[TV orNotTV] Three LA TV Stations Can't Get LA Hockey Current Team Logo Right
The Los Angeles Kings are playing in the NHL Western Conference Finals (think Final Four of pro hockey). You can see their logo at http://kings.nhl.com/ On Tuesday night, the NBC affiliate had a story about the three LA teams in their respective playoffs. This was the graphic they had over Chuck Henry's shoulder: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nbc-los-angeles-thinks-la-kings-sacramento-kings-044945696.html That would be the *Sacramento* Kings logo. First clue: the use of the word Sacramento in the logo. On Friday night, the Fox affiliate was talking about the five games at Staples Center over the weekend. This was the graphic they used: http://ow.ly/i/DpVw That would be the logo the team last used in *1993*. Saturday, the ABC affiliate was covering the three events at Staples Center on Sunday (there's a big biking event plus a Kings game plus a Clippers game). This was the graphic they used: https://twitter.com/#!/Kingfluffy/status/204000523270107137/photo/1 That would be the alternate logo, which used to be the primary logo, but was changed at least two years ago. To be fair, journalism is hard. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Three LA TV Stations Can't Get LA Hockey Current Team Logo Right
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: The Los Angeles Kings are playing in the NHL Western Conference Finals (think Final Four of pro hockey). You can see their logo at http://kings.nhl.com/ If they were to rely on that site for the logo, I'm not surprised they (probably) went Google Image searching and wound up using the Sac Kings, or the 1990 Kings or the Kings Dominion logos. I didn't realize they had a logo at the top of the page until I scrolled down to see a similar shape used for the merchandising link. Though I assume they shouldn't have to use the website to get a logo, as they should have the recent press kit somewhere to reference. -- Wesley McGee http://www.ambivi.com http://sterlingnorth.vox.com http://drawing-a-blank.tumblr.com Twitter: @westwit G+: http://plus.google.com/113413697748381364954 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/wesleymcgee -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Three LA TV Stations Can't Get LA Hockey Current Team Logo Right
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Wesley McGee wesley.mc...@gmail.com wrote: Though I assume they shouldn't have to use the website to get a logo, as they should have the recent press kit somewhere to reference. I can speak from experience here; MLB and the NFL have nice, extensively stocked press sites, including bitmap and vector graphics of all the team logos, logos for special games (Super Bowl, All-Star Game, etc.), color specifications, and everything a graphic artist could ever ask for. As far as I've been able to find (and admittedly it's been a couple years since I went looking), neither the NHL nor NBA have anything similar. You're pretty much on your own. When I needed the new Pistons logo a couple of years ago, it was easy enough to download a .PDF of their press kit, open it in Illustrator and find the vector version of their logo. But that takes work, and most local news people (even those in the second largest market) seem to be allergic to work. -- -- Ben Scripps benscri...@gmail.com -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] Wiig's SNL Swan Song
I am aware of the disdain thrown in Kristen Wiig's direction by certain TVONTV-ers, but her final go as a cast member on SNL was a genereally entertaining affair for at least one of us who enjoys her work. And it was a pretty fair episode in a wildly uneven season for the series. Host Mick Jagger was game for anything and generally did not embarrass himself in the sketches - even at his advanced age. (I think a gypsy family could be living in those creases on his face.) His musical segments benefited from teaming him with two terrific bands, Arcade Fire and Foo Fighters, on classic Stones tunes, not to mention a throwaway blues number done with the great Jeff Beck on guitar. Jon Hamm dropped by to do the recurring Lawrence Welk skit, Chris Parnell returned for a Lazy Sunday 2 digital video rap with Andy Samberg. (Not as funny as the first time they did it.) There was a Steve Martin cameo in the labored Californians skit. And the last scene was a tearful farewell to Wiig by the entire cast and head honcho Lorne, choreographed to the Stones' She's a Rainbow. Even ex- cast members Amy Poehler, Rachel Dratch and Chris Kattan were on stage for the sign-off. Nice, if not as poignant as Phil Hartman's Sound of Music farewell to the show, or as antic as Tina Fey and Jimmy Fallon's good-bye Grease parody. No confirmation as yet on who else might not return to SNL next season, although Jason Sudekis and Samberg have been mentioned as possibly moving on to other things. Then again, neither of them has yet to garner an Oscar nom like Wiig. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Wiig's SNL Swan Song
- Original Message - From: Michael mikethekn...@gmail.com Chris Parnell returned for a Lazy Sunday 2 digital video rap with Andy Samberg. (Not as funny as the first time they did it.) There was a tacit admission that Samberg wouldn't be returning, as mentioned in LS2: That's how it began, and that's how I'm-a finish it. (Although -- according to Wikipedia -- LS1 was actually the second Digital Short.) Then again, neither of them has yet to garner an Oscar nom like Wiig. Outside of her and Bill Murray, are there any other SNLers to preface their names with Academy Award nominee? _ _ |_|_ Brad Beam- Belle WV |_|_ http://www.facebook.com/74bmw -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CSI: _________ Cancelled
- Original Message - From: Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com I'll see you, and raise you Star Trek TNG (great ending because it didn't end, and you knew those people would just go on) vs. Star Trek DS9 (terrible ending because it tried to be an ending). I'd argue that Desperate Housewives had a similarly good ending. Yes, the gang of four went their separate ways at the end. But ending with nuSusan's mystery box, you just knew that Wisteria Lane's mysteries would soldier on without us. _ _ |_|_ Brad Beam- Belle WV |_|_ http://www.facebook.com/74bmw -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
On May 20, 2:05 pm, Brad Beam b.b...@suddenlink.net wrote: Then again, neither of them has yet to garner an Oscar nom like Wiig. Outside of her and Bill Murray, are there any other SNLers to preface their names with Academy Award nominee? Not Joe Piscopo. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Late Late Show in Scotland
I've now watched the week of Scotland shows. I approve of them overall. I probably enjoyed the Wednesday installment the best, and would liken it to the closest we'll see to Craig's version of Johnny Comes Home, which I doubt many remember but I enjoyed. One moment I'm seeing get some internet buzz occurred in Monday's show featured Mila Kunis and Craig walking through a historic cemetery. It was an eight minute long, unedited, one-camera walk-and-talk. It was far from perfect -- I'm sure they never intended to use the entire segment so not much care was taken to avoid seeing crew in the shot, etc -- but it was a nice, simple, engaging conversation. My criticism would be that when talk shows go to Chicago, they have to get Oprah as a guest. If they go to Vegas, they get a Wayne Newton. Craig failed to get either Sean Connery or Billy Connelly. Don't get me wrong, I've heard Fred MacAulay on BBC4 for years and it was cool seeing what he looked like, but one of the two known Scottish names seemed a given and it didn't happen. Overall, a fun week of shows. On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:01 AM, David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com wrote: LLS has occasionally done a week of M-W repeats and T-F new programs to start a sweeps month. And the promo video has been the cold open (or most of it) Thursday and Friday. David From: Karen Owen artoor...@gmail.com To: TVorNotTV tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: [TV orNotTV] Late Late Show in Scotland http://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/shows/the-late-late-show-with-craig-ferguson/video?watch=1bno8tsh9m Music video preview of Scotland shows. Also, there are new shows tonight and tomorrow (Thursday and Friday) I guess because May sweeps are starting today. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Michael mikethekn...@gmail.com wrote: On May 20, 2:05 pm, Brad Beam b.b...@suddenlink.net wrote: Then again, neither of them has yet to garner an Oscar nom like Wiig. Outside of her and Bill Murray, are there any other SNLers to preface their names with Academy Award nominee? Not Joe Piscopo. Not Jim Belushi (Tom H. would have wanted someone to say that) -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
Wasn't Eddie Murphy nominated for Dream Girls? -Original Message- From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:35 PM To: TVorNotTV Subject: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song On May 20, 2:05 pm, Brad Beam b.b...@suddenlink.net wrote: Then again, neither of them has yet to garner an Oscar nom like Wiig. Outside of her and Bill Murray, are there any other SNLers to preface their names with Academy Award nominee? Not Joe Piscopo. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] Goodman Rips NBC for Harmon Firing, Sez 'Things Haven't Changed'
An outright reaming from the Hollywood Reporter critic (formerly of the SF Chronicle) of the network for letting Sony fire the Community showrunner, saying more or less that it's not like Jeff Zucker ever left, with a heated discussion below (including someone pointing out that the arguably-more gifted Aaron Sorkin got fired from The West Wing for problems similar to Harmon's): http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/why-firing-dan-harmon-community-327002 -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Three LA TV Stations Can't Get LA Hockey Current Team Logo Right
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Ben Scripps benscri...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Wesley McGee wesley.mc...@gmail.com wrote: Though I assume they shouldn't have to use the website to get a logo, as they should have the recent press kit somewhere to reference. I can speak from experience here; MLB and the NFL have nice, extensively stocked press sites, including bitmap and vector graphics of all the team logos, logos for special games (Super Bowl, All-Star Game, etc.), color specifications, and everything a graphic artist could ever ask for. As far as I've been able to find (and admittedly it's been a couple years since I went looking), neither the NHL nor NBA have anything similar. You're pretty much on your own. media.nhl.com seems to be what you might be thinking of. But even if one hasn't set up an account there, surely a 30-second e-mail to the PR department gets you the logo quickly, assuming they didn't already have it. John -- John Edwards You can insure against the weather, but you can't insure against incompetence, can you? - Phil Tufnell -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Three LA TV Stations Can't Get LA Hockey Current Team Logo Right
A few things: To my knowledge, none of the local affils or OOs have sports editors anymore. A few of the stations don't even have sports anchors anymore. Most are operating with between 40 to 60 percent of the staff they used to have, and many of the low rungs on the ladder have to begun their days with the drop-ins during the Today show (or other morning shows) and don't leave until the 11pm newscasts end. Also, if you count the Ducks, we have two LA hockey teams, but the vast majority doesn't care about either unless they make the playoffs. In short, complaining about LA hockey coverage is a bit like complaining about the quality of food or service at a Denny's. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Three LA TV Stations Can't Get LA Hockey Current Team Logo Right
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM, John Edwards jedward...@gmail.com wrote: media.nhl.com seems to be what you might be thinking of. Which was, the last time I tried, completely devoid of anything useful to a graphic artist. No, scratch that; it was pretty much devoid of anything useful period. But they did start spamming me, so I got something out of it... But even if one hasn't set up an account there, surely a 30-second e-mail to the PR department gets you the logo quickly, assuming they didn't already have it. You'd think. And in my experience, you'd be wrong. Maybe they've gotten better since then. But it all still comes back to a lack of good people doing good work. -- -- Ben Scripps benscri...@gmail.com -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Late Late Show in Scotland
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] My criticism would be that when talk shows go to Chicago, they have to get Oprah as a guest. If they go to Vegas, they get a Wayne Newton. Craig failed to get either Sean Connery or Billy Connelly. Don't get me wrong, I've heard Fred MacAulay on BBC4 for years and it was cool seeing what he looked like, but one of the two known Scottish names seemed a given and it didn't happen. Sure, because when we think about Ferguson's show, we think about big-name and appropriate guests. More seriously, Connelly was on the show in Los Angeles in the not-too-distant past, and I'm pretty sure we're never going to see Connery in public again. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Melissa P takingupspace...@gmail.com wrote: Wasn't Eddie Murphy nominated for Dream Girls? YACM: 2006. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Melissa P takingupspace...@gmail.com wrote: Wasn't Eddie Murphy nominated for Dream Girls? In addition to Murphy, Murray and Wiig, Wikipedia sez: Dan Aykroyd - Nomination for Supporting Actor in Driving Miss Daisy George Coe (1975) - Nomination for Short Subject De Düva (The Dove) Joan Cusack (1985) - Nominations for Supporting Actress in Working Girl and In and Out Robert Downey, Jr. (1985) - Nominations for Chaplin (Actor) and Tropic Thunder (Supporting Actor) Michael McKean (1994) - Nominated with Annette O'Toole for Best Song for A Mighty Wind -- -- Ben Scripps benscri...@gmail.com -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] Re: Late Late Show in Scotland
re the cemetery segment: http://www.tvworthwatching.com/post/THE-TV-WORTH-WATCHING-INTERVIEW-Craig-Ferguson-120517.aspx Q: From the first night, when you went in the graveyard with Mila Kunis — there, at some point, she skips while she’s going towards the monument you want to steer her toward. And you sort of scold her for skipping. And I was thinking — in most cases, I would think that was a very conscious choice to do that, but I really think that was just her being her. A: Yeah. She was just being herself. She didn’t mean anything by it. Q: It was such a great exchange — and then later on, when you started talking really seriously. That was one of things where I got the sense that, without the cameras, without the crew, you would have had pretty much the same conversation at that exact second. A: Oh, no doubt. That’s why I asked Mila to come, because she’s one of the few people that have got the cojones to do that. That’s really why we ran it as an eight-minute, unedited shot — a single shot for the entire thing, which, of course, you never see on television. We ran it like that — it’s fine. The crew is getting in the way in the background, and the P.A. is running between the gravestones, and I’m like, ‘Fine. Fuck them. Leave it in.’ It looks good. People aren’t stupid. They know what that is. Because the longer you stay on one shot, the more the honesty becomes apparent. And I think you’re right. Mila was just being herself. On May 20, 5:37 pm, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote: I've now watched the week of Scotland shows. I approve of them overall. I probably enjoyed the Wednesday installment the best, and would liken it to the closest we'll see to Craig's version of Johnny Comes Home, which I doubt many remember but I enjoyed. One moment I'm seeing get some internet buzz occurred in Monday's show featured Mila Kunis and Craig walking through a historic cemetery. It was an eight minute long, unedited, one-camera walk-and-talk. It was far from perfect -- I'm sure they never intended to use the entire segment so not much care was taken to avoid seeing crew in the shot, etc -- but it was a nice, simple, engaging conversation. My criticism would be that when talk shows go to Chicago, they have to get Oprah as a guest. If they go to Vegas, they get a Wayne Newton. Craig failed to get either Sean Connery or Billy Connelly. Don't get me wrong, I've heard Fred MacAulay on BBC4 for years and it was cool seeing what he looked like, but one of the two known Scottish names seemed a given and it didn't happen. Overall, a fun week of shows. On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:01 AM, David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com wrote: LLS has occasionally done a week of M-W repeats and T-F new programs to start a sweeps month. And the promo video has been the cold open (or most of it) Thursday and Friday. David From: Karen Owen artoor...@gmail.com To: TVorNotTV tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: [TV orNotTV] Late Late Show in Scotland http://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/shows/the-late-late-... Music video preview of Scotland shows. Also, there are new shows tonight and tomorrow (Thursday and Friday) I guess because May sweeps are starting today. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
I posted a similar (but not as detailed) praise for the show's closing tribute in afl/fb (afl in gg is pretty much daid). Got the usual responses from the Wiig detractors. Never quite understood why she was so vilified. As I wrote in there, She's no Robin Duke or Melanie Hutsell, but no one could have filled their shoes. On May 20, 4:39 pm, Michael mikethekn...@gmail.com wrote: I am aware of the disdain thrown in Kristen Wiig's direction by certain TVONTV-ers, but her final go as a cast member on SNL was a genereally entertaining affair for at least one of us who enjoys her work. And it was a pretty fair episode in a wildly uneven season for the series. Host Mick Jagger was game for anything and generally did not embarrass himself in the sketches - even at his advanced age. (I think a gypsy family could be living in those creases on his face.) His musical segments benefited from teaming him with two terrific bands, Arcade Fire and Foo Fighters, on classic Stones tunes, not to mention a throwaway blues number done with the great Jeff Beck on guitar. Jon Hamm dropped by to do the recurring Lawrence Welk skit, Chris Parnell returned for a Lazy Sunday 2 digital video rap with Andy Samberg. (Not as funny as the first time they did it.) There was a Steve Martin cameo in the labored Californians skit. And the last scene was a tearful farewell to Wiig by the entire cast and head honcho Lorne, choreographed to the Stones' She's a Rainbow. Even ex- cast members Amy Poehler, Rachel Dratch and Chris Kattan were on stage for the sign-off. Nice, if not as poignant as Phil Hartman's Sound of Music farewell to the show, or as antic as Tina Fey and Jimmy Fallon's good-bye Grease parody. No confirmation as yet on who else might not return to SNL next season, although Jason Sudekis and Samberg have been mentioned as possibly moving on to other things. Then again, neither of them has yet to garner an Oscar nom like Wiig. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] NBC switch
How long ago did they decide to make the second audition ep of AGT two hours, pushing what's now the final Harry's Law back a week? Any odds on next week going two, too? -- BOB -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC switch
Last Tuesday was always listed as two hours, with the finale of Fashion Star at 10. Tomorrow night is one hour, because Ninja Warrior is moving over from G4 for the summer at 9 (didn't they do that last summer?). Tuesday, it's an hour at 9. A repeat of the Monday ep is at 8 and the Dateline 20th anniversary special is at 10. Rejoice, Chris Hansen fans! Mark Jeffries Saints Spotlight Editor spotligh...@gmail.com On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Bob in Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.comwrote: How long ago did they decide to make the second audition ep of AGT two hours, pushing what's now the final Harry's Law back a week? Any odds on next week going two, too? -- BOB -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
Eddie Murphy, in a well-deserved nomination for his role in Dreamgirls. Doug Fields Tampa, FL -Original Message- From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:35 PM To: TVorNotTV Subject: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song On May 20, 2:05 pm, Brad Beam b.b...@suddenlink.net wrote: Then again, neither of them has yet to garner an Oscar nom like Wiig. Outside of her and Bill Murray, are there any other SNLers to preface their names with Academy Award nominee? Not Joe Piscopo. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
What the hell...as long as I'm at it: Dan Aykroyd, Best Supporting Actor nomination, Driving Miss Daisy Robert Downey, Jr., Best Actor nomination, Chaplin Joan Cusack, Best Supporting Actress nomination (2), Working Girl and In Out Bill Murray, Best Actor nomination, Lost in Translation Michael McKean, Best Song nomination, A Kiss at the End of the Rainbow in A Mighty Wind Randy Quaid (long prior to joining SNL) Best Supporting Actor, The Last Detail Eddie Murphy, Best Supporting Actor, Dreamgirls -Original Message- From: Doug Fields [mailto:d...@flids.net] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:11 PM To: 'tvornottv@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song Eddie Murphy, in a well-deserved nomination for his role in Dreamgirls. Doug Fields Tampa, FL -Original Message- From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:35 PM To: TVorNotTV Subject: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song On May 20, 2:05 pm, Brad Beam b.b...@suddenlink.net wrote: Then again, neither of them has yet to garner an Oscar nom like Wiig. Outside of her and Bill Murray, are there any other SNLers to preface their names with Academy Award nominee? Not Joe Piscopo. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
Damn...I see I'm late to the party. Sorry for the repost...something going on with my mail reader, and I'm only seeing about 1/3 of the messages the last few weeks, unless I log into Google groups and read them here. My bad. :) DF On May 20, 9:23 pm, Doug Fields d...@flids.net wrote: What the hell...as long as I'm at it: Dan Aykroyd, Best Supporting Actor nomination, Driving Miss Daisy Robert Downey, Jr., Best Actor nomination, Chaplin Joan Cusack, Best Supporting Actress nomination (2), Working Girl and In Out Bill Murray, Best Actor nomination, Lost in Translation Michael McKean, Best Song nomination, A Kiss at the End of the Rainbow in A Mighty Wind Randy Quaid (long prior to joining SNL) Best Supporting Actor, The Last Detail Eddie Murphy, Best Supporting Actor, Dreamgirls -Original Message- From: Doug Fields [mailto:d...@flids.net] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:11 PM To: 'tvornottv@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song Eddie Murphy, in a well-deserved nomination for his role in Dreamgirls. Doug Fields Tampa, FL -Original Message- From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:35 PM To: TVorNotTV Subject: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song On May 20, 2:05 pm, Brad Beam b.b...@suddenlink.net wrote: Then again, neither of them has yet to garner an Oscar nom like Wiig. Outside of her and Bill Murray, are there any other SNLers to preface their names with Academy Award nominee? Not Joe Piscopo. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Late Late Show in Scotland
Connery also doesn't live in Scotland, as was noted during SCG's interview with Scotland's First Minister.I'm not sure where Connelly's living these days, he may be in the States. The guest bookings for Paris were, IMO, similarly tied to whom was available and interesting to Craig. The biggest 'get' then was either Jean Reno or Jean-Michel Cousteau. Should Craig do his next road trip to an American city, I would still expect the guest list to reflect this perspective. David From: Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Late Late Show in Scotland On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] My criticism would be that when talk shows go to Chicago, they have to get Oprah as a guest. If they go to Vegas, they get a Wayne Newton. Craig failed to get either Sean Connery or Billy Connelly. Don't get me wrong, I've heard Fred MacAulay on BBC4 for years and it was cool seeing what he looked like, but one of the two known Scottish names seemed a given and it didn't happen. Sure, because when we think about Ferguson's show, we think about big-name and appropriate guests. More seriously, Connelly was on the show in Los Angeles in the not-too-distant past, and I'm pretty sure we're never going to see Connery in public again. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
Answers.com adds Randy Quaid, nominated for The Last Detail in 1973. It would seem that Wiig's nod is unique in that it occurred while she was on the show, while most of the others were post-SNL (Quaid and Coe having received their nods pre-SNL). It's also unique in being a writing nod (at least for a performer, I'm not up to speed on Oscar nods for SNL writers). As for my lack of interest in Wiig, it comes from not liking any of her characters. I don't respond much to funny that comes from awkward or annoying, and that seems to be her wheelhouse. David From: Ben Scripps benscri...@gmail.com To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Melissa P takingupspace...@gmail.com wrote: Wasn't Eddie Murphy nominated for Dream Girls? In addition to Murphy, Murray and Wiig, Wikipedia sez: Dan Aykroyd - Nomination for Supporting Actor in Driving Miss Daisy George Coe (1975) - Nomination for Short Subject De Düva (The Dove) Joan Cusack (1985) - Nominations for Supporting Actress in Working Girl and In and Out Robert Downey, Jr. (1985) - Nominations for Chaplin (Actor) and Tropic Thunder (Supporting Actor) Michael McKean (1994) - Nominated with Annette O'Toole for Best Song for A Mighty Wind -- -- Ben Scripps benscri...@gmail.com -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
Re: [TV orNotTV] Wiig's SNL Swan Song
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Michael mikethekn...@gmail.com wrote: I am aware of the disdain thrown in Kristen Wiig's direction by certain TVONTV-ers, but her final go as a cast member on SNL was a genereally entertaining affair for at least one of us who enjoys her work. And it was a pretty fair episode in a wildly uneven season for the series. Host Mick Jagger was game for anything and generally did not embarrass himself in the sketches - even at his advanced age. (I think a gypsy family could be living in those creases on his face.) His musical segments benefited from teaming him with two terrific bands, Arcade Fire and Foo Fighters, on classic Stones tunes, not to mention a throwaway blues number done with the great Jeff Beck on guitar. Jon Hamm dropped by to do the recurring Lawrence Welk skit, Chris Parnell returned for a Lazy Sunday 2 digital video rap with Andy Samberg. (Not as funny as the first time they did it.) There was a Steve Martin cameo in the labored Californians skit. And the last scene was a tearful farewell to Wiig by the entire cast and head honcho Lorne, choreographed to the Stones' She's a Rainbow. Even ex- cast members Amy Poehler, Rachel Dratch and Chris Kattan were on stage for the sign-off. Nice, if not as poignant as Phil Hartman's Sound of Music farewell to the show, or as antic as Tina Fey and Jimmy Fallon's good-bye Grease parody. No confirmation as yet on who else might not return to SNL next season, although Jason Sudekis and Samberg have been mentioned as possibly moving on to other things. Then again, neither of them has yet to garner an Oscar nom like Wiig. I don't hate Wiig, but I think she was *way* over exposed on SNL for a couple of years (less so this season), and they relied much to much on recurring bits from here that were far to thin to sustain the weight. They really gave her a workout this week, which is fine I suppose, though seemed a bit of a diss for the other cast members who are leaving. Still, the emotion did seem genuine, and the end was nice. There is a kind of standing role on SNL for a female workshorse, who can be in several skits a week, develop recurring characters, and basically bring some of what they used to call watercooler moments to the show. Working with the SNL cast list from wikipedia, I have put together my first draft of the women who have filled this role over the history of SNL: A. Gilda Radner 1975 – 1980 B. Mary Gross 1981 – 1985 (I can't remember - I am giving the nod to Gross, but perhaps it would have been Robin Duke from this cast?) C. Jan Hooks 1986 – 1991 D. Julia Sweeney 1990 – 1994 E. Cheri Oteri 1995 – 2000 F. Amy Poehler 2001 – 2008 F. Kristen Wiig 2005 – 2012 I have left off lots of funny SNL women, who either were only on the show 1-3 years, or played what I think was a different kind of role on the show. For my money Jan Hooks is a close second on this list only to Gilda Radner, who I suppose there is no way not to make #1. I would Pohler #3. I am maybe more of a Hooks fan than some, but it is hard for me to see many who have observed the show over the entire length of its run disagreeing that these are the top 3 female workhorse performers. Wiig is not in their league, but she is in the next level, and I would put her with Cheri Oteri (another performer who can divide a room pretty good between fans and haters). Like Oteri, Wiig seems to have a rather limited range, so that we kind of got the same thing from her across characters. Oteri worked with a lot of strong male cast members, while Wiig sometimes had almost the full weight of several seasons on her shoulders, so I would probably place Wiig ahead of Oteri. In my book Sweeny and Gross (who probably do not even really belong in this category, except I am identifying them as the strongest female long term performers from their era) bring up the rear. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
[TV orNotTV] Re: Wiig's SNL Swan Song
PGage wrote, in part: ...though seemed a bit of a diss for the other cast members who are leaving. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/20/kristen-wiig-last-snl-episode_n_1530728.html?ir=Celebrityref=topbar Andy Samberg and Jason Sudeikis have also been reported to be leaving SNL, though Michaels recently said any decision on cast changes will wait until the summer. In other words, no one besides Wiig is confirmed to be leaving after this last season. Andy, probably, based on the last line in his video; Jason, I suspect, will stick around for more Romney and Biden segments. -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en
