David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Laura,
I think you have missed David's point entirely. Marlin is convicted to honor the SABBATH, as scripture clearly tells us to do.
Michael D: Hey Izzy, if you will oblige, I am interested in knowing where in the scriptureI'll bae able to find
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Laura,
I think you have missed
David's point entirely. Marlin is convicted to honor the SABBATH, as scripture clearly tells us to do.
Michael
D: Hey Izzy
ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Michael D,
You could start with the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20:8-11:
“Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the 7th day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you
You have made a fine point. However, it doesn't excuse Heb. 10:25. We are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, like some do. That is the bottom. This is not to be in disagreement with your post.
Michael D: I believe alot of the confusion concerning this issue relates to the fact
Why? Because it is false teaching. It is wrong to teach falsely. What group of Christians do you worship with on a regular basis?
Why? Because this false teaching attempts to take away the freedom we have in Christ. Izzy is on your side and she gave Bible. You did not respond to the Bible verse
Marlin, I still have heard an answer from you concerning your selling of Christmas product? Do you sell Christmas product or not? Why is this so hard to answer?
Marlin, If you are against Christmas that is fine with me but I still want to know if you benefit financially from the sale of items from your business during the Christmas season. Laura
Glenn wrote:
I will give you my two bits worth. It is you, Martin.
You have a party spirit. You are the one who can't
worship with others on a continuing basis.
You are the one who gives me the impression if we
can't understand your questions without answers,
we are not spiritual.
You are
In a message dated 11/11/2002 9:37:13 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Laura wrote:
I don't know anyone who is a Christian who can get
by without worshipping on a regular basis with other
believers and still maintain their walk with God.
No denomination is perfect, no church is
See David, I disagree with you. Marlin is not answering questions. How many times has he been asked this question? We still have no answer. Here's the truth. IF he sells Christmas trees, or anything associated with Christmas, he is a hypocrite. If he doesn't sell anything to do with Christmas is
Laura wrote:
This isn't about what day we worship - it is
about the fact that Martin seems not to worship
with other believers on a regular basis.
You and Glenn completely missed my point.
Think about it this way. Right or wrong, suppose you came to the ideology
that Saturday would be the
Marlin wrote:
JER 10:3For the customs of the people [are] vain:
for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of
the hands of the workman, with the axe.
JER 10:4They deck it with silver and with gold;
they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it
move not.
JER 10:5
Glenn wrote:
Many have it backwards today. They give sinners
hell and gently talk to Christians. Jesus was the
opposite when he talked to the woman at the well
and the religious leaders of his day.
Glenn, the problem is that you are the pastor here, the doctor, the
representative of the
Glenn wrote:
Many have it backwards today. They give sinners
hell and gently talk to Christians. Jesus was the
opposite when he talked to the woman at the well
and the religious leaders of his day.
Glenn, the problem is that you are the pastor here, the doctor, the
representative of the
In a message dated 11/11/2002 12:47:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ok, Laura. How about this. You go to a Messianic assembly next Saturday
and meet with them regularly. Their music may not be your favorite, and
their format of worship might not be what you want, and their
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Laura,
I
think you have missed David's point entirely. Marlin is convicted to honor the
SABBATH, as scripture clearly tells us to do. So what if he lives in an area
where there is no Sabbath-worshipping fellowship What if it takes a great
deal of planning to get a group
: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:45
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In a message dated 11/11/2002 12:47:54 PM Central Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Ok, Laura. How about this. You go to a Messianic
assembly next Saturdayand meet with them regularly. Their music
may
In a message dated 11/11/2002 2:56:09 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I know that you were not finding fault with Saturday worship. I'm just wondering how willing you are to follow your own advise!
I'd go to a Messianic service - They have awesome music and serve the same
Then he should worship somewhere on Sunday or start a group on Saturday. Laura
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Glenn,
You
are the one bringing up "doctrine of origins", (which by the way is not in the
Bible);Marlin never did. This is theology terminology psychobabble
thatcertain people like to use to confuse the issue when they can't come
up with scripture to defend their point of
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Laura,
Thanks
for giving him that. And if he is led to worship on the Sabbath, isn't it
obvious to you that he is not going to worship on Sunday
instead?
Izzy
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Laura,
Thanks for giving him that. And if he is led to worship on the Sabbath, isn't it obvious to you that he is not going to worship on Sunday instead?
Izzy
Are you serious? So if you don't have a
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Laura,
You
don't have to worship-every-Sunday-in-church to worship. As I said, the Amish
worship as a church group every other Sunday. Some folks don't have a church
nearby, so they worship at home. Some folks are too ill to leave their homes;
does that mean they "don't
The below statement is a total lack of knowledge. I am getting out of this discussion. Bye.
PS. Still waitng to see if Marlin is selling Christmas trees or materials?
I wonder that God didn't get after David for not worshipping; after all, he just wrote songs and sang them from the pastures!
To Whom It May Concern:
We do not sell Christmas products.
Not that it should make any difference, we fellowship
regularly with some wonderful and loving Seventh Day Adventists, and attend
independent Bible studies with many of the same people. We do not
subscribe to all of their ideas,
In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:20:11 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jumping to conclusions is not wise.
noone was jumpint to conclusions. Thanks for answering the questions. Laura
Marlin, this sounds like false idols to me. Am I wrong?
Yes. We agree. False idols.
I know a lot of people try and say this is a christmas tree. You don't
think that, do you?
Dear David,
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is close enough for
me to consider that it
Marlin, you brought it on yourself. I just responded to the Holy Spirit inside of me. You NEVER attempted to REFUTE ONE THING I HAVE SAID. So there's no carrying on a conservation with you.
I attended a 7th Day Adventists prophecy workshop. It was the worse thing I ever attended. Tried to sneak
The answer to your Christmas problem is the "doctrine of origins". There is nothing in the Bible that says it is a sin IF IT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE.
The first part of Jeremiah 10 sure sounds like a Christmas tree. Later
verses could show that it is some kind of a carved object, an image. I
realize
Glenn,
You teased Blainer for running off.youd
better not do it now! J
Izzy
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I'm not leaving TT. I just think I am hindering Marlin and your conservation. So I am going to bow out of this conservation for now. The conservation seems to be all one sided. I say something but Marlin doesn't address what I said. I am going to just watch. I might jump in a little, but I hope
Glenn,
Lets all just kiss and make up! J
Hugs,
Izzy
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I'm not leaving TT. I
Glenn wrote:
I want Bible. I don't care about what you think.
I care about what the Bible says.
Glenn, I'm somewhat offended by your comments here. If you only care about
what they Bible says, why be on this list? You have a Bible, don't you?
Just go read it.
The purpose of a list like this
Glenn to DavidM -- Refuse to be offended is the only way to stay on TT.
Glenn wrote:
I want Bible. I don't care about what you think.
I care about what the Bible says.
Glenn, I'm somewhat offended by your comments here. If you only care about
what they Bible says, why be on this list? You have
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I want Bible. I don't care about what you
think. I care about what the Bible says.
Marlin,
I did
not ask you the question below about Christmasthat
FURTHERMORE, comment below was in response to NOT answering questions.
Glenn wrote:
I want Bible. I don't care about what you think.
I care about what the Bible says.
Glenn, I'm somewhat offended by your comments here. If you only care about
what they Bible says, why be on this list? You have
Izzy, this kind of belief will lead to you all sorts of extremes and into cults if you are not careful. I grew up with this anti-Christmas belief and it IS WRONG WRONG WRONG. You need to think outside the box. THERE IS ONE EXTREMIST GROUP THAT BELIEVES THE FALSE DOCTRINE that if it not in the
Izzy, you didn't address my comments.
PS. I haven't judged Martin's motives. I don't have a clue what he is saying AND I said that. But his implication is that Christmas is a sin! I WILL TELL YOU THIS. HE COMES ACROSS WITH PIOUS ARROGANCE. Is he arrogantly pious? I don't have a clue as he
Glenn wrote:
HE COMES ACROSS WITH PIOUS ARROGANCE.
Izzy says: And you dont
09, 2002 6:28
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Martin -
Quite frankly this is double talk. I have had enough of it with the
Mormons so I recognize it quite quickly. If it doesn't matter if
you are against Christmas then why send links. Notice that was not a
question. I have to assu
The world is going to hell and you are against Christmas. Wow! Where is a Bible verse against it? Your argument from Biblical silence is bad hermeneutics. To follow this method of Biblical interpretation is to lead to all kinds of confusion. This is what leads the C/C to call instrumental
What is a party spirit? Laura
1CO 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you
as unto spiritual, but
as unto
carnal, [even] as unto babes in Christ.1CO 3:2 I
have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye
were not
able [to bear it], neither yet now are ye able.1CO
3:3 For
I will give you my two bits worth. It is you, Martin. You have a party spirit. You are the one who can't worship with others on a continuing basis.
You are the one who gives me the impression if we can't understand your questions without answers, we are not spiritual.
You are the one who has
Yes, you do. "You" are your party spirit. You are your own denomination. You have separated yourself from others. This is the party spirit.
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We do not belong to a denomination and we do not believe in a
Glenn,
Im so glad that David Miller is making
such progress with you! J
Izzy
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elling my
name.
Love,
Marlin
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Thanks Martin, for your
reply. It helps me understand you much better. 1. I am not
surprise
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Thanks Martin, for your
reply. It helps me understand you much better.
1. I am not surprised you can't get along with any Christians and have to
stay by yourself. You should consider you are the one in error. I
say this because you can't get
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The world is going to hell and you are against
Christmas. Wow! Where is a Bible verse against it? Your
argument from Biblical silence is bad hermeneutics. To follow this method
of Biblical interpretation is to lead to all kinds of confusion
reality is that the followers of Jesus are a part of the continuum from the beginning. They were forced out of the synagogues because those in power rejected Jesus. They retreated into house churches. They became persecuted.
By the way, you have been mis-spelling my name.
Love,
Marlin
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It doesn't matter what you prefer. The word Christian is a divinely called name. Others on TT, I'm sure are smarter, than Strongs though. :-)
Marlin, himself told me he did worship with anyone. Marlin, himself.
Excuse me, Glenn, but where did Marlin say he was not able to get along with other
10, 2002
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It doesn't matter what you prefer. The word Christian
is a divinely called name. Others on TT, I'm sure are smarter, than
Strongs though. :-)
Marlin, himself told me he did worship with anyone. Marlin,
himself.
Excuse me
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It doesn't matter what you prefer. The word Christian is a divinely called name. Others on TT, I'm sure are smarter, than Strongs though. :-)
Marlin, himself told me he did worship
: Sunday, November 10, 2002
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Izzy, I don't have a clue why you are on my back.
YOU DON'T GIVE ME BIBLE. No, on second thought, I do understand why you
are on my back. I stand by Hebrews 10:25 you can stand on
Marlin. Excuses, excuses, excuses
On a good day I do both. Izzy
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Do you worship with Christians on Saturday or just
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You, also, did not address my post. Bible
please.
\Where in the Bible does it say it is a sin (Marlins says it is or words to
that effect.) to celebrate
and devour one
another, take heed that ye be notconsumed one of another.
Love,
Marlin
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I did
ask Marlin and he said words
Dear Izzy,
Does it really matter to you to know whether I am against
Christmas? Most people, 99%, cannot be bothered with the truth. They
are too busy.
I understand that there is only so much time.
But when the Lord brings something to my attention, it
is my duty before Him, because I
Martin - Quite frankly this is double talk. I have had enough of it with the Mormons so I recognize it quite quickly. If it doesn't matter if you are against Christmas then why send links. Notice that was not a question. I have to assume it matters to you or you wouldn't send links.
Just like the
?
Izzy
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Dear Izzy,
Does it really matter to you to know
whether I am against
I want Bible. I don't care about what you think. I care about what the Bible says.
Marlin,
I did not ask you the question below about Christmas—that came from Glenn. I find your comments very interesting. I can also see the value of not getting caught up on what are now secular holidays. The
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