Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus had the same sinful flesh that we have

2004-02-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Bill, Thank you for taking the time to answer Judy's post with such a detailed response. Although I, too, believe that Jesus said, "My God, My God, what haveyou forsaken me?" to bring Psalm 22 to the minds of those present at the cross, and toour mindsthrough the scriptures, the question

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus had the same sinful flesh that we have

2004-02-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Perry, thanks. I probably should have made myself clearer here. Jesus, as he did throughout his life, was crying their cry, humanity's cry, when he cried, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me. Bill - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke To: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Graven images

2004-02-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
Paul the Apostle tells us to Put on the whole armour of God... Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able

[TruthTalk] Jesus had the same sinful flesh that we have

2004-02-28 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good Morning Bill/WT: Thanks for your explanation which I deleted for the sake of brevity ... to begin with we can agree that Christ is Lord of all and that's a start. So far as I know there are no limits on this forum other than personal/ad hominem

Re: [TruthTalk] Graven images

2004-02-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
Blaine: LOL What magical powers? Yes, I too see it as ridiculous. Unbelievably a ChurchAuthority said this. What a giggle. Elder Carlos E. Asay Emeritus Member of the First Quorum of the Seventy It is written that "the white garment symbolizes purity and helps assure modesty, respect for the

Re: [TruthTalk] Graven images

2004-02-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, here is another interesting find: TX STATE INFOCRYPTIC COPPER PLATES-TREAS CLUE?/WILSON TT DEC 71 58 TT is True Treasure Magazine Perry _ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S.

[TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-02-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, We have discussed on the group the fact that there is no archaeological evidence of early Hebrew civilizations in the Americas. However, I was searching an extensive index of treasure related magazines and found the following entry: TYPE TITLE/AUTHOR

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus had the same sinful flesh that we have

2004-02-28 Thread elextech
Yes, I've been thinking about that since I first responded last night. You're correct; lust is sin, therefore Jesus did not lust. He, like us, was tempted to lust (for a woman, food, drink, whatever), but He did not give in to that temptation, therefore he did not lust nor did He sin.

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus had the same sinful flesh that we have

2004-02-28 Thread elextech
You're using the convention of using terms like mankind to mean only men to the exclusion of women. By that logic, the scriptures which promise we will all be sons of God must exclude women. No, I don't believe you're correct. On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:29:49 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-02-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Blaine, We have discussed on the group the fact that there is no archaeological evidence of early Hebrew civilizations in the Americas. However, I was searching an extensive index of treasure related magazines and found the following entry: TYPE

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-02-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Terry wrote: I was also raised in Kentucky and can verify that there was an old Hebrew living there at the time. Mystery solved! But, Terry, the coin is from the second century. I doubt that you were there back then...but I could be mistaken! VBG I found an article that says a farmer in

Re: [TruthTalk] Graven images

2004-02-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: Noone ever said sacred underwear would be a protection in the same sense as being righteous--But, I don't understand why you are even concerned about the underwear I wear, Kevin? Are you just trying to be offensive, obnoxious, or what? The following is conjecture only, but you

[TruthTalk] Graven images

2004-02-28 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Blaine Borrowman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blaine: Noone ever said sacred underwear would be a protection in the same sense as being righteous--But, I don't understand why you are even concerned about the underwear I wear, Kevin? Are you just trying to be offensive, obnoxious, or what?

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus had the same sinful flesh that we have

2004-02-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
I think the problem is the way we think of Tempt. I believe it is more like a test. A test only shows what is already there. What was the true nature of Jesus? When I was a welder, there was a suite of tests that a weld would under go. If a weld failed in some applications it could be

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-02-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
How about the Kinderhook plates that Jo got fooled into translating a forged set of plates? How does a Prophet, Seer Revelator get fool by a forgery made by some 19th century Farmers? http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/kinderhookplates.htmCharles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine,We

Re: [TruthTalk] Graven images

2004-02-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
How could anyone believe in magic garments? http://www.voy.com/62752/3/3196.html This is JUST ONE Account of the magic Talisman qualities, see more on the link: Jo:I can't recall what happened to cause the accident but an accident happened and the chopper went down. His co-pilot died. Our friend

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus had the same sinful flesh that we have

2004-02-28 Thread elextech
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:50:17 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It all comes down to how you view Christ was he Impecable or not. All the cults see him as pecable, since he had to struggle work out his salvation. Just like they must struggle and attempt to impress a Holy

Re: [TruthTalk] Graven images

2004-02-28 Thread elextech
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:19:36 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anecdotes are circulated among TBMs about the miraculous protective powers of the temple garments. That kinda reminds me of when I was young. I had the misfortune to have been born into the roman catholic

Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come

2004-02-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
BLAINE Your report made it seem as if Mormons are under a great deal of pressure to pay their annual 10% tithe. I don't think there is much pressure, other than that of individual conscience, to pay tithes or other contributions. Again I find info that is directly contrary to what you say. I am

Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come

2004-02-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
You mean there are how many MILLIONS of Mormons earning multiple thousands a year. Paying TITHES on that and you have no accounting of where the money goes? I wonder what that would work out to? No FINANCIAL Responsibility, WOW! Doesn't the CORPORATION of the Church of J C L D S own significant

Re: [TruthTalk] Graven images

2004-02-28 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Kevin.From what you wrote below, I can only assume you do not understand what our religious garments symbolize. Does CEA suggest they (the garments) have magical powers? May I suggest you read it again and ponder what he is trying to convey. Kevin Deegan wrote: Blaine: LOL What

[TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-02-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Went to the movies today for the first time in about twenty-five years. My wife and I saw "The passion of Christ". The first few minutes were a turn off because I had understood that the script was true to the Gospels, and right away it was evident that several artistic liberties had been

RE: [TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-02-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Terry wrote: As He finishes praying, a large snake crawls up to him and He stomps on it's head. At that point, I was ready to walk out... I am sure this scene, although not in the Gospels, refers to God's chastisement of the serpent in Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the

[TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-02-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Thanks for sharing your perspective Terry, I've been hearing so much about this movie and presently have mixed feelings about it. Our daughter got tickets for our whole familyso I will be going next Saturday; I've readabout the making of the movie. Apparently Mel Gibson is a devout RC and he

Re: [TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-02-28 Thread Terry Clifton
You cannot miss the catholic slant to this movie. Way too much Mary; no Joseph of Aramethea or Nicodemas. Ne veil in the temple being torn, or a few other things I would have shown, but still the best movie in town. I'm glad I went. You will be too. Terry rom: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] The passion of Christ

2004-02-28 Thread Terry Clifton
- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am sure this scene, although not in the Gospels, refers to God's chastisement of the serpent in Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-02-28 Thread elextech
Over the years, I've read various books, magazine articles, etc. which report various bits of evidence that the Chinese, the Phoenecians, the Egyptians, the Carthaginians, the Vikings, the Celts, etc. visited or even set up trading posts in the Americas earlier than 2000 years ago. Finding a

Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-02-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
In the article I posted, it says the coin was a reproduction of a real Hebrew coin, probably manufactured and given away sometime in the early 20th c. These coins have been found in areas in Tennessee, Kentucky, and N. Carolina, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL