Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting Trisquel 8 Working on Macs
It's been a while. I can't give you the exact names of the packages (I would if I remembered them and I didn't write them down). Try to find them by name (synaptic). All I can recall I tried a few packages and eventually I got all dependencies right.
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"I think that's self-explanatory." To you, maybe. "Find out the missing dependencies and the required packages and install them." You mean these: "please install libelf-dev, libelf-devel or elfutils-libelf-devel"? Is it as simple as "sudo apt-get install libelf-dev" etc.?
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I think that's self-explanatory. Find out the missing dependencies and the required packages and install them. Then, start over where it was left and try again.
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So, I reached the "make" stage, and I get the following error: make -C /lib/modules/4.15.0-30-generic/build M=/home/user/mba6x_bl modules make[1]: Entering directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.15.0-30-generic' Makefile:976: "Cannot use CONFIG_STACK_VALIDATION=y, please install libelf-dev, libelf-devel or elfutils-libelf-devel" Building modules, stage 2. MODPOST 1 modules make[1]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/linux-headers-4.15.0-30-generic'
Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting Trisquel 8 Working on Macs
Try 'sudo apt-get install build-essential module-assistant'.
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So, I'm now trying the screen brightness fix. It starts by saying that I need to have the kernel headers (e.g. linux-header-generic) installed for the kernel I'm compiling for. I also need the build tools (build-essential or similar). How do I get them?
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Your Mac could have another hardware. Macbook Air 2015 uses FaceTimeHD and this driver works with that piece of hardware. That said, the driver must be loaded every time the OS is rebooted. Cheese is the software that uses the webcam. Launching Cheese is the only way to know if the LED lights up (meaning: works).
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I'm trying the camera fix. Under "Firmware extraction", I'm at the stage where, under bcwc_pcie/firmware, I type "make". I get the following error: Checking dependencies for driver download... /usr/bin/xzcat /bin/cpio Makefile:34: recipe for target 'AppleCameraInterface' failed make: *** [AppleCameraInterface] Error 1
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I think I had a /boot partition on the hard disk. Screen brightness: https://github.com/patjak/mba6x_bl FaceTime camera: https://github.com/patjak/bcwc_pcie/wiki/Get-Started
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So, I installed Ubuntu 18.04 on the MBP. What doesn't work are the iSight camera (which did work when running Ubuntu from the live USB), the sleep function when closing the lid (which did work once when I restarted the computer after the installation had completed) and the brightness keys/slider. The only proprietary driver that's installed is that of the Wi-Fi (I also installed the proprietary nVidia driver to see if it would make a difference, but it didn't, so I removed it). Could you give me any guidance on how to solve these issues? On a different note, on which partition did you install the boot loader? I installed it on the Ubuntu root partition, but I’ve read that others installed it on the hard disk.
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Those EFI options must be separate entries in the boot loader: install,live etc. Ubuntu needs a boot loader. If you don't install Grub, you have to configure another boot loader. Mint community has instructions on Macbook pro w/Mint 17. https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1643
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"You don't need rEFInd" I intend to dual boot. So, you're saying that rEFInd isn't really necessary, and I can rely only on macOS' Startup Manager. Would macOS' Startup Manager require extra tinkering on my part to get it to work, or does it work 'out of the box'? Also, when using macOS' Startup Manager to boot from the live USB, I see, in addition to my macOS HD, two EFI boot options, similar to post #25. Why is that, and which should I choose? Finally, I read somewhere that one could initiate the Ubuntu install without also installing GRUB. Do you recommend that (in order not to have multiple boot managers)?
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I used trial and error. You could use rEFInd or wipe the whole disk, then install Trisquel or another distro. MacOS Diskutility can be used to diminish the partition and create a new one alongside. You don't need rEFInd if you never dualboot or if you choose the loader each time manually (option/alt @ boot).
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I am considering installing Ubuntu 18.04.1 alongside macOS El Capitan. Did you follow a particular guide for installing Ubuntu on the MBA? Also, when booting Ubuntu via a live USB, before it reaches the Ubuntu splash screen, I get the following error (which does go away): Couldn't get size: 0x800e MODSIGN: Couldn't get UEFI db list Couldn't get size: 0x800e Couldn't get size: 0x800e From what I read online, it seems to be related to the kernel. The forum posts are a year old, and the kernel has been updated from the version they are referring to, but the issue seems to remain. What do you think, and have you experienced it?
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T'was indeed worth trying :)
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> but anyway yeah seems like the clue was to have Internet connection, but why > though? No idea. I'm glad everything's working now though. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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> Why do you think that will help? My friend got an identical (or at least extremely similar) message when installing Trisquel 8 on his Mac. We ended up reinstalling Trisquel several times that night, and found that the problem only occured when we weren't connected to the Internet. I don't actually understand why, but it's worth trying. > Also cheers on your > new prof pic) Thanks :) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Wierd thing.. First it just never went past the black screen with small messages on, with some green and red. I restarted, clicked on "try trisquel without installing", installed from in there, and hey.. now it works. but anyway yeah seems like the clue was to have Internet connection, but why though?
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Why do you think that will help? (I will try, I am just wondering what the logic is here. Also cheers on your new prof pic)
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> "The 'grub-efi-amd64' package failed to install into /target/. Without the > GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot." Try installing while connected to the Internet. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Mini I only ran T8 live, never installed. It still has El Capitan on it. For the MBA, I now have Ubuntu 18.04 installed on it, before that Fedora 28 and before that Trisquel 8. MBA still has MacOS on the side, dual boot. With T8 I used rEFInd, Ubuntu and Fedora recognize and boot MacOS (Grub Menu). Most things work on MBA. I didn't see any issues with Mini. Hard to say about post-installation as I never proceeded to put it on the hard disk.
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Also tried the latest Trisquel Mini iso, same problem :/ "The 'grub-efi-amd64' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot."
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> what is that jenkins list? Did you not use it to get Flidas beta images? > is that somebody who keep a database of historical Trisquel iso releases? If you want to try an older ISO that is where you'll find it. I'm not sure why you'd want to do that now that Flidas is officially released. If there is something wrong with the new ISO, it would be better to make sure the issue gets fixed than to revert to an earlier ISO. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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what is that jenkins list? is that somebody who keep a database of historical Trisquel iso releases?
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I tried to install Trisquel 8 from the latest iso on Trisquel's download page ( https://trisquel.info/en/download ) on my mbp 9,1 right now, and that didn't work and gave me the same errors some of you were talking about a while back. Anybody recently installed Trisquel on Macs? What iso image did you use, and did you use DVD or USB?
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By "works just fine", regarding T8 on the Mac Mini, do you mean that all the hardware is recognised and working? Does running any of the distributions you mentioned via a Live USB/DVD give an accurate indication of what hardware works or not, or is it the case that post-installation things that might have worked during the live session might not work properly when the system is fully installed? Did you keep a copy of macOS?
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> What MBP models do your friends have? The one running Ubuntu has a Macbook Pro Retina, from around 2013 I think. The one running Trisquel is newer, from around 2015. > Did they install the "third-party" > software during installation of the system? I don't think so, but he enabled the Restricted repo with proprietary firmware. > So, T8 has greater hardware compatibility than Ubuntu? I don't think so. I suspect that Macbook model and kernel are what made the difference in this case. In general Ubuntu should support more hardware because they compromise user freedom to do so. > What could be done to > fix the Wi-Fi? Install proprietary firmware? Unfortunately the WiFi card will not work without proprietary firmware. I recommend using a Thinkpenguin USB dongle. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I have a Mac Mini late 2009 and Trisquel 8 works just fine on it. Yours is about the same time period. Why not give it a go. I'd try T8 if I were you and I had MBP 2009. That said, I've tried Ubuntu 18.04, Mint 18, Trisquel 8 and Fedora 28 on my MBA 2015. They all work. FacetimeHD wec camera needs drivers and I suppose they are proprietary. The wifi card of course won't work either without blobs.
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"The first installed Ubuntu, keeping a macOS partition. The only issues he's had have been adjusting screen brightness, which he fixed by switching to an older kernel, and hibernation, which I'm not sure if he's figured out by now." What MBP models do your friends have? Even with Ubuntu, there were compatibility issues? I thought Ubuntu would fare the best in terms of compatibility. Did they install the "third-party" software during installation of the system? "The other got rid of macOS completely and installed Trisquel 8. The only hardware that didn't work was WiFi, as expected." So, T8 has greater hardware compatibility than Ubuntu? What could be done to fix the Wi-Fi? Install proprietary firmware?
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loldier, which GNU/Linux distribution do you recommend for greatest hardware compatibility, given my case? Do you dual-boot, or have you replaced macOS with GNU/Linux? Which distribution have you chosen, and if you replaced macOS with GNU/Linux, do you still have a copy of macOS?
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I followed the guide of the first/best answerer here: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/162705/macbook-pro-not-detecting-bootable-usb-with-yosemite and now the MBP detected the USB and booted straight to it. Just thought I'd share
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One strange thing I noticed now while trying to get Parabola on my MBP 9,1 is that my iMac with Trisquel 8 installed recognize the USB flash with Parabola boot, but the MBP 9,1 in Internet recovery mode does not. Thought I'd just share this. And my DVD with and old version of Trisquel 8 is being detected. So I really feel the DVD's are way more reliable than the USB flashes. Don't know why though...
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MB 2009 is too old. It has no Internet recovery, and it cannot be upgraded to run Internet recovery. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202313
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> I'm looking to install GNU/Linux on a mid-2009 MBP (5,4). Which distribution > would you recommend in terms of the greatest compatibility with the > hardware? Ideally, I would want T8, but if certain hardware is not > recognised by it, I would be stuck, wouldn't I? I've never owned a crapbook, but I have helped two friends install GNU/Linux on theirs. The first installed Ubuntu, keeping a macOS partition. The only issues he's had have been adjusting screen brightness, which he fixed by switching to an older kernel, and hibernation, which I'm not sure if he's figured out by now. The other got rid of macOS completely and installed Trisquel 8. The only hardware that didn't work was WiFi, as expected. > Also, for those who have GNU/Linux installed, did you keep the macOS > partition or did you erase everything? I'm asking because I'm wondering, in > relation to the latter scenario, from where I could get a copy of macOS, > assuming that I did not clone the existing partition, if I decide to install > it again? The friend who attemped to completely remove macOS and install Trisquel has found that he can still go into a "recovery boot" mode that resembles macOS. His WiFi card even works in recovery mode, so the proprietary firmware too is still on his system. In recovery mode, there is an option to reinstall macOS. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Just love rEFInd that's my favourite EFI manager. :) Under rEFInd Trisquel just boots w/o any issues under my experience, but minor BSDs just like NetBSD, OpenBSD, DragonFlyBSD maybe are still facing EFI issues, so I just run TrueOS as the only BSD on real hardware i.e. my real SAMSUNG amd64-efi laptop, but will taste NetBSD, OpenBSD, DragonFlyBSD virtually. I think I need to ask LibertyBSD for changing platform to FreeBSD-amd64 instead of OpenBSD, that the OpenBSD kernel can be a GNU package at all. :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Getting Trisquel 8 Working on Macs
I'm looking to install GNU/Linux on a mid-2009 MBP (5,4). Which distribution would you recommend in terms of the greatest compatibility with the hardware? Ideally, I would want T8, but if certain hardware is not recognised by it, I would be stuck, wouldn't I? Also, for those who have GNU/Linux installed, did you keep the macOS partition or did you erase everything? I'm asking because I'm wondering, in relation to the latter scenario, from where I could get a copy of macOS, assuming that I did not clone the existing partition, if I decide to install it again?
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Trisquel 8 Final works fine with Macbook Air (2015) apart from the screen brightness which has issues: working indicators and hotkeys seeminly sliding the bar but nothing happens, no effect. There's a solution here (mba6x_bl). https://github.com/patjak/mba6x_bl More info on the subject here (Fedora, but partly relevant to trisquel). http://atodorov.org/blog/2015/04/29/fixing-display-brightness-on-macbook-air-with-rhel-7/ http://mattoncloud.org/2014/02/05/fedora-20-on-a-macbook-air/
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I recently got Trisquel 7 on my macbook pro mid-2010 by first installing Ubuntu 14.04 then using the "Trisquelize" script to migrate Ubuntu 14.04 to Trisquel 7. I am currently tryign to work out some issues with the Desktop environment that happen when I attempt a Trisquel 8 update, but in general, I have to say the whole process was painless and drama-free.
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I recently got Trisquel 7 on my macbook pro mid-2010 by first installing Ubuntu 14.04 then using the "Trisquelize" script to migrate Ubuntu 14.04 to Trisquel 7. I am currently tryign to work out some issues with the Desktop environment that happen when I attempt a Trisquel 8 update, but in general, I have to say the whole process was painless and drama-free.
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Amd64
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Loldier: "Yes, that did it." Are you using the amd64 or i686 version of the .ISO? When I tried to boot on my wife's Mac I was using the USB I made for my AA1 using the i686 version. Let me know if I need to be using the amd64 version, otherwise I'll download the more recent i686 RC and try again.
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> Yes, that did it. DVD is detected, is bootable and the desktop (X) works. I > think we can conclude this issue is solved. Awesome! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Yes, that did it. DVD is detected, is bootable and the desktop (X) works. I think we can conclude this issue is solved.
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I thought one of my friends had a Mac from 2015 but it's actually from 2012 like the one I already tested, so I still don't have a way to replicate the problem you two (loldier and strypey) are having. Have either of you tried the ISO that was uploaded today? http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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The December upload ISO makes no difference. Etcher claims it's non-bootable. I don't think it's a question of "luck". These images won't boot on a recent mac out of firmware mismatches or incompatibilities. The EFI folder of the ISO should be edited to make it compatible but I don't know how.
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They are still there but one has to know the exact name of directory. http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/20180319/ http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/20180219/
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Although http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/ currently displays the FSF home page for some reason, you can still find the 12/24 ISO here: http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/20171223/ I wonder if you'll have more luck with it. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I did that a lot too until I learned that only the first version of each comment, without the edits, gets sent to the mailing list. I find using 'preview' and making changes before hitting 'save' helps. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I usually edit my posts a few times in a row. I never seem to get them right at once.
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Sorry, I didn't see your full post. All that was included in the message sent to the mailing list was "I've managed to get Debian, MInt and Trisquel to boot." This post is also missing the last paragraph in the email. Are you editing your comments after posting? If so, replying to your posts instead would be less confusing for mailing list users. This page[1] seems to be down at the moment, but when it's back up I do suggest trying an earlier ISO. There have been changes from ISO to ISO that caused booting issues[2] for me until it was fixed in the 4/2 ISO. Maybe similar changes have affected booting on Macs. I'm totally guessing, though. [1] http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/ [2] https://trisquel.info/en/issues/23638
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I have two macs, a 2015 Macbook Air and a late 2009 Mini. The Air boots everything, USB or DVD, so far but not Trisquel. Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora. Mini boots Trisquel and also Debian and Mint. I haven't tried anything else. These are all from DVD. I didn't do anything special to boot T8. Alt-option at boot chime or Startup Disk from System Preferences.
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> I've managed to get Debian, MInt and Trisquel to boot. Trisquel 8? What did you have to do? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I've managed to get Debian, MInt and Trisquel to boot.
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Maybe try an earlier ISO, perhaps the 12/24 one that worked for GrevenGull? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Bootcamp is mainly for Windows drivers. It's unnecessary. It took some time to boot the Mini again on Linux Mint. It shows both EFI and Windows as boot devices.
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Does Bootcamp not work with newer MacBooks and/or have disadvantages? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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No, I haven’t tried Bootcamp 9n an6 of my macs. I booted the Mini the same way I booted the Air, with alt/option pressed and then power on/chime. The resumting boot screen is different, ”Windows” on Mini, EFI Boot on Air when detrcted (other than T8). I msde a USB with Ubuntu 16.04 and my Macbook Air boots (EFI Boot). All recent distros seem to work but T8 won’t.
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Does bootcamp the Mac Mini recognize other distros as Windows? I wonder if there is any way to fix this on Trisquel's end, or if bootcamp assumes that anything that isn't macOS is Windows. It's a cosmetic issue that can be clarified in the documentation, but it could confuse someone. More importantly, it seems like Trisquel 8 has worked with - GrevenGull's iMac (2008) - your Mac Mini (2009) - GrevenGull's MacBook (2012) - and my friend's MacBook (2012). and has not worked with - strypey's wife's MacBook (7-8 years old, so 2011-ish) - your MacBook Air (2015) If it weren't for strypey's wife's MacBook this would make me think that the problem is only with newer MacBooks. I have a friend with a MacBook retina (2015). I'll see if he'll let me try booting Trisquel on it. I have another friend with a MacBook Retina from 2015. I'll see if he'll let me try booting Trisquel on that. Have you tried bootcamp on your MacBook Air?
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Ok, I understand now. I tried T8 DVD boot on my 2009 Mac Mini. It works just like you said "windows' boot device at boot screen.
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When I first switched to Trisquel I tried with Trisquel 7 on MacBook Pro 9,1. That did not work. So I tried Trisquel Mini, which worked. Later I downloaded Trisquel 8 (2017-12-24 04:46, I actually noted time and date because of logging purposes) and burned it on a DVD (I've always used DVD, didn't have luck with USB in the beginning, so I just stuck with DVD). This Trisquel 8 DVD have been my companion since then and also worked on my iMac from 2008 :)
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Here's Fedora boot screen on my Macbook Air (2015). Alt/Option down and power on.
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> Bootcamp? She's never done a dual boot or messed around with EFI, so if bootcamp is the default with High Sierra then yes. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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"Windows"? Bootcamp?
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I just tried the latest ISO on a friend's Mid 2012 MacBook Pro. I held "Option" while starting up. The USB drive showed up as "Windows", which I selected and was then able to boot into Trisquel with no problems. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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It was the latest ISO, RC — release candidate.
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> Ubuntu installs easily Then a temporary workaround could be to install 16.04 and migrate to Trisquel 8. What is the earlist Trisquel 8 ISO you've tested? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Ubuntu installs easily (17.10). Linux Mint 18.3 is as easy (my current installation on my Macbook Air). They all show up as EFI Boot in the boot manager. I use rEFInd to dual boot.
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I believe that GrevenGull is using Trisquel 8 on a Mac, though maybe not from the latest ISO. I have some friends with Macs, including one who has successfully installed Ubuntu. I'll see if someone will let me try booting into Trisquel. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
