Re: [Trisquel-users] How to spread computing freedom?

2018-01-05 Thread onpon4
I think people are better off using Microsoft Office than Google Docs. And what are you going to tell them? "I don't recommend this Web service, but use it anyway, here, I'll teach you how to use it"? I don't think it makes sense.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-05 Thread onpon4
> that's never my own fault if my English skills are bad, instead those bad educational systems are liable to this. How is your activism in Cantonese going?

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to spread computing freedom?

2018-01-05 Thread fbits
How is switching from MS Office to Google Docs is simpler than switching to LibreOffice*? It sounds like jumping from the frying pan into the fire. Not only are they both proprietary products, they're also both owned by corporations that practice monopoly control whenever they can. If

Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-05 Thread sigdpsy
But Palemoon is not free software.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk 2.0 XFCE Edition Released

2018-01-05 Thread niyaschirayakuth
Hmm, I used google URL's to measure effectiveness of link. Did n't think of privacy part though. Including plain URL's here. - http://www.distroscreens.com/2018/01/uruk-20-xfce-edition-screenshots.html - http://theopensourcefeed.com/uruk-20-xfce-edition-is-available-now/

[Trisquel-users] Free/Libre Hybrid Mobile App Framework?

2018-01-05 Thread khanhduongdv
Ionic and React Native are famous hybrid app frameworks. They are qualified as "open source" as their license is MIT but I'm not sure if they are fully free. They are not listed on the Free Software Directory. I hardly find any discussion about them within the free software community.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-05 Thread eloi . igor
I am currently using Palemoon. Can't complain so far... Works pretty well. Maybe you would like to give it a try?

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to spread computing freedom?

2018-01-05 Thread bob
To clarify "try Google Docs" is meant to be a precursor to "try LibreOffice now you know you can use something other than Microsoft Office. Like it? Switch to that!". But I'm aware not everyone is going to agree with the suggestion, particularly on this forum(!). But my thought behind it

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to spread computing freedom?

2018-01-05 Thread fbits
"give Google Docs a try so you can get used to using something unfamiliar" then it can start people on that track Why would you want people to get started on the track to transition from MS Office to Google Docs?

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to spread computing freedom?

2018-01-05 Thread bob
I agree. :) However, there's usually a limit to how much change people are happy to go through at once. Someone who's running Windows because it's pre-installed, MS Office because that's all they've ever used and Edge because "the little blue e is the internet" it's doubtful they're going

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Google the biggest, most successful proprietary software company ever?

2018-01-05 Thread Cassandra of Troy
Well, I didn't REALLY think you picked up an AK47 and said, "Ladies and gentleman, this is an educated college professional who does not carry a smartphone. If nobody loses their head, then nobody loses their head. Simon says, everybody get down on the floor except for.you sir, you can do the

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS, the free software community and cognitive dissonance

2018-01-05 Thread arielgnu
In the following fsf article it is explained that bios used not to be such a big problem since it was stored in ROM: http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html I understand this by comparing it to software on some electronics like a CD player or a microwave. Sure, know days with the

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS, the free software community and cognitive dissonance

2018-01-05 Thread J.B. Nicholson
rolandcoeurj...@gmail.com wrote: Stallman says he refuses to install proprietary software. When did he change his mind? Why was it OK to use a computer before libreboot appeared? He probably never changed his mind about what was ethical (how should people treat other people?) but

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-05 Thread hd-scania
I am anyway unable to be restart the English tutoring, which in my place the educational systems are failed to commit the educational basics, that's never my own fault if my English skills are bad, instead those bad educational systems are liable to this. I don't have time to tell you how to

Re: [Trisquel-users] i'm Thinking about doing a free software Community(Forum)

2018-01-05 Thread leestrobel
> I imagine the driving thing behind that is the young people of today seeming to live inside the web browser and deeming everything outside of it to be verboten. As I suggested in my post above, your average web user is inherently impatient and munches on web pages like candy. A casual

Re: [Trisquel-users] i'm Thinking about doing a free software Community(Forum)

2018-01-05 Thread leestrobel
I think there are several reasons why mailing lists are less accessible to new users than a forum. The sorts of users I am thinking of here are less computer-savvy users than you or me (or most free-software supporters). I would think that an 'average' internet user has at least some

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to spread computing freedom?

2018-01-05 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
The problem is that is better to do the computing with free software in your computer that in a web server. In fact it is the only way to retain your freedom in computing.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to start contribute

2018-01-05 Thread smirnov . dmitri
Thank you for your detailed answer, it is very useful for me. Of course I continue to work at my job as senior web-developers in current company where I work. Because I have family who depends on me. But I want to deal with Free Software for my soul not for money.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to spread computing freedom?

2018-01-05 Thread bob
For the average Joe that only needs to check email, edit some documents and watch YouTube you could also help them towards web applications instead of locally installed versions. If everything they do is through a browser any way, the underlying operating system would be unimportant.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to start contribute

2018-01-05 Thread bob
One way is to join the Free Software Foundation as an associate member: https://www.fsf.org/associate/ Not only would you be contributing financially to people doing great work, but it often leads people towards IRC and XMPP chats with people who might have some ideas for you. But the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-05 Thread dhood
Chromium is not supported because it is a complex collection of different pieces, some of which are not free, and cannot be easily parced out because each version is different. There are other Webkit browsers though: Flakon (Qupzilla), Surf, Web, Midori, and Konqueror.

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS, the free software community and cognitive dissonance

2018-01-05 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
Thank you, that was a very good answer.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hot news - Major flaw in Intel CPUs

2018-01-05 Thread leestrobel
This is a great reply - thank you for providing these details. Yes, I agree that Spectre seems to be a big concern for free computing. Does anyone know what the implications may be for the EOMA68 project? I assume POWER9 isn't affected, as I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere?

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS, the free software community and cognitive dissonance

2018-01-05 Thread Mason Hock
> Having a PayPal button in GNU, FSF and Trisquel. There are some people who may have recently discovered the free software movement, agree with its goals, and want to donate, but have not completed the difficult process of reducing the power of proprietary software over their lives and

[Trisquel-users] Web Browser

2018-01-05 Thread sigdpsy
In Trisquel, firefox alternative-> IceCat. But What is the alternative of Chromium? Chromium is not a free software?

Re: [Trisquel-users] i'm Thinking about doing a free software Community(Forum)

2018-01-05 Thread dhood
What would be more useful is if the various free software projects provided their own forums that they maintained within the value set of their project. Right now there are many projects that don't do a very good job supporting their users or products and they end up here where less help is

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS, the free software community and cognitive dissonance

2018-01-05 Thread onpon4
RMS just tries to be an example of the most ideal possibility. As for Debian and Ubuntu, RMS did say that Debian was close to recommendable before Ututo was recognized as 100% libre, but there's no need for that now because GNU FSDG distros are better (in the FSF's opinion).

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS, the free software community and cognitive dissonance

2018-01-05 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
Then Debian and Ubuntu should be approved FSF distros because they offer the option to install only free software. Stallman says he refuses to install proprietary software. When did he change his mind? Why was it OK to use a computer before libreboot appeared? Is there any guidelines as to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel does not recognize Kinesis keyboard.

2018-01-05 Thread andre
Returned the keyboard to the vendor.

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS, the free software community and cognitive dissonance

2018-01-05 Thread onpon4
Having a PayPal button as a secondary option for supporting them doesn't require cognitive dissonance. They support ways of supporting them that don't require proprietary software use, too. The proprietary bootloader doesn't require cognitive dissonance because using proprietary software

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-05 Thread onpon4
> If there are things "(being) made of nonsense" or "not (being) made of sense", then I am sadly unsure which prepositions are proper. I don't have time to tell you how to write properly. You need to find a tutor who is fluent in both Cantonese (your native language) and English. I'm only

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-05 Thread onpon4
I'm aware of this; I just didn't explain it properly. Both usages I was referring to should have been "a", not "an". "hour" and "honor" both start with vowel sounds.

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS, the free software community and cognitive dissonance

2018-01-05 Thread fbits
I don't think anyone can speak on behalf of RMS or the FS community. I can only speak for myself. By recognizing that we live in an imperfect world, using ideals as a compass, and trying to carefully weigh the positive and negative consequences of my actions. I think we can strive to live

[Trisquel-users] RMS, the free software community and cognitive dissonance

2018-01-05 Thread rolandcoeurjoly
How does Richard Stallman and the free software community deal with the cognitive dissonance associated with the following behaviors? Having a PayPal button in GNU, FSF and Trisquel. Using a proprietary bootloader (before switching to libreboot. Just curious.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-05 Thread hd-scania
Parabola, Trisquel, Uruk, Hyperbola refuses to load iwlwifi firmware, sure to be Linux-libre kernel. Devuan auto lodas iwlwifi firmware but also installs the system with iwlwifi, sure to be nonfree Linux kernel. However, Debian asks to install iwlwifi firmware packages and due to this needs

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-05 Thread hd-scania
Yes "an" follows sounds of vowels but doesn't follow letters, so we say "an hour" and "an honour".

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-05 Thread hd-scania
(1) If there are things "(being) made of nonsense" or "not (being) made of sense", then I am sadly unsure which prepositions are proper. (2) I clearly understand what are problematic in the Debian's "contrib" pools, but you should be unclear what my "nonfree integrations" are, and yes this

[Trisquel-users] How to start contribute

2018-01-05 Thread smirnov . dmitri
Greetings friends! Recently I got inspired by FSF movement. Really good ideas which are really close to me. I work about 15 years as web-developer, but recently this web-development stuff became very commercialized. There already tons of the crappy programming experience and infinite

Re: [Trisquel-users] Writing my ‘common distros’ for us in 2018

2018-01-05 Thread Caleb Herbert
onpon4 wrote: > "An" is only used when the following word begins with a vowel. I think this needs clarification. "An" is used before vowel SOUNDS, not necessarily the letters themselves. The word "uniform" starts with a vowel, but we actually say "a uniform". See also: "It's a Unix system, I

Re: [Trisquel-users] i'm Thinking about doing a free software Community(Forum)

2018-01-05 Thread Caleb Herbert
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