered  
by the listed arguments.


 In result, often you will be able to make legal modifications about a piece  
of software no matter what the license says and put it on your computer.


I guess your goal was to demonstrate my view on legal software modifications  
is wrong. That you did not manage. It is important to tell other readers that  
there are ways to legally modify non libre software.


>GPL again and how it relies on laws like this in order to be able to  
function. So look, for example, at the GPL enforcements actions that Harald  
Welte brought in the EU and you'll find courts siding with him that these  
things can't be done with the permission of the copyright holder. In fact, if  
modification were not the exclusive right of the copyright holder then this  
aspect of the GPL could not be enforced and Harald Welte would not have been  
as successful as he was. So it is good for us in the free world that it is.  
The stronger these laws get the stronger copyleft gets. :)

Regarding your software on your computer this part is blether.
The fact that a given law grants you options to modify non libre software  
legally, in no way affects gpl.


It seems your second aim about your posts, is making libre software the only  
solution. I have explained there are options regarding modifying non libre  
software. I do not encourage them because I do not encourage non libre  
software on this forum. You could argue, that the modifications could be made  
libre software and therefore be distributed legally. I know of no court  
rulings about that. The non modified part of the non libre software would  
still be non libre. I add, that in an email to me fsf wrote, you decide if  
you want to install non libre software on your computer. Fsf does not intend  
to limit that right.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysOO33Nv3bI
At 41.40.
I think here Stallman refers to the procedure of reverse engineering.  
Followed by making a libre piece of software. Apparently in usa that has to  
be done by different persons for legal reasons. I do not know if this  
procedure is legal in eu.
In the video Stallman mentions, that people may turn over the specifications  
anonymously. Why that other than it is a matter of illegal leaking? Reverse  
engineering is legal?
I presume, that you cannot make libre software stemming from illegally leaked  
software. I know of no court rulings on that.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Contributing to Trisquel Tutorial


*pats self on back to be willing to answer the stupid questions* ;)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Has anyone ever flashed a replicant phone before?

2017-04-20 Thread calmstorm

galaxy note 2 n7100 a good choice? read my below responses though if you  
reply. please?

[Trisquel-users] Re : Contributing to Trisquel Tutorial

2017-04-20 Thread pinmaritim


Yes indeed, Thanks to both of you Salman & Jxself !

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does no insider disclose the non libre computer software?

2017-04-20 Thread calmstorm

Trademarks are the only thing that should be respected. and perhaps they  
should be strengthened...


Alas, last night I was in a foul mood for some reason...

with regard to some of this thread's content.

IT just seemed like certain people thought people shouldn't reveal secrets  
that shouldn't even exist in the first place.


such as backdoors and drm in windows, etc...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does no insider disclose the non libre computer software?

2017-04-20 Thread calmstorm


Sorry, I let my anger run away with me.

Yes, Software patents are evil, and yea your absolutely right,

law enforcement does not justify not leaking through morally...

70+ years after the author dies though I do believe is an evil idea for  
copyright,


I appologize, I would remove that last post if I could due to my apparent  
"shouting..." but I cannot.


so... yeah...

I really let my anger run away with me.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here

2017-04-20 Thread keiyamashita

I think I found the issue. The pbuilderrc file in the trisquel-builder source  
code is configured to build a belenos environment. I had manually changed  
some of the code to build a flidas environment instead, but openjdk-7-jre was  
still in the EXTRAPACKAGES variable in my pbuilderrc file.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here

Great answer! I WAS under the impression that Trisquel is GNU-Ubuntu. Mind  
blown. I think I get it now! Thanks so much!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Contributing to Trisquel Tutorial


Thanks! Very helpful!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Contributing to Trisquel Tutorial

"So, you mean to say the package helpers, block and allow certain packages  
from being included in the trisquel repositories? "
Not exactly. There is another thing called ubuntu-purge that's used to  
blacklist things:
https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/ubuntu-purge Helpers are used used when  
packages need to be modified for one reason for another. If a package does  
not need any modifications at all then I don't think it would need a helper.


All of the package helpers live in  
https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers


Click on Files on the left side and you can start looking around. In the one  
called make-linux for example it's applying some patches, running the  
Linux-libre deblob script, changing the name from Ubuntu to Trisquel, etc.


Or if you want to look at the one for Liferea it adds in some RSS feeds that  
don't exist in Ubuntu, like the RSS feed the Free Software Foundation and for  
the Trisquel forums.

https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/blob/belenos/helpers/make-liferea

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here

As JXSelf, pointed me in the right direction, you wanna add this package:  
https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-ath9k-htc


You need to have a package helper like this one:  
https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/blob/flidas/helpers/make-icedove  
(but forget about the lines between 25 to 43)


1. this package (firmware-ath9k-htc) does not depend on any other package.
2. openjdk-7-jre is not available on Ubuntu repository after ubuntu 14.04  
(http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openjdk-7-jre)


What is the error message you get? You'd better report it to Issues section  
here. https://trisquel.info/en/project/issues and post the link here.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Contributing to Trisquel Tutorial

This is the easiest type of a package helper:  
https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/blob/belenos/helpers/make-p7zip


read it and if you had any question ask. (but in a separate topic)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here


"Is it to clean the package of non-free files/code?"

That could be one reason, yes. There is a package helper to turn Firefox into  
Abrowser for example. But the overall thing you seem to be missing is that  
Trisquel is not an exact copy of Ubuntu. It's not even "Ubuntu without the  
non-free bits." They also packaged up their own software that isn't available  
in Ubuntu (like the ath9k HTC firmware, which Ubuntu still does not have) and  
etc. And so, Package Helpers are the generic facility for accomplishing the  
generic task to "take software from somewhere (because Helpers can grab thing  
from anywhere, not just Ubuntu) and do whatever things are necessary to it so  
that it's in an appropriate condition to include in Trisquel."That *could* be  
to remove non-free bits, or perhaps to make privacy improvements, or perhaps  
to make technical changes so that the program works better in the Trisquel  
environment. Thus, the Package Helpers provide automation so that you don't  
have to keep making whatever those changes are over and over, every time the  
program is updated.


And as I said in the other thread: Because automation is good. Packages from  
Ubuntu need modifying for various reasons. Would you rather keep making those  
changes to that same package over and over (i.e., every time it gets updated  
in Ubuntu due to, say, security fixes or whatever) or would you rather work  
on a program one time that is capable of making those changes for you? The  
only work that needs doing in the future is to fix the Helper if/when it  
needs it. This is less work in the long run. Automation for the win! :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Contributing to Trisquel Tutorial

I love automation! I know its a newb question, but I am not purely a  
developer. I have some experience with coding stuff in extendscript,  
javascript, python and C++. Mostly toy programs. Because I don't know the  
structure of a distro or how to process its packages, and barely know exactly  
what a package is (in a way that woudl allow me to create one), I have lots  
of "basic" questions such as this that a newcomer would have to discover/ ask  
about.


So, you mean to say the package helpers, block and allow certain packages  
from being included in the trisquel repositories? Are their any examples of  
what a package helper looks like? I think I just need to see an example with  
context.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here


> I don't understand how can I add webserice in this file.
You don't need to add the webservice to this file. 1. check if everything is  
OK upstream (in this case Ubuntu 16.04) and 2. find out which line has caused  
the problem 3. revert the changes in the package helper or modify it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here


"There is not such a package in Debian repository"

Yes there is:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ath9k=names=all=all
But it's new. As you can see it only exists in sid at this time. It took the  
Debian Project years to get the free firmware. It came out in, I think, 2013  
or something?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here


> What do you mean by strategy?

What is the reason why package helpers are needed? From my point of view,  
Trisquel has all Ubuntu packages. In what ways specifically, perhaps with at  
least one example does a Bash script help with processing a package? Is it to  
clean the package of non-free files/code?


Im a beginner to intermediate coder and have never worked on a GNU/Linux  
based project or distro, so I don't fundamentally understand, in a human  
sense why package helpers are the way to help with Trisquel. What problem  
does it solve?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does no insider disclose the non libre computer software?

2017-04-20 Thread onpon4

I tend to not agree with RMS's, what I would call, pedantry about exact  
terminology, but he is definitely right about the term "intellectual  
property". I happen to think that copyrights and patents should be abolished,  
each for different reasons, but trademarks should not. I would even be open  
to strengthening trademark restrictions a little, though I don't think it  
would actually be necessary. The similarities between these laws are so  
trivial and unimportant, lumping them together just doesn't make any sense.  
It's kind of like if we had a "radiation control" category covering anything  
that has anything to do with invisible, non-infrared radiation (including  
radio/microwave communication, microwave ovens, and nuclear power plants).  
Just because you can find some way to put several things into the same  
category doesn't mean you should.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here


Thanks Salman.

I don't understand how can I add webserice in this file.
Can you give me an example please?
I need a teacher :-D

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does no insider disclose the non libre computer software?

2017-04-20 Thread enduzzer

Assume this: all general statements you encounter that are formulated using  
“intellectual property” will be false.


Every time I hear the words 'Intellectual Property' I reach for my Browning!

[Trisquel-users] Re : Has anyone ever flashed a replicant phone before?

2017-04-20 Thread pinmaritim


Yes, thanks Ignacio, know i remember having used ClockWorkMod too ;-)

[Trisquel-users] Re : Why does no insider disclose the non libre computer software?

2017-04-20 Thread lcerf


See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here


> In Flidas (Trisquel 8), webservice option in tasksel does not appear.

You should edit this file:

https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/blob/flidas/helpers/make-tasksel

There's no need to import it from Debian. One should fix the bug.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here

2017-04-20 Thread pinmaritim


Hi Lightmoon, i think you mentioned GLAMP Stack somewhere no ?

(The last time i used T8 i noticed that, but other fonctionilities where  
missing too such as "console environnement"but there was the APACHE, MySQL,  
PHP where available in the repos..note that Ubiquity was not yet "polished"  
so this is maybe an explaiantion, may you check the repo, package for GLAMP  
stack )


Hope this helps ;-)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here


Hi Mangy Dog.

I can install GLAMP server without tasksel, but I think that using tasksel  
the users can install it in one step.


;-)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wanna start contributing code? Ask your question here


Hi Salman.

>Why do you want to do that?

In Flidas (Trisquel 8), webservice option in tasksel does not appear.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does no insider disclose the non libre computer software?

2017-04-20 Thread infinityfallen

>Personally, I don't think intellectual property or software patents deserve  
ANY RESPECT WHATSOEVER!


I largely agree with you here, but- just to be pedantic- aren't software  
patents a type of 'intellectual property' anyway? Regardless, it may also be  
worthy of note that we guard 'intellectual property' here in the free  
software community, in the form of protecting the copyright on works to keep  
them free ('copyleft'). Of course, you may disagree with this practice, or  
its ethics. However, I think the issue here is more that the function of  
intellectual property- to force one's ideas about how a work should be used  
onto others- can be right or wrong, depending on the specifics of a given  
situation. That said, it's censorship nonetheless- and it must be treated as  
such in considering its ethics.


>seriously... that's what allows people to abuse copyright for 70+ years and  
that's after the original creator is dead.


Unfortunately, a few thousand dollars and infamous mice go a long way in  
world politics.


>bs... the author doesn't care only the company does...

If you were referring to the above sentence, I'm not sure there IS anything  
to add. In a more general context, however, there are sadly more  
complexities. As an author, artist, or other person in a creative career,  
making money is obviously very difficult- or very easy, if you reach the  
highest ranks. For those at the bottom, the (financial) situation can often  
be very precarious. Although I can't provide any evidence, it would seem  
reasonable that a broken, tested system would be preferable to a superior but  
unknown (in the modern-day world) system for such people. For those at the  
top, the current system is obviously no apparent impediment- and, in a  
typical elitist attitude, that's all that matters.


>I understand the reasons for why we shouldn't leak anything, due to  
punishment from law enforcement, etc,


Does punishment from law enforcement justify not leaking though? It's  
obviously something that should be taken into consideration, but legality and  
morality are two different things.


>but the fact of the matter is, COPYRIGHT PATENTS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!

If I may ask, was 'COPYRIGHT PATENTS' a single entity or two things meant to  
be joined by 'and'? I may be misunderstanding here, but copyright and patents  
are two different forms of 'intellectual property', covering separate things  
in separate ways. Regardless, they most certainly should be (although how the  
GPL would then work I don't know).


>especially considering all the proprietary malfeatures such as being locked  
in, being spied on, deceived, have your info sold for money, etc...


These are problematic indeed, but it's doubtful how much they have to do with  
copyright or patents. Besides the proliferation of proprietary book-, music-,  
and movie-access platforms, and the occasional software patent banning libre  
software, these are just an extra lawsuit or two for a leaker to live  
through. The big issues are trade secrets, for the developers, and EULAs (for  
any computer user). These keep the source code hidden and make use of the  
final product a game of legality-based hopscotch.


>If you want a piece of software something that can be emulated with free  
software but it costs money and has malfeatures, screw the people who add  
those malfeatures, do it your way not their way. Meaning, download it.


What exactly is the kind of software you had in mind here? I infer you mean  
something like game console emulation, but can't quite tell. In any case,  
absolutely true. It probably is much better to stay clear of such software  
entirely- many malfeatures are intricately integrated with features in such a  
way that liberation doesn't help, and running unnecessary proprietary  
software is not ideal- but when the choice is not yours, definitely download.  
That said, there are two things to consider here:


*If the software requires an Internet connection... it should be obvious.  
Either run in a VM with no internet (if possible), pay for the software, or  
just say "No!". It's always worth a try!


*No matter what, write an (anonymous) message to the developer stating what  
what you have done, and why. Don't take the anonymity lightly, but they  
deserve/need to know that at least one 'pirate' isn't merely a digital  
shoplifter.


>I mean the dmca only punishes the uploaders not the downloaders right?

Perhaps, but the downloader is not legally innocent anyway- their safety is  
because companies find suing uploaders pays higher dividends. Here, as  
always, a healthy dose of anonymity pays greatly for all involved (except the  
litigators).


>If I am wrong you may enlighten me but that's my theory.
The same here- although read the P.S. before discussing the term  
'intellectual property', please.


P.S. I've used the term 'intellectual property' throughout. I'm fully aware  
of the arguments against it, and that

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is there a good free alternative to Mendeley?

2017-04-20 Thread gromobir


Docear (http://www.docear.org/) is nice.

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> Are package helpers just shell commands?
Yes.

> What are package helpers written in?
Bash.

> What is the strategy for using package helpers aside from other methods?
What do you mean by strategy?

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Sorry I don't understand what you mean. You wanna add a webservice to  
tasksel? Why do you want to do that?

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