David Miller wrote:
I came across this in my reading this morning and thought about DaveH's
quest for understanding the Trinity. Jacobus Arminius was the Dutch
professor who was attacked by Calvinists for his emphasis on free will.
In their articles against him was one which claimed that
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
who, although He existed in the form of God, DID NOT REGARD
EQUALITY WITH GOD A THING TO BE GRASPED, BUT EMPTIED HIMSELF,
taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness
of men. Being found in appearance as a
DaveH wrote:
Let me ask what to me seems a simple question,
DavidM.what (in relation to the T-Doctrine)
is meant by essence? And, why is it brought into
the T-Doctrine discussion? Is there anything in
the Bible that attributes essence to the Godhead?
It seems to me that essence
Perhaps I should have said, the golden calf's (Moroni's) aberrent
doctrines. Doctrines of demons are aberrent, are they not?
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 15:53:29 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:06:04 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
the aberrent doctrine of that golden calf
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:42:53 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
But Satan is completely unable to tempt the Father.
Luke 4:12 (KJV) And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou
shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
The previous sentence is Jesus' citation of Deut 6:16
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Have this
attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed
in the form of God, DID NOT REGARD EQUALITY WITH GOD A THING TO BE GRASPED, BUT
EMPTIED HIMSELF, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the
likeness
Thanks for the kind words, Bill.:)
vincent j. fulton
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:04:35 -0700 Wm. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Hello, and please forgive me. I think your name is Vince, but I'm not
sure.
I have been gone since early this morning; hence the delay in
getting back
to
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 00:58:16 -0800 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let me ask what to me seems a simple
question, DavidM.what (in relation to
the T-Doctrine) is meant by essence?
And, why is it brought into the T-Doctrine
discussion? Is there anything in the Bible
that attributes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]JT: Where do
you find this equation in scripture Vince?
vince:
Heb 4:15 (NIV) "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to
sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been TEMPTED in EVERY
WAY, just as we are --- yet without sin."
Heb 2:14-18 (NIV)
He could not have said, Take and eat my old sin ravaged body,
because He never sinned. He was tempted, but He did not sin.
Saying that Jesus had a normal human body with a built-in fallen
nature is not tantamount to saying He sinned. He overcame His flesh, He
overcame the world, and He
The scriptures above say He was like us in every way. From that I infer: He was like us in that He had a fallen human nature. The scripturesabove say He was tempted in every way. From that I infer: Sometemptations come from the flesh, and He suffered every temptation,therefore He suffered
.
What are you trying to say? Are you saying that Jesus was a counterfeit
man?
---No, I am saying that He was more than a man. A man, plus
God.
The verse clearly indicates that Jesus was in the form of God, but he
did not consider it something to hold onto. He laid that
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... God
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He could not have said, Take and eat my old sin ravaged body,
because He never sinned. He was tempted, but He did not sin.
JT:
I'm glad we can agree on this at least, this is the Presbyterian
professor's thesis.
vince:
Saying that Jesus had a normal human body with a
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:13:10 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Saying he had a fallen nature is
tantamount to saying he had a
sin nature whether or not he sinned.
The reason we are born fallen
is because of the iniquity of the fathers
our inheritance from the first Adam on.
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:53:23 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan
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... He suffered temptations of the flesh.
So then he lusted like you do?
No, He was tempted to lust, but He did not lust, because giving in
to the temptation to lust is sin, but He did not sin.
--
Blaine Upon his resurrection, Jesus was
clearly able to do things he had not done before he was resurrected. That
much we seem to agree upon. He still had his wounds--the wounds (not
scars) in his hands, feet and side. They were his ID, so to
speak.But thedisciples could both see and feel
Blaine: the problem with graven images has always been that sooner or
later, people get (got) around to worshipping them and ascribing living
qualities and magical powers to them. This gave the priests of such images
power to make up new rules, and doctrines such as sacrificing children,
Blaine: Since I don't seem to recall what church you do
belong, to Terry, I can't comment. However, most churches do have some
kind of system determining who is in a position to make decisions. That is
about all I was referring to when I used the word "elite." As Jesus
said, "whosoever is
Is the TITLE "president" compensation enough?Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine: Since I don't seem to recall what church you do belong, to Terry, I can't comment. However, most churches do have some kind of system determining who is in a position to make decisions. That is about
Blaine: the problem with graven images has always been that sooner orlater, people get (got) around to worshipping them and ascribing livingqualities and magical powers to them.
Does that mean you do not accept the magical powers ascribed to LDS undergarments?
Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Blaine:the problem with graven images has always been that sooner or later, people get (got) around to worshipping them and ascribing living qualities and magical powers to them.This gave the priests of such images power to make up new rules, and
Blaine
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Blaine: Since I don't seem to recall what church
you do belong, to Terry, I can't comment. However, most churches do
have some kind of system determining who is in a position to
I dunno. Perhaps the lust is the temptation?
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:54:12 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan
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So how do you get tempted to lust?
How does a man get tempted to lust?
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 10:53:23 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan
writes:
There are no surprises in what you wrote below. We don't need mormon
doctrine for any of that. It's all consistent with the bible.
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 15:50:18 -0700 Blaine Borrowman
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Beyond that I cannot conjecture, unless I get into Mormon scripture and
Mormon
Blaine: LOL What magical
powers?
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Blaine: the problem with graven images has always been that
sooner orlater,
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Is the TITLE "president" compensation enough?
Blaine: I am not sure what this refers to, unless it is one of the
Blaine: The following is a response to the
Kingdom Come article, written by a member of the Church in a position to
know:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
is a global faith with a message that appeals to those who seek an anchor in a
world of shifting values. However,
This is my response to the article, Kingdom Come, as printed in the November 8, 1997
issue of TIME Magazine.
Your article on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was very
well done. I have been a Mormon all my life, attending meetings, paying tithes
and offerings, teaching
More on the money stuff:
TIME
MAGAZINE (Religion) 4.8.1997 Vsk. 150 N:o 5 BY DAVID VAN BIEMA
The Mormons' True Great Trek Has Been To Social Acceptance And A $30
Billion Church Empire
In Salt Lake City, Utah, on a block
Blaine, ifan LDS member does not tithe, can that one get a temple recommend? Can that oneenter the celestial kingdom? Can that one enter godhood?Perry
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