Personal preference, I prefer fresh installs as in place upgrades can have
unplanned surprises.
Great job! Downloading mini version for wifes 12 year old Gateway latpop, I
prefer fresh installs over upgrades.
I will also test-run the main version on the desktop.
she uses the standard browser (abrowser), and usually has lots of tabs open,
she loves her tabs... no problems, temp. usually stays in the 55C range,
sometimes goes to 60, not too bad. it suits her needs which is mainly web
surfing, online research, online videos etc.
Trisquel 7 mini on wifes laptop, Slackware/SalixOS on Desktop, Debian 9 on
other pc.
I came across this regarding cock.li.
http://heavy.com/news/2015/12/cockli-cockmail-email-server-los-angeles-new-york-schools-threat-hoax-message-madbomber-8chan-anonymous-suspect-subpoena-meme-troll-credible-lausd/
yes, Libre software/firmware.
Happy New Year Everyone!
Thank you magic, I will look into this.
I recall in the past this being available somewhere, perhaps ThinkPenguin,
but I am unable to locate it. Any ideas? I remember it looking similar to
an iPod but was FOSS.
Wonderful background!
Sure it is stable in that sense, I meant "officially". Also, I was mistaken,
it is considered Beta now: "Welcome to Devuan Jessie 1.0 Beta2".
Ref: https://devuan.org/
Devuan is still alpha, also no guarantee they will be around in a few years.
The Devuan dev.'s actually want Debian to merge the two groups together to
offer choice of init. So long term Devuan is no guarantee. IMO.
Awesome Job! I like all of them.
Just a question of prop. wifi driver or not. All should be good. Worse case
scenario you can pick up a wifi dongle here:
https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/wireless-networking-gnulinux
"Yes, a "Debian Libre" distribution sounds sensible. Why didn't I think of
this before?"
Round and Round we go.
You were told this already, its called gNewSense, it is Debian Libre or a
Liberated Debian. Contact them via iirc and their mailing list and have fun
with it. The lead dev.
If you want a Libre OS that is based on Ubuntu then use Trisquel.
If you want a Libre OS that is based on Debian then use gNewSense.
Each has its merits, each has its reasons for choosing the distro they are
based on.
There are a few official FSF/Libre distros and a more distros that are
Excellent list.
Nano is a very good editor for cli...I also like geany.
you nailed it. Thank You.
How many times do you plan to repeat yourself?
You are making a very easy distinction complex. Debian in its current form
is not libre. It is Debian that would need to make changes to meet that
standard, stop hosting non-free and contrib, remove recommendations and
instructions on how to enable them, etc... You are advocating for FSF
Trisquel is what it is and its a distro for those who value the ethics of
libre software and more current software, neither too old or too bleeding
edge. gNewSense and Parabola fit the other ends of the spectrum.
Sorry, but it will most likely never be a distro for the masses. Its more of
I think your best bet, if trying to avoid systemd, is to use a distro that
does not have it and is committed to not having it, rather than trying to
remove it from a distro that is tightly connected to it and has it as a
dependency for many programs. It is going to get harder not easier for
They just discovered an even larger hit
https://www.yahoo.com/news/yahoo-says-hackers-stole-information-221214183.html
True Superalas this day and age video tutorials serve well. :)
I have that manual printed and stored in a folder on desk. hehe
Salman, I would like to offer assistance with the wiki and other roles are
possible as well. ;)
Here is an interesting list...have to check to see if they are Libre as well.
https://alternativeto.net/software/skype/?license=opensource
Forgot to add that the video is using Windows, however, the tips apply
equally to GNU/Linux version. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xToShZMC-6c
Radeon support as described above!
Nickman, first you should be commended for your interest in Free/Libre
software and the willingness to place that interest on the table so to speak
by actually using a distro that is committed to those freedoms. 8)
As already mentioned, virtualization is a great option, although some people
Hello allafter over a year away from the forum/distro, I am back to using
Trisquel. Look forward to v.8, however, v7 is still working well.
Cheers.
;)
I know a few people that work on cruise ships (Disney and Norwegian) and they
like it alot.
What ever distro you decide to use (nod towards Trisquel), perhaps you could
volunteer some time with Business Admin. tasks as well. I'm sure Ruben would
appreciate it.
Parabola is nice, just keep in mind that rolling release requires attention
and care with regards to updatesalways read the changelog on website
(latest news section) first or you will be bitten sooner or later. I've been
there and done that, bleeding edge is fun but as you get older
Oh Jade, not agreeing with evidence provided does not make the evidence any
less valid.
Also, conspiracies stop being a theory, when they become a fact. Was Snowden
a Conspiracy Theorist, how about Assange.
LOL, great picture and excellent point! Did you make it?
Beginning to think that some people want to turn this forum into a Carry on
folks, nothing to see here kind of forum.
Interesting, how it is ok to question Canonical on their spyware, but you
cannot question sysytemd or SELinux or
That is what I meant. :)
Jade and Onpon,
A theory is not a fact, the very nature of a theory (scientific or otherwise)
is a conjecture, that most likely points to the truth but is as yet
unprovable, thereby it is not yet a fact. Reference the many theories that
are accepted as fact even though they remain
Did you read the links?
Never said systemd or SELinux was spyware. That reference was to the
Unity/Ubuntu search features, and the label was by Stallman, not me.
Hi Jade, you beat me to it. :)
Oct. 6, 2014.
Note in the comment section how many people Pottering blocked just because
they raised questions regarding systemd. Similar attitude of some in this
forum unfortunately.
Interesting post from one of the top Linux kernel developers regarding
Pottering and systemd. Comments are interesting as well.
https://plus.google.com/+StevenRostedt/posts/WtGhnM4jVoP
Be careful, posting things like this on here, has been known to have people
label you a Conspiracy Theorist.
And yes, it appears that Google does work for them Seems alot of companies
do anymore.
It is very naive to think that Malicious features simply do not thrive in
libre software.
More difficult, perhaps, impossible, not by the least. There are many
vulnerabilities in any given software. And yes, Libre, open source software
can be created with the explicit intention to create
For starters, the official SELinux handbook is hosted by and maintained by
the NSA. Also, not the above post in response to onpon, regarding the
OpenSSH debacle being created by SELinux.
Systems that did not have it installed or enabled were fine.
Well, all I can say to both of you is, wow!
As the old saying goes...you can take a horse to water but you can't make it
drink...unless of course its cool-aid, and then its obvious when people drink
that.
Anyway, it was enjoyable, and perhaps others will read up on it, and learn as
well.
Oh, this just keeps getting funnier.
The partnership as a part of the settlement over patents and only patents
(again why GPL is a great creation, it avoids this nonsense), anyway, also
had SUSE create their system so it can operate within companies that are
mainly Microsoft oriented (ie:
This is/was the Chairman of the Board
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Shelton
Interesting choice for a technology company, no.
http://cdn.atechnologyjobisnoexcuse.com/files/2012/02/sandia-20120206.pdf
http://gcn.com/Articles/2005/01/21/Red-Hat-pushes-for-Linux-in-federal-market.aspx
They
look down a little lower Magic...I forgot to reply directly to his post.
LOL, where do you get your outdated info.
The Microsoft settlement is one of the oldest sticks and exaggerations one
could throw. It was a lawsuit settlement between Novell and Microsoft over
patents.
NEWSBREAK Novell no longer owns SUSE and they never owned openSUSE.
Micro Focus
Thanks for reading it Tom. So many people are quick to comment without
checking the reference.
That is most certainly his blog, he references it in most of his forum and
iirc posts. Check the bottom also:
© Lennart Poettering. Built using Pelican. Theme by Giulio Fidente on
github. .
Welcome to the community!!!
For those that think systemd is just an elegant modern init system, consider
this from Potterings own blog:
We want a unified solution that ultimately can cover updates for full
systems, OS containers, end user apps, programming ABIs, and more. These
updates shall be double-buffered, (at
LOL, this has nothing to do with the prior post. Read Potterings own words,
since you like references so much.
Really onpon!
So you want people to believe that a post on Potterings own blog written by
him, was not actually posted by him, and that he did not actually say it? If
that is not deluded than I am not sure what is.
In that post, he is laying out the foundation for how systemd will be its
SELinux and RedHats connections to the US gov./spy agencies is the main
reason why SUSE/openSUSE created AppArmor, (Immunix actually). You also have
Tomoyo as another alternative and grsec-kernel if you really want security.
funny, for what part?
Note to Rueben, people should not be able to +1 their own posts.
Magic. You are correct about when they dropped Gnome, however, you obviously
cannot tell the difference between Patrick (public voice/P.C.) and how he
feels about certain things in GNU/Linux. That is obvious.
Here is a
(H_TeXMeX_H)
I think that systemd is only a problem that appears along with GNOME. As
Slackware has never included GNOME, I think it is safe for now. The
increasing number of applications that require it are likely GNOME-only apps,
which I have seen many of, and avoid instantly. If you
That's exactly what it was danieru. An ultimatum not just for Gentoo but for
anyone not on board with systemd. Nice post by the way.
Pottering's attitude is what has many dev.'s question the intention of his
project, and the overall scope of his plans. Never seen anything like it
before,
One more from Pat (Slackware founder)
volkerdi
Slackware Maintainer
Well, the problem with using shell scripts in the boot process is that it
goes through a lot of PIDs, and it would be less ugly to arrive at a usable
machine state with a PID in the hundreds, or lower. If everything has to
ok last one from this bunch for now (anyway), but I think this is all very
educational for many:
(Alien Bob
Slackware Contributor)
I would not consider systemd for this reason only: it is being written
specifically to work only on the Linux platform.
I am very much an advocate of
I could go on, but it makes for a great read to follow the above link...there
are many other links if you are interested in seeing both sides of the
discussion and not just the pro systemd side.
Pat in response to someone saying that systemd was fine because it made
things simpler and easier:
Not even close.
This is the Unix philosophy: Write programs that do one thing and do it
well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams,
because that is a
(ReaperX7)
From that video he seems to be thinking his software can directly mimic the
speed, user-friendliness, zero-administration, and core functionality of
Windows upon the Linux kernel.
Sorry, but Linux and Windows are two different operating systems and systemd
isn't about free
In case you do not look it up here are a few snippets:
(Alien Bob Slackware Contributor):
Some things will probably be forced upon Slackware - PAM has been on the
carefully circumventing but you never know list for a long time. PAM is not
bad to have at all, but it is personal opinion of the
If you cannot have an intelligent discussion and debate with decorum, then
you only continue to show the folly that is the future of systemd.
GNU/Linux began with debate/discussion when did that end?
You might enjoy this thread:
X, or Wayland are not the same as an init service.
systemd is doing things an init service should not do. Agree that SysV
needed to be fixed, but why not fix it, why not replace it with a more modern
but simple service, why a complex service that continues to grow and consume
(merge) more
the hyperbole is thick with some.
systemd is as much a practical concern as it is a philosophical concern. It
violates the Unix and GNU/Linux principles. Keep in mind that GNU/Linux was
designed to not be Unix, but Unix like, it was not designed to be a free
and opensource version of
Magic,
One major program is Gnome DE, it requires systemd as a hard dependency.
Again, not heresay, it is stated in several places by Pottering and Kay,
mainly on their own blogs and various iirc's.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd/
The question
Agreed, if you want to run Debian no real reason for the linux libre kernel,
unless you want a newer feature of that kernel. Just do not use the non-free
and contrib repos.
Cannot recommend Devuan yet, as it is still loosely organized.
Wow onpon, that is harsh.
Blag is still under active development. 20k is out and they are working on
21k. There is a new team and a new maintainer. Forums are up, however, most
of their development and communication is via mailing lists. links for info.
below:
Again read the above post. Perhaps do a little research before posting.
Magic Banana,
no reason to resort to this level of communication. I did not mock you, nor
make fun of you...
Merely stating, facts about systemd, how that led you to conspiracy theories
and big foot is beyond me.
Regarding Linus, he said that he does not have have a problem with systemd
Those are not the only lines of communication for the devel team. LOL.
Alot of the development communication is via those channels plus, email,
iirc, conference calls etc...
Also, you may find it interesting that Fedora is planning on having LTS
versions as well, which means Blag, would
onpon...not true, they are completely against it. What they are doing is
making their version which would be limited to an init system and not the
entire monolithic software suite that is the ever growing mess of systemd.
BSD will never go for systemd as it violates POSIX, which the BSD's
Oh Magic Banana...The research is all on the internet from people working on
the projects.
Fact, Linus has blocked Kay from submitting any/all code for the kernel until
further notice.
Fact, soon systemd will default to gummbiboot as the loader, it has already
merged with it. When
Magic Banana, you can say that again.
According to Pottering and Kay Sievers (systemd developers), their end game
is to have systemd be a complete OS. Even Linus had to block all code
contributions from Kay because they were trying to hardwire the kernel to
require systemd. You can
I would imagine that Trisquel would have to switch since Ubuntu is switching
thanks to Debian caving in to RedHat.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/ubuntu-debian-switching-systemd
Unless Trisquel switches to Devuan (if they ever come together), or to
another distro that is not systemd,
If the goals is FSF libre, then only use main. As onpon pointed out contrib
contains a mixture of free and non-free. Virtualbox is an example, it is
free, but uses a non-free installer. You could use 4.1 or older and have a
libre version as well.
You could also, review the license of
Just a little update on systemd, since it played a role in this post...
Devuan (Debian fork) is expecting a systemd free version of Jessie to be
released sometime this summer...
antiX (based on Debian), is currently working on a systemd free version of
Jessie. Uses nonfree, however, they
Found this on box-look, of course it is not the same, but it is one of the
nicest themes I have seen for good ol icewm!
http://box-look.org/content/show.php/Trisquel?content=164600
It is part of their plan and Microsoft is not alone. Microsoft, Google and
Apple all use the opensource community for their ideas, they take, take and
take more, then contribute little to nothing back. Google contributes some
back.
The end game for all three is for the opensource world
Hey Magic,
One is how quickly programs were tightly integrated into systemd, according
to some developers the integration was required. In other words, many
programs are so tightly integrated with systemd that if you remove systemd
those new programs will no longer work. I would qualify
Interesting comparison, but not the same thing.
Systemd complaints are not based on a language or X Window System functions.
It was/is based on the principle that Unix and GNU/Linux programs are
supposed to be designed to do one thing and do that one thing well.
Systemd is a program that
Scratching my head on this one...wondering why it seems this forum is getting
so many strange posts and requests as of late!
Or am I the only one that finds it strange.
Here you go Mangy
Start with the Evo/Lution Arch installer, it uses a very easy Installer to
give you Vanilla Arch with Arch repos. You choose your DE, DM, etc... Pay
attention to your mount points and read each step carefully, it is a breeze
once you do that. You may want to run it
Now it makes sense...Ruben really should implement a spam button along with
the -/+.
No for Freedora, however, rmmmusical's reply seems very interesting and
should work with little trouble.
Does this not seem a little trollish to anyone?
PSS: completely unrelated, but there is a great way to install Parabola via
an Arch specific GUI installer if anyone is interested I could post it.
Reality is, for most people computers are necessary, cell phones as well,
however, smart phones are not. For the average person, try to keep
technology as dumb as possible. Older computers also put off less
radiation and magnetic waves, save toxic waste from the dump etc...
On the flip
phpbb is a great alternative as well.
https://www.phpbb.com/
Thank you Ruben for the excellent presentation and for posting this. Keep up
the great work with GNU IceCat!
Is there any traction with having other Distro's including it?
Article is bunk.
One must consider that the most secure servers in the world all run
GNU/linux. The US federal government mainly uses GNU/Linux, especially RHEL
(RedHat Enterprise Linux), NSA uses RedHat, most of the worlds air traffic
controllers are using GNU/Linux etc...Oh, by the way
Thank you Jade! What a great idea, just joined.
Here you go Jade, this is a config for JWM designed to imitate a Crunchbang
dark theme with single desktop. It was modified from a config posted on a
Crunchbang forum.
Feel free to copy paste and enjoy! For me, JWM is usually around 1mb on up
to 5mb depending on how much I add to startup
hmm, why did the format not remain, when posted?
Well this might be good news for the Crunchbang communityIt appears Blag
21K (http://blagblagblag.org/) will use Openbox as their default WM. Various
DE's will be available during install (XFCE, LXDE, Mate, Gnome), however, if
the DE is left unchecked then it will install an optimized
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