Yeah, I here you. What about the good schools
though?
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From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:33
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The value of
history
Wm. Taylor wrote:
What do you get
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated
3/10/2004 12:01:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JS'
DAVEH: Sorry John..I sometimes forget there a lot of new folks in
TT now. Joseph Smith.
What is JS
John -- the new guy
--
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:13:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What do you get if you've done both?
go to heaven?
John
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:17:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You seem to know a quite a bit about the Restoration denomination, John. Where did you pick this up?
Bill
I ministered in that fellowship for a number of years. I now proudly serve my Lord as a
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:20:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
think I figured it out. Some wise ass who thinks he knows it all.
good one Some will jump on you for the "a .." word but I am sure you meant it in the biblical sense.
John
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:15
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Nothing to
respond to or not able?
There you go a perfect picture of LDS Kindergarten
Theology (Ho Hum--just another
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:19
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins
found in Kentucky?
I would welcome that event.
But in the meantimeI will revel in all the
conversions right
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:49:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Sorry John..I sometimes forget there a lot of new folks in TT now. Joseph Smith.
thank you
john
John writes Sorry judyt for cutting in BUT
is Bill saying that after the Nicene Fathers, there is no possibility for
similar but "original" thinking on the same subject?
No, I am not saying that.
Read again, deliberately this time,the whole Trinitarian
conversationfrom the time I got
Kevin Deegan wrote:
God is the Author, the delivery was thru HOLY MEN of God.
DAVEH: Then who do you think penned Hebrews, Kevin? Is it my
imagination, or are you trying to avoid answering? If so.why???
Is it not a reasonable question to ask?
God did not use a pervert to deliver
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:22
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] DNA Evidence
Discourages Mormons
Kevin wrote:
Did you finish Aesop's yet?
Blaine: I guess that is your best shot for
I am afraid you are asking the wrong guy. I never went to one.
Terry
Wm. Taylor wrote:
Yeah, I here you. What about the
good schools though?
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Original Message -
From:
Terry
Clifton
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:33 PM
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:55:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You are probably right about one thing, the Southern Baptists would not believe anything they had not heard inculcated into their minds by tradition, repetition, and the fear of the boys with the hoods who
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He was a devil
DAVEH: Do you believe he was a devil when Jesus chose and ordained him?
Is the Devil saved?
DAVEH: Not if he fails endure to the end, as did Judas.
As a tangential question Kevin.Do you believe Jesus' grace can
apply to one who has been
More likely these associations:
Sidney Rigdon was excommunicated as a Baptist minister on October 11, 1823, for teaching false doctrine, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He joined Alexander Campbell and Walter Scott to form the emerging Disciples of Christ.He was a Campbellite preacher until he
So the Devil could be saved if he endures to the end?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He was a devilDAVEH: Do you believe he was a devil when Jesus chose and ordained him?
Is the Devil saved?DAVEH: Not if he fails endure to the end, as did Judas. As a tangential question
Your a bible scholar now?Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] DNA Evidence Discourages Mormons
Kevin wrote:
Did you finish Aesop's yet?
Blaine: I guess
Try it real slow again...
God was the AUTHOR, the delivery was thru HOLY MEN of God.Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
God is the Author, the delivery was thru HOLY MEN of God.DAVEH: Then who do you think penned Hebrews, Kevin? Is it my imagination, or are you trying to avoid
Well here we go the LDS church is true because they are growing so fast argument.
If the rate of growth is the determining factor, get out your turbin and become a muslim thay are much bigger than the LDS church.Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:16:53 -0500 "David
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now we beseech you..by our
gathering together unto him..2Thess 2
literarily. isn'tthe
(current)gathering together, above,the main proof that the
day of the Lord is future?
G ~ P
235
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:04:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Take a pill, Bill. I was not trying to tee you off.
No, I am not saying that. Read again, deliberately this time, the whole Trinitarian conversation from the time I got involved in it and maybe what I did
I'm sorry Blaine you want more on the witnesses?
"...neither did I ever hear of such a thing as an angel ordaining them until I got into Ohio about the year 1834--or later. Oliver stated to me in Joseph's presence that they had baptized each other--seeking by that to fulfill the command. And
Did Christ include Judas in his death? Did He die
for him? I think, unless we want to go into a discussion of Limited Atonement,
we must conclude that He did. What then, if Christ took Judas down with Him in
death, would preclude him from Salvation? Will he (Judas) not see resurrection?
If
The question is can the devil get saved?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did Christ include Judas in his death? Did He die for him? I think, unless we want to go into a discussion of Limited Atonement, we must conclude that He did. What then, if Christ took Judas down with Him in death,
You were already a participating member when I got
into the Trinity discussion. Your first correspondence to me, was in response to
my first correspondence in relation to the Trinity discussion. And if there is a
tinge of disgust in my voice, please realize it is just a tinge -- I ought to
I hope so.
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:54
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set
the tone
The question is can the devil get saved?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Wm. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity
John, you say A second reason for the confusion (as I understand it) is
that God did not chose to explain Himself to us. Without
The RCC needed reformation because it was broken, not missing.
Plus, as several have told you, there always has been a true church that
existed outside the RCC.
I do not believe that the restituion of all things has anything to so with
the LDS. Just another LDS prooftext. In fact, the only
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From: Wm. Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity
John,
By the way, the closest equivalent that koine Greek
has to the idea of person, as I've laid it out below, is the word soma.
This word is
- Original Message -
From: Wm. Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity
I'm probably going to make you all cringe a little
bit here, and some of you more than a little. By the way, I hope you don't mind
if I butt in.
- Original Message -
From: Wm. Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity
Greetings John, welcome to the conversation. I am
glad you are interested and want to participate.
For the sake of context, since it is I whom
Wm. Taylor wrote:
Did Christ include Judas in his
death? Did He die for him? I think, unless we want to go into a
discussion of Limited Atonement, we must conclude that He did. What
then, if Christ took Judas down with Him in death, would preclude him
from Salvation? Will he
Thanks for taking the time. DavidM. As I said, my salvation does not hang on
when the resurrection occurs. I am ready at any time to go. Although I long
to be with the Lord and hope to avoid the great tribulation, I am in part
curious to witness the end times. Another cute phrase that means
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:28:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is the way the High Priests and the 'priesthood' as you have it, was introduced into the Church of Christ almost two years after its beginning--and after we had baptized and confirmed about two thousand
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:28:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Campbellite
This designation existed only in the minds of those Prebyterian and Baptist of the day (1800's). There is no such thing as a "Campbellite."
John
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:28:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
More likely these associations:
The information that follows your words above is or good be very use to my notion that Restoration teaching influenced Mormonism. Thanks.
John
I grew up hearing that, too. I guess that makes us
Stoneys.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:05
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins
found in Kentucky?
In a
message dated
In a message dated 3/10/2004 8:09:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I grew up hearing that, too. I guess that makes us Stoneys.
Brother meet they brother !!!
Pardon me for being a little slow, but, the several emails you posted -- I am assuming they establish the full
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Try it real slow again...
God was the AUTHOR, the delivery was thru HOLY MEN of God.
DAVEH: Annd.I'll try it again..really
slooow...whoo d youuu thik
was th HOOOLY MN
Good job, vince, I am saving most of this information.
To our Mormon buds, I re-ask a question. Someone posted the notion that that there is some stone in Mexico with the ten commandments written on it and so on. Is that just a fantasy to be accpted without proof or is there some supporting
Yes, they do; however, I do not think they came
through in the same order of correspondence as I sent them, so you might want to
check the original times to get them in context. Thanks, brother. Sorry I tensed
up on you. Sometimes this is all too exacerbating.
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In a message dated 3/10/2004 8:22:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry I tensed up on you. Sometimes this is all too exacerbating.
No problem. I am a pretty aggressive guy myself -- I get to say "I'm sorry" much more often than I get to say "guess that makes right
Do you regard me as being too inferior (due to my LDS beliefs) to carry on a respectful conversation with me?
That is for those thyat are WORTHY and have a Temple recommend. Us Gentiles are not ready for and are not worthy to recieve the meat of Mormonism.
How many times do I have to say God was
Whitmer was a "witness" for the BoM. In this pamphlet, he was talkinjg about the LDS church, when it was organized in Fayette NY it was first called the "Church of Christ" The name was changed to "Church of the Latter Day Saints" and finally to todays "Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day
http://www.irr.org/mit/smithson.html
http://www.probe.org/docs/book-mormon.html
The Smithsonian Institute in a letter to the Mormon Church states, "The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian Archaeologists see no connection between
WARNING
I was saving some infor from B Taylor and my computer got hit with a virus or somekind of spywear. I have Norton -- just put it into my machine last week. It killed it -- but beware. I am not saying it was Bill's email -- could be anyone's.
It is a distressing thought but if you spend
I have Norton too, John, and my provider checks
every transactionthrough McAfee. I am sorry you got hit. I do not think it
was me. Do you know how I might check to make sure?
Bill
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday,
Kevin: more information for my "save" file. Thanks.
To the Mormons buds:
In regard to the American Indians - are they Jews?
John
In a message dated 3/10/2004 8:47:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have Norton too, John, and my provider checks every transaction through McAfee. I am sorry you got hit. I do not think it was me. Do you know how I might check to make sure?
Bill
I am really ignorant
DaveH, no one conclusively knows who wrote Hebrews. Paul is the most likely
candidate, but there is no solid proof.
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] reliability of the HOLY BIBLE
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:39:26 -0800
DAVEH:
There is no salvation for angels.
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Questions set the tone
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:54:06 -0800 (PST)
The question is can the devil get saved?
Wm. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Did
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Campbellite
This designation existed only in the minds of those Prebyterian and
Baptist
of the day (1800's). There is no such thing as a Campbellite.
John
How about those people that make the soup? Sorry, I could not resist.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
http://www.irr.org/mit/smithson.html
http://www.probe.org/docs/book-mormon.html
The Smithsonian Institute in a letter to the Mormon Church
DAVEH: FTR...They were not responding to a letter from the Mormon
Church. They were replying to a request for
In a message dated 3/10/2004 9:22:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How about those people that make the soup? Sorry, I could not resist.
I love this group. There are so many really clever comments and just good stuff.
The soup thing -- funny but it also reminded me
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Do you regard me as being too inferior (due to my LDS
beliefs) to carry on a respectful conversation with me?
That is for those thyat are WORTHY and have a Temple recommend.
Us Gentiles are not ready for and are not worthy to recieve the meat of
Mormonism.
DAVEH:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good job, vince, I
am saving most of this information.
To our Mormon buds, I re-ask a question.
DAVEH: Sorry John..I must have missed it the first time. As you
may know, there has been an extraordinary amount of TT traffic
lately.
Someone posted
the
Wm. Taylor wrote:
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Original Message -
From:
Wm.
Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity
I'm probably going to make you all
cringe a little bit here, and some of you more than a
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
The RCC needed reformation because it was broken, not missing.
Plus, as several have told you, there always has been a true church
that existed outside the RCC.
I do not believe that the restituion of all things has anything to so
with the LDS.
DAVEH: I
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did Christ include Judas in his death? Did He die
for him?
I think, unless we want to go into a discussion of
Limited Atonement,
we must conclude that He did. What then, if Christ
took Judas down
with Him in death, would preclude him from
Salvation?
Appears to me that you may need help yourself Bill because
when we do appear before the Lord, he is not going to be
impressed bythe Nicene Fathers. What we will be judged
by are the words that HE spoke and BTW the Holy Spirit
can speak and communicate in English also.
judyt
God allows the
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
There is no salvation for angels.
DAVEH: Why do you say that, Perry?
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JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH, no one conclusively knows who wrote Hebrews.
DAVEH: That has been previously mentioned, and I understand that. But
I was asking Kevin specifically about what he believes because of a
comment DavidM made about what he suspects Kevin believesthat Paul
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] The truth is
that history is a body of knowledgefrom which all of us interpret and
understand truth, including truth found in the Bible.
Kevin wrote: I do not interpret the truth of the biblethrough
the lense of history. I interprethistory through the
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