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interesting --perhapswhile yer curled upfondlingmyow 
myow,try to juxtapose your inadvertant underlying insightto 
the real point:



"but Am. conservative Muslim theory ain't really 
their fault: 'either get our new WalMarts opened on time in Baghdad 
or face us blowin' you to (the other) hell (we're 
financing')]"




  ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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..Wal-Mart? 
..they dont pay enough or give enough benefits to those POOR people who 
work there so SAD!

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.. it ain't that prettyat 
all

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  "but Am. conservative Muslim theory ain't really 
  their fault: 'either get our new WalMarts opened on time in 
  Baghdad or face us blowin' you to (the other) hell (we're 
  financing')]"

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:17:57 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  ..perhapswhile yer curled 
  upfondlingmyow myow..
  
  ..re-consideryour role in 
  repentance,even somerock starsaren't adverse to it, 
  e.g.,
  
  
  
  "_sitting_ under my blue sky of 
  deceptionthe colors run every time it rainswrought brought forth 
  fashioned from inceptionmy own hands and i take all the blame
  refrain:
  as the light goes outdarkness 
  with her bated breathwaits out on periphery of the camp firedecadence 
  and violence we do best
  burned out face down in the 
  gutterlowest point i could find to ground zeroroll back alibis and 
  skies are crushingdo we paint with much too black a brush
  rock and roll what is it any 
  moreyouth profound or profane to endurepassion in the back seat or at 
  the foot of the crossgoing going gone and finally lost" Bill Mallonee (BMI) 
©1997

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"but Am. 
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"Tweedle-dee Dum and Tweedle-dee 
DeeThey're throwing knives into the treeTwo big bags of dead man's 
bonesGot their noses to the grindstones

Living in the Land of NodTrustin' their 
fate to the Hands of GodThey pass by so silentlyTweedle-dee Dum and 
Tweedle-dee Dee

Well, they're going to the country, they're 
gonna retireThey're taking a streetcar named DesireLooking in the window 
at the pecan pieLot of things they'd like they would never 
buy

Neither one gonna turn and runThey're 
making a voyage to the sun"His Master's voice is calling me,"Says 
Tweedle-dee Dum to Tweedle-dee Dee

Tweedle-dee Dee and Tweedle-dee DumAll 
that and more and then someThey walk among the stately treesThey know 
the secrets of the breeze

Tweedle-dee Dum said to Tweedle-dee 
Dee"Your presence is obnoxious to me."They're like babies sittin' on a 
woman's kneeTweedle-dee Dum and Tweedle-dee Dee

Well, the rain beating down on my 
windowpaneI got love for you and it's all in vainBrains in the pot, 
they're beginning to boilThey're dripping with garlic and olive 
oil

Tweedle-dee Dee - he's on his hands and his 
kneesSaying, "Throw me somethin', Mister, please.""What's good for you 
is good for me,"Says Tweedle-dee Dum to Tweedle-dee 
Dee

Well, they're living in a happy 
harmonyTweedle-dee Dum and Tweedle-dee DeeThey're one day older and a 
dollar shortThey've got a parade permit and a police 
escort

They're lying low and they're makin' 
hayThey seem determined to go all the wayThey run a brick and tile 
companyTweedle-dee Dum and Tweedle-dee Dee

Well a childish dream is a deathless 
needAnd a noble truth is a sacred creedMy pretty baby, she's lookin' 
aroundShe's wearin' a multi-thousand dollar gown

Tweedle-dee Dee is a lowdown, sorry old 
manTweedle-dee Dum, he'll stab you where you stand"I've had too much of 
your company,"Says, Tweedle-dee Dum to Tweedle-dee 
Dee"
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ftr, particDaveH--* = an 
influentialphrase (to me)fromthe title of a Warren Zevon 
song,the best rendition of it iv'e heardby the Pixies with Zevon's 
son Jordanafter Warren's relatively recent death--on the Zevon 
post-mortemCD 'Enjoy Every Sandwich' (indeed:)



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2006-03-26 Thread ShieldsFamily









Pretty close! J











From:
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Izzy





PS She was driving a nicer car than I have;
but then so does everyone. -) 



































ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh, how the Libs LOVE demeaning Wal-Mart!
How very predictable you would bring it up. And what is your PROBLEM with
Wal-Mart? Oh, they dont pay enough or give enough benefits to those POOR
people who work there; so SAD! My book club (SLU Womens Club) read some
libs expose on Wal-Mart and they were all up in arms about how they
refuse to shop there. A few months later which merchant allowed us to
solicit funds for our SLU Hospital Auxiliary at their doors? You guessed it,
Wal-Mart! Did they boycott that; no way, Baby! So, while I was
there soliciting donations I noticed this young female Wal-Mart employee on her
cellphone trying to get someone to come and pick her up because she locked her
keys in her car; obviously with no luck. So when it was time for me to
leave I said Come on, Ill give you a ride home. While we were
driving to her apartment we were talking, and she told me that she (around age
24) had full custody of four children (her sisters, brothers, nephews in some
combination). She is raising them as a single woman, while attending
classes at the U of Mo in STL on a psychology degree, while volunteering part
time at a local hospital and working part time cleaning houses and part time at
Wal-Mart. I asked What do you think about how Wal-Mart treats its
employees? She said Oh its so wonderful working there. They
treat us all SO well. And if it werent for my benefits there I
could never dream of taking care of my kids! So stick that in your pipe
and puff on it. Izzy PS She was driving a nicer car than I have;
but then so does everyone. -) 



















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Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-26 Thread Kevin Deegan

The liberals have some kind of Papist FIXATION that their Opinion should affect your Opinion! Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opinion??? Oh well!! "So what is man whose breath is in his nostril??" I will "ditto" Izzy - There is just one that matters to me and it is not yours JD On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 02:18:30 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Judy -- I do know what you believe.Let me make something clear since our time together is
quickly coming to an end. "Carnal" applies to you, IMO, because of what I see as a reliance on your own brand of intellectualism. As a result, you own the most unusual collection of theological opinions I have ever seen. On the good side, you are one of the most imaginative theologians I know something I actually respect. It is what I see in Barth and the others. what is most difficult is your attitude during a discussion. You simply do not know how to disagree without the personal assault. On other forums, I am not nearly as aggressive as I am here -- but there simply is no other way to be when in the presence of you, Linda, Kev and even David (at times). I know that you will not agree with any of my view expressed above -- but most of what I have said is, IMO, a good report of you.
Finally, if your posts do not tell us what you believe, your purpose for writing is suspect. Since I can read, I do know what you believe. jd-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know enough to recognize the real when I see it and so do my BSF buddies You JD, don't know what I believe, nor can you evaluate my BSF buddies Quit being so presumptuous, it is not a godly traitOn Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:26:45 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Refer to Matt 28 19ff and Mark 16:15 ff -- and stop prestending that you alone understand scripture. Your BSF buddies do not think much of your theology, that is for sure. jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" Aberrent theologiesmake little cookie cutter disciples just like Lance and Bill Only Jesus' Words make disciples that look like HimOn Sat, 25 Mar
2006 23:46:52 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Results? #3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)2. Tower of power
evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same. you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has the responsibility to search it out for themselves.On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would
be so watered down as to be really meaningless. From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You wa

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-26 Thread knpraise


Can't make disciples without mentoring - it is impossible. Apparently you do not know this -- I'm guessing you don't do it or you wouldn't make fun of the idea. 

jd

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Go ye into all the world and Mentor the Gospel!

Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. 

Protest-evangelism -- ditto.

Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So tell us about it.

Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Results? #3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 

1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)

2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.

3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)

We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. 

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
the responsibility to search it out for themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 OM .C> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism&
amp; amp;g t;   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-26 Thread Kevin Deegan

Not so JD.  that is Job ONE  1 CO 1:11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.Lets compare lists of "men" that follow. Since you are big on this is the way let us see how you walk in it.BTW just what things in you, do they follow?  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Can't make disciples without mentoring - it is impossible. Apparently you do not know this -- I'm guessing you don't do it or you wouldn't make fun of the idea. jdjd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Go ye into all the world and Mentor the Gospel!Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. Protest-evangelism -- ditto.Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin
 Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So tell us about it.Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Results? #3  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not
 always)2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they  do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are
 unbelievers teaching it  There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has  the responsibility to search it out for themselves.On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring
 factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless.   From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent:
 Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original
 Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily&

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-26 Thread Kevin Deegan

And OH YEAH, JD  Be sure to list what the men you have "Mentored" are doing now.  Things like Full time missionaries, Pastors, Street Preachers,   or in your casewhatever it is that they DO and that you have mentored them up  onward to...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Can't make disciples without mentoring - it is impossible. Apparently you do not know this -- I'm guessing you don't do it or you wouldn't make fun of the idea. jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Go ye into all the world and Mentor the
 Gospel!Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. Protest-evangelism -- ditto.Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So tell us about it.Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Results? #3  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.3.
 Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they  do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it  There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has  the responsibility to search it out for themselves.On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless.   From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  Of course. But that is not really the issue.
 -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily"
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Dodging the question, as usual.  iz

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It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.

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 That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, you
 would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those the
 words? Probably got it comin'.

 Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.
 creationism)

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 So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all that's left.
 Pathetic IMO.  izzy

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 Still no.

 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?
 JD?
 izzy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it
 then,
 I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools
 either.

 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,
 Williams
 said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.

 So how have I mischaracterized him?

 David Miller

 - Original Message - 
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position. 
 DOUBLE
 YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly trapped,
 David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you
 believe,
 Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've done to
 you
 and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple
 yikes)
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 Lance wrote:
 If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then
 you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.

 I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane ought to
 be
 separate.  I am not sectarian within the group of those who have
 submitted
 unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

 Lance wrote:
 He is a brother in Christ who believes
 differently than you on some matters.
 Now, if that makes him what you say
 then, that makes you what I say.

 He is not a liberal loony for believing differently from me.  The
 moniker
 was offered because of his statement about how acknowledgement of our
 Creator did not belong in schools.  He made an irrational statement,
 assuming that CNN reported him accurately.  If he is a brother in
 Christ,
 then I expect to hear a retraction or clarification made soon as other
 believers correct him.  If he is not a brother in Christ, then he will
 continue to support the working of iniquity that seeks to remove the
 acknowledgment of God our Creator from the schools.  What he said was
 very
 damaging to our society, to believers who want to acknowledge God the
 Creator in their study of origins.  To think that science and the
 acknowledgement of God are incompatible is expected from scientists 
 but
 not
 from theologians, and certainly not from the Right Reverend Doctor
 Rowland
 Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury.

 David Miller

 --
 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you 
 may
 know how you ought to answer every man.  (Colossians 4:6)
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Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

IZ:No, I would not.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Dodging the question, as usual.  iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.

.
- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, 
you

would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those 
the

words? Probably got it comin'.

Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.
creationism)

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all that's 
left.

Pathetic IMO.  izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Still no.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?
JD?
izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it
then,
I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools
either.

- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,
Williams
said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.

So how have I mischaracterized him?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position.
DOUBLE
YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly trapped,
David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you
believe,
Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've done to
you
and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple
yikes)
- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Lance wrote:

If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then
you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.

I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane ought 
to

be
separate.  I am not sectarian within the group of those who have
submitted
unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

Lance wrote:

He is a brother in Christ who believes
differently than you on some matters.
Now, if that makes him what you say
then, that makes you what I say.

He is not a liberal loony for believing differently from me.  The
moniker
was offered because of his statement about how acknowledgement of our
Creator did not belong in schools.  He made an irrational statement,
assuming that CNN reported him accurately.  If he is a brother in
Christ,
then I expect to hear a retraction or clarification made soon as 
other
believers correct him.  If he is not a brother in Christ, then he 
will

continue to support the working of iniquity that seeks to remove the
acknowledgment of God our Creator from the schools.  What he said was
very
damaging to our society, to believers who want to acknowledge God the
Creator in their study of origins.  To think that science and the
acknowledgement of God are incompatible is expected from scientists
but
not
from theologians, and certainly not from the Right Reverend Doctor
Rowland
Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury.

David Miller

--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you
may
know how you

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true
you would NOT want children to be taught about it.  Can you see why some of
us aren't following your logic? iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

IZ:No, I would not.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 Dodging the question, as usual.  iz

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.

 .
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, 
 you
 would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those 
 the
 words? Probably got it comin'.

 Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.
 creationism)

 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all that's 
 left.
 Pathetic IMO.  izzy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 Still no.

 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?
 JD?
 izzy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it
 then,
 I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools
 either.

 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,
 Williams
 said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.

 So how have I mischaracterized him?

 David Miller

 - Original Message - 
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position.
 DOUBLE
 YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly trapped,
 David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you
 believe,
 Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've done to
 you
 and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple
 yikes)
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 Lance wrote:
 If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then
 you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.

 I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane ought 
 to
 be
 separate.  I am not sectarian within the group of those who have
 submitted
 unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

 Lance wrote:
 He is a brother in Christ who believes
 differently than you on some matters.
 Now, if that makes him what you say
 then, that makes you what I say.

 He is not a liberal loony for believing differently from me.  The
 moniker
 was offered because of his statement about how acknowledgement of our
 Creator did not belong in schools.  He made an irrational statement,
 assuming that CNN reported him accurately.  If he is a brother in
 Christ,
 then I expect to hear a retraction or clarification made soon as 
 other
 believers correct him.  If he is not a brother in Christ, then he 
 will
 continue to support the working of iniquity that seeks to remove

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism&
gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho
ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Still no.   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance? 
  JD?   izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it   then,   I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools   either.   - Original Message -   From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March
 23, 2006 15:04   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   The CNN report: Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,   Williams   said: "I don't think it should, actually. No, no." So how have I mischaracterized him? David Miller   - Original Message -----   From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   David:YIKES!! You
 mischaracterize both Williams and his position.   DOUBLE   YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly trapped,   David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you   believe,   Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've done to   you   and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple   yikes)   - Original Message -   From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   Lance wrote:  
t; If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then   you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David. I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane ought   to   be   separate. I am not sectarian within the group of those who have   submitted   unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Lance wrote:   He is a brother in Christ who believes   differently than you on so

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism









So IYO it is better to have secular
folk teaching untruth than truth. I see.
izzy











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
5:46 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO
TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be
responsible -- I don't. 











jd











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be
true 
 you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of

 us aren't following your logic? iz 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 IZ:No, I would not. 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 
  gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. 
  
  . 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
true, 
  you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
those 
  the 
  words? Probably got it comin'. 
  
  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
(i.e. 
  creationism) 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all
that's 
  left. 
  Pathetic IMO. izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  Still no. 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  If you thought it was true would you want it taught in
schools, Lance? 
  JD? 
  izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Lance Muir 
  Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW?
If that's it 
  then, 
  I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be
taught in schools 
  either. 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  The CNN report: Asked if creationism should be taught
in schools, 
  Williams 
  said: I don't think it should, actually. No,
no. 
  
  So how have I mischaracterized him? 
  
  David Miller

  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lance Muir 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: Wednesday, March
22, 2006 10:41 AM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and
his position. 
  DOUBLE 
  YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You
are truly trapped, 
  David. You've bound yourself with your own theology
(not, as you 
  believe, 
  Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for
what they've done to 
  you 
  and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes
(that'd be triple 
  yikes) 
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 22, 2006
10:25 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

In a public school. Think 'long term', Iz.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 06:37
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be 
true
you would NOT want children to be taught about it.  Can you see why some 
of

us aren't following your logic? iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

IZ:No, I would not.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Dodging the question, as usual.  iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.

.
- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,
you
would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those
the
words? Probably got it comin'.

Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.
creationism)

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all that's
left.
Pathetic IMO.  izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Still no.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?
JD?
izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it
then,
I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools
either.

- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,
Williams
said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.

So how have I mischaracterized him?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position.
DOUBLE
YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly 
trapped,

David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you
believe,
Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've done 
to

you
and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple
yikes)
- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Lance wrote:

If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then
you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.

I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane ought
to
be
separate.  I am not sectarian within the group of those who have
submitted
unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

Lance wrote:

He is a brother in Christ who believes
differently than you on some matters.
Now, if that makes him what you say
then, that makes you what I say.

He is not a liberal loony for believing differently from me.  The
moniker
was offered because of his statement about how acknowledgement of 
our

Creator did not belong in schools.  He made an irrational statement,
assuming that CNN reported him accurately.  If he is a brother in
Christ,
then I expect to hear a retraction or clarification made soon as
other

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you  
 would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Still no.   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 
t;  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?   JD?   izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it   then,   I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools   either.  
 - Original Message -   From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   The CNN report: Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,   Williams   said: "I don't think it should, actually. No, no." So how have I mischaracterized him? David Miller   - Original Message -   From: "Lance Muir" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position.   DOUBLE   YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly trapped,   David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you   believe,   Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've done to   you   and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple   yikes)   ----- Original Message -   From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

So, in a public school you prefer that untruth be taught long-term.
Hmm

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:08 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

In a public school. Think 'long term', Iz.

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 06:37
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be 
 true
 you would NOT want children to be taught about it.  Can you see why some 
 of
 us aren't following your logic? iz

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 IZ:No, I would not.

 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 Dodging the question, as usual.  iz

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.

 .
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,
 you
 would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those
 the
 words? Probably got it comin'.

 Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.
 creationism)

 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all that's
 left.
 Pathetic IMO.  izzy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 Still no.

 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?
 JD?
 izzy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it
 then,
 I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools
 either.

 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,
 Williams
 said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.

 So how have I mischaracterized him?

 David Miller

 - Original Message - 
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position.
 DOUBLE
 YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly 
 trapped,
 David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you
 believe,
 Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've done 
 to
 you
 and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple
 yikes)
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 Lance wrote:
 If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then
 you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.

 I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane ought
 to
 be
 separate.  I am not sectarian within the group of those who have
 submitted
 unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

 Lance wrote:
 He is a brother in Christ who believes
 differently than you on some matters.
 Now, if that makes him

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism









Scary to the max. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:14 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







Of course. But that is not really the issue. 











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


So IYO it is better to have
secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I
see. izzy











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
5:46 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO
TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be
responsible -- I don't. 











jd











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be
true 
 you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of

 us aren't following your logic? iz 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 IZ:No, I would not. 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
 ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 
  gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. 
  
  . 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
true, 
  you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
those 
  the 
  words? Probably got it comin'. 
  
  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
(i.e. 
  creationism) 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all
that's 
  left. 
  Pathetic IMO. izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  Still no. 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 
g t;  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  If you thought it was true would you want it taught in
schools, Lance? 
  JD? 
  izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Lance Muir 
  Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW?
If that's it 
  then, 
  I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be
taught in schools 
  either. 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  The CNN report: Asked if creationism should be taught
in schools, 
  Williams 
  said: I don't think it should, actually. No,
no. 
  
  So how have I mischaracterized him? 
  
  David
 Miller 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lance Muir 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: Wednesday, March
22, 2006 10:41 AM 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and
his position. 
  DOUBLE 
  YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You
are truly trapped, 
  David. You've bound yourself with

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Sikhs are permitted to wear 'sacred' daggers to school. The RCMP allow 
turbans over traditional head gear.The Muslim creation story is in the Q'ran 
(soon to be taught at a school near you). Think long term, Iz. When you 
choose shallowness of thought you become


.
- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 07:15
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism



So, in a public school you prefer that untruth be taught long-term.
Hmm

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:08 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

In a public school. Think 'long term', Iz.


- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 06:37
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism



So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be
true
you would NOT want children to be taught about it.  Can you see why some
of
us aren't following your logic? iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

IZ:No, I would not.


- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism



Dodging the question, as usual.  iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.

.
- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism



That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,
you
would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those
the
words? Probably got it comin'.

Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.
creationism)


- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism



So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all that's
left.
Pathetic IMO.  izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Still no.


- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, 
Lance?

JD?
izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it
then,
I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools
either.


- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism



The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,
Williams
said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.

So how have I mischaracterized him?

David Miller


- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position.
DOUBLE
YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly
trapped,
David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you
believe,
Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've done
to
you
and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple
yikes)
- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism



Lance wrote:

If Williams is a 'liberal loonie

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

I refuse to live in fear, but rather in faith. The difference between the
Left and Right.  iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:23 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Sikhs are permitted to wear 'sacred' daggers to school. The RCMP allow 
turbans over traditional head gear.The Muslim creation story is in the Q'ran

(soon to be taught at a school near you). Think long term, Iz. When you 
choose shallowness of thought you become

.
- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 07:15
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 So, in a public school you prefer that untruth be taught long-term.
 Hmm

 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:08 AM
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 In a public school. Think 'long term', Iz.

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 Sent: March 25, 2006 06:37
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be
 true
 you would NOT want children to be taught about it.  Can you see why some
 of
 us aren't following your logic? iz

 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM
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 IZ:No, I would not.

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 Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
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 Dodging the question, as usual.  iz

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 It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.

 .
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 Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
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 That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,
 you
 would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those
 the
 words? Probably got it comin'.

 Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.
 creationism)

 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all that's
 left.
 Pathetic IMO.  izzy

 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
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 Still no.

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 If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, 
 Lance?
 JD?
 izzy

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it
 then,
 I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools
 either.

 - Original Message - 
 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,
 Williams
 said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.

 So how have I mischaracterized him?

 David Miller

 - Original Message - 
 From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position.
 DOUBLE
 YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly
 trapped,
 David. You've bound yourself with your

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism




Judy, IMO, actually can't discern some of the 
issues as written. Iz, on the other hand, IMO can but chooses to write as if she 
didn't.

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  Sent: March 25, 2006 07:14
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
  Creationism
  
  Of course. But that is not really the issue. 
  
  -- 
Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








So IYO it is better 
to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I 
see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so 
much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world 
to be responsible -- I don't. 




jd



  -- Original message -- 
  From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, 
  here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true 
   you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see 
  why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   
  -Original Message-  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
   Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  
   IZ:No, I would not.- Original 
  Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> 
      Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 
  Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the 
  question, as usual. iz -Original 
  Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM  
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   
It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.  
 .   - Original Message -  
   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
  <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
That wasn't the question; I 
  asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you  
   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz 
  -Original Message-  
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  David you are like so right, man! 
  familiaritycontempt...were those   the  
   words? Probably got it comin'.
   Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools 
  (i.e.   creationism) 
- Original Message -   From: 
  "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
      <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35 
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
So you prefer 
  that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's  
   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy  
 -Original Message-  
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM  
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  
 Still no.   
  - Original Message - 
From: "ShieldsFamily" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
      <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 
  23:04 g t;  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
  Creationism  
   If you thought it was true would you want it taught in 
  schools, Lance?   JD?   
  izzy -Original 
  Message-   From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
    Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM  
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  David:Is that all you 
  were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it   
  then,   I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it 
  should be taught in schools   either.  
   - 
  Original Message -   From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
   To: &l

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

I'd never suggest that you 'live in fear' nor do I believe that you would. 
Just BE REAL, (wo)man!

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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 07:25
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

I refuse to live in fear, but rather in faith. The difference between the
Left and Right.  iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:23 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Sikhs are permitted to wear 'sacred' daggers to school. The RCMP allow
turbans over traditional head gear.The Muslim creation story is in the 
Q'ran

(soon to be taught at a school near you). Think long term, Iz. When you
choose shallowness of thought you become

.
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From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 07:15
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

So, in a public school you prefer that untruth be taught long-term.
Hmm

-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:08 AM
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In a public school. Think 'long term', Iz.

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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 06:37
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be
true
you would NOT want children to be taught about it.  Can you see why some
of
us aren't following your logic? iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM
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IZ:No, I would not.

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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Dodging the question, as usual.  iz

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
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It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.

.
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From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,
you
would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those
the
words? Probably got it comin'.

Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.
creationism)

- Original Message - 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all that's
left.
Pathetic IMO.  izzy

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Still no.

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From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools,
Lance?
JD?
izzy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's 
it

then,
I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in 
schools

either.

- Original Message - 
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in schools,
Williams
said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.

So how have I mischaracterized him?

David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Mes
sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Still no.  
 - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 g t;  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?   JD?   izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   
  David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it   then,   I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools   either.   - Original Message -   From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   The CNN report: Asked if creationism

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism




How long Oh David, how long?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 25, 2006 07:32
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
  Creationism
  
  What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic 
  educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of 
  course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the 
  purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you 
  simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian 
  church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In 
  fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism 
  would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
  -- 
Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 






From: 
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On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 




  -- Original message -- 
  From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  So IYO it is 
  better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I 
  see. izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
  on Creationism
  
  
  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) 
  so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular 
  world to be responsible -- I don't. 
  
  
  
  
  jd
  
  
  
-- Original message -- 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed 
something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught 
about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your 
logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
     Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  
 IZ:No, I would not.- Original 
Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 
    06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
-Original Message-   
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic 
hypothetical, Iz. .   - 
Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  That wasn't the question; 
I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. 
Pathetic, eh? iz -Original 
Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
David you are like so right, man! 
familiaritycontempt...were those   the  
 words? Probably got it comin'.
 Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in 
schools (i.e.   creationism)
   - Original Mes sage -  
 From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
    To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 
16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
Creationism   So 
you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's 
  left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy 
-Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism









Solution: teach false theories. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:33 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic
educator teach what he does not believe -- you
thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly
negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world,
Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our
(the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor.
In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism
would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 





-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Scary to the max. 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:14 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







Of course. But that is not really the issue. 











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

So IYO it is better to have
secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I
see. izzy











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Williams on Creationism







It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO
TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be
responsible -- I don't. 











jd











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be
true 
 you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of

 us aren't following your logic? iz 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 IZ:No, I would not. 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
 ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 
  gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. 
  
  . 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
true, 
  you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
those 
  the 
  words? Probably got it comin'. 
  
  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
(i.e. 
  creationism) 
  
  
  - Original Mes sage - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all
that's 
  left. 
  Pathetic IMO. izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  Still no. 
  
  
   - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 
g t;  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  If you thought it was true would you want it taught in
schools, Lance? 
  JD? 
  izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Lance Muir 
  Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW?
If that's it 
  then,

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism









And forbid other theories that are politically
incorrect.











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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:36 AM
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Williams on Creationism





Solution: teach false theories. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:33 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic
educator teach what he does not believe -- you
thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates
the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you
simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian
church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact,
to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be
so watered down as to be really meaningless. 





-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Scary to the max. 











From:
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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:14 AM
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







Of course. But that is not really the issue. 











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So IYO it is better to have
secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I
see. izzy











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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
5:46 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO
TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be
responsible -- I don't. 











jd











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be
true 
 you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of

 us aren't following your logic? iz 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 IZ:No, I would not. 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
 ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 
  gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. 
  
  . 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
true, 
  you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
those 
  the 
  words? Probably got it comin'. 
  
  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
(i.e. 
  creationism) 
  
  
  - Original Mes sage - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all
that's 
  left. 
  Pathetic IMO. izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  Still no. 
  
  
   - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 
g t;  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  If you thought it was true would you want it taught in
schools, Lance? 
  JD? 
  izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Linda -- politically, I am a rightwinger -- but who went to war for what reason? And, did you miss Lnace's good point? What kind of fit will you pitch when the Muslim population wins a court fight to teach their view of whats happening now in our schools !!?? 

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I refuse to live in fear, but rather in faith. The difference between the  Left and Right. iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:23 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   Sikhs are permitted to wear 'sacred' daggers to school. The RCMP allow  turbans over traditional head gear.The Muslim creation story is in the Q'ran   (soon to be taught at a school near you). Think long term, Iz. When you  choose shallowness of thought you become   .  - Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DSFAMILY.COM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 07:15  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism So, in a public school you prefer that untruth be taught long-term.   Hmm -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:08 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism In a public school. Think 'long term', Iz.   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:37   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   S
o, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be   true   you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some   of   us aren't following your logic? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism IZ:No, I would not.   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, 
  you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Message -  
t; From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Still no.  
 - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools,   Lance?   JD?   izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it   then,   I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools   either.   - Original Message -   From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PR

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism




Which is just continuingon doing what they are 
already doing but all but the most gullible
have enough sense to know there are no part monkey/part 
humans on this planet .

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:36:20 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Solution: teach false 
  theories. 
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
  Creationism
  
  
  What's scary is that you think the solution is to have 
  an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you 
  thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly 
  negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, 
  Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to 
  our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) 
  favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the 
  stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really 
  meaningless. 
  
-- Original message -- 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Scary to the max. 






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 




  -- Original message -- 
  From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  So IYO it is 
  better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I 
  see. izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
      TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
  on Creationism
  
  
  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) 
  so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular 
  world to be responsible -- I don't. 
  
  
  
  
  jd
  
  
  
-- Original message -- 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed 
something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught 
about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your 
logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: 
    TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  
 IZ:No, I would not.- Original 
Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 
06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
-Original Message-   
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: 
    TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic 
hypothetical, Iz. .   - 
Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
    <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  That wasn't the question; 
I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. 
Pathetic, eh? iz -Original 
Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
David you are like so right, man! 
familiaritycontempt...were those   the  
 words? Probably got it comin'.
 Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in 
schools (i.e.   creationism)
   - Original Mes sage -  
 From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 
16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
Creationism

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism









We wouldnt be HAVING a problem with
Muslims if we hadnt thrown God out of the government and schools a long
time ago! (duh) 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:43 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







Linda -- politically, I am a rightwinger -- but
who went to war for what reason? And, did you miss Lnace's good
point? What kind of fit will you pitch when the Muslim population
wins a court fight to teach their view of whats happening now in our schools
!!?? 











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I refuse to live in fear, but rather in faith. The difference between the 
 Left and Right. iz 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:23 AM 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 Sikhs are permitted to wear 'sacred' daggers to school. The RCMP allow 
 turbans over traditional head gear.The Muslim creation story is in the
Q'ran 
 
 (soon to be taught at a school near you). Think long term, Iz. When you 
 choose shallowness of thought you become 
 
 . 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] DSFAMILY.COM> To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 07:15 
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 
  So, in a public school you prefer that untruth be taught long-term. 
  Hmm 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:08 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  In a public school. Think 'long term', Iz. 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:37 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  S o, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something
to be 
  true 
  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see
why some 
  of 
  us aren't following your logic? iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  IZ:No, I would not. 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. 
  
  . 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe
it were true, 
  you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic,
eh? iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David you are like so right, man!
familiaritycontempt...were those 
  the 
  words? Probably got it comin'. 
  
  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in
schools (i.e. 
  creationism) 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
 g t; From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.
That's all that's 
  left. 
  Pathetic IMO. izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  Still no. 
   
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006
23:04 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  If you thought it was true would you want it
taught in schools, 
  Lance? 
  JD? 
  izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism




If there are christian teachers in the system (and 
there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the 
other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
There are also unbelievers in different churches these 
days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
the responsibility to search it out for 
themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic 
  educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of 
  course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the 
  purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you 
  simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian 
  church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In 
  fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism 
  would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
  From: 
"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 






From: 
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On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 
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on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 




  -- Original message -- 
  From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  So IYO it is 
  better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I 
  see. izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
  on Creationism
  
  
  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) 
  so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular 
  world to be responsible -- I don't. 
  
  
  
  
  jd
  
  
  
-- Original message -- 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed 
something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught 
about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your 
logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
     Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  
 IZ:No, I would not.- Original 
Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 
    06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
-Original Message-   
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic 
hypothetical, Iz. .   - 
Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  That wasn't the question; 
I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. 
Pathetic, eh? iz -Original 
Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
David you are like so right, man! 
familiaritycontempt...were those   the  
 words? Probably got it comin'.
 Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in 
schools (i.e.   creationism)
   - Original Mes sage -  
 From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
    To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 
16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
Creationism   So 
you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's 
  left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy 
-Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


LOL we're talking serious humor. I am laughing too hard to do anything but go and put the coffee on. Back in a few. 



-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

How long Oh David, how long?

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 25, 2006 07:32
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Me
s sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Still no.  
t;  - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 g t;  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?   JD?   izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: William

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Here's an idea -- maybe the church could actually do its job !! You know, instead of paying the local school district to do it. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Solution: teach false theories. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.-
 Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> 
 Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actua
lly Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Mes sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Still no.- Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 g t;  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?   JD?   izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM   To: Trut

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism




You, Judy, could teach researching. However, you 
could not teach 'conclusions'!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 25, 2006 07:58
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
  Creationism
  
  If there are christian teachers in the system (and 
  there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
  do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the 
  other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
  There are also unbelievers in different churches 
  these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
  the responsibility to search it out for 
  themselves.
  
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic 
educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of 
course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the 
purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you 
simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the 
Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) 
favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the 
stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really 
meaningless. 
From: 
  "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
  
  

  

  
  Scary to the max. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
  on Creationism
  
  
  Of course. But that is not really the issue. 
  
  
  
  
-- Original message -- 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

So IYO it is 
better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I 
see. izzy





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 
    Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this 
case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the 
secular world to be responsible -- I 
don't. 



jd



  -- Original message -- 
  From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed 
  something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught 
  about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your 
  logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
   Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  
   IZ:No, I would not.- Original 
  Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 
  06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  gt; Dodging the question, as usual. 
  iz -Original Message-  
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: 
      TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
    Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic 
  hypothetical, Iz. .   - 
  Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
  <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
That wasn't the 
  question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,  
   you   would want it taught in schools. You 
  said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz 
  -Original Message-   From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM  
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  David you are like so right, man! 
  familiaritycontempt...were those   the  
   words? Probably got it comin'.
   Actually La

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism




You've got to be kidding; right now most of the church 
isn't doing it's job in the church let alone
out there in the world. I suppose you have noted 
the preacher's wife shooting her husband in the
back in TN and they are CofC. Wonder what 
underlies that tragedy.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:07:40 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Here's an idea -- maybe the church could actually do its job 
  !! 
  You know, instead of paying the local school district to do it. 
  jd
  
  From: 
"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Solution: teach 
false theories. 





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
on Creationism


What's scary is that you think the solution is to 
have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe 
-- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that 
thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real 
world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this 
will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , 
again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to 
agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really 
meaningless. 

  -- Original message -- 
  From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Scary to the max. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
  on Creationism
  
  
  Of course. But that is not really the issue. 
  
  
  
  
-- Original message -- 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

So IYO it is 
better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I 
see. izzy





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
    TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 
Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this 
case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the 
secular world to be responsible -- I 
don't. 



jd



  -- Original message -- 
  From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed 
  something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught 
  about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your 
  logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
   Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  
   IZ:No, I would not.-  
  Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: 
  <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
   ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  gt; Dodging the question, as usual. 
  iz -Original Message-  
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: 
          TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic 
  hypothetical, Iz. .   - 
  Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
          <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
That wasn't the 
  question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,  
   you   would want it taught in schools. You 
  said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz 
  -Original Message-   From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM  
   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: W

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 

1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)

2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.

3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)

We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. 

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
the responsibility to search it out for themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Me
s sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Still no.  
t;  - Original Message -   From: "Shie

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism









Jesus used the word often. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
7:05 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







The 'if road' can be walked on only hypothetically, Iz. We
all spend time there don't we?







- Original Message - 





From: ShieldsFamily






To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org






Sent: March 25, 2006
07:54





Subject: RE: [TruthTalk]
Fw: Williams on Creationism









We wouldnt be HAVING a problem with
Muslims if we hadnt thrown God out of the government and schools a long
time ago! (duh) 











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:43 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







Linda -- politically, I am a rightwinger -- but
who went to war for what reason? And, did you miss Lnace's good
point? What kind of fit will you pitch when the Muslim population
wins a court fight to teach their view of whats happening now in our schools
!!?? 











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I refuse to live in fear, but rather in faith. The difference between the 
 Left and Right. iz 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:23 AM 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 Sikhs are permitted to wear 'sacred' daggers to school. The RCMP allow 
 turbans over traditional head gear.The Muslim creation story is in the
Q'ran 
 
 (soon to be taught at a school near you). Think long term, Iz. When you 
 choose shallowness of thought you become 
 
 . 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] DSFAMILY.COM> To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 07:15 
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 
  So, in a public school you prefer that untruth be taught long-term. 
  Hmm 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:08 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  In a public school. Think 'long term', Iz. 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:37 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  S o, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something
to be 
  true 
  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see
why some 
  of 
  us aren't following your logic? iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  IZ:No, I would not. 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. 
  
  . 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe
it were true, 
  you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic,
eh? iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David you are like so right, man!
familiaritycontempt...were those 
  the 
  words? Probably got it comin'. 
  
  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in
schools (i.e. 
  creationism) 
  
  
  - Original Message - 
 g t; From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.
That's all that's 
  left. 
  Pathetic IMO. izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism









Great idea, jd!!! And how about everyone
who wants their child to grow up to be a son of hell should send their children
to the local government schools? iz











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
7:08 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







Here's an idea -- maybe the church could actually do its job
!! You know, instead of paying the local school
district to do it. 











jd











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Solution: teach false theories. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:33 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic
educator teach what he does not believe -- you
thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly
negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world,
Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our
(the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??)
favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the
stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really
meaningless. 





-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Scary to the max. 











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:14 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







Of course. But that is not really the issue. 











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


So IYO it is better to have
secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I
see. izzy











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
5:46 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw:
Williams on Creationism







It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO
TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be
responsible -- I don't. 











jd











-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be
true 
 you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of

 us aren't following your logic? iz 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 IZ:No, I would not. 
 
 
 -  Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
 ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 
  gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. 
  
  . 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
true, 
  you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
those 
  the 
  words? Probably got it comin'. 
  
  Actua lly Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
(i.e. 
  creationism) 
  
  
  - Original Mes sage - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all
that's 
  left. 
  Pathetic IMO. izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  Still

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism




All these so called paradigms need to be put to 
bed
Without the Spirit of God there is nothing happening 
but dead religion and who needs that
One of you is enough JD. God's Spirit anoints or 
empowers His Words only; your life may
make one curious for any number of reasons - but 
without Him you can do nothing. Oh! you
can influence your children but that is our 
responsibility asparents anyway

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:18:47 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 
  
  1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David 
  (often but not always)
  
  2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does 
  her best work at home and not in the real world.
  
  3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)
  
  We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not 
  the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, 
  where people see me everyday. 
  
  From: 
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

If there are christian teachers in the system (and 
there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
do not believe. What's wrong with teaching 
the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
There are also unbelievers in different churches 
these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
the responsibility to search it out for 
themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an 
  antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you 
  thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly 
  negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, 
  Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work 
  to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) 
  favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the 
  stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really 
  meaningless. 
  From: 
"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the 
max. 





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 
Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the 
issue. 



  -- Original message -- 
  From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  So IYO it is 
  better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I 
  see. izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 
  5:46 AMTo: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 
      Williams on Creationism
  
  
  It's not what is taught (for me and in this 
  case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want 
  the secular world to be responsible -- I 
  don't. 
  
  
  
  jd
  
  
  
-- Original message 
-- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed 
something to be true  you would NOT want children to be 
taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't 
following your logic? iz   -Original 
Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
     Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  IZ:No, I would not.
- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
 ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
gt; Dodging the question, as usual. 
iz -Original Message-  
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: 
        TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Where did you go to school ?

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Great idea, jd!!! And how about everyone who wants their child to grow up to be a son of hell should send their children to the local government schools? iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 7:08 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Here's an idea -- maybe the church could actually do its job !! You know, instead of paying the local school district to do it. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Solution: teach false theories. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 

-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Willia
ms on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.-  Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Mes
sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are 
like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actua lly Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Mes sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 20
06 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [Trut

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

You mean DODGEBALL is not spelled with a TT?

--- ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dodging the question, as usual.  iz
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.
 
 .
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
 true, you
  would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
 those the
  words? Probably got it comin'.
 
  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
 (i.e.
  creationism)
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all
 that's left.
  Pathetic IMO.  izzy
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  Still no.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools,
 Lance?
  JD?
  izzy
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If
 that's it
  then,
  I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in
 schools
  either.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in
 schools,
  Williams
  said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.
 
  So how have I mischaracterized him?
 
  David Miller
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his
 position. 
  DOUBLE
  YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly
 trapped,
  David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you
  believe,
  Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've
 done to
  you
  and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be
 triple
  yikes)
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  Lance wrote:
  If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then
  you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.
 
  I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane
 ought to
  be
  separate.  I am not sectarian within the group of those who
 have
  submitted
  unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
 
  Lance wrote:
  He is a brother in Christ who believes
  differently than you on some matters.
  Now, if that makes him what you say
  then, that makes you what I say.
 
  He is not a liberal loony for believing differently from me. 
 The
  moniker
  was offered because of his statement about how acknowledgement
 of our
  Creator did not belong in schools.  He made an irrational
 statement,
  assuming that CNN reported him accurately.  If he is a brother
 in
  Christ,
  then I expect to hear a retraction or clarification made soon
 as other
  believers correct him.  If he is not a brother in Christ, then
 he will
  continue to support the working of iniquity that seeks to
 remove the
  acknowledgment of God our Creator from the schools.  What he
 said was
  very
  damaging to our society, to believers who want to acknowledge
 God the
  Creator in their study of origins.  To think that science and
 the
  acknowledgement of God are incompatible is expected from
 scientists 
  but
  not
  from theologians, and certainly not from the Right Reverend
 Doctor
  Rowland

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Wasn't there a movie about your dodgeball team?

--- Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 IZ:No, I would not.

 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  Dodging the question, as usual.  iz

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.

  .
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
 true, 
  you
  would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
 those 
  the
  words? Probably got it comin'.

  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
 (i.e.
  creationism)

  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all
 that's 
  left.
  Pathetic IMO.  izzy

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  Still no.

  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools,
 Lance?
  JD?
  izzy

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If
 that's it
  then,
  I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in
 schools
  either.

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in
 schools,
  Williams
  said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.

  So how have I mischaracterized him?

  David Miller

  - Original Message - 
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his
 position.
  DOUBLE
  YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly
 trapped,
  David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as
 you
  believe,
  Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've
 done to
  you
  and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be
 triple
  yikes)
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

  Lance wrote:
  If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then
  you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.

  I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane
 ought 
  to
  be
  separate.  I am not sectarian within the group of those who
 have
  submitted
  unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

  Lance wrote:
  He is a brother in Christ who believes
  differently than you on some matters.
  Now, if that makes him what you say
  then, that makes you what I say.

  He is not a liberal loony for believing differently from me. 
 The
  moniker
  was offered because of his statement about how acknowledgement
 of our
  Creator did not belong in schools.  He made an irrational
 statement,
  assuming that CNN reported him accurately.  If he is a brother
 in
  Christ,
  then I expect to hear a retraction or clarification made soon
 as 
  other
  believers correct him.  If he is not a brother in Christ, then
 he 
  will
  continue to support the working of iniquity that seeks to
 remove the
  acknowledgment of God our Creator from the schools.  What he
 said was
  very
  damaging to our society, to believers who want

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Logic  Lance?
No one can really be sure if there be any, since no one can be sure,
really!

--- ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to
 be true you would NOT want children to be taught about it.  Can you
see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 IZ:No, I would not.
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  Dodging the question, as usual.  iz
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.
 
  .
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
 true, 
  you
  would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
 those 
  the
  words? Probably got it comin'.
 
  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
 (i.e.
  creationism)
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all
 that's 
  left.
  Pathetic IMO.  izzy
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  Still no.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools,
 Lance?
  JD?
  izzy
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If
 that's it
  then,
  I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in
 schools
  either.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in
 schools,
  Williams
  said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.
 
  So how have I mischaracterized him?
 
  David Miller
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his
 position.
  DOUBLE
  YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly
 trapped,
  David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as
 you
  believe,
  Scripture). Your teachers will one day answer for what they've
 done to
  you
  and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be
 triple
  yikes)
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  Lance wrote:
  If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then
  you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.
 
  I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane
 ought 
  to
  be
  separate.  I am not sectarian within the group of those who
 have
  submitted
  unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
 
  Lance wrote:
  He is a brother in Christ who believes
  differently than you on some matters.
  Now, if that makes him what you say
  then, that makes you what I say.
 
  He is not a liberal loony for believing differently from me. 
 The
  moniker
  was offered because of his statement about how acknowledgement
 of our
  Creator did not belong in schools.  He made

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

See I warned you if the USA keeps on the present path we are headed
here and will end up like that poor pathetic State Canada. The PC ideal
leads to total imbicility.

--- Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sikhs are permitted to wear 'sacred' daggers to school. The RCMP
 allow turbans over traditional head gear.The Muslim creation story is
in the Q'ran  (soon to be taught at a school near you). Think long
term, Iz. When you  choose shallowness of thought you become
 
 .
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 25, 2006 07:15
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  So, in a public school you prefer that untruth be taught long-term.
  Hmm
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:08 AM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  In a public school. Think 'long term', Iz.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:37
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something
 to be
  true
  you would NOT want children to be taught about it.  Can you see
 why some
  of
  us aren't following your logic? iz
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  IZ:No, I would not.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  Dodging the question, as usual.  iz
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.
 
  .
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
 true,
  you
  would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
 those
  the
  words? Probably got it comin'.
 
  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
 (i.e.
  creationism)
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all
 that's
  left.
  Pathetic IMO.  izzy
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  Still no.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  If you thought it was true would you want it taught in
 schools, 
  Lance?
  JD?
  izzy
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If
 that's it
  then,
  I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in
 schools
  either.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in
 schools,
  Williams
  said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.
 
  So how have I mischaracterized him?
 
  David Miller
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his
 position.
  DOUBLE
  YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

 I refuse to live in fear

Stay in the states then...

--- ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I refuse to live in fear, but rather in faith. The difference between
 the
 Left and Right.  iz
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:23 AM
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 Sikhs are permitted to wear 'sacred' daggers to school. The RCMP
 allow 
 turbans over traditional head gear.The Muslim creation story is in
 the Q'ran
 
 (soon to be taught at a school near you). Think long term, Iz. When
 you 
 choose shallowness of thought you become
 
 .
 - Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
 Sent: March 25, 2006 07:15
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  So, in a public school you prefer that untruth be taught long-term.
  Hmm
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:08 AM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  In a public school. Think 'long term', Iz.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:37
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something
 to be
  true
  you would NOT want children to be taught about it.  Can you see
 why some
  of
  us aren't following your logic? iz
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  IZ:No, I would not.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  Dodging the question, as usual.  iz
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz.
 
  .
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
 true,
  you
  would want it taught in schools.  You said NO.  Pathetic, eh? iz
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
 those
  the
  words? Probably got it comin'.
 
  Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
 (i.e.
  creationism)
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools.  That's all
 that's
  left.
  Pathetic IMO.  izzy
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  Still no.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  If you thought it was true would you want it taught in
 schools, 
  Lance?
  JD?
  izzy
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
 Muir
  Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
  David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If
 that's it
  then,
  I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in
 schools
  either.
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
  Sent: March 23, 2006 15:04
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
 
 
  The CNN report:  Asked if creationism should be taught in
 schools,
  Williams
  said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no.
 
  So how have I mischaracterized him?
 
  David Miller
 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism




Shouldn't have to teach 'conclusions' 1 Cor 3:6 tells 
us that one scatters and another waters
but only God can give the increase ... so what's wrong 
with scattering a few seeds out there in
the Public School System. by giving Truth equal time 
with all the theories and watch them fall
just like Dagon.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:10:31 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  You, Judy, could teach researching. However, you 
  could not teach 'conclusions'!
  
From: Judy Taylor 

If there are christian teachers in the system (and 
there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
do not believe. What's wrong with teaching 
the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
There are also unbelievers in different churches 
these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
the responsibility to search it out for 
themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an 
  antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you 
  thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly 
  negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, 
  Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work 
  to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) 
  favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the 
  stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really 
  meaningless. 
  From: 
"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the 
max. 





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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    Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the 
issue. 



  -- Original message -- 
  From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  So IYO it is 
  better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I 
  see. izzy
  
  
  
  
  
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  5:46 AMTo: 
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  Williams on Creationism
  
  
  It's not what is taught (for me and in this 
  case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want 
  the secular world to be responsible -- I 
  don't. 
  
  
  
  jd
  
  
  
-- Original message 
-- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed 
something to be true  you would NOT want children to be 
taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't 
following your logic? iz   -Original 
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Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  IZ:No, I would not.
- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
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gt; Dodging the question, as usual. 
iz -Original Message-  
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  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: 
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It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic 
hypothetical, Iz. .   - 
Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
        <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 
17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
Creationism   That 
wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true, 
  you   would want it taught in 
schools. You said NO. Path

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

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We wouldnt be 
HAVING a problem with Muslims if we hadnt thrown God out of the government 
and schools a long time ago! (duh) 

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RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Here's an idea -- maybe the church could actually do its job !! You know, instead of paying the local school district to do it. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Solution: teach false theories. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on
 Creationism  What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I
 don't. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.-  Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ;
 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   
That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actua lly Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.
   creationism)   - Original Mes sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Still no.- Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 g t;  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   If you thought it was true would you want it taught in schools, Lance?   JD?   izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PR

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

lance saying this is likesaying he knows how CanaDUHS GDP worksLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  You, Judy, could teach researching. However, you could not teach 'conclusions'!- Original Message -   From: Judy Taylor   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Sent: March 25, 2006 07:58  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on CreationismIf there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they  do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it  There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has  the responsibility to search it out for themselves.On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an
 antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless.   From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Scary to the max.   
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46
 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to
 be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Mes sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams
 on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Still no.- Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>
  Sent: March 23, 2006 23:04 g t;  Subject: RE: [

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

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..knewGod'sgrace

  
  We wouldnt be HAVING 
  a problem with Muslims if 
we..

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Results? #3  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy
 Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they  do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it  There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has  the responsibility to search it out for themselves.On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not
 believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless.   From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than
 truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic?
 iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March
 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Me s sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be
 taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Results? #3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 

1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)

2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.

3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)

We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. 

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
the responsibility to search it out for themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.C OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
t;   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original 
Me s sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[E

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Refer to Matt 28 19ff and Mark 16:15 ff -- and stop prestending that you alone understand scripture. Your BSF buddies do not think much of your theology, that is for sure. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

"preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" 
Aberrent theologiesmake little cookie cutter disciples just like Lance and Bill
Only Jesus' Words make disciples that look like Him

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:46:52 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Results? #3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 

1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)

2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.

3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)

We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. 

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
the responsibility to search it out for themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 .C OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism&
amp;g t;   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontem

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Judy -- I do know what you believe.Let me make something clear since our time together is quickly coming to an end. "Carnal" applies to you, IMO, because of what I see as a reliance on your own brand of intellectualism. As a result, you own the most unusual collection of theological opinions I have ever seen. On the good side, you are one of the most imaginative theologians I know  something I actually respect. It is what I see in Barth and the others. 

what is most difficult is your attitude during a discussion. You simply do not know how to disagree without the personal assault. On other forums, I am not nearly as aggressive as I am here -- but there simply is no other way to be when in the presence of you, Linda, Kev and even David (at times). I know that you will not agree with any of my view expressed above -- but most of what I have said is, IMO, a good report of you. 

Finally, if your posts do not tell us what you believe, your purpose for writing is suspect. Since I can read, I do know what you believe. 

jd





-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

I know enough to recognize the real when I see it and so do my BSF buddies
You JD, don't know what I believe, nor can you evaluate my BSF buddies
Quit being so presumptuous, it is not a godly trait

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 00:26:45 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Refer to Matt 28 19ff and Mark 16:15 ff -- 
and stop prestending that you alone understand scripture. 
Your BSF buddies do not think much of your theology, that is for sure. jd

From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

"preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" 
Aberrent theologiesmake little cookie cutter disciples just like Lance and Bill
Only Jesus' Words make disciples that look like Him

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:46:52 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Results? #3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 

1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)

2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.

3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)

We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. 

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
the responsibility to search it out for themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To:

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism









Oh, how the Libs LOVE demeaning Wal-Mart!
How very predictable you would bring it up. And what is your PROBLEM with
Wal-Mart? Oh, they dont pay enough or give enough benefits to those POOR
people who work there; so SAD! My book club (SLU Womens Club) read some
libs expose on Wal-Mart and they were all up in arms about how they
refuse to shop there. A few months later which merchant allowed us to solicit
funds for our SLU Hospital Auxiliary at their doors? You guessed it, Wal-Mart!
Did they boycott that; no way, Baby! So, while I was there soliciting
donations I noticed this young female Wal-Mart employee on her cellphone trying
to get someone to come and pick her up because she locked her keys in her car;
obviously with no luck. So when it was time for me to leave I said Come on, Ill
give you a ride home. While we were driving to her apartment we were talking,
and she told me that she (around age 24) had full custody of four children (her
sisters, brothers, nephews in some combination). She is raising them as a
single woman, while attending classes at the U of Mo in STL on a psychology
degree, while volunteering part time at a local hospital and working part time
cleaning houses and part time at Wal-Mart. I asked What do you think about how
Wal-Mart treats its employees? She said Oh its so wonderful working
there. They treat us all SO well. And if it werent for my benefits
there I could never dream of taking care of my kids! So stick that in your
pipe and puff on it. Izzy PS She was driving a nicer car than I have; but
then so does everyone. -) 











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 Izzy  PS She was driving a nicer car than I have; but then so does everyone. -) ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Oh, how the Libs LOVE demeaning Wal-Mart! How very predictable you would bring it up. And what is your PROBLEM with Wal-Mart? Oh, they dont pay enough or give enough benefits to those POOR people who work there; so SAD! My book club (SLU Womens Club) read some libs expose on Wal-Mart and they were all up in arms about how they refuse to shop there. A few months later which merchant allowed us to solicit funds for our
 SLU Hospital Auxiliary at their doors? You guessed it, Wal-Mart! Did they boycott that; no way, Baby! So, while I was there soliciting donations I noticed this young female Wal-Mart employee on her cellphone trying to get someone to come and pick her up because she locked her keys in her car; obviously with no luck. So when it was time for me to leave I said Come on, Ill give you a ride home. While we were driving to her apartment we were talking, and she told me that she (around age 24) had full custody of four children (her sisters, brothers, nephews in some combination). She is raising them as a single woman, while attending classes at the U of Mo in STL on a psychology degree, while volunteering part time at a local hospital and working part time cleaning houses and part time at Wal-Mart. I asked What do you think about how Wal-Mart treats its employees? She said Oh its so wonderful working there. They treat us all SO well.
 And if it werent for my benefits there I could never dream of taking care of my kids! So stick that in your pipe and puff on it. Izzy PS She was driving a nicer car than I have; but then so does everyone. -) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:07 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  myth[the writer'sa blamer with an evidentfeminist' bias,butAm. conservativeMuslim theoryain't really their fault: 'eitherget our new WalMarts opened on timein Baghdad orface usblowin'youto (the other) hell (we're financing')]||  We wouldnt be HAVING a problem with Muslims if we hadnt thrown God out of the government and schools a long time ago! (duh) ||
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Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

So tell us about it.Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Results? #3  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)2.
 Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they  do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it  There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has  the responsibility to search it out for themselves.On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would
 be so watered down as to be really meaningless.   From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on
 Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From:
 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationismg t;   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those
   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Me s sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. 

Protest-evangelism -- ditto.

Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So tell us about it.

Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" 

jd

-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Results? #3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 

1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)

2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.

3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)

We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. 

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they
do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it
There are also unbelievers in different churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has
the responsibility to search it out for themselves.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless. 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








Scary to the max. 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism


It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. 



jd



-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 OM .C> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism&
amp;g t;   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the   words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   cr

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism









Those who really know it are thankful
enough to SERVE Him joyfully. iz











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..knewGod'sgrace









We wouldnt be HAVING a problem with
Muslims if we..

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Yeah; well this church member is going to
be very vocal about the discrimination against Christianity, Bible and Truth in
the government schools!!! iz











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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
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Williams on Creationism





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wrote: 



Here's an idea -- maybe the church could actually do its job
!! You know, instead of paying the local school
district to do it. 











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Solution: teach false theories. 



















From:
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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:33 AM
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What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic
educator teach what he does not believe -- you
thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly
negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world,
Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our
(the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??)
favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the
stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really
meaningless. 









-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Scary to the max. 



















From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:14 AM
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TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
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Williams on Creationism















Of course. But that is not really the issue. 



















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So IYO it is better to have
secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I
see. izzy



















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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
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It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO
TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be
responsible -- I don't. 



















jd



















-- Original message -- 
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be
true 
 you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of

 us aren't following your logic? iz 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM 
 To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 IZ:No, I would not. 
 
 
 -  Original Message - 
 From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14 
 ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
 
 
  gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. 
  
  . 
  - Original Message - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were
true, 
  you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were
those 
  the 
  words? Probably got it comin'. 
  
  Actua lly Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools
(i.e. 
  creationism) 
  
  
  - Original Mes sage - 
  From: ShieldsFamily 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
<TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  
  
  So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all
that's 
  left. 
  Pathetic IMO. izzy 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance
Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglor

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Go ye into all the world and Mentor the Gospel!Who have you mentored? Do you have any men?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:tower power -- nothing much to report in terms of results. Protest-evangelism -- ditto.Mentor evangeliism -- it is the method of historical record --- how he church grew from 12 to several million within its first 100 years of life. jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So tell us about it.   
 Results?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Results that combine both commands, "preach the gospel" and "make disciples/" jd-- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Results? #3  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Three kinds of evangelism present on this list. 1.. Drive-bye or protest evangelismKevin , Dean, David (often but not always)2. Tower of power evangelism -- where the
 saint does her best work at home and not in the real world.3. Mentor evangelism (Lance , Bill and others)We don't agree, Judy, because the paradigm for evangelism is not the same.  you in your home and me in my world, where I live, where people see me everyday. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If there are christian teachers in the system (and there are) who must teach theories of evolution that they  do not believe. What's wrong with teaching the other side also even if there are unbelievers teaching it  There are also unbelievers in different
 churches these days teaching all kinds of things. The student has  the responsibility to search it out for themselves.On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:32:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really
 meaningless.   From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Scary to the max. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo:
 TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]   So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I
 would not.- Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .C OM> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism amp;g t;   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

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PTL your Grandkids are recieving a education instead of indoctrination!ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yeah; well this church member is going to be very vocal about the discrimination against Christianity, Bible and Truth in the government schools!!! izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:06 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism0[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's an idea -- maybe the church could actually do its job !! You know, instead of paying the local school district to do it.
 jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Solution: teach false theories.
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  What's scary is that you think the solution is to have an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to our (the Christian church -- whose
 address do we use , again ??) favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really meaningless.   -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scary to the max.
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  Of course. But that is not really the issue. -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So IYO it is better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I see. izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular world to be responsible -- I don't. jd-- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir  Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   IZ:No, I would not.-  Original Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] OM> To:
 <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 25, 2006 06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. .   - Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> 
 Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you   would want it taught in schools. You said NO. Pathetic, eh? iz -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM   To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org   Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those   the
   words? Probably got it comin'. Actua lly Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e.   creationism)   - Original Mes sage -   From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>  Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism   So you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's   left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Mu

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