[TV orNotTV] Re: New Trek will be a view from proverbial gallery

['David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV]

Based on this tweet from Star Trek: Discovery EP Bryan Fuller:
https://twitter.com/BryanFuller/status/774062077811929090
My suspicions appear to be off.  Kevin's instincts seem spot on.

David

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:28 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
 wrote:
The Romulan War was 22nd century, not long after the Enterprise series ended.  
While I can't rule it out, I suspect the event will be something else.  As the 
Romulans were unseen before their first appearance in the original series, it 
would be tough to pull off.

My guess would be a battle or conflict between the Klingons and the Federation, 
as the new show is taking place shortly before the Organian Peace Treaty was 
imposed on both sides.
While the talk for this series at one point was that each season would be a 
different setting and cast of characters (like American Horror Story or True 
Detective), it's starting to sound more like each season will be a season-long 
story involving the crew of the Discovery.
It's probably just me, but with casting still underway, the turnaround for a 
January debut strikes me as really short.
David

From: Kevin M. 
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 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 3:25 PM
 Subject: [TV orNotTV] New Trek will be a view from the proverbial gallery
  
The series will be centered around a female lead who is not the captain, set a 
decade before the original series, and will take place in the "prime" universe, 
not the JJ universe.

http://www.cbs.com/shows/star- trek-discovery/news/1005628/ 
star-trek-discovery-lead-is-a- woman-not-captain/

Though they don't say it, I suspect the Romulan War will be the focus.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] BBCA adding to its Trek offerings

['David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV]

Being the second Trek on BBCA makes it just a little less weird.
But if the Emmy people thought Picard was British, maybe someone at BBCA 
thought the same thing.

David



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 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 11:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] BBCA adding to its Trek offerings
   


On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:28 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
 wrote:
Thanks to everyone for reminding me of the various channels I should always 
check for possible Trek reruns.
Once I Spy disappeared from Cozi, I really stopped paying attention to it, MeTV 
and other channels occupying those digital TV spots (X.1, X.2, etc.) opened up 
by the transition.  My loss.


And we haven’t even mentioned Netflix, Hulu, et al.  I think we can all agree, 
that if we went to the cast and crew of “Star Trek” in 1966 and told them about 
all the outlets on which the show would be available 50 years hence…
…they would be seriously confused about its presence on a channel called “BBC 
America.”

   

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Re: [TV orNotTV] BBCA adding to its Trek offerings

[Jim Ellwanger]

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:28 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone for reminding me of the various channels I should always 
> check for possible Trek reruns.
> 
> Once I Spy disappeared from Cozi, I really stopped paying attention to it, 
> MeTV and other channels occupying those digital TV spots (X.1, X.2, etc.) 
> opened up by the transition.  My loss.

And we haven’t even mentioned Netflix, Hulu, et al.  I think we can all agree, 
that if we went to the cast and crew of “Star Trek” in 1966 and told them about 
all the outlets on which the show would be available 50 years hence…

…they would be seriously confused about its presence on a channel called “BBC 
America.”

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: BBCA adding to its Trek offerings

['David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV]

Thanks to everyone for reminding me of the various channels I should always 
check for possible Trek reruns.
Once I Spy disappeared from Cozi, I really stopped paying attention to it, MeTV 
and other channels occupying those digital TV spots (X.1, X.2, etc.) opened up 
by the transition.  My loss.



David
   

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RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: BBCA adding to its Trek offerings

[Brian Peek]

MeTV has been showing TOS for quite a while as well.

From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Bob Jersey
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:19 PM
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Subject: [TV orNotTV] Re: BBCA adding to its Trek offerings


Jim M wrote:
Actually the newish channel Heroes and Icons (available on Long Island and 
other areas) has been playing original Star Treks and other oldies since mid 
July.  It's ch 140 on Cablevision/Optimum and began with first ep.

When the former Asbury Park Press owners got the "NY" and "Philly" MeTV affils, 
WZME in Connecticut flipped to H, as did a subchannel of WFMZ Allentown.

B
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[TV orNotTV] Re: BBCA adding to its Trek offerings

[Bob Jersey]

Jim M wrote:
>
> Actually the newish channel Heroes and Icons (available on Long Island and 
> other areas) has been playing original Star Treks and other oldies since 
> mid July.  It's ch 140 on Cablevision/Optimum and began with first ep.
>

When the former *Asbury Park Press* owners got the "NY" and "Philly" MeTV 
affils, WZME in Connecticut flipped to H, as did a subchannel of WFMZ 
Allentown.

B

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[TV orNotTV] BBCA adding to its Trek offerings

[Jim M]

Actually the newish channel Heroes and Icons (available on Long Island and 
other areas) has been playing original Star Treks and other oldies since mid 
July.  It's ch 140 on Cablevision/Optimum and began with first ep.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mostly off topic: Diversifying the Academy

[Steve Timko]

By the way, the best argument against this is the Academy's track
record. For instance, look at the lousy job they did reevaluating how
they pick the Best Documentary nominees.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Steve Timko  wrote:
> If this guy can't be purged, who can?
>
> Sent from TypeApp
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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 11:06 AM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> All good points - but lets keep in mind that, despite the whining of Mr.
>> Bassing (who got into the Academy by his own admission with far fewer
>> credits than many of those who have for these many decades been excluded),
>> the Academy is not actually just kicking out old white men. It is purging
>> its membership of people who have not been active in any way for a long
>> time. I suspect that this process will result in the elimination of a
>> relative few number of people, all of whom have done nothing for then or
>> more years than fill in Oscar ballots checked for the names of people they
>> recognize as friends or at least as people like themselves. Don't worry,
>> there will still be lots of old white (rich) guys in the Academy for quite a
>> while now...
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Karen Owen  wrote:

 Looking at it from the point of view of the other work that the
 Academy does besides the awards shows, the older members
 may be current donors or plan to leave bequests of money,
 films, memorabilia, etc to the film archive, library and/or
 new museum.  Older members are more likely to be the
 people who have the time to volunteer in various capacities
 to support these Academy activities including their educational
 programs and support for new young filmmakers.
 Based on personal experience with volunteer organizations
 that my parents or I have belonged to, it's not a good idea
 to dump or ignore members, especially active members,
 just  because of age.
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem of introducing diversity in hiring or membership is one that
>>> many companies and organizations are facing today. The organization will
>>> recognize that their membership is not diverse and make a motion or make an
>>> internal decision that they they need to increase diversity. The motion or
>>> decision are applauded by the current membership and then nothing happens.
>>> It turns out that good intentions are not enough to solve the problems.
>>> Eventually diversifying the membership is made a priority and then it turns
>>> out that new diverse people are going to have to replace current people (in
>>> leadership if there are no limits to the number of members). So while
>>> everybody wants diversity, when it becomes a reality, somebody is going to
>>> lose his or her privileges. The Academy is not the first or only
>>> organization to deal with these tensions and AFAIK there is no universal
>>> answer.
>>>
>>> I empathize with Mr. Bassing. At his age he is looking for any
>>> opportunity to feel that he can be useful and play a part.
>>>
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[TV orNotTV] BBCA adding to its Trek offerings

['David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV]

This may be a one-time deal connected with the 50th anniversary (today) of the 
television debut of Star Trek, but BBC America is airing episodes from the 
first series for the first time.  The episodes start tonight at 8:30 (the same 
time the original series debuted) and are going to be uncut (but with 
commercials) versions of the remastered episodes.  If you can't wait for 8:30, 
the channel is currently running Next Generation episodes that feature the 
original series cast.

The run is strictly season one and two, and will air in broadcast order.  After 
one run through both seasons (interrupted in the wee hours by the same Next 
Generation repeats as this afternoon), BBCA will re-air what it considers the 
best episodes from the first two seasons (I wouldn't argue with their choices, 
but YMMV).  That should start Sunday night.

This might be the first time these episodes have been available on TV in the US 
since about 2009, right after the remastered episodes were first released.

David

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mostly off topic: Diversifying the Academy

[Steve Timko]

If this guy can't be purged, who can?

Sent from TypeApp



On Sep 8, 2016, 11:06 AM, at 11:06 AM, PGage  wrote:
>All good points - but lets keep in mind that, despite the whining of
>Mr.
>Bassing (who got into the Academy by his own admission with far fewer
>credits than many of those who have for these many decades been
>excluded),
>the Academy is not actually just kicking out old white men. It is
>purging
>its membership of people who have not been active in any way for a long
>time. I suspect that this process will result in the elimination of a
>relative few number of people, all of whom have done nothing for then
>or
>more years than fill in Oscar ballots checked for the names of people
>they
>recognize as friends or at least as people like themselves. Don't
>worry,
>there will still be lots of old white (rich) guys in the Academy for
>quite
>a while now...
>
>On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Karen Owen 
>wrote:
>>
>>> Looking at it from the point of view of the other work that the
>>> Academy does besides the awards shows, the older members
>>> may be current donors or plan to leave bequests of money,
>>> films, memorabilia, etc to the film archive, library and/or
>>> new museum.  Older members are more likely to be the
>>> people who have the time to volunteer in various capacities
>>> to support these Academy activities including their educational
>>> programs and support for new young filmmakers.
>>> Based on personal experience with volunteer organizations
>>> that my parents or I have belonged to, it's not a good idea
>>> to dump or ignore members, especially active members,
>>> just  because of age.
>>>
>>
>> The problem of introducing diversity in hiring or membership is one
>that
>> many companies and organizations are facing today. The organization
>will
>> recognize that their membership is not diverse and make a motion or
>make an
>> internal decision that they they need to increase diversity. The
>motion or
>> decision are applauded by the current membership and then nothing
>happens.
>> It turns out that good intentions are not enough to solve the
>problems.
>> Eventually diversifying the membership is made a priority and then it
>turns
>> out that new diverse people are going to have to replace current
>people (in
>> leadership if there are no limits to the number of members). So while
>> everybody wants diversity, when it becomes a reality, somebody is
>going to
>> lose his or her privileges. The Academy is not the first or only
>> organization to deal with these tensions and AFAIK there is no
>universal
>> answer.
>>
>> I empathize with Mr. Bassing. At his age he is looking for any
>opportunity
>> to feel that he can be useful and play a part.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mostly off topic: Diversifying the Academy

[PGage]

All good points - but lets keep in mind that, despite the whining of Mr.
Bassing (who got into the Academy by his own admission with far fewer
credits than many of those who have for these many decades been excluded),
the Academy is not actually just kicking out old white men. It is purging
its membership of people who have not been active in any way for a long
time. I suspect that this process will result in the elimination of a
relative few number of people, all of whom have done nothing for then or
more years than fill in Oscar ballots checked for the names of people they
recognize as friends or at least as people like themselves. Don't worry,
there will still be lots of old white (rich) guys in the Academy for quite
a while now...

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Karen Owen  wrote:
>
>> Looking at it from the point of view of the other work that the
>> Academy does besides the awards shows, the older members
>> may be current donors or plan to leave bequests of money,
>> films, memorabilia, etc to the film archive, library and/or
>> new museum.  Older members are more likely to be the
>> people who have the time to volunteer in various capacities
>> to support these Academy activities including their educational
>> programs and support for new young filmmakers.
>> Based on personal experience with volunteer organizations
>> that my parents or I have belonged to, it's not a good idea
>> to dump or ignore members, especially active members,
>> just  because of age.
>>
>
> The problem of introducing diversity in hiring or membership is one that
> many companies and organizations are facing today. The organization will
> recognize that their membership is not diverse and make a motion or make an
> internal decision that they they need to increase diversity. The motion or
> decision are applauded by the current membership and then nothing happens.
> It turns out that good intentions are not enough to solve the problems.
> Eventually diversifying the membership is made a priority and then it turns
> out that new diverse people are going to have to replace current people (in
> leadership if there are no limits to the number of members). So while
> everybody wants diversity, when it becomes a reality, somebody is going to
> lose his or her privileges. The Academy is not the first or only
> organization to deal with these tensions and AFAIK there is no universal
> answer.
>
> I empathize with Mr. Bassing. At his age he is looking for any opportunity
> to feel that he can be useful and play a part.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Persona Non Greta

[Kevin M.]

On Thursday, September 8, 2016, Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Joe Hass  > wrote:
>
>> If Megyn Kelly leaves, FNC might as well run Fox & Friends and Frumpy all
>> day.
>>
>
> Kelly is going into contract renewal negotiations and she's making it
> clear how much power she's got.
>
> Chicks, am I right?


Sorry. Had to get that out of my system. I'm better now. As you were.






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Re: [TV orNotTV] Persona Non Greta

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On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Joe Hass  wrote:

> If Megyn Kelly leaves, FNC might as well run Fox & Friends and Frumpy all
> day.
>

Kelly is going into contract renewal negotiations and she's making it clear
how much power she's got.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mostly off topic: Diversifying the Academy

[Tom Wolper]

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Karen Owen  wrote:

> Looking at it from the point of view of the other work that the
> Academy does besides the awards shows, the older members
> may be current donors or plan to leave bequests of money,
> films, memorabilia, etc to the film archive, library and/or
> new museum.  Older members are more likely to be the
> people who have the time to volunteer in various capacities
> to support these Academy activities including their educational
> programs and support for new young filmmakers.
> Based on personal experience with volunteer organizations
> that my parents or I have belonged to, it's not a good idea
> to dump or ignore members, especially active members,
> just  because of age.
>

The problem of introducing diversity in hiring or membership is one that
many companies and organizations are facing today. The organization will
recognize that their membership is not diverse and make a motion or make an
internal decision that they they need to increase diversity. The motion or
decision are applauded by the current membership and then nothing happens.
It turns out that good intentions are not enough to solve the problems.
Eventually diversifying the membership is made a priority and then it turns
out that new diverse people are going to have to replace current people (in
leadership if there are no limits to the number of members). So while
everybody wants diversity, when it becomes a reality, somebody is going to
lose his or her privileges. The Academy is not the first or only
organization to deal with these tensions and AFAIK there is no universal
answer.

I empathize with Mr. Bassing. At his age he is looking for any opportunity
to feel that he can be useful and play a part.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mostly off topic: Diversifying the Academy

[Karen Owen]

Looking at it from the point of view of the other work that the
Academy does besides the awards shows, the older members
may be current donors or plan to leave bequests of money,
films, memorabilia, etc to the film archive, library and/or
new museum.  Older members are more likely to be the
people who have the time to volunteer in various capacities
to support these Academy activities including their educational
programs and support for new young filmmakers.
Based on personal experience with volunteer organizations
that my parents or I have belonged to, it's not a good idea
to dump or ignore members, especially active members,
just  because of age.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Persona Non Greta

[Bill Partsch]

(Subject line of this thread is akin to what Gene Rayburn characterized as "the 
definitive answer" on Match Game. Top shelf, man. Top shelf.)

> On Sep 6, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Ron Casalotti  wrote:
> 
> Greta Van Susteren out as Fox News host
> "a person close to the situation who spoke on condition of anonymity 
> described it as a financial disagreement."
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/tv/greta-van-susteren-out-as-fox-news-host/2016/09/06/2909a7b2-743f-11e6-9781-49e591781754_story.html
>  
> 
> Ron Casalotti
> Wayne, NJ
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