Ill try to keep that in mind. iz
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Yes, that would at least leave open the possibility
Izzy in red:
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Izzy in
bold blue:
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:12:33 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Bill wrote The cross
stands as that which gave them life.
jt: The cross always represents
death. judyt
jd writes:
He died that we might
live
In a message dated 7/26/2005 6:23:01 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Oh, at least
now I think I understand where you are coming from, and your bias against the
term, although I don’t necessarily agree. I still think that you can be
alive physically but not
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Izzy
in bold blue:
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The greater message here is that those who choose not to follow Jesus
are
spiritually dead. That is, they do not have the Spirit of the Lord
dwelling in them. The man he chose as an example wanted
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:34:12 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death
Bill, It appears in scripture that there is a point at which one becomes "spiritually alive". Often, this is referred to as "quickeneing". Check out these verses:Ephesians 2
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Bill,
It appears in scripture that there is a point at which one becomes
spiritually alive. Often, this is referred to as quickeneing. Check
out
these verses:
Ephesians 2:1 - And you hath he
)?
Perry
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Do I miss the point? The body, soul, mind and spirit are so integral to
each other as to be without separation
l2602@hotmail.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:55:33 -0700Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death
John, will everyone be raised to eternal life? And, will all have the same state? If so, then why is salvation desirable? What is a term we can use while one is s
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Man, you may be talking to fast for me. I am following along,
here, and did not intend my comments below
You see, we are not all that different from traditional Christians like yourself huh?
Christians Believe in a Personal Relationship with Jesus
LDS reject such. Bruce R. McConkie,stated that people who speak of a "special relationship with Christ" are guilty of "excessive zeal" and "pure sectarian
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You see, we are not all that different from traditional
Christians like yourself huh?
Christians Believe in a Personal Relationship with Jesus
LDS reject such. Bruce R. McCon
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Bill,It appears in scripture that
there is a point at which one becomes"spirituall
Bill writes:I actually don't think we've got that much
left to argue about. Both you and Judy have said that you do not think of
"spiritual death" as literally being dead in the spirit. Henceyou are both
treating your concept as a metaphor, whether you realize it or not, and so I
don't
Bill wrote Jesus knows that his hearers will realize that
dead people cannot bury dead people. Hence he knows that they will not be able
to take his statement literally; they will have to conclude that the first death
is representative of something other than yet similar tothe second
Would someone else please step in and help Judy
through this?I would very much appreciate it.
Thanks,
Bill
From:
Judy
Taylor
Bill wrote:I actually don't think we've
got that much left to argue about. Both you and Judy have said that you do not
think of
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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:33:26 -0600
Would someone else please step in and help Judy through this? I would very
much appreciate it.
Thanks
Yes -- very good. Could it be that if you are following the way of God in Christ, you are as good as dead, hence "dead." ??-Original Message-From: Bill Taylor wmtaylor@plains.netTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:32:15 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiri
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The greater message here is that those who choose not to follow
Jesus are "spiritually dead". That is, they do not have the Spirit of
the Lord dwelling in them. The man he chose as an example wanted t
Who is your choice, Judy - me or G? -Original Message-From: Bill Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:33:26 -0600Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death
Would someone else please step in and help Judy through this?I would very much
Mar 12.30 'And you shall love the LORD your God with all your
heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This
is the first commandment.
I told Izzy that I thought there was aspiritual element
included in Jesus' statement: "Follow me, and let the dead bury
A fair observation, Iz.
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ShieldsFamily
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Sent: July 20, 2005 23:39
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death
was Re:John 16:13,14
Lance your comments
come across to me as you being BTs biggest fan
Lance wrote:
May I ask of you and any others with suggestions
just how might word 'you don't get it...no matter
what Bill says you still won't get it...without it being
perceived as coming against your person?
Saying, no matter what Bill says you still won't get it is the same thing
as
21, 2005 10:20
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14
Lance wrote:
May I ask of you and any others with suggestions
just how might word 'you don't get it...no matter
what Bill says you still won't get it...without it being
perceived as coming against your person?
Saying
Bill, could we discuss some areas where we do agree
allowing scripture to interpret scripture
becausefor me it is totally frustratingto
have togo the long route by way of Gk
philosophy, logic, etc.
Could we agree on the following for a
start?
God is a Spirit (John 4:24)
Man is primarily
] Spiritual Death
was Re:John 16:13,14
Bill, could we discuss some areas where we do agree
allowing scripture to interpret scripture
becausefor me it is totally frustratingto
have togo the long route by way of Gk
philosophy, logic, etc.
Could we agree on the following
Good, then we can move on to what the scriptural
definitions of life and death might be.
Have weestablished the fact that God, Satan,
and mankind are allspirit and all commune spirit to
spirit?.
Job tells us "there is a spirit in man and the
inspiration of the Almighty giveth them
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death
was Re:John 16:13,14
Good, then we can move on to what the scriptural
definitions of life and death might be.
Have weestablished the fact that God, Satan,
and mankind are allspirit and all commune spirit to
spirit
Not a very pleasant way to express yourself
Bill.
If you have had all you can take - it is your problem
rather than mine.
Be glad to communicate whenever you have
recovered. judyt
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:44:04 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, I agree with all of this
YOU KNOW NOT WHEREOF YOU SPEAK!!
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Judy
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Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 20, 2005 16:17
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death
was Re:John 16:13,14
Not a very pleasant way
Lance if you have something to say I would be glad to
hear you but I'm a little (no a lot) tired of
these never ending one liners that constantly remind me
of my seeming (to you) ignorance. If you can
show me where I am wrong IN GOD'S WORD I am all eyes
and ears. If not, thenplease restrain
note of this qualifier)
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 20, 2005 16:35
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Death
was Re:John 16:13,14
Lance if you have something to say I would
What you do Lance feels to me like "ad-hominem" I
know you disagree with what you see asmy enlightenment
tainted doctrine and you
don't think that those of us who are not into the "Christ event" the same way
you are
know what we are talking about. But then you
don't think that those of us
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Sent: July 20, 2005 16:55
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was Re:John 16:13,14
What you do Lance feels to me like "ad-hominem"
I know you disagree with what you see asmy enlightenment
tainted doctrine and you
d
] Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14
Not a very pleasant way to express yourself Bill.
If you have had all you can take - it is your problem rather than mine.
Be glad to communicate whenever you have recovered. judyt
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 13:44:04 -0600 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECT
:) yeah, I thought it rather funny,
too.
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Bill, I love ya, man
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Sent: July 20, 2005
16:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Spiritual Death was Re:John 16:13,14
What you do Lance feels to me like
ad-hominem I know you disagree with what you see asmy
enlightenment
Marlin Halverson wrote:
The law defines sin. Sin is the transgression of the law. The soul that
sinneth, it shall die.
DAVEH: I assume this is commonly accepted by Protestants and other TTers.
Question.just how do you (TTers/Protestants) understand death of the soul?
Orhow does
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