It's "planned for Trisquel 8", as the website says.
No. There is, for example, no free software support for 802.11ac. And so:
This is the point where you must choose between getting a new router and
using free software on it or keeping your existing router and using
proprietary software on it.
First, get some chopsticks. That's where it starts:
https://stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html
One is not simply "told" how to be a hacker...
Hey, he's the only sysadmin left at the FSF. I imagine that makes him very
busy, without much free time. That in itself is reason that "he has put
Trisquel 8 on hold and isn't doing the Freedom Fridays anymore." Has nothing
to do with him being "guilty" or "innocent" but more as a fact of
Hello, please don't use proprietary software. For your freedom's sake.
For Tomato:
Backend: GNU General Public License
Frontend: Proprietary
Anyway, these are not the forums of the Tomato Project. Please contact the
Tomato project questions about Tomato.
The Trisquel community guidelines
There's a lot of stuff going around. Not all of it is factually correct.
It claims Richard Stallman refused to let libreboot go, but I have been
reading the archives of the gnu-prog-discuss mailing list. Stallman has not
said anything at all.
A few GNU contributors said things. They don't
Indeed. hack and hack, there's nothing special about a "server." It's just a
computer running some programs, nothing more.
" I can't change that, only my ISP can, but it wouldn't bother doing it for a
home Internet user."
I guess my ISP is nice then: They did a reverse DNS sub-delegation so I
control forward and backward DNS resolution. All from a small "mom and pop"
ISP that allows servers in their TOS and
"I thought it was just "cis.""
It's cisgender, or cis for short: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender
Calling it "cis normal" implies that being cisgendered is normal and that (by
extension) transgendered is not, so I don't think that's the right term to
use.
"Ruben was named by LR as someone engaging in discrimination"
Nope. Once again it's important to keep things in the context of what is
being claimed.
On https://libreboot.org/gnu/ Leah doesn't say exactly what each of the named
people are claimed to have actually done, and just lumps
And notice that the target was quietly changed. Originally libreboot.org/gnu
claimed "a transgender employee at the FSF was being harassed" but here in
this thread t3g has quietly turned that into Leah Rowe. Some facts:
1. Leah is not and has never been employed by the FSF. Their list of
I suspect that Rubén didn't have the time to continue them. But now that the
FSF is down to one sysadmin (Rubén himself) I doubt that he will have even
less time now, at least until a replacement sysadmin is hired.
" So is it true that libreboot leaves the gnu project?"
Yes, Leah says she removed it from the GNU Project. That can be seen in her
message although https://www.gnu.org/software/ still says it's a GNU Package
but perhaps that just hasn't been updated. Although that question seems
And now the FSF makes an official statement:
https://www.fsf.org/news/free-software-foundation-statement
Evidence to the contrary:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00052.html
No; I've never experienced this. My Trisquel with full disk encryption and
LVM works just fine.
The error was about the missing 32-bit loader, not about the program you were
trying to run (which clearly did exist.) It's a hard to fix shortcoming in
the OS that only the error is returned, and not that the error actually
concerns a different file from the one you're trying to run.
"how much can I charge for my services documenting libre software?"
That depends on what you think you can get. Gotta negotiate.
Yes, you're right - LibreWRT and libreCMC are both based on OpenWRT. LibreWRT
and libreCMC merged together because it made sense to have 1 libre fork of
OpenWRT instead of two different groups working on essentially the same goal.
"Is libreCMC still under active development?"
Yes.
"the last release from last year."
What?! No it's not. Version 1.3.4 came out two months ago in July:
https://librecmc.org/librecmc/downloads/snapshots/v1.3.4/ar71xx/luci/
You should visit their IRC channel. It's quite active. Some people
"please ignore"
No, absolutely not! :)
Indeed. Set up a GNU/Linux box with Postfix with handle SMTP, Dovecot for POP
and IMAP, and something for webmail. (I use Usermin for webmail
http://webmin.com/usermin.html because it's so easily integrated with the
rest of the system.) Add in procmail and SpamAssassin for anti-spam stuff
It would have been good to have factored in some money to go toward graphics
from the crowdfunding. Perhaps something similar to what was done Novena for
Novena: https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/novena/updates/1028
Since I understand that the campaign doesn't actually end once the
Why not email him and ask? torva...@linux-foundation.org. It is probably
something very old because that picture is old: Linus looks young and the
LinuxWorld conference (from his shirt) hasn't been a thing for a long time.
Depends on your paranoia level. Some people seem to be of the opinion that it
is capable of being turned on remotely and used to watch you. As a result
some will cover them with tape while others remove them entirely. I think the
whole thing is a bunch of nonsense. The only instances I've
"I was just providing a link to macchanger, that would have prevented what
you described previously"
So would following the instructions on the libreboot website and not just
going with the built-in MAC address. :)
"Since it is a unique identifier, it can be used to track you while on the
internet"
This seems a little hyperbolical. A website you are accessing on the internet
(like, say, fsf.org) has no access to your MAC address. The place you're
connecting to from would be able to know it so a
Thank you for another great update, Rubén! As promised I have donated $50 to
the Trisquel project for this update. Who else will join me?
Even if you can't do $50 please consider setting some amount that you can
afford and join in. Long live Trisquel!
There are many licenses, not all of which are free.
https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/blob/master/license_thirdparty_proprietary.txt
This is not a good idea people. Two libreboot people doing that meet up, use
the same network, and get their network interfaces shutdown because duplicate
MAC addresses were found on the network. Think it's not likely? Imagine the
FSF's yearly Libreplanet conference just as an example. Or
Not all of the Helpers pull packages from Ubuntu.
Magic Banana is thinking of the version of Trisquel that comes on the FSF's
membership card not the normal version of Trisquel.
That's newer and didn't exist at the time the decision to use Ubuntu was
made.
"Why would you think its obvious?"
Because it has worked that way with every single past version of Trisquel
ever: You can upgrade from one version to the version immediately after that
one. Skipping versions is not supported so if you were on an old Trisquel
you'd need to first upgrade
"The installer, while only enabling "main", will ask for certain firmware on
removable media that a driver might demand, if that firmware is nonfree, and
not included in the Debian installer. I can confirm that this behaviour
occurs when an Intel wireless card is installed, and I assume this
"I am not sure what this update means."
Fundamentally important things like the environments to compile Trisquel 8
now exist. It's now possible to build a very rough system, although it can't
boot because important packages like GRUB do not exist yet. Also, more work
is still needed to
Thank you for another great update, Rubén! As promised I have donated $50 to
the Trisquel project for this update. Who else will join me?
Even if you can't do $50 please consider setting some amount that you can
afford and join in. Long live Trisquel!
Only so long as these programs written in JavaScript are free. Even then
metadata still gets leaked like how many times you go to the site, when,
where from, and etc. And if they're truly running only on the person's
computer then it seems clunky to be getting them from a web browser in the
"Is there a reason why neovim is not within Trisquel's repo?"
Because Ubuntu doesn't have it? Not all distros can necessarily package all
programs. There will always be someone that comes along and asks why some
program isn't there. :)
Feel free to help contribute by packaging it for
Some places, like Indiegogo, support what they fall "flexible funding
campaigns" which don't have this "all or nothing" rule.
There isn't one yet. It is way too early. In this development update Rubén
just made the kernel that allows for the build jails to get made so that the
software can start getting compiled. An ISO won't exist until much later...
"Isn't the script just the script from Linux-libre?"
No. The Linux-libre script only works with the vanilla kernel from
kernel.org. Canonical's kernel is heavily modified. Go grab the Linux-libre
deblob scripts, the ubuntu kernel source, and run the de-blob script. It dies
immediately,
Thank you, Rubén!
As promised I have donated $50 to the Trisquel project for this update.
Will anyone join me?
Even if you can't do $50 please consider setting some amount that you can
afford and join in. Long live Trisquel!
VLC and Westnoth may not be the best examples because they do get security
updates (An example being VLC version 2.1.6-0ubuntu14.04.2 and Westnoth
1:1.10.7-1ubuntu0.14.04.1, both of are available from security despite living
in Universe.) Keep in mind security doesn't mean the latest
And in doing so, the main server gets overloaded while the mirrors sit idle.
Please use a mirror, people!
This looks like an official publication of the FSF. Please don't use
trademarked logos without permission.
Ah ha! Good to know, thanks!
Thank you, Rubén!
To help raise money for Trisquel I have decided that I will donate $50 to the
Trisquel project each time you post one of these development updates. I
encourage everyone to join in!
Even if you can't do $50 please consider setting some amount that you can
afford and join
Hmmm. There is only one keyring package, all packages depend on the same one,
and it's in the repository already. To see the packages in the 32-bit
repository:
http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/dists/freesh/main/binary-i386/Packages
freesh-keyring is listed first. If you
Well, the updated version of 4.7 is in the repository. And so?
I am compiling a new version of 4.7 to try. More to come...
What do you see in logs? What graphics card do you have?
"Sure it' more reliable"
An HDD would probably not survive a drop from, say, a desk (especially if
it's running.) Something using flash memory would be more resilient to such a
thing. So it depends on the definition of "reliable", LOL. :)
The GNU+Linux From Scratch system provide their own support channels. You may
have better luck there: http://linuxfromscratch.org/support.html
"The fsf receives every year a substantial amount of money as an income."
Ha! I don't know which FSF you're looking at. $450,000 (okay, they ended at
$461,000 at their last fundraiser)? For a staff of 12 people? That works out
to about $38,416 per person. That's not a lot in the U.S. And
Teach about free software and campaigning for various issues is also
important. And how do the other FSF-endorsed distros feel over that if the
FSF were to say "we'll hire someone to work on Trisquel but sorry Parabola
and Guix you lose! Suckers!!! LOL..." I think they'd feel like a
"Is that the problem?"
That would be one.
More generally: https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html#Debian
Your question of the installer is even mentioned there. "However, the problem
partly remains: the installer in some cases recommends these nonfree firmware
files for the
Can the FSF afford to? They also have limited resources and much that needs
doing on their own. Have you looked at their financial statements? They're
very lean. It's amazing that they accomplish as much as they do. It's a
testament to the quality and dedication of the people they hire.
"That email you quoted is from Chris."
Just as a point of order to correct the record: The message in question was
forwarded by Koz Ross and seems to have originally been written by lkcl (Luke
Leighton), not Chris. Although Chris was CC'd on the message.
Not with free software, no.
I don't seem to see any information on the graphics part of things. I am
concerned that something like Mali may be in use. Can you please speak to
that?
People are trying to make your computer better.
https://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel/package-helpers/commit/23e5a157774f0f696ae70c13a63d9a5fe6075de1
Yay!!!
It is still very incomplete, just the first step for development.
"People have asked for updated Trisquel 7 ISOs to be more in line with the
Ubuntu 14.04.x ones that fix issues and such. It never happened."
Step up and help make it happen then. Don't be part of the peanut gallery
that sits back and yells for other people to do stuff and then get unhappy
It's supposed to includes what's on the installation ISO, not all of
Trisquel.
If you want the source code of a particular package do apt-get source foo,
where foo is the name of the source package. Note that the binary and source
package names may be different. If you want the source code
From #trisquel about an hour ago:
< quidam> I'm taking friday off for the next 2 months, to work on Trisquel 8
< quidam> I hope to have a debootstrapable system ready by today
"still, is there a point to keep /boot encrypted?"
An unencrypted boot partition opens the possibility for someone to be able to
install malicious software, since it can be read from and written to without
any problem. Perhaps they'll replace the kernel with a modified version
containing a
"I have tried using dd, which produced an ISO that I couldn't get to work
properly"
dd isn't for making an ISO. It just reads the device. It would be helpful to
know more specifics about the DVD in question. What format is it in
currently? What is the directory layout (like is there a
Indeed. Their post shows much confusion over various topics and conflating
different things together. Despite this it is still possible to suss enough
out that they are not committed to having an 100% free OS:
"An entirely free system according to the definition of the FSF and GNU does
not
I don't know. Their message shows confusion on several fundamental topics
though.
"But Syllable is free"
Of charge perhaps but they seem to have very interesting views:
http://forum.syllable.org/viewtopic.php?p=8201=d6e06f2ffe9577dc8ce55ff0e81be87b
No it's not. Trisquel is released roughly every 2 years. Please don't expect
8 until closer to the end of 2016. Possibly not even until 2017.
This is why I say Sunday, July 18, 2106. Now those professionals have
something to put on the calendar. (And when Trisquel 8 ships decades before
that date they can be happy and say "Wow - Shipping in advance of a deadline
- How awesome!" (And I wonder what those professionals do for other
Hear hear! Plus, if we figure a release (roughly) every two years it's not
even been two years since version 7 came out. So 8 shouldn't even be on the
radar until late 2016. Possibly even 2017...
Yep, and that's not until their problems are fixed: Last time it was
evaluated the installer doesn't actually install LibertyBSD. It installs
OpenBSD instead!
http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnu-linux-libre/2016-02/msg1.html
has a link to a screenshot.
They replied saying they'd
They come from vendors. For example:
https://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2015/12/10/the-linux-vendor-firmware-service-welcomes-dell/
But yes, your point is valid regardless of who it comes from. Time for free
firmware!
https://jxself.org/free-firmware.shtml
"it requires non-free code (additional firmware or a key or whatever) from
the vendor in order to work?"
Yep. If you do a diff of Linux and Linux-libre you can see the actual
changes. One of them below. Goodbye binary firmware!
/* Firmware Names */
-#define FIRMWARE_TONGA
I like it. Lots of action. Maybe a small amount more at the beginning about
the motivation behind the story and why Tux is trying to put an end to the
Snow King's reign? It's the only suggestion I've got.
"What I don't understand is how this can threaten the GPL?"
It can't and doesn't. The article is a bunch of rubbish.
"The GPL is a detailed legal document that lays out exactly what the user of
the licensed software agrees to. "copyright" is a more general category. Fair
use is a more
Indeed, and you could even get creative.
For example: Imagine hooking up a vintage telephone booth to an ATA adapter.
"This is a unique large, mid century American telephone booth with a wood
body, glass sliding door, and a vent on top. When the door is closed, a light
automatically turns
"where I can hook up an actual phone and receive and send calls."
So what you want is something called an Analog telephone adapter:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_telephone_adapter and then use a program
like Asterisk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterisk_%28PBX%29) - which is
in
I was trying to be quiet until I'd looked into this more but since you are
disappointed I will say that I may make some. I made a bunch of levels for
KGoldrunner (https://jxself.org/git/?p=kxp.git) and it might be nice to try a
different game. No promises though because I haven't yet
Yes. Perhaps a final admission that their goal was impossible. They've gone
from "we can do this" to "Intel please do this."
Intel will ignore any such petition.
I use Trisquel for servers for many years just fine. I definitely recommend
it over other GNU/Linux distros! For adding other repos, BEWARE! The
challenge with going to other places is that they've not been reviewed &
vetted by the Trisquel team as being free of freedom problems (even small,
I'm not sure you're providing enough information. It would be helpful to say
how you go about disabling it and what happens when you try to turn it on
again. For example: You go to Tools, Add-ons, and then...? It should be as
easy as clicking the Enable button. Or is LibreJS not shown there
Yes, I know. I'm talking of the general advice because dd is not a
general-purpose ISO-making program so I am throwing that caution out there
for people.
"The ISO is the bit for bit data on the disk"
Not exactly. It's supposed to be an ISO 9660 file system. So dd if=/dev/sda
of=hdd.iso would not be an ISO image (because /dev/sda for me is ext4.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660
"does it make the raspberry pi 3 a free software computer?"
No, because the firmware is incomplete. It's not even able to boot the kernel
yet. Perhaps in time, if things are sufficiently developed later on... we'll
see. But for now? No, nothing has changed.
Point 1 can be addressed by changing the script.
For point 2, while the script always outputs passwords of the same length
(unless changed) that wouldn't stop someone from remembering "Oh, on this box
they require the password to only be 8 characters" and so only using the
first 8
While there is a difference in how Canonical and the Debian Project are
handling this: Canonical, as we all know, has it pre-compiled while the
Debian Project provides source code that is compiled when someone installs
the package. This difference doesn't actually matter.
I'll call what
Sigh, no, the reporting on this is terrible. Isn't it great when people
trying to mislead don't have press skills?
It's easy: In the netinstall select "Use entire disk and set up encrypted
LVM" (or words to that effect.) And Ta Da, everything is encrypted except for
/boot. That can't be unless you have libreboot because proprietary BIOSes do
not normally include supported for reading encrypted boot
Every time this question is asked the release date is pushed out 4 more
years. ;)
It is now Sunday, July 18, 2106. ;)
"It was a passing comment. It was admitted as much in another forum."
Not exactly. I said "Indeed" indicating agreement with onpon4 that the
initial comment came from me and went on to say that I probably jumped the
gun by mentioning it because it seems to have become quite the topic of
"It's a bug, Dave."
https://libreboot.org/faq/#epochfail
Is libreboot being used?
OggConvert is a mature program and doesn't get many releases. That doesn't
mean it's unmaintained though. Rather it falls into the class of programs
that have accomplished what they set out to do. Much like procmail, which
hasn't had a release since 2001. It is stable and complete: They
Regarding alleged freedom zero violations:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/imperfection-isnt-oppression.en.html
Another option: When the installer gets to the point where it asks to install
GRUB, say no. It then asks for where to install it. Tell it /dev/sdb. GRUB is
then installed to the correct device and it boots just fine.
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