Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-10-24 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/23/2002 10:23:06 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can have a couple of guys there at your house to perform this ordinance if you so desire. not a good idea He has DAVEH: Is that a typo, Laura?Did you mean IS??? VBG>

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notice that Jesus is not on the cross. DAVEH: Hmm.ever notice the RCC folks, Glenn? They seem to relish the image of Jesus hanging on the cross. Perhaps Protestants found that image too repugnant, and have removed Christ from that shameful position and are

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I already did from one of the greatest scholars in the 90's. Jesus to the Christian is God the Son, second person of the Trinity. DAVEH: I would agree to that IF you will be willing to change "Trinity" to Godhead or something similar. After all, "Trinity" is not

[TruthTalk] LDS Conference Protesters

2002-10-24 Thread Dave
DAVEH:  Carrollare you in any of these pictures? http://www.fairlds.org/apol/antis/2002gc.html -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~   -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-10-24 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/24/2002 1:02:22 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Is that a typo, Laura?Did you mean IS??? VBG a BIG dog!!! Laura Nope no typo Seriously Laura

RE: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works

2002-10-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Are these the steps you have used that didnt work? ROTFL. Ive used them, too. They are very helpful. J Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Again, this seems like a different Jesus. 1 Cor. 1:18. I have never heard a good word from you on the cross. The Bible is full of references to the cross. Why do Mormons REFUSE to have a cross? Do you consider it a sin to wear a cross? DAVEH: LDS folks have had to bear their crosses just as

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Correction, I am just telling you what a boy Mormon elders told me. You are good at denying what Mormons believe a la I am greatly under the influence of Satan because I follow the Bible only. I understand what you are saying. I also was told by a Mormon that he was conditioned for anti-Mormon

RE: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Laura, All of the cults who reject Christs atoning Blood also reject the cross (like Jehovahs Witness and LDS). The cross is an affront to satan, and to those who are deceived by satan. It is the cross the defeats their lies. Its just that simple. Roman Catholics keep Christ on the

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
No, I am not going to respond. It is a waste of time. You said you agreed with the article. :-) But it obvious you do not. I view Mormonism as sneaky deceitful. Of course they have changed the meaning of deceit to wisdom. I'm serious here. Honestly, I am tired of answering questions when I can't

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Apologetics is a vast study that Mormons must avoid in order to continue to be Mormons. I repeat you'll have to study it for yourself. There is nothing I can do for a closed mind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, God has revealed others things not in the Bible. But these things are not on a

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/24/2002 7:30:38 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura, All of the cults who reject Christ’s atoning Blood also reject the cross (like Jehovah’s Witness and LDS). The cross is an affront to satan, and to those who are deceived by satan. It is the

Re: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Ok, I will not send you anything. You can wait for wait for a magic jap to come and you can be perfect without any effort. :-) Are these the steps you have used that didn’t work? ROTFL. I’ve used them, too. They are very helpful. J Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
There is no need to talk when you agree with something and then proceed to make it mean something entirely differernt. This is talking about the Bible ONLY. What you are saying is entirely rewritting the article. My friend, I can't trust anything you say about what you believe. The twisting never

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
But, DaveL, I thought you said you worshiped the same Jesus. Now you are doing with Jesus what you did with the inerrency article. You say you believe in them both, but you must change what was said in order to believe. I don't understand why you don't understand this is deceit. 12 pieces of

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News Bible

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
SearchGodsWord.org, Bible study resources from HeartLight.org Here you have a lot of info: Interlinear Bible including many differernt manuscripts Parallel Bible Concordances Dictionaries Encyclopedias, ETC. I recommend Interlinear Bibles. I am only vaguely familiar with the Good News Bible. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-24 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do you not believe in Biblical paradoxes? DAVEH: Is not a paradox something seemingly impossible? With God, nothing is impossible, so I would suggest there should be no paradoxes related to our Lord.unless they are the creation of men. At least that's how I see it

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, DaveL, I thought you said you worshiped the same Jesus. DAVEH: You were the one who used the term, "Biblical Jesus". OK Glenn.I asked you to define that, and you used a non-Biblical term. To me that takes Jesus out of the Biblical realm. Now you are doing with

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News Bible

2002-10-24 Thread David Miller
DaveH, the Good News Bible is a paraphrase and not much use to evagelical scholars. However, pastors might quote from it if they like the wording on a particular passage. J.B. Philips, on the other hand, is in a different league. He does not focus so much on making an enjoyable read. Rather,

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-10-24 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I am not going to respond. It is a waste of time. You said you agreed with the article. :-) But it obvious you do not. I view Mormonism as sneaky deceitful. Of course they have changed the meaning of deceit to wisdom. I'm serious here. Honestly, I am tired of

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Glenn - I like you DaveL. Thanks for the laugh. Of course, I know you believe the missing parts of the Bible causes me to be greatly under the influence of Satan. That's why I knew it was a lie that you agreed with the article on innerancy. Did you lie on purpose? I think not. 2 Cor. 4:4 :

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
The bottom line is I just would appreciate Mormons telling us what they believe with all the "wisdom" added to it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, I am gREATLY under the influence of Satan for following the Bible only. DAVEH: Who am I to disagree with one who pontificates so brilliantly!

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Glenn wrote: I think I know where we disagree. It's over the word perfect. I cannot see anyone as perfect as God the Father in that everyone has sinned. The underlying assumption that you make here is that a person's past has merit for judging his present position. I think that assumption is

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Thanks David. I appreciate the time put into this for us. What frustrates me is Mormons will quickly agree with something, but you cannot believe them. Upon further examination they don't believe what they claimed they believed at all. When I ask them a question over and over and I get

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Biblical paradox - The first shall be last. The last shall be first. I do you not believe in Biblical paradoxes? DAVEH: Is not a paradox something seemingly impossible? With God, nothing is impossible, so I would suggest there should be no paradoxes related to our Lord.unless they are the

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Tell me James, what country do you live in? What is your denominational background? Who have you fought with religiously in your life? I am trying to figure out where you are coming from? I pray to the Father in the Name of Jesus! I never felt led to pray to the Holy Spirit. To say Dear Holy

RE: [TruthTalk] Faith vs. Works

2002-10-24 Thread Pastor James PS Templeton
I dont think it is a good idea to attempt to bind Satan. We can bind evil spirits, but concerning Satan we are told that even the archangel Michael only rebuked him, Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News Bible

2002-10-24 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/24/2002 9:11:39 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: At the same time, I picked up one called LETTERS TO YOUNG CHURCHES by JB Phillips. It is similar in nature. Phillips is interesting too but I also like the Message. Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News Bible

2002-10-24 Thread David Miller
Hi James. Thanks for sharing that about J.B. Philips. I did not know that background about him. I'm not real surprised, though, because I remember reading a footnote in his translation of 1 Cor. 14 that says he believes a passage there is the result of a copyist error. Peace be with you. David

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-24 Thread David Miller
Glenn wrote: I believe Jesus' physical body was absolutely perfect. Why? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. (Isaiah 53:2) Peace be with

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News Bible

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
IF this is true (it sounds a little extreme and one sided) about J. B. Philips it just proves the Mormons wrong again. Here God has persevered His word even through J. B. Philips. A man could read the Philips translation and learn how to be saved. WOW! IF this is true God preserved his word

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Because God is absolutely perfect? Why not? Glenn wrote: I believe Jesus' physical body was absolutely perfect. Why?

Re: [TruthTalk] Matthew 5:48 Coffman's Commentary and ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

2002-10-24 Thread GJTabor
Man looks on the outward appearance, God looks on the heart. The verse shows no imperfection in Christ body. It shows a perfect body that man would not think was beautiful Also I noticed your word "apparently". :-) Glenn wrote: Because God is absolutely perfect? Why not? Why not? Because the

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread bborrow26
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:41:15 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus to the Christian means God the Son, second person of the Trinity. Do you believe the above? Jesus to the Mormon signifies a polygamous offspring of another god and mary, one god in a pantheon of gods. Blainer)

Re: [TruthTalk] Sin Christian Perfection

2002-10-24 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) Yes, but we believe Jesus and the Father are two separate persons, one in mind and purpose. The BoM states in several places that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are ONE GOD. But ONE means as I indicated--one in mind and purpose. When JS saw the first vision, he saw one

Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrancy

2002-10-24 Thread bborrow26
Blainer) LOL On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:26:36 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 10/23/2002 10:23:06 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can have a couple of guys there at your house to perform this ordinance if you so desire. not a good ideaHe