Again, shame on you for your imperfectoin. You charge for your services. Judging motives is a sin.
The dots of love of money and NIV do not connect.
Note that today, the KJV is available freely in electronic form without any
need of payment whatsoever. The NIV is not free. One must pay, even
I believe that the King James ONLY position is much better than the NIV is a
great translation position. I also think it is better than the anti-King
James Only position. :-) At least they are willing to believe the Bible as
written, but when you see-saw around the way you have with the Bible to
These are loaded questions. ONE CAN ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS OF THE KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE translators and the answers are idential.
Frankly, I think KJ translators were cowards in that they did not have the guts to translate "baptizo" immersion since the King was sprinkled. I am not
David Miller wrote:
It is not an objective translation. The most obvious bias,
of course, is that fact that they excluded all denominations
that hold to the majority text position.
Glenn wrote:
Of course they did. And rightly so. I think this is why you
are weak on condemning the King
Glenn -
If you live and continue to use the King James ONLY
you will have more and more problems with communicating
to people today just as you have had with me and the word
perfect; which you now admit is not perfect love, peace,
faith, etc. :-)
This is not some new admission. I told you
Glenn wrote:
The major reference Cults Reference Bible defines cults:
A group of people polarized about the religious interpretations
or teachings of a specific individual or organization. IT
ALWAYS CLAIMS TO BE IN HARMONY WITH
CHRISTIANITY, BUT IT ALWAYS ENDS UP
DENYING THAT JESUS CHRIST
If there was no need to translate batpizo then there is no need to translate any of it.
Glenn wrote:
The word baptized was not even translated.
I just don't have any respect for this.
I don't have much respect for what you are saying here. What you don't
understand is that men like King James
Wrong. Read who their Jesus is right below this.
Glenn wrote:
The major reference "Cults Reference Bible" defines cults:
A group of people polarized about the religious interpretations
or teachings of a specific individual or organization. IT
ALWAYS CLAIMS TO BE IN HARMONY WITH
Glenn wrote:
The Bible teaches a laborer is worthy of is hire. If you
don't want to charge, that is fine, but don't condemn
NIV translators if they do. They are within the bounds
of the Bible to do so.
I don't have a problem with them creating a translation and charging money
for selling the
Gary wrote:
the Ap. John is not the village idiot--he doesn't
say or mean that their sins cease, are non-existent,
or, that they are now completely perfect, but he
does say/mean this about his perfect sinless friend,
JC himself, whom he loves
Just to make sure we are clear:
We know that
1 John 3:8. New American Standard Version
3:8 - [In Context|Original Greek]the one who practices sin is of R126 the devil; for the devil has F15 sinned from the beginning. The R127 Son of God appeared R128 for this purpose, to R129 destroy the works of the devil.
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In a message dated 10/17/2002 8:23:33 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You have obviously never heard me preach. You are imagining what you think
I must be preaching. Don't you understand that I have worked with sinners
of all kinds, from the homosexual with aids, to
David Miller wrote:
The ones who ignore personal responsibility for
sin, in my opinion, are those who cop-out and
say that we will always sin and there is nothing
that we can do about it until Jesus comes back.
Glenn wrote:
This very statement is why I think people are blinded
to this
Gary wrote:
interestingly, Isaiah doesn't preach this passage
the way you do, David--he isn't clutching apriori
to perfectionism for himself alone; he actually
includes himself as a sinner among sinners in the
audience
Of course, and so did Peter during the first few years of his
Glenn wrote:
I have not met anyone like you describe above. What is
the difference in your perfect doctrine and the Lordship
doctrine. I understand the Lordship doctrine teaches you
much not only make Jesus your Savior but also be totally
committed to Him as your Lord, or you won't go to
Laura wrote:
What happens when one of these hard sinners is
saved. Is he immediately perfect? Perfect in the
sense that he never sins again.
I've met both types. Some immediately clean up an start a new life. Others
appear that way for awhile, but stumble and have to get back up again.
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:19:54 -0400 "David
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:You have obviously never heard me preach. You are
imagining...
..well, what does this sound
like(?):
Isaiah 64:6..is a major part of my
preaching to sinners, especially to religious, self-righteous
hypocrites.
Gary wrote:
being 'in Christ' and being Christ are two different
realities: when you *are* Christ you will never sin
The Bible says,
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten
of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. (1Jo 5:18)
I realize
ftr, 1 Jn 5, in either KJV or NIV (but in the
NIV, as follows), teaches that the only perfect one is JC
himself--among us humans there is no one perfect but God
Evidence:
1Jn.5:16ff.: If any man see his
brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask [God], and[God]
shall give him
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:52:17 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ftr, 1 Jn 5, in either KJV or NIV (but in the
*[KJV]*, as follows), teaches that the
only perfect one is JC himself--among us humans there is no one
perfect but God
Evidence:
1Jn.5:16ff.: If any man see
his
Glenn wrote:
This is where the NIV clears up the KJV.
Actually, this is where the NIV CORRUPTS the text by adding words that do
not exist in any of the manuscripts. The NIV gives heavier weight to
corrupted Egyptian manuscripts that lack many of the verses contained in the
majority of
Gary wrote:
1Jn.5:16ff.: If any man see his brother sin a sin which
is not unto death, he shall ask [God], and [God] shall
give him life..We know that whosoever is born of God
sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth
himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
the Ap. John is
Right, this is proof texting. I have had my fill of proof texting with the C/C. YOU CAN TAKE ANY ONE VERSE AND MAKE IT MEAN ANYTHING YOU WANT IT TO MEAN!
If you stand by 1 John 1:8, you had better read it in context. I stand by 1
John 1:8 too, because it is foundational for my teaching on
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