from:"Melissa P"

SNL's problem has always been good writing (even in the early days), LOTS
of consistently good writing.

Also, experience outweighs youth in my opinion.

I'm reminded of a taping of* Everyone Loves Raymond* I attended.  I got to
tell Phil Rosenthal that one particular episode was one the finest sitcom
episodes I had ever seen.  He identified the writer of that episode who was
congregating with the show's other writers.  He was probably twice the age
of anyone else on the writing team.   In this society, we seem to dismiss
too quickly the value of experience.

I'm not sure if anyone remembers, but I think I posted here an SNL sketch
that actually made me laugh, the first time in years.  The setting was a
Waffle House.  When I was in Memphis last month, the local lead news story
was shootings at two Waffle Houses.  I had been to both of them.

Gosh, Kevin, there's so much we're not teaching kids these days, starting
with being able to separate fact from fiction, civics, and instilling in
them the value of expertise.  (The Supreme Court is about to do away with
the latter.)


On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 4:05 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I concur with your resentment, but I also understand the thought behind
> the ageism. SNL has to cultivate a younger and more diverse audience if it
> is going to survive while still not totally alienating its older viewers. I
> think Michaels struggles with this, and I think Fey would struggle with it,
> too, but less because of her age and more because of her inability to
> pander without it seeming obvious (looking at you, Mean Girls reboot). A
> younger showrunner more connected to modern popular culture might have a
> better chance at reaching 14-year-olds, but teens and young adults are
> unpredictable in their tastes and sensibilities (which is to say most have
> neither taste nor sense). They might gravitate towards media produced by a
> 50-something just because society doesn’t expect them to.
>
> Many of the middle school students I encounter consider themselves
> Swifties but in the same breath say they hate country music. They believe
> you cannot be successful on the basketball court without Nikes, but their
> Nikes are the ones from Shoe City that on closer inspection aren’t really
> Nikes. You can show them how your $20 water cup keeps drinks colder longer
> than their $50 Stanley cup, but they will still maintain their cup is
> superior. But any adult who tries to relate to them or speak to them using
> their common slang (such as “sus” or “bussin’”) will be regarded as one
> step below a pedophile. By and large, kids today (oh, how I hate that
> expression) can spot someone talking down to them and immediately reject
> them… it might be their only redeeming virtue. As long as SNL persists in
> pandering, they will fail to capture the attention of kids today. Michaels
> and Fey both only know how to do comedy that panders, which is not to say
> there isn’t genuine laughter to be found in that mine, but it won’t hook
> young audiences.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 12:08 PM Melissa P 
> wrote:
>
>> I'll just add that I resent someone saying that at 53, Fey is too old for
>> the job.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 2:58 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> Lorne’s superpower was that nobody at NBC would mess with him. Once he’s
>>> out of the picture the new showrunner will have to answer to all of the
>>> network’s executives. It’s a wonder the show lasted as long as it did with
>>> him and it won’t last long without him.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 2:08 PM Dave Sikula 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Plus, I would think Fey has too many other real projects (and common
>>>> sense) to want to take that nightmare on.
>>>>
>>>> —Dave Sikula
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 20, 2024, at 6:50 AM, PGage  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Meanwhile, Lorne mentioned in interviews during his CA Emmys trip that
>>>> he is planning on staying with the show through the 50th anniversary
>>>> special in January of 2025, but hinted he would retire soon after. He
>>>> agreed to a suggestion that Tina Fey is one of several who has what it
>>>> takes to replace him.
>>>>
>>>> Fey does make sense in many ways, except…she old. Michaels was around
>>>> 30 when he started SNL, and was in touch personally or culturally with much
>>>> of the cutting edge in comedy and music. Fey is 53. Of course Lorne wants
>>>> someone who will tend the flame and not reinvent the show. Still, I might
>>>> be looking for someone like some Writer/Producer who worked

Re: [TV orNotTV] 'SNL' Origin Story Movie May Be Coming

I'll just add that I resent someone saying that at 53, Fey is too old for
the job.


On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 2:58 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> Lorne’s superpower was that nobody at NBC would mess with him. Once he’s
> out of the picture the new showrunner will have to answer to all of the
> network’s executives. It’s a wonder the show lasted as long as it did with
> him and it won’t last long without him.
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 2:08 PM Dave Sikula  wrote:
>
>> Plus, I would think Fey has too many other real projects (and common
>> sense) to want to take that nightmare on.
>>
>> —Dave Sikula
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2024, at 6:50 AM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Meanwhile, Lorne mentioned in interviews during his CA Emmys trip that he
>> is planning on staying with the show through the 50th anniversary special
>> in January of 2025, but hinted he would retire soon after. He agreed to a
>> suggestion that Tina Fey is one of several who has what it takes to replace
>> him.
>>
>> Fey does make sense in many ways, except…she old. Michaels was around 30
>> when he started SNL, and was in touch personally or culturally with much of
>> the cutting edge in comedy and music. Fey is 53. Of course Lorne wants
>> someone who will tend the flame and not reinvent the show. Still, I might
>> be looking for someone like some Writer/Producer who worked with like Conan
>> or TDS and is in their 30s.
>>
>>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lorne-michaels-retiring-snl-just-153758117.html
>>
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 at 10:23 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Written and directed by Jason Reitman for Sony, "SNL 1975" tells the
>>> story behind-the-scenes of the weeks before the NBC late-night institution
>>> began its run--Gabriel LaBelle, who played the Spielberg stand-in in "The
>>> Fabelmans," is playing Lorne, with Cooper Hoffman ("Licorice Pizza") as
>>> Lorne's immediate NBC boss Dick Ebersol and Rachel Sennott ("The Idol,"
>>> "Bottoms") as Rosie Schuster, Lorne's wife and a writer on the show--the
>>> question is, who's playing the Not Ready for Prime Time Players:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://deadline.com/2024/01/the-fablemans-gabriel-labelle-lorne-michaels-snl-1975-cooper-hoffman-rachel-sennott-1235797505/
>>>
>>> And of course Sikula and Marousek will hate it.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Maher to Calif. governor: "Why didn't you take a more active role in resolving the strikes?"

Here's what I don't like about Maher:

1.  His spreading of misinformation about covid (and before that, promoting
non-science based medicine).

2.  His fat-shaming -- although I don't think he's done it yet this season.

3.  Most recently, his conversation with Congressman Dean Phillips of
Minnesota who's running to defeat Biden in the Democratic primary.  Maher
mentioned that others have noted a resemblance between him and Phillips and
mentioned that Phillips is Jewish -- without also mentioning that his
mother was Jewish.  He should have added that fact to the conversation.

That said, I watch *Real Time* every week, for two reasons:  (1) It has the
best writing staff of late night comedy show, and (2) It often makes me
think, even when I don't like what's being said.

Finally, the Governor is really good looking.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 11:04 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> No one can convince me that Bill Maher hasn’t turned into a vampire.
> Literally rabid. Literally blood sucking. At the very least, sucking.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 6:33 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Better question for Gavin: Why are you giving oxygen to an intellectually
>> lazy, morally toxic spent force like Maher?
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 at 5:37 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Newsom: We were doing a very good job behind the scenes, and attempts to
>>> mediate were turned down on both sides...
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/gavin-newsom-hollywood-strikes-bill-maher-real-time-1235793990/
>>>  (link)
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Ed O'Neill nearly went into organized crime

Mr. O'Neill was on TV this week.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/ed-o-neill-slap-in-the-face-for-alma-mater-ysu-to-make-gop-election-denier-president-202047045967


On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 8:44 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> So he told his "Modern Family" mate Jesse Tyler Ferguson on the latter's
> podcast this week... after a friend suggested such to him back in the 60s
> in Ohio, O'Neill asked his father, who said, "You couldn't do time. You'd
> have a hard time being in jail."
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/modern-family-ed-oneill-organized-crime-1235793989/
>  (link)
> B
>
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Young Sheldon spinoff to feature Georgie and Mandy

2024-01-14 Thread Melissa P

The Georgie/Mandy relationship quickly became the jump-the-shark moment in
the series for me.  So, I doubt the spin-off will appeal to me.

I wonder what Iain Armitage will do next.  I saw him frequently when he was
probably 3-5 and was hanging out at the Signature Theater, during its Open
House every August and when his dad was performing there (I got to talk
with his dad once while he was keeping an eye on Iain).  I think the last
time I saw him was when Signature was doing a benefit, and he was
introduced as just starting to play the lead in Young Sheldon.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:51 PM Marti Lawrence 
wrote:

> We enjoyed Big Bang Theory, and are fond of Young Sheldon, although I
> think it is time to end it, as Sheldon is becoming annoying.  The
> peripheral family characters are OK as a part of the whole, but I don't see
> them carrying a sitcom.  I don't dislike them, I just don't think they are
> interesting enough to be leads.
> I could be way wrong though.
> Guess we'll see.
>
> ~Marti
>
> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 4:51:01 PM UTC-6 Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>> Speaking of Chuck Lorre, V honored him with the inaugural Norman Lear
>> Award at their Showrunners Dinner last night (1/11)...
>>
>> https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/varietys-showrunners-dinner-chuck-lorre-norman-lear-award-1235870281/
>>  (link)
>> B
>>
>
>

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[TV orNotTV] RIP Tom Shales

2024-01-13 Thread Melissa P

Longtime *Washington Post* TV critic

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Question for the brain trust: Best courtroom depiction

2024-01-07 Thread Melissa P

I'm not going to be terribly helpful, but I admired the work in *The Good
Wife* and *The Good Fight*.

And kudos to those here who offered *My Cousin Vinny* and *Murder One*.

Not exactly an answer to your quest, but I greatly admire an episode of *The
Good Wife* in which Alicia is assigned to the Public Defender's office.


On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 3:55 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I need to show my middle school class how a courtroom functions. Opening
> statements, examination, cross examination, closing arguments. Should be
> one hour or less. Looking for the best example.
>
> It’s harder than you think. Perry Mason is unrealistic in nearly every
> episode. LA Law doesn’t show most trials complete.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Hutch' Dies at 80

2024-01-06 Thread Melissa P

Soul was the star of what is my most unusual experience in a theater.  He
played Jerry Springer in *Jerry Springer the Opera* when I saw the show in
London.

Speaking of theater, as an aside, I had both my best and worst theater
experiences in 2023 -- the best:  Sean Hayes in *Goodnight, Oscar* -- and
the worst: * A Girl from the North Country*.


On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 12:21 AM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Not to speak ill of the dead, but I never forgave David Soul for the
> Casablanca prequel on TV. He played Rick.
> I like Bread, by the way.
>
> Get TypeApp for Android 
> On Jan 5, 2024, at 7:21 PM, "Kevin M."  wrote:
>>
>> A few years ago I tried giving Starsky & Hutch a rewatch. As a kid I
>> recalled watching it; I figured the kitsch/nostalgia factor would make me
>> enjoy it as an adult. It did not. I think the actors did the best with what
>> they were given, but they weren’t given much. It wasn’t even cliche or
>> filled with stereotypes; it was just bad.
>>
>> As for his music, fur reasons I’ve never been able to explain to myself
>> or others, I’ve never been able to distinguish David Soul from David Gates
>> (the lead singer of Bread), so I just avoid them both.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 7:08 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Even though his first success was the Western dramedy "Here Come the
>>> Brides," he later starred in the 1979 Stephen King mini-series "Salem's
>>> Lot" and had a good career has a pop singer ("Don't GIve Up on Us" hit
>>> number one in 1976), David Soul's career will be dominated by his role as
>>> the brainy police sergeant Kenneth Richard “Hutch” Hutchinson on the ABC
>>> buddy cop show "Starsky and Hutch," which ran for four years in the 70s as
>>> part of the Fred Silverman/Aaron Spelling hot streak at the Alphabet--Mr.
>>> Soul and co-star Paul Michael Glaser recreated their roles for the 2004
>>> movie with Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson, which played the show more for
>>> laughs:
>>>
>>> https://www.thewrap.com/david-soul-dies-starky-and-hutch/
>>>
>>> --
>>
>>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Group member Brad Beam has passed away

2023-12-15 Thread Melissa P

I am shocked to read of Brad's passing.  He was a longtime fixture here.

Thanks for letting us know.


On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:50 PM Marti Lawrence 
wrote:

> He was a regular contributor to this group, and we became Facebook friends
> some time back. I was shocked to see that his brother posted of his passing
> - he was only 49 years old.
> Here are two notices from his brother:
>
>
>
>
> Hug those close to you, we never know how much time is left.
>
> ~ Marti
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Politics May Keep 'Good Doctor' Off in Mich.

2023-11-17 Thread Melissa P

If I remember correctly, HWCNBN had (at least) one already taped show (Drop
the Mic) not broadcast (it was shown after the election) and had to bow out
of an American Idol appearance.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 2:35 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Seems to me that there were actors in the past running for office who had
> to have their shows taken off where they were running.
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 1:04:43 PM UTC-6 M-D November wrote:
>
>> Outside of Dumpsterfire Jessica Trump, what other first-run examples are
>> there?
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:34:50 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>
>>> Cast member Hill Harper is running for the U.S. Senate in Michigan as a
>>> Democrat replacing the retiring Debbie Stabenow and Sony Pictures
>>> Television, the ABC medical drama's producer, is requesting the Federal
>>> Election Commission to rule on whether airing a program featuring
>>> appearances by an actor in a role running for political office in real
>>> life, whether on ABC, Hulu or syndication, is legal in the state of
>>> Michigan:
>>>
>>> https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/aos/2023-10/202310R_1.pdf
>>>
>>> Seems  to me from past experience that the answer would be "no."
>>>
>>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Henry Winkler's memoir

2023-10-26 Thread Melissa P

I won't be able to make it, but he'll be promoting the book on November 7th
at the Sixth and I Synagogue -- event will be streamed:

https://www.sixthandi.org/event/henry-winkler/


On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 1:48 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> (I believe the GG-web issue has been remedied, at least for me, so...)
>
> He begins the book tour for *Being Henry: The Fonz...and Beyond* at
> People, where he told of struggling with learning issues as a child and
> even at the height of his career, and then had to also deal with his son
> developing it... he hadn't heard the term *dyslexia* till a professional
> explained that was what the kid had... and his later kids also had it...
>
> https://people.com/henry-winkler-the-fonz-struggled-with-lines-dyslexia-diagnosis-book-excerpt-exclusive-8379603
>  (link)
> B
>
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] SemiNoTV: Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire Going Against 'Woke' Disney with New Streamer

2023-10-18 Thread Melissa P

Thanks for posting about Laura Osnes.  I had no idea.

I've seen her perform a couple of times in DC, including being part of a
tribute to Barbra Streisand (hosted by Fran Drescher!).

Coincidentally, I'm off to the same venue tonight (GWU's Lisner Auditorium)
-- Rachel Maddow's book tour!


On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 3:53 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> A little addition:  The voice of "Chip Chilla"'s father is--Rob
> Schneider.  His mother's voice is Laura Osnes, the musical theater actress
> who won the "Grease" reality comp "You're the One That I Want" and was on
> her way to a big career on Broadway until she refused to take a COVID
> vaccination for a concert performance during the pandemic and it came out
> that she is a QAnon geek--she now lives in Nashville and has pretty much
> retreated to Christian music and Hallmark Channel movies.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 1:44 PM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> Claiming that UncaWalt's place is dishonoring his legacy by pandering to
>> Duh Gays and Duh Minorities, the conservative Daily Wire's co-founder
>> Jeremy Boreing (snicker, snicker) has announced a new family programming
>> streamer called Bentkey, named after the Wire's parent company and a
>> necklace that Boreing wears (oh, he's so manly)--the streamer launches with
>> four original series (including "Chip Chilla," which looks a helluva lot
>> like "Bluey" except they're Amurricans and the kids are home-schooled) and
>> some acquired series--in addition, they are making a theatrical film called
>> "Bentkey's Snow White and the Evil Queen," starring Wire YouTube host Brett
>> Cooper, with an unimpressive acting resume but she's 22 and she's not a
>> Latina like Disney's "Snow White" live-action star Rachel Zegler and she's
>> not trying to make a political statement about the character like Zegler
>> (the trailer in the below link seems to indicate that her singing voice is
>> Auto-Tuned)--the film will come out, so to speak, later in 2024 (the Disney
>> "Snow White" comes out Mar. 22):
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/daily-wire-snow-white-movie-disney-1235619906/
>>
>> An Axios article about the streamer, so you can really see how much the
>> "Chip Chilla" characters look like the Aussie blue heelers of "Bluey":
>>
>> https://www.axios.com/2023/10/16/daily-wire-streaming-kids-bentkey-disney
>>
>> Boreing is also producing for the Wire a series based on "The Pendragon
>> Cycle," a series of books about the King Arthur legends starring--what a
>> surprise!--Cooper that will appear on the Wire's website in 2024.
>>
>>
>> -
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Have a new Big Brother cast!

2023-09-04 Thread Melissa P

Izzy, the flute player, made an appearance on NPR's Tiny Desk Concert:

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1183901629/wild-up-tiny-desk-concert

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: ItllBeOnTV: Subject of Sandy Bullock movie says adopted family swindled him

2023-08-20 Thread Melissa P

A bit of background that's never included in the story:

Not relevant, I assume.

Briarcrest Baptist High School -- the school in the film -- was established
when busing started in Memphis -- as a place for White students to flee
public schools.  White teachers, as well as White students, left the public
schools to avoid desegregation.

The turmoil occurred during my final years of high school, and I remember
it well.

So, I can't watch the movie and not think of that time when Briarcrest
became the option for the younger siblings of my friends. (I graduated two
years before the changes took place.)

A few years ago, I had lunch with one of my classmates whose husband had
applied to be an assistant golf coach at the school; he was turned down
because he wasn't the right kind of Christian.

I think it's an important part of the school's history -- that should never
be ignored or forgotten -- but obviously the movie's producers didn't see
it that way.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:30 AM Mark Jeffries 
wrote:

> If you want to, it's on Hulu.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 7:36 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Hopefully this will drive many to go back and watch the film and realize
>> just how horrid it is…
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2023 at 2:10 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> All of the stories right now are from lawyers saying their side is all
>>> innocence and the other side is pure evil. Give it enough time (without
>>> breathless headlines) and the two sides will settle for an undisclosed
>>> amount or the case will continue to discovery where all sorts of details
>>> will come out.
>>>
>>> Oher played to a second contract in the NFL which means he earned
>>> millions. There has been nothing reported about that money being subject to
>>> the conservatorship and it should dwarf the amount he is suing the Tuoheys
>>> for. If there’s a story here, that’s it.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 4:39 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 The author of the book the Bullock film was based on, weighs in...
 Michael Lewis told the WaPo 20th paid $250k for the rights, split between
 Lewis and the family, but Oher started turning down the checks written to
 him, and Lewis suspected the money was being put in a trust fund for
 Oher... *and* Oher reportedly signed away his rights to 20th, who never
 paid him, and ultimately dropped the film (Warners released it later)...

 https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-blind-side-author-michael-oher-allegations-defends-tuohy-family-1235698812/
  (link)
 B

 Moi, Aug 17th:

 Maybe Oher is forgetful (football can do that to a guy)... TMZ says he
 was aware of the conservatorship in 2011, when he was interviewed for a
 biography...

 https://www.tmz.com/2023/08/17/michael-oher-conservatorship-tuohy-book-the-blind-side/
 
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[TV orNotTV] David Letterman Surprises Shoppers by Bagging Groceries at Iowa Supermarket

2023-07-24 Thread Melissa P

https://consequence.net/2023/07/david-letterman-groceries/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] So long, Nicolas Coster

2023-06-28 Thread Melissa P

He was the reason I became addicted to soap operas when I was in high
school, an addiction that lasted about a decade.



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> NTBCW Nikolaj Coster-Waldau... he was in *everything...* Broadway, TV
> (notably multiple soaps, even one on streaming!), and films... Monday (26)
> in Florida; 89.
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nicolas-coster-dead-another-world-santa-barbara-all-my-children-1235524531/
>  (link)
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fwd: Per Your Request

2023-06-21 Thread Melissa P

Yep

My apologies


On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 6:53 PM Jon Delfin  wrote:

> pretty sure you meant to send this elsewhere
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 6:50 PM Melissa P 
> wrote:
>
>> Old street address no capital
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* arlingto...@rectrac.com
>> *Date:* June 21, 2023 at 6:29:22 PM EDT
>> *To:* takingupspace...@gmail.com
>> *Subject:* *Per Your Request*
>> *Reply-To:* registrat...@arlingtonva.us
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *PLEASE NOTE: The password reset link below may only be used once. If you
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[TV orNotTV] Fwd: Per Your Request

2023-06-21 Thread Melissa P

Old street address no capitalSent from my iPadBegin forwarded message:From: arlingto...@rectrac.comDate: June 21, 2023 at 6:29:22 PM EDTTo: takingupspace...@gmail.comSubject: Per Your RequestReply-To: registrat...@arlingtonva.usThank you for using Arlington County's Department of Parks and Recreation online registration and reservation system. As a reminder, your User ID is shown below. If you have forgotten your password, please click the "Password Reset Link" under the User ID below to select a new password. PLEASE NOTE: The password reset link below may only be used once.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: "Kat" put down

2023-05-07 Thread Melissa P

Agree with you completely.  And, I'm a cat person.  In other words, there's
never been a time in my life when I didn't have a cat.  (People assume I
have multiple cats; I have only one; as an adult, I've never had more than
one at a time.)

So, naturally, I tuned into the first episode and have seen many of them
since.  A problem for the show, for me, at least, was that the cats got
only a second or two of airtime.

But it's a really awful show.  Not only is it not funny, it has an icky
vibe to it.

Yes, as marvelous as Leslie Jordan was (I followed his career for years,
really enjoyed his one-man show, and even got to chat with him a couple of
times), even he couldn't produce laughs if the writers couldn't deliver,
and they couldn't.

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 12:47 PM Diner  wrote:

> It was a mercy killing.
>
> After Leslie Jordan's death I decided to watch the next episode because I
> was a fan of his work. I couldn't even make it halfway through the episode.
> It was horrifically bad. A bunch of talented actors, but not one line was
> even remotely funny.
>
> On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 8:43:34 AM UTC-4 Brad Beam wrote:
>
>> Let the “Jeopardy!” jockeying begin in earnest….
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2023/05/call-me-kat-canceled-season-3-fox-1235358083/
>>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Bill Maher kisses Elon Musk's butt better than Joe Rogan

2023-05-02 Thread Melissa P

Well, I'm one of those dozen.  And, so is a friend.  We went to Maher's
show recently at the MGM in National Harbor, Maryland.

But -- here are the parts of his act that I hate:

1.  Covid nonsense
2.  Telling kids they don't need to go to college, and
3.  Fat shaming

But Maher has the best writers working today, and I have great admiration
and appreciation for them even though I wish he would just shut up about
1, 2, and 3.  Oh, and he's probably not a nice person in real life.

The Musk interview was mostly unintelligible.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 11:58 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I’d be surprised if more than a dozen people still watch his show.
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 8:50 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It’s only a two-minute clip and not the whole interview, but Bill Maher
>> manages to stick his nose farther up Elon Musk’s butt than Joe Rogan.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/qFEaTk--tZo
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'SNL' Editors Strike Averted

2023-03-26 Thread Melissa P

Until the airing of the most recent show, I could not remember the last
time I laughed at something, anything, on SNL.

I now have a benchmark, this skit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYNFqmu2toI


On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 4:18 PM Marti Lawrence 
wrote:

> Glad to see this. We still watch SNL every week, but there are times when
> the only really funny thing is the pre-taped segment.
>
> ~Marti
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:19:30 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
>> The people who edit the pre-shot segments for "Saturday Night LIve" and
>> NBCU have agreed to a pact that  recognizes the IATSE union representing
>> the editors, while NBCU agrees to raises, health care and meals, hotels and
>> transportation for the staff who do most of their work overnight on Fridays
>> to get the segments ready for the live telecast (the sketches are usually
>> shot Thursday and Friday before the telecast):
>>
>>
>> https://www.thewrap.com/saturday-night-live-editors-ratify-new-labor-contract-averting-strike/?utm_source=newsletter_medium=email_campaign=breaking_news_7234727
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SortaNoTV: 'Smash' May Make It to Broadway

2023-03-22 Thread Melissa P

I was a big fan of the series -- bought all of the music and even managed
to attend the one night only concert version of the series in New York in
2015, which was superb.

Initially, when it was first talked about, the broadway production was
supposed to be *Bombshell*, the musical within the musical, but,
fortunately that plan got canned.

I doubt any of the original cast will be on stage.  Oddly enough, I saw
both Megan Hilty and Katharine McPhee in concert this year (at different
times).


On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 11:35 AM Mark Jeffries 
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> The 2012-13 NBC drama series about the pressure to put up a Broadway
> musical may end up as a Broadway musical in the 2024-25 season--many of the
> people involved in the original series are involved here, including Steven
> Spielberg and at-the-time NBC chairman Bob Greenblatt as producers (but
> notably not credited series creator Theresa Rebeck, who angrily left after
> the first season)--no casting announced yet:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/arts/smash-musical-broadway-1235357915/
>
> The original plans were to do make the show-within-a-show "Bombshell" an
> actual show, but after a workshop last year it was decided to stick with an
> adaptation of the series.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] IsThisStillOnTV? "Romeo and Juliet" from '68 flick sue Paramount for >$100M

2023-01-07 Thread Melissa P

The music is pretty, though.


On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:18 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I will gladly testify that this version of the play was perhaps the most
> boring ever set to film, and not even gratuitous nudity could save it.
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 7:51 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Olivia Hussey and Leonard Whiting, teens during filming, now both in
>> their 70s, claim Franco Zeffirelli ordered them to do a scene nude late in
>> production, then said that cameras would be aimed so as not to accent the
>> nudity... no comment from the studio; the director passed in 2019...
>>
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2023/01/sexual-abuse-lawsuit-paramount-romeo-amp-juliet-stars-movie-1235210875/
>>  (link)
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>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: RIP Barbara Walters

2023-01-05 Thread Melissa P

I'm sure she must be the reason I continue to watch The Today Show.

Because when I was growing up, my father appreciated seeing a successful
Jewish woman on TV.

I assume I'll always have The Today Show habit.  When I was in New York
recently, I hung out on the Plaza and even had my picture taken with Hoda,
Savannah, and Craig.  Wish I had remembered to thank Savannah for her
"crazy uncle" reference to Trump.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mini review: The Wheel

2022-12-30 Thread Melissa P

Many thanks for the responses. HWCNBN fans don’t care for the show, but were 
happy with his performance. Split decision on the blue hair.  

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 30, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Mark Jeffries  wrote:
> 
> 
> And the only actual ads were in the local breaks, at least on "The Wheel" (in 
> the two breaks where there were ads, it was all promos, a PSA for the Sandy 
> Hook Project, which I'm sure Steve Douchbag and his idiots on "Fox and 
> Friends" made a comment about this morning, an ad for "Puss in Boots 2," 
> which as a Universal release counts as promo time, and an NFL Shop ad, which 
> the networks that have the NFL have to run in promo time).  In the old days, 
> this would have been called "sustaining" and Nielsen wouldn't have measured 
> this, I think.  (Also, in the old days this was a "dark week" where ratings 
> weren't taken and the networks dumped all of their news documentaries and 
> cultural shows like, uh, the Kennedy Center Honors on the week's schedule.)
> 
> The overnights aren't out yet, so for now we can't check this.
> 
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 12:30 AM Jim Ellwanger  wrote:
>> NBC decided to cram four hours of television into three hours of space 
>> tonight (following "The Wheel," they reran a 3-episode "Law & Order" 
>> crossover event), so to make room, they eliminated most of the commercial 
>> breaks.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2022, at 8:43 PM, Melissa P  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HWCNBN fans are curious about the missing commercial breaks, 2 or 3, I 
>>> think, in tonight’s show. 
>>> 
>>> I don’t believe I’ve seen that before. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 21, 2022, at 12:50 AM, Jim Ellwanger  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A couple of other notes I have to pass along...
>>>> 
>>>> - These shows were taped in October 2021.
>>>> 
>>>> - Michael McIntyre, the host, often complained about having to repeatedly 
>>>> say "it's one in three, who's it gonna be," saying that NBC forced him to 
>>>> have a rhyming catchphrase.
>>>> 
>>>> - McIntyre also pointed out that, in trying to sell the show overseas, 
>>>> they'd emphasized to NBC that it was the highest-rated show on British 
>>>> television in 2020... but didn't mention that when it aired, it was really 
>>>> the only show airing new episodes.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Melissa P  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for that explanation. I had no idea who Nikki Bella was. Guess I 
>>>>> could’ve googled. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 1:21 PM, M-D November  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nikki's fine until she opens her mouth and you remember that one of her 
>>>>>> major weaknesses in WWE was her total inability to cut a promo worth 
>>>>>> half a damn. You'd think the time she'd have picked SOMETHING up from 
>>>>>> John Cena for all the time they were together.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 10:38:55 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>>>>>> It's stupid in a harmless way.  And if you like mammary glands there's 
>>>>>>> Nikki Bella.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark Jeffries
>>>>>>> spotl...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 10:35 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Kornacki also appears on "Football Night in America" so he might have 
>>>>>>>> a bad contract/needs the money.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I might have to take one for the list and see if the Blake 
>>>>>>>> Shelton/Carson Daly show "Barmageddon" is stupider than this apparent 
>>>>>>>> train wreck.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 08:25:15 PM PST, Doug Eastick 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>

Re: [TV orNotTV] Mini review: The Wheel

2022-12-29 Thread Melissa P

HWCNBN fans are curious about the missing commercial breaks, 2 or 3, I think, 
in tonight’s show. 

I don’t believe I’ve seen that before. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 21, 2022, at 12:50 AM, Jim Ellwanger  wrote:
> 
> 
> A couple of other notes I have to pass along...
> 
> - These shows were taped in October 2021.
> 
> - Michael McIntyre, the host, often complained about having to repeatedly say 
> "it's one in three, who's it gonna be," saying that NBC forced him to have a 
> rhyming catchphrase.
> 
> - McIntyre also pointed out that, in trying to sell the show overseas, they'd 
> emphasized to NBC that it was the highest-rated show on British television in 
> 2020... but didn't mention that when it aired, it was really the only show 
> airing new episodes.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Melissa P  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for that explanation. I had no idea who Nikki Bella was. Guess I 
>> could’ve googled. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 1:21 PM, M-D November  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Nikki's fine until she opens her mouth and you remember that one of her 
>>> major weaknesses in WWE was her total inability to cut a promo worth half a 
>>> damn. You'd think the time she'd have picked SOMETHING up from John Cena 
>>> for all the time they were together.
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 10:38:55 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>>>> It's stupid in a harmless way.  And if you like mammary glands there's 
>>>> Nikki Bella.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark Jeffries
>>>> spotl...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 10:35 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Kornacki also appears on "Football Night in America" so he might have a 
>>>>> bad contract/needs the money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I might have to take one for the list and see if the Blake Shelton/Carson 
>>>>> Daly show "Barmageddon" is stupider than this apparent train wreck.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 08:25:15 PM PST, Doug Eastick 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've only watched 11 minutes and it is really stupid.Two of the six 
>>>>> Stars on the wheel are former Celebrity Big Brother contestants. Nuff 
>>>>> said.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How did Steve Kornacki get sucked into a chair on that show? Wow 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> /Doug 
>>>>> eas...@mcd.on.ca
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mini review: The Wheel

2022-12-20 Thread Melissa P

Thanks for that explanation. I had no idea who Nikki Bella was. Guess I 
could’ve googled. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 20, 2022, at 1:21 PM, M-D November  wrote:
> 
> Nikki's fine until she opens her mouth and you remember that one of her 
> major weaknesses in WWE was her total inability to cut a promo worth half a 
> damn. You'd think the time she'd have picked SOMETHING up from John Cena for 
> all the time they were together.
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 10:38:55 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>> It's stupid in a harmless way.  And if you like mammary glands there's Nikki 
>> Bella.
>> 
>> Mark Jeffries
>> spotl...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 10:35 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Kornacki also appears on "Football Night in America" so he might have a bad 
>>> contract/needs the money.
>>> 
>>> I might have to take one for the list and see if the Blake Shelton/Carson 
>>> Daly show "Barmageddon" is stupider than this apparent train wreck.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 08:25:15 PM PST, Doug Eastick 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've only watched 11 minutes and it is really stupid.Two of the six 
>>> Stars on the wheel are former Celebrity Big Brother contestants. Nuff said.
>>> 
>>> How did Steve Kornacki get sucked into a chair on that show? Wow 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> /Doug 
>>> eas...@mcd.on.ca
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Mini review: The Wheel

2022-12-19 Thread Melissa P

Thanks for the heads up.  Now, I know I don't have to watch until the 29th.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 10:14 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> I've only watched 11 minutes and it is really stupid.Two of the six
> Stars on the wheel are former Celebrity Big Brother contestants. Nuff said.
>
> How did Steve Kornacki get sucked into a chair on that show? Wow
>
>
>
> /Doug
> east...@mcd.on.ca
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Visiting the Ed this week

2022-11-03 Thread Melissa P

In ALL of my experience (West Coast, East Coast, doesn't matter), audience
waiting has ALWAYS been an unpleasant experience.  Back in July 2021, a
woman standing about 5 people behind me fainted and an ambulance came and
got her.  One would think that might have been an incentive to get the
audience out of the heat and at least in the air-conditioned lobby, but
nope, the incident didn't change the Late Show's audience procedures at
all.  We waited in the heat some more.

However, a few years ago -- the last time I attended sitcom tapings in LA
-- there was a bright spot.  At Warner Brothers, audiences were handled in
the parking garage and there were benches for us to sit on to preserve line
order.  Doesn't sound like much, but it was actually a major improvement.

One of the guests last night was Ernie Moniz?  Back when he worked in the
Obama White House, Dr. Moniz was a reviewer of the publication I helped
prepare.  One of my colleagues was called over to the Old Executive Office
Building -- specifically to explain purchasing power parities to him.  Just
a memorable incident from my past.


On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 1:20 PM M-D November  wrote:

> Dave - I'd rather sit in the house for 90 minutes than have to stand on
> the street in line (or crammed into the Ed's lobby), as it had been done
> pre-COVID.
>
> On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 5:37:55 AM UTC-4 Dave Sikula wrote:
>
>> So, if I'm reading this right, they made you sit in the house with
>> nothing happening for about 90 minutes? That's inexcusable.
>>
>> --Dave Sikula
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 7:22:13 PM UTC-7 David Bruggeman wrote:
>>
>>> I left the Ed about 6:45 Eastern, and haven't seen the show yet, so I
>>> might have more to say later in the week.
>>>
>>> Most of what Dave describes below reflects my experience, though the
>>> process is much more efficient than in 2017.  I arrived at 3:30, and once
>>> my plus one satisfied all the COVID requirements, we were in the Ed within
>>> 20 minutes and right to our seats (ground level, near the back and across
>>> from Joe Saylor in the band, though we still had a fair amount of time
>>> waiting in the theater.
>>>
>>> The staff had music piped in (mostly current hits).  I can't remember
>>> who came first, but the floor director and the warm-up guy (Paul Mercurio,
>>> who was probably doing it in 2017) were next.  Mercurio was leaning hard on
>>> the cheerleading approach to being a warm-up comic, which can easily rub
>>> someone the wrong way.  His interactions with audience members were more
>>> entertaining.
>>>
>>> The band came out and the crowd really responded.  They played the song
>>> that used to play over the end titles (chorus lyrics "I feel good, I feel
>>> free, I feel fine just being me.")  Stephen came out during the song, did
>>> the Q thing, and then the show started around 5:30-5:40.
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Visiting the Ed this week

2022-10-31 Thread Melissa P

Coincidentally, I have a ticket for next Wednesday's Late Show taping!

However, I'm on the fence about using it.  I have tickets for musicals
Tuesday evening and Wednesday evening -- and was planning to try at TKTS
for a Wednesday matinee.  I realized that if I go to a matinee, I probably
won't be able to make the Colbert line.  Not sure what I will do.  I wonder
what the latest is that I could make it to Colbert?  For example, if the
matinee was over by 4:30, would I be able to make it?

Unlike the sitcom tapings I used to attend in LA where I was always one of
the few audience members wanting to ask a question, there were lots of
hands raised when I was at Colbert In July 2021.  So, I had little chance
of being called on -- and I wasn't.  Sorry, I cannot remember the question
I planned to ask.  Or -- maybe it was my old standard (I've never been able
to ask).  "What guest have you really wanted to have on and neither a staff
member -- nor you -- were successful in getting that person on the show?"

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> Hello everyone,
>
> I have tickets for Wednesday's Late Show taping.  I wanted to know if
> there were any burning questions and/or advice that members of the brain
> trust have for someone who's only done the L.A. based late night tapings.
>
> Best,
> David
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[TV orNotTV] How the Travel Channel became the ghost channel

2022-10-30 Thread Melissa P

https://wapo.st/3sJOyfD

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Leslie Jordan, 67, "Will & Grace" and "Call Me Kat" co-star, killed in car accident

2022-10-24 Thread Melissa P

I am so sad. 

I had the pleasure of talking with him several times. He was a lovely, lovely 
man. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 24, 2022, at 3:03 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
> 
> 
> Oh no! He is… well, was… hysterical on social media. I encourage everyone to 
> sign up for TikTok just to check out his posts. 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 12:00 PM Diner  wrote:
>> Damn. What a unique talent.
>> 
>> https://variety.com/2022/tv/obituaries-people-news/leslie-jordan-dead-will-and-grace-american-horror-story-1235412784/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Big Bang" book: Cuoco not first choice for Penny

2022-10-19 Thread Melissa P

Responding to this post has been on my to-do list.  Sorry it's taken me so
long to get to it.

I'll be getting and reading the book in the near future.

A couple of scenes of the second pilot were filmed on a Saturday when I
happened to be in Los Angeles (for another reason).  Only Jim and Johnny
were in the scenes, but Kaley was on the set and introduced to the
audience.  I don't think Simon and Kunal had been cast yet.

I got to see the show being filmed one more time (before its popularity
skyrocketed) and was able to offer a storyline suggestion to Bill Prady; I
could tell that he thought it had merit.  I was thrilled later on that
season to see my idea used in a storyline.

Despite knowing someone who knew the science advisor on the show, I
couldn't get in to see another taping.

Unlike *Young Sheldon*, the show held up for all 12 of its seasons.

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 5:47 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Jessica Radloff's oral history of the comedy, dropping Tuesday (10/11),
> interviews many of the participants, and noted that due to Penny being a
> character name in another pilot up for CBS' consideration the same year as
> "BBT," Lorre/Prady were asked to rename her "Katie"... and had several
> actresses you'll recognize as potential candidates...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/big-bang-theory-book-marisa-tomei-kaley-cuoco-1235234461/
>  (link)
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named to Host 'Wheel Live'

2022-09-04 Thread Melissa P

Beloved?  Sometimes and sometimes not so much.

The show will be two subway stops away, but Walberg will be hosting that
one.

Because he won't be singing, and because I'm not a fan of Wheel, I won't be
traveling, although I was recently in Pittsburgh for a production of The
Drowsy Chaperone in which he did not sing.  Had lunch with him and a few
other fans in April.

There's been much fan speculation about him possibly replacing Pat.

Fans have two more game show episodes to look forward to.


On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 12:42 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> The former "American Idol" contestant who we hope is still beloved by our
> Melissa will be splitting off a tour of the long-running game show
> (inspired no doubt by the "Price is Right Live" touring show) with
> journeyman emcee Mark L. Walberg (currently "Antiques Roadshow").  Clay's
> first gig will be Oct. 13 in Portland, Me. and will go until Nov. 30 in
> Sioux Falls, S.D.  Details below and you do not have to buy a ticket to
> sign up to be a contestant on the show:
>
> https://www.wheeloffortunelive.com/
>
> Since the current contract will probably be Pat and Vanna's last contract
> with the show, would Clay be under consideration to be Pat's replacement?
> Hm...
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Lea Michele Replaces Beanie Feldstein as Fanny Brice in Broadway's 'Funny Girl'

2022-07-12 Thread Melissa P

TV related -- art imitating art -- that is, Ryan Murphy deserves some
credit.

(It was mentioned in today's *Washington Post*, and I'm sure throughout
social media,)

Toward the end of the series *Glee* there was a story arc in which Rachel
(Lea Michele's character), now a college student in NYC, auditions for --
and gets -- the role of Fanny Brice in a Broadway revival of *Funny Girl*.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 7:20 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> And theater Twitter is beside itself, especially those who believe that
> her alleged racist behavior on the "Glee" set precludes her from the role.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
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>
>> The first one is the more common. https://glee.fandom.com/wiki/Gleeks (link)
>>   B
>>
>> M-D November, to moi, July 11th:
>>
>>> More to the point (and more on topic), Glee fans (Gleeks? Gleetards?)
>>> finally get their wish.
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[TV orNotTV] Fwd: Lea Michele Replaces Beanie Feldstein as Fanny Brice in Broadway's 'Funny Girl'

2022-07-11 Thread Melissa P

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[TV orNotTV] Fox News Tells Upfront Story With No Mention Of Prime-Time Stars 05/18/2022

2022-05-19 Thread Melissa P

Is this anything?

Does it make sense that non-primetime programming is subsidizing Carlson,
Hannity, and Ingraham?


"So why were Carlson, Hannity and Ingraham omitted? It may be because the
goal of the Fox News Media pitch was to emphasize journalism and
entertainment over the partisan opinions of its three prime-time firebrands.

Plus, the three shows have proven to be a difficult sell -- at least
according to numerous reports. To put it another way, the shows are adept
at drawing audiences, but not mainstream advertisers."
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Peter Doocy

2022-04-12 Thread Melissa P

Doofus is a hero to Fox News viewers.  They believe he's the only reporter
who successfully asks tough, smart, gotcha questions.

Seriously

On the other hand, I always refer to him as Peter Doofus.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 3:53 PM PGage  wrote:

> I only know of this guy only from watching Jen Psaki regularly kick his
> ass during her Press Briefings. When his little planned attempts to burn
> Psaki or Biden blow up in his face, are they shown on Fox News somehow as
> triumphs, or do they just not air him at all except for the few occasions
> he just asks a regular question?--
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How does “Senator Oz” sound?

2022-04-09 Thread Melissa P

Trump's first choice in that race has some wife-beating problems and had to
drop out:

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/11/22/senate-candidate-sean-parnell-loses-custody-battle-ends-campaign/



On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 7:54 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Isn’t Oz polling at something like 1%?
>
> Trump can sure pick ‘em.
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:18 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> Donald Trump just endorsed Dr. Oz.
>>
>> Endorsement of Dr. Oz
>>
>> This is all about winning elections in order to stop the Radical Left
>> maniacs from destroying our Country. The Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
>> has a tremendous opportunity to Save America by electing the brilliant and
>> well-known Dr. Mehmet Oz for the United States Senate. I have known Dr. Oz
>> for many years, as have many others, even if only through his very
>> successful television show. He has lived with us through the screen and has
>> always been popular, respected, and smart. He even said that I was in
>> extraordinary health, which made me like him even more (although he also
>> said I should lose a couple of pounds!). He is a graduate of Harvard
>> University and earned a joint MD and MBA from the University of
>> Pennsylvania School of Medicine and Wharton School of Finance. He has
>> authored more than 350 original publications, written 8 New York Times
>> bestsellers, and received patents for developing medical devices that have
>> improved countless lives and performed thousands of life-saving heart
>> operations.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Oz is Pro-Life, very strong on Crime, the Border, Election Fraud, our
>> Great Military, and our Vets, Tax Cuts, and will always fight for and
>> support our under-siege Second Amendment. He will ensure America will
>> become Energy Independent again. Dr. Oz also passionately believes in
>> high-quality education and protecting parent involvement throughout the
>> process. Perhaps most importantly, I believe that Mehmet Oz will be the one
>> most able to win the General Election against a Radical Left Democrat
>> looking to do unthinkable harm to our Country. Women, in particular, are
>> drawn to Dr. Oz for his advice and counsel. I have seen this many times
>> over the years. They know him, believe in him, and trust him. Likewise, he
>> will do very well in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, where other candidates
>> will just not be accepted. He knows his job is to serve every single
>> Pennsylvanian. Dr. Oz is smart, tough, and will never let you down,
>> therefore, he has my Complete and Total Endorsement. Good luck, Dr. Oz. our
>> Country needs you!
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 5:13 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was wondering why a few jabronies on the tweetyfeed were griping about
>>> *Hoischel*'s absence.B
>>>
>>> Steve Timko, to PGage *et al*, March 24th:
>>>
 Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker are off a presidential panel since they are
 running for Congress.


 https://www.kolotv.com/2022/03/24/herschel-walker-dr-oz-removed-bidens-sports-council/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How does “Senator Oz” sound?

2022-04-09 Thread Melissa P

Meant to post this a few days ago:   From:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/dr-oz-net-worth-talk-show-salary-revealed-1235126719/#recipient_hashed=3cd129333d40a396a7984e8b8139fc837e24001598bfe040405aa72cfa8754c3

Oz served a two-week stint as the guest host

 of *Jeopardy!* last spring, drawing some outrage from viewers for his past
support of pseudoscientific treatments. According to the filing, Oz was
paid more than $268,000 for the guest-hosting gig, with all of that money
being donated to an unnamed charity.


On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 7:18 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Donald Trump just endorsed Dr. Oz.
>
> Endorsement of Dr. Oz
>
> This is all about winning elections in order to stop the Radical Left
> maniacs from destroying our Country. The Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
> has a tremendous opportunity to Save America by electing the brilliant and
> well-known Dr. Mehmet Oz for the United States Senate. I have known Dr. Oz
> for many years, as have many others, even if only through his very
> successful television show. He has lived with us through the screen and has
> always been popular, respected, and smart. He even said that I was in
> extraordinary health, which made me like him even more (although he also
> said I should lose a couple of pounds!). He is a graduate of Harvard
> University and earned a joint MD and MBA from the University of
> Pennsylvania School of Medicine and Wharton School of Finance. He has
> authored more than 350 original publications, written 8 New York Times
> bestsellers, and received patents for developing medical devices that have
> improved countless lives and performed thousands of life-saving heart
> operations.
>
>
>
> Dr. Oz is Pro-Life, very strong on Crime, the Border, Election Fraud, our
> Great Military, and our Vets, Tax Cuts, and will always fight for and
> support our under-siege Second Amendment. He will ensure America will
> become Energy Independent again. Dr. Oz also passionately believes in
> high-quality education and protecting parent involvement throughout the
> process. Perhaps most importantly, I believe that Mehmet Oz will be the one
> most able to win the General Election against a Radical Left Democrat
> looking to do unthinkable harm to our Country. Women, in particular, are
> drawn to Dr. Oz for his advice and counsel. I have seen this many times
> over the years. They know him, believe in him, and trust him. Likewise, he
> will do very well in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, where other candidates
> will just not be accepted. He knows his job is to serve every single
> Pennsylvanian. Dr. Oz is smart, tough, and will never let you down,
> therefore, he has my Complete and Total Endorsement. Good luck, Dr. Oz. our
> Country needs you!
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 5:13 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I was wondering why a few jabronies on the tweetyfeed were griping about
>> *Hoischel*'s absence.B
>>
>> Steve Timko, to PGage *et al*, March 24th:
>>
>>> Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker are off a presidential panel since they are
>>> running for Congress.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.kolotv.com/2022/03/24/herschel-walker-dr-oz-removed-bidens-sports-council/
>>>
>>
>>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Another chance to avoid the Kardashians

2022-03-29 Thread Melissa P

They could talk about the one thing Kardashians all have in common:
terrible taste in romantic partners.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 9:34 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> To talk about what? They don’t actually do anything. They are our modern
> day Gabor sisters, but Zsa Zsa and Ava at least had personalities… wretched
> personalities, I grant you, but they weren’t tabula rosas. What questions
> can you ask them?
>
> What’s it like to be rich because of a porn film your mom released? What’s
> it like to be non-biodegradable? Can you count to ten?
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 6:18 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> All four of the women join Robin Roberts a week from Wednesday (4/6) at
>> 8pm on ABC... sorry, "Survivor" is on, or "Masked Singer," or the Nets and
>> the Knicks on ESPN, or...
>>
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] How To Get A Cash Advance With American Express | CreditCards.com

Correct!

I know because it happened to my neighbor Betsy and my former colleague 
Carolyn. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 25, 2022, at 1:26 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 10:20 AM Melissa P  
>> wrote:
>> Sorry. 
>> 
>> My account hasn’t been hacked. 
> 
> That’s exactly what a hacker would say 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Ai-ken!!!
>> 
>>> *shakes fist*
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 13:07, PGage  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> She is more American Idol than American Express…
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 9:40 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>>>> I feel like Melissa’s account has been hacked 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:32 AM Melissa P  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.creditcards.com/card-advice/american-express-cash-advance/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] How To Get A Cash Advance With American Express | CreditCards.com

I am just having a really unusual day, no need to explain. 

But if anyone is interested in donating to or wants to know more about Mr. 
Aiken’s campaign, please let know so that I can send you or post a special link 
that credits fans for their good work. 

And, yes, it would be a real link, not a hacked one! 

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 25, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
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> Ai-ken!!!
> *shakes fist*
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 13:07, PGage  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> She is more American Idol than American Express…
>> 
>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 9:40 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>> I feel like Melissa’s account has been hacked 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:32 AM Melissa P  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.creditcards.com/card-advice/american-express-cash-advance/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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Sorry. 

My account hasn’t been hacked. 



Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 25, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
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> Ai-ken!!!
> *shakes fist*
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2022, at 13:07, PGage  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> She is more American Idol than American Express…
>> 
>>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 9:40 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>> I feel like Melissa’s account has been hacked 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 9:32 AM Melissa P  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.creditcards.com/card-advice/american-express-cash-advance/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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https://www.creditcards.com/card-advice/american-express-cash-advance/


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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Mitchell Ryan

2022-03-13 Thread Melissa P

Just catching up with mail missed while traveling.

I attended a taping of Dharma and Greg (loved the show), and at one point,
Mr. Ryan plopped down in an empty seat next to mine.  He was charming.  I'm
pretty sure we chatted about him and Susan Sullivan playing a married
couple years earlier on a soap opera.  I think both were on Another World.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 10:20 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Longtime character actor, everything from “Dark Shadows” to “Dharma and
> Greg”. Had a memorable brief role in Gross Pointe Blank. Onetime SAG
> president.
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/mitchell-ryan-lethal-weapon-dharma-greg-1235104831/amp/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP William Hurt

2022-03-13 Thread Melissa P

Thanks for the recommendation.

Big fan.

*Children of a Lesser God* = such great work.

On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 7:29 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I previously recommended the BBC Scotland produced movie “The Challenger”
> starring Hurt as Richard Feynman. I’ll gladly recommend it again.
>
> On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 4:13 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> I am old enough to go back to Altered States, but he will always have a
>> special place in my memory for Body Heat, which I saw just a few years
>> after it first came out in one of the best retro theater double bills ever
>> with Double Indemnity. Also loved him in Gorky Park.
>>
>> More recently enjoyed his television work in Goliath and Condor.
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 3:30 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> Very sad.
>>>
>>> Broadcast News is one of my favourite films. And he was just
>>> consistently excellent.
>>>
>>> RIP.
>>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022, 21:50 Steve Timko,  wrote:
>>>
 Not a lot of TV, but so many great movies.


 https://variety.com/2022/film/news/william-hurt-dead-kiss-of-the-spider-woman-1235203576/

 3DusQXfLzkx2ueRkcTW89%2B6XfpVVQ%40mail.gmail.com
>> 
>> .
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Capitol Steps hang it up

2022-02-24 Thread Melissa P

The Capitol Steps had been performing for years before I went to a show,
two, in fact -- because a local HWCNBN fan's husband performed with the
troupe.  So, I'm guessing that was in 2004 or 2005.

I'm pretty sure Russell was the entertainment at an event I went to, only I
can't remember which one.  That's what happens when you get old.  He was an
institution in the city for decades, so I'm glad I got to see him in
person.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 9:54 PM John Edwards  wrote:

> I used to rather enjoy Mark Russell although, to be honest, I was about 12
> during his heyday in the mid-80s. The Capitol Steps couldn't clean
> Russell's novelty piano.
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 9:15 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> I put them half a step below Russell, who was occasionally mildly amusing
>> through random chance. The Steps were impressive in being consistently
>> unfunny in violation of the laws of probability.
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Too hard to tell them apart.
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2022, at 6:22 PM, Paul Murray 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom, I need a frame of reference here. Are we talking better, worse, or
>>> equivalent to Mark Russell?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>>>
 I’m sure the fact they were uniformly unfunny had nothing to do with it.

 On Feb 24, 2022, at 9:00 AM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
 tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Whilst perusing that same Poynter 'feed' whence came several reports
 today, I also found (by way of an excellent interview with Spike Lee...
 yes, he's not dead yet, and it's likely 'cuz he's not arrogant

 [link]) a WaPo Magazine postscript to the comedy troupe born in the early
 80s from staffers for moderate Illinois US Sen. Charles Percy... blame
 COVID, natch...

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/02/16/capitol-steps-comedy-troupe-folds/
  (link)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Ex-Chief weighs in on the J! hosting situation

2022-02-20 Thread Melissa P

I like the job she's doing more than you do, but I think Jennings does
better.

I disagree with you -- strongly -- on her stylists.  I think they do a
great job dressing her and her hair.

For comparison, Mindy Kaling's stylist also does a great job.  In contrast,
Kelly Clarkson's sucks.


On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 12:05 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> He's the only one. She's awful, especially in her interactions with the
> contestants and her timing in cueing them to pick the next answer. Jennings
> is light years better.
>
> I get the feeling the staff doesn't think much of her, either, especially
> given the outfits the stylists put her into.
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 1:56:27 PM UTC-8 David Bruggeman wrote:
>
>> TL:DR, he's come around on Mayim.
>>
>>
>> https://www.primetimer.com/barnhart/mayim-bialik-is-the-future-of-jeopardy?mc_cid=3f186cba62_eid=2ecf66baff
>>
>> David
>>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Status quo for Olympics on Peacock

2022-02-16 Thread Melissa P

https://www.nexttv.com/news/analysis-super-bowl-could-kick-off-media-measurement-multiverse-mess



On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 5:26 PM PGage  wrote:

> Right. Whatever the actual validity of Nielsen numbers though, they are
> probably better than just relying on self reported estimates from NBC. I
> was just pointing that out.
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 1:16 PM  wrote:
>
>> What Kevin and I were referring to is a story from last September about
>> the Nielsen company losing its accreditation and the networks severing
>> ties. The thread in this group starts on 9/2/21. It’s possible that Nielsen
>> corrected whatever methodological problems they had and they’re officially
>> in use again but I’ve seen no announcement. So if NBC is using Nielsen
>> numbers they’re using numbers that they have claimed are unreliable.
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 10:16 PM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> So, to be fair, I don’t think the Olympic ratings are being reported from
>> network press releases. The Hollywood Reporter story here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/winter-olympics-ratings-2022-first-weekend-1235088942/
>>
>> Cites its source on ratings as: “All figures are “Total Audience
>> Delivery,” NBCU’s preferred metric combining Nielsen ratings for linear TV
>> and Comscore figures for streaming.”
>>
>> I also like this story because it does report Olympic ratings in the
>> context of standard decline for other shows. For example, they point out
>> the Winter Olympic ratings have declined from 4 years ago about the same
>> amount as the ratings for NBC’s then very highly rated program “This Is Us”
>> (both about 50%).
>>
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 4:08 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:06 PM  wrote:
>>>
 The information seems to be coming from network press releases so maybe
 journalists are just taking their word for it.

>>>
>>> I’m trying to remember whether the role of a journalist includes
>>> independently verifying information given to them before sharing it in a
>>> newspaper or newscast. Hmmm.
>>>
>>>
 On Feb 14, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:

 

 Questions: There isn’t currently a ratings service being used by the
 industry to track viewers, so how are audience numbers being compiled and
 analyzed?

 On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM PGage  wrote:

> I agree it is a muddled story. As I have been arguing for some years
> now, every story about reduced ratings for major TV events should include
> some estimate of what the expected decline would be based on established
> trends, to allow judgement if the decline in this instance was more or 
> less
> than expected. This story starts to do that, then wanders off.
>
> Similarly, it starts to say ratings decline is a disaster, then
> wanders into maybe not so bad.
>
> The actual story is that ratings, while not irrelevant, do not mean
> what they used to. First, because of all the other ways people view tv
> content, and other ways corporations have and are finding to monetize 
> that.
> Second, because, somewhat paradoxically, in a universe in which ratings 
> are
> severely down all over, even CSI range numbers can be financially useful.
>
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 9:45 AM  wrote:
>
>> I can’t figure out what the story is here. The lede is that ratings
>> are disastrously low, which should mean NBC is going to suffer great
>> losses. The last paragraph of the original article says NBC anticipated 
>> the
>> shift to streaming and is set to turn a profit. So what’s newsworthy 
>> about
>> this?
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:20 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> NBC brass at a presser noted that "the numbers" are not unexpected,
>> but that advertising effectiveness is improved by the increased streaming
>> capacity, while OLY showrunner Molly Solomon and Mike Tirico expressed
>> confidence with what went down at Opening Ceremonies...
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nbc-2022-olympics-peacock-streaming-ratings-1235091738/
>>  (link)
>>B
>>
>> Paul Murray, to John Edwards and moi, Feb 9th:
>>
>>> NBC’s Olympics ratings are terrible. That doesn’t mean the Games are
>>> dying.
>>> Thanks to social and digital media, the Games could be “one of the
>>> most-viewed video events in U.S. history”
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/09/nbc-olympics-ratings/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Status quo for Olympics on Peacock

2022-02-15 Thread Melissa P

Saw this this morning:

https://www.nexttv.com/news/super-bowl-watched-by-150-million-people-across-platforms-ispottv

When I get a chance, I'll ask a friend who is a member of AAPOR (American
Association for Public Opinion Research) if the subject has been discussed.

I'm also wondering what kind of work has been done to make use of
collecting data from cable companies and streaming services.  I know
nothing.


On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 10:16 PM PGage  wrote:

> So, to be fair, I don’t think the Olympic ratings are being reported from
> network press releases. The Hollywood Reporter story here:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/winter-olympics-ratings-2022-first-weekend-1235088942/
>
> Cites its source on ratings as: “All figures are “Total Audience
> Delivery,” NBCU’s preferred metric combining Nielsen ratings for linear TV
> and Comscore figures for streaming.”
>
> I also like this story because it does report Olympic ratings in the
> context of standard decline for other shows. For example, they point out
> the Winter Olympic ratings have declined from 4 years ago about the same
> amount as the ratings for NBC’s then very highly rated program “This Is Us”
> (both about 50%).
>
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 4:08 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:06 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> The information seems to be coming from network press releases so maybe
>>> journalists are just taking their word for it.
>>>
>>
>> I’m trying to remember whether the role of a journalist includes
>> independently verifying information given to them before sharing it in a
>> newspaper or newscast. Hmmm.
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 5:30 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Questions: There isn’t currently a ratings service being used by the
>>> industry to track viewers, so how are audience numbers being compiled and
>>> analyzed?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59 AM PGage  wrote:
>>>
 I agree it is a muddled story. As I have been arguing for some years
 now, every story about reduced ratings for major TV events should include
 some estimate of what the expected decline would be based on established
 trends, to allow judgement if the decline in this instance was more or less
 than expected. This story starts to do that, then wanders off.

 Similarly, it starts to say ratings decline is a disaster, then wanders
 into maybe not so bad.

 The actual story is that ratings, while not irrelevant, do not mean
 what they used to. First, because of all the other ways people view tv
 content, and other ways corporations have and are finding to monetize that.
 Second, because, somewhat paradoxically, in a universe in which ratings are
 severely down all over, even CSI range numbers can be financially useful.

 On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 9:45 AM  wrote:

> I can’t figure out what the story is here. The lede is that ratings
> are disastrously low, which should mean NBC is going to suffer great
> losses. The last paragraph of the original article says NBC anticipated 
> the
> shift to streaming and is set to turn a profit. So what’s newsworthy about
> this?
>
> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:20 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> NBC brass at a presser noted that "the numbers" are not unexpected,
> but that advertising effectiveness is improved by the increased streaming
> capacity, while OLY showrunner Molly Solomon and Mike Tirico expressed
> confidence with what went down at Opening Ceremonies...
>
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nbc-2022-olympics-peacock-streaming-ratings-1235091738/
>  (link)
>B
>
> Paul Murray, to John Edwards and moi, Feb 9th:
>
>> NBC’s Olympics ratings are terrible. That doesn’t mean the Games are
>> dying.
>> Thanks to social and digital media, the Games could be “one of the
>> most-viewed video events in U.S. history”
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/02/09/nbc-olympics-ratings/
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: How does “Senator Oz” sound?

2022-02-02 Thread Melissa P

Yep, whatta blessing that he's running for public office.  Saw his poll
numbers not too long ago.  Single digits.

In the meantime, HWCNBN is running for Congress again.  So, no expected
appearance on Idol this season, and apparently there's another already
filmed game show episode with an uncertain future.


On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 12:20 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I recently found myself in an environment where I was forced to watch a
> few minutes of this idiot’s daytime show. It was worse than I imagined it
> could be
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 9:18 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> Dr. Oz stumbles out of the gate in Senate race
>>
>> In his first tests as a candidate, the celebrity physician fails to
>> impress Pennsylvania GOP activists.
>>
>>
>> https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/25/dr-oz-senate-race-stumbles-2056
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 5, 2021, 10:55 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> It’s too early for me to get interested in the details of the race and I
>>> can’t vote in the Republican primary anyway. What I have seen is that at
>>> least two of his challengers are fabulously wealthy and they’re all
>>> preparing to spend millions on getting elected.
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Diner  wrote:
>>>
>>> Just saw my first Oz campaign ad, on 6ABC in Philadelphia... right
>>> before Final Jeopardy.
>>> Guess that's the only way he can get back on Jeopardy.
>>> I knew he was running, of course, but I had no idea he was advertising
>>> already. I've never seen advertising this early.
>>> And in the ad, he and his graphics scream "Washington got it wrong on
>>> Covid" and spouts some pro-death slogans.
>>> The primary isn't until May 17. I can't believe we have five and a half
>>> more months of this bullshit ahead. (And more if he wins.)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 3:53:17 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>>>
 One thing I didn’t know was how much Oz was tied in to the Fox News
 universe:


 https://www.mediamatters.org/dr-mehmet-oz/dr-oz-has-misled-public-medical-issues-years-now-hes-running-senate

 On Dec 2, 2021, at 2:56 PM, PGage  wrote:

 

 I was just about to press send on almost the same reply before I saw
 yours.

 As horrible a US Senator as this guy would undoubtedly be, he is an
 even worse physician, and thru his TV show has harmed untold millions.
 Getting him off the air is a pure Good.

 On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 at 10:16 AM  wrote:

>
> On Dec 2, 2021, at 11:42 AM, Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>
>
> Apparently Dr. Oz"s show is shutting down entirely by mid-January.
>
>
> So there’s some good that will come out of this.
>
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Being The Ricardos

2022-02-02 Thread Melissa P

I liked it more than you did, but in the interest of offering
consistent commentary, I couldn't help noticing that the baby in the movie
was wearing an outfit with modern sleeves.

As you may recall, I complained here about the modern neckline of the
prison outfits worn by the stars of *The Trial of the Chicago 7*.

What's with Sorkin's choice of costume designer?  Authenticity isn't a
priority?

On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 1:33 AM PGage  wrote:

> I finally watched this tonight (one of my aging patients told me this week
> that he identified with what JK’s Frawley says about something dying in a
> man when young women call him old, so I wanted to see it for myself).
>
> As a die hard Sorkin fan, I have to say it was really not very good. I
> know Sorkin haters dislike it because they think it is typical Sorkin, but
> I disliked it because it was not Sorkin enough. It feels more like an
> imposter trying to write like Sorkin. Was also not impressed by the two
> lead actors, though the supporting cast was excellent.
>
> What made the whole experience worthwhile (in addition to being able to
> check back with my patient with integrity) was the amazing Nina Arianda. I
> just binged Goliath a few weeks ago and fell hard for her, and she steals
> the show here. The movie I want to see is the Lucy and Vivian story, not
> the tired Lucy and Desi tale.
>
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 10:35 PM davesik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Kidman/Sorkin's use of "gaslighting" is the least of this film's sins.
>>
>> I've watched 452 films this year. "Being the Ricardos" is one of the
>> worst. It's appalling from start to finish.
>>
>> --Dave Sikula
>>
>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021, 07:48:20 PM PST, PGage 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I did not know that the Twitter condemnation of Sorkin putting the term
>> in Lucy’s mouth was Roxane Gay, but she is exactly the person I imagined
>> making a thing of this, and what triggered my irritation.
>>
>> My introduction to “gaslight” as a term was through my parents and
>> grandparents, who were fans of the film and used the phrase occasionally in
>> casual conversation as early as the late 1960s (as far back as my awareness
>> of such things would allow me to remember). I read about the term in the
>> “Culture and Personality” book referenced by Yagoda, though my copy, which
>> I got at a used bookstore in the late 1970s, was the second edition
>> published in 1970, so I was not aware until I read the linked article here
>> that the 1st edition was in the first half of the 1960s.
>>
>> I have not seen the Ricardos, and so do not know what the context was for
>> its use. If one were to argue that it was less likely that someone in the
>> 1950s would casually use the term than someone in the 20-teens, then okay,
>> that’s no doubt true. But to argue there is “no way” someone would use the
>> term in the 1950s is, I think, demonstrably wrong. Not that one can ever
>> tell Roxane Gay she is wrong about anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 9:17 AM Diner  wrote:
>>
>> This 2017 article by Ben Yagoda (updated yesterday) should be the last
>> word on "gaslighting" as a verb.
>> https://benyagoda.com/2021/12/24/gaslighting-again/
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 1:06:39 PM UTC-5 Brad Beam wrote:
>>
>> My go-to says the earliest documented use of the word (as a common verb)
>> is 1969.
>>
>> https://wordsmith.org/words/gaslight.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* tvor...@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvor...@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Kevin M.
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2021 12:52
>> *To:* tvor...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Being The Ricardos
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
>> What is the argument for the side that says “gaslight” would not have
>> been used in the 1950s? There was a famous film titled “Gaslight” released
>> in 1944. Does Twitter think everything was invented in the last ten years?
>>
>>
>>
>> Nobody’s disputing the existence of the film; the dispute seems to be
>> whether “gaslighting” would’ve been a commonly used figure of speech in
>> that era. I’ve yet to see an instance of its use in media of that time
>> period, though I’ve not been actively researching it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 7:41 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 6:03 AM Jim Ellwanger 
>> wrote:
>>
>> One thing that really stuck in my craw is Sorkin having CBS executive
>> Clark Gregg saying something to the effect of “…if we tape a show Friday
>> night.”
>>
>>
>>
>> No one would have referred to “taping” a TV show in 1952. Videotape had
>> literally just been invented, and videotape equipment that was suitable for
>> broadcast use wasn’t introduced until 1956.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Allen used to joke that he’d shout “stop tape” when something
>> went wrong on his incarnation of The Tonight Show… it was a joke precisely
>> because his shows were live and tape hadn’t been used for that

Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Being The Ricardos

2021-12-23 Thread Melissa P

The article title caught my attention:

Perspective | Three things Aaron Sorkin doesn’t understand: Comedy, sitcoms
and women

What "Being the Ricardos" gets wrong about Lucille Ball and television
history.

By Annie Berke

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/14/aaron-sorkin-lucille-ball-being-ricardos-sitcom/

Because I've agreed with it since Sports Night.


Another Sorkin project, another anachronism.  After watching The Trial of
the Chicago 7 about a year ago, I remember remarking to a friend:  The
neckline of those prison uniforms is so 2020!  No prison uniform had that
neckline in 1970!


On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 1:06 PM Brad Beam  wrote:

> My go-to says the earliest documented use of the word (as a common verb)
> is 1969.
>
> https://wordsmith.org/words/gaslight.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Kevin M.
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 23, 2021 12:52
> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Being The Ricardos
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 9:25 AM PGage  wrote:
>
> What is the argument for the side that says “gaslight” would not have been
> used in the 1950s? There was a famous film titled “Gaslight” released in
> 1944. Does Twitter think everything was invented in the last ten years?
>
>
>
> Nobody’s disputing the existence of the film; the dispute seems to be
> whether “gaslighting” would’ve been a commonly used figure of speech in
> that era. I’ve yet to see an instance of its use in media of that time
> period, though I’ve not been actively researching it.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 7:41 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 6:03 AM Jim Ellwanger 
> wrote:
>
> One thing that really stuck in my craw is Sorkin having CBS executive
> Clark Gregg saying something to the effect of “…if we tape a show Friday
> night.”
>
>
>
> No one would have referred to “taping” a TV show in 1952. Videotape had
> literally just been invented, and videotape equipment that was suitable for
> broadcast use wasn’t introduced until 1956.
>
>
>
> Steve Allen used to joke that he’d shout “stop tape” when something
> went wrong on his incarnation of The Tonight Show… it was a joke precisely
> because his shows were live and tape hadn’t been used for that purpose yet.
>
>
>
> There is also a debate on Twitter over whether “gaslight” would’ve been
> used as an expression in the 1950s.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2021, at 1:53 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>
>
> Better acting than I was expecting. Story and writing were ok, but — as
> stated here multiple times — I don’t like stories told in flashback. JK was
> a dynamite “Fred”. --
>
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[TV orNotTV] For fans of The Office

2021-12-03 Thread Melissa P

https://www.washingtonpost.com/washington-post-live/2021/12/03/brian-baumgartner-author-welcome-dunder-mifflin-ultimate-oral-history-office/

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[TV orNotTV] Fwd: Alan Kalter, David Letterman's 'Late Show' Announcer, Dies at 78

2021-10-04 Thread Melissa P



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Re: [TV orNotTV] ‘CBS This Morning’s’ out-of-the-box hire is a smart one

2021-08-13 Thread Melissa P

Sorry to hear about the dog and cat (cats should never be outside because
they get hit by cars).

Glad you're becoming a cat person.  There's never been a time in my life
when there wasn't a cat in the family.  Phantom is my fourth cat as an
adult.  Cats are known to seek out those who don't particularly care for
them.  When I was growing up, my mother's friend Pam, who really didn't
like cats, was a favorite of Snowball.


On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:03 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 8:48 AM Melissa P 
> wrote:
>
>> Ha!  Just about to send a response.  Glad it got corrected!
>>
>> I'm so sorry for the screw-up!  And that your cats missed their 15
>> seconds of fame.  Kudos to you for being a cat person.
>>
>> My cat was honored on International Cat Day:
>>
>>
>> https://patch.com/virginia/arlington-va/international-cat-day-celebrated-arlington-cat-lovers?utm_term=article-slot-4_source=newsletter-daily_medium=email_campaign=newsletter
>>
>> I was not a cat person. We had a golden retriever named Bodie that we had
> to put down a few months ago due to severe aggressive cancer. The same week
> we had to do that, one of my wife’s cats was hit and killed by a speeding
> Amazon driver. It was a hard week.
>
> So my wife had told me constantly that she wanted sibling cats because
> none of her pets ever got along. So I arranged it, and much to everybody’s
> surprise, the kittens gravitate towards me… the non cat person.
>
> I like Marc Maron’s take on cats… that I like my cats; the cats of others
> hold little interest to me. Jax and Lego are often more entertaining to
> watch than anything on TV.
>
> For those who do find the cats of others interesting, here are mine:
>
> www.instagram.com/stackablecats
>
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 11:45 AM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 8:40 AM Ben Scripps  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fake mews?
>>>>
>>>
>>> She just corrected it for her 8:43 weather report
>>>
>>> No puns
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 13, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Kevin M. 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just following up that the morning show used a picture of someone
>>>> else’s cats today. They referred to them using my cat’s names and they said
>>>> they were my cats; they were not.
>>>>
>>>> That’s tv news for ya!
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:40 AM Kevin M. 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only because you posted about the CBS Morning Show, I am compelled to
>>>>> mention that  tomorrow morning during Amber Lee’s 6:40am weather segment
>>>>> during the show in Los Angeles, our emotional support kittens Jax & Lego
>>>>> are going to be featured. I’m hoping this will be their springboard to
>>>>> becoming social media influencers, so that my wife and I can retire early
>>>>> and buy a speed boat.
>>>>>
>>>>> www.Instagram.com/stackablecats
>>>>> <http://www.instagram.com/stackablecats>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:22 AM Steve Timko 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a look at this story from the Poynter Institute
>>>>>> https://www.poynter.org/newsletters/2021/cbs-this-mornings-out-of-the-box-hire-is-a-smart-one/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Morning show hires usually aren’t a reason to rise up and cheer. But
>>>>>> ‘CBS This Morning’s’ hiring of NFL star Nate Burleson as a co-host is
>>>>>> brilliant.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: RIP Markie Post

2021-08-13 Thread Melissa P

The only still-living cast member of *Hearts Afire* (who appeared in every
episode) is Billy Bob Thornton.

Ed Asner, Leslie Jordan, Beth Broderick, and the kids (one of whom is still
semi-famous in show business) are still alive, but, except for two of
the kids, they didn't appear in all three seasons.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 1:03 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Maybe I sent it to someone on social, but Marsha Warfield -- whom I must
> have stopped following, wanting to just cut down in that dept -- is still
> above ground.  B
>
> Kevin M, Aug 8th, in part:
>
>> Only Bull, Roz, and Dan remain
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ‘CBS This Morning’s’ out-of-the-box hire is a smart one

2021-08-13 Thread Melissa P

Ha!  Just about to send a response.  Glad it got corrected!

I'm so sorry for the screw-up!  And that your cats missed their 15 seconds
of fame.  Kudos to you for being a cat person.

My cat was honored on International Cat Day:

https://patch.com/virginia/arlington-va/international-cat-day-celebrated-arlington-cat-lovers?utm_term=article-slot-4_source=newsletter-daily_medium=email_campaign=newsletter



On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 11:45 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 8:40 AM Ben Scripps  wrote:
>
>> Fake mews?
>>
>
> She just corrected it for her 8:43 weather report
>
> No puns
>
>
>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>> Just following up that the morning show used a picture of someone else’s
>> cats today. They referred to them using my cat’s names and they said they
>> were my cats; they were not.
>>
>> That’s tv news for ya!
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:40 AM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Only because you posted about the CBS Morning Show, I am compelled to
>>> mention that  tomorrow morning during Amber Lee’s 6:40am weather segment
>>> during the show in Los Angeles, our emotional support kittens Jax & Lego
>>> are going to be featured. I’m hoping this will be their springboard to
>>> becoming social media influencers, so that my wife and I can retire early
>>> and buy a speed boat.
>>>
>>> www.Instagram.com/stackablecats 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:22 AM Steve Timko 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Take a look at this story from the Poynter Institute
 https://www.poynter.org/newsletters/2021/cbs-this-mornings-out-of-the-box-hire-is-a-smart-one/



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 ‘CBS This Morning’s’ hiring of NFL star Nate Burleson as a co-host is
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Markie Post

2021-08-08 Thread Melissa P

Oh, my goodness.  How terribly sad.

I was SUCH a big fan -- but only when she did *Hearts Afire* (still the
most perfect sitcom about Capitol Hill ever done).  There's an episode
guide to prove it.

Her absolutely biggest fan -- a former professor of bassoon at the
University of Idaho -- passed away a few years ago.  Because of her, he
became my first online friend.

I got to chat with her on the set of Hearts Afire, and she could not have
been nicer.  She was also lovely to my Idaho friend when he finally got to
meet her at a taping of *Odd Man Out.*

The last time I believe I saw her on screen was when *30 Rock* had a *Night
Court* cameo.

I was wondering if she would get to appear on the upcoming reboot of the
latter.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 3:04 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Yet another Night Court cast member joins the great courtroom in the sky
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/markie-post-actress-known-for-the-fall-guy-and-night-court-dies-at-70-1234994532/
>
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[TV orNotTV] Question suggestions

2021-07-14 Thread Melissa P

I’m at Colbert’s show. Suggestions?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Free Brittany [Was: Craig Ferguson Refusal to...]

2021-06-27 Thread Melissa P

I certainly have no medical expertise, but somehow I know that
dermatologists won't prescribe a certain acne medication to women unless
they're on birth control.

Perhaps that's also true of one or more of the medications Britney is
taking, and a judge has ordered her to take that medication.


On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 1:31 PM PGage  wrote:

>
> That may or may not be the best medical advice; we have lots of
> psychiatric pts who get pregnant, and there are ways around that, including
> taking a 9 month drug holiday. But regardless of whether it may not be a
> good idea for her to get pregnant, it is certainly her decision to make. I
> can’t imagine any court approving an order to force her not to get
> pregnant, based on psychiatric symptoms or medication.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 at 10:07 AM Melissa P 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, essentially she's already supporting Federline's 6 children, only
>> two of which are hers.
>>
>> But what makes most sense to me is that she shouldn't get pregnant
>> because of the psychotropic medications she's probably taking, which could
>> harm unborn children.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 11:15 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> And just in the interest of a complete historical record, here is a
>>> relevant NYT piece from a few days ago expanding in what Spears claim that
>>> she is somehow being prevented from removing her IUD is so shocking.
>>>
>>> This claim is shocking enough that I continue to lean towards not
>>> believing it is literally true. If it is true, then this alone would
>>> justify all the fan site histrionics.
>>>
>>> But what I found particularly interesting is the speculation here as to
>>> why Jamie Spears might be trying to prevent his daughter from getting
>>> pregnant: he may be trying to prevent her BF and the likely father of any
>>> baby from gaining a claim to control some or all of Brittany’s assets. This
>>> is interesting because this worry about Brittany being vulnerable to “undue
>>> influence” seems to be at the heart of the justification for the PC in the
>>> first place.
>>>
>>> Again, it strikes me as unbelievable that in 21st century California any
>>> court would stand for forced sterilization (even a temporary kind); more
>>> likely Jamie is making something else Brittany wants contingent on her
>>> having IUD in place (perhaps, in conjunction with their father, who would
>>> have a similar self-interest, access to her children).
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/health/britney-spears-forced-IUD.html?referringSource=articleShare
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 at 10:19 AM PGage  wrote:
>>>
>>>> LAT has a good analysis article this morning. Their conservation expert
>>>> (Leslie Salzman, a clinical professor of law at the Cardozo School of
>>>> Law) articulates several of the concerns I have been focusing on. The story
>>>> also points out how cozy the relations are between the different players in
>>>> this process, and there really isn’t an independent, objective advocate for
>>>> the conservatee. But they still don’t explain how a psychiatric dx
>>>> qualifies someone for this kind of Conservatorship.
>>>>
>>>> I used to do forensic evaluations for the state of California
>>>> (Competency to Stand Trial and Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity). One of
>>>> the most common things we would say in our reports is something like: “Yes,
>>>> this subject does have a mental illness, but no, it does not make them
>>>> incompetent to stand trial.” I suspect I would say something similar about
>>>> Spears if I were  evaluating her, unless there is some huge deficit or
>>>> pathology that has just not come out publicly.
>>>>
>>>> “According to the New York Times, which reviewed an internal 2016
>>>> report, Spears told her probate investigator that the conservatorship was
>>>> oppressive and that she wanted out. The investigator said it should
>>>> continue because of her “complex finances, susceptibility to undue
>>>> influence and ‘intermittent’ drug issues, yet called for ‘a pathway to
>>>> independence and the eventual termination of the conservatorship.’
>>>>
>>>> Salzman was troubled by several aspects of the proceedings from the
>>>> beginning. One, the judge didn’t allow Spears to hire her own attorney.
>>>> Two, her court-appointed attorney, according to Spears’ testimon

Re: [TV orNotTV] Free Brittany [Was: Craig Ferguson Refusal to...]

2021-06-27 Thread Melissa P

Well, essentially she's already supporting Federline's 6 children, only two
of which are hers.

But what makes most sense to me is that she shouldn't get pregnant because
of the psychotropic medications she's probably taking, which could harm
unborn children.

On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 11:15 AM PGage  wrote:

> And just in the interest of a complete historical record, here is a
> relevant NYT piece from a few days ago expanding in what Spears claim that
> she is somehow being prevented from removing her IUD is so shocking.
>
> This claim is shocking enough that I continue to lean towards not
> believing it is literally true. If it is true, then this alone would
> justify all the fan site histrionics.
>
> But what I found particularly interesting is the speculation here as to
> why Jamie Spears might be trying to prevent his daughter from getting
> pregnant: he may be trying to prevent her BF and the likely father of any
> baby from gaining a claim to control some or all of Brittany’s assets. This
> is interesting because this worry about Brittany being vulnerable to “undue
> influence” seems to be at the heart of the justification for the PC in the
> first place.
>
> Again, it strikes me as unbelievable that in 21st century California any
> court would stand for forced sterilization (even a temporary kind); more
> likely Jamie is making something else Brittany wants contingent on her
> having IUD in place (perhaps, in conjunction with their father, who would
> have a similar self-interest, access to her children).
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/health/britney-spears-forced-IUD.html?referringSource=articleShare
>
>
>
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 at 10:19 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> LAT has a good analysis article this morning. Their conservation expert 
>> (Leslie
>> Salzman, a clinical professor of law at the Cardozo School of Law)
>> articulates several of the concerns I have been focusing on. The story also
>> points out how cozy the relations are between the different players in this
>> process, and there really isn’t an independent, objective advocate for the
>> conservatee. But they still don’t explain how a psychiatric dx qualifies
>> someone for this kind of Conservatorship.
>>
>> I used to do forensic evaluations for the state of California (Competency
>> to Stand Trial and Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity). One of the most
>> common things we would say in our reports is something like: “Yes, this
>> subject does have a mental illness, but no, it does not make them
>> incompetent to stand trial.” I suspect I would say something similar about
>> Spears if I were  evaluating her, unless there is some huge deficit or
>> pathology that has just not come out publicly.
>>
>> “According to the New York Times, which reviewed an internal 2016 report,
>> Spears told her probate investigator that the conservatorship was
>> oppressive and that she wanted out. The investigator said it should
>> continue because of her “complex finances, susceptibility to undue
>> influence and ‘intermittent’ drug issues, yet called for ‘a pathway to
>> independence and the eventual termination of the conservatorship.’
>>
>> Salzman was troubled by several aspects of the proceedings from the
>> beginning. One, the judge didn’t allow Spears to hire her own attorney.
>> Two, her court-appointed attorney, according to Spears’ testimony
>> Wednesday, never told her that she could file a petition to terminate the
>> conservancy. And three, against Spears’ objections, the judge did not
>> appoint a neutral conservator but selected her father, with whom she was
>> known to have a rocky relationship.”
>>
>>
>> https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-26/britney-spears-conservatorship-claims-raise-serious-concerns
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 at 8:28 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> Under California law a conservatorship justified for a “person who is
>>> unable to provide properly for his or her personal needs for physical
>>> health, food, clothing, or shelter,” or for someone who is
>>> “substantially unable to manage his or her own financial resources or
>>> resist fraud or undue influence.”
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/6a484c43ce6c5ff1e73af0dfd97d948a
>>>
>>> The standard Kevin invokes is for temporary involuntary hospitalization
>>> (in California often referred to as a 5150).
>>>
>>> Spears is not being conserved because of tabloid rumors or raunchy
>>> behavior. She is being conserved because a Court found that she can not be
>>> trusted to care for herself. Almost always this is done because an older
>>> person is in full on Alzheimer’s, or a younger person suffered serious
>>> brain damage, or something else from which folks don’t recover. In Spears
>>> case it appears to be because of a psychiatric disorder, probably bipolar,
>>> which is unusual. It is possible she did something to injure her brain
>>> (trauma or drugs) that we don’t know about.
>>>
>>> The AP article says the Conservatorship specifically makes medical

Re: [TV orNotTV] Back at the Ed...

2021-06-19 Thread Melissa P

Perhaps I don't understand you, because I assume you know how science works.

Substitute "still unknown" or "still unproven" for "faith" and I'd be okay
with what you wrote.  The beauty of science is what we don't know and hope
one day to find out.


On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:22 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> PGage's point reminded me of something I noted back when Stewart hosted
> The Daily Show.  J-Stew interviewed author Marilynne Robinson in 2010 about
> one of her books.  IMO, neither was particularly effective in articulating
> their points, but here's the interview:
>
>
> https://www.cc.com/video/87tj6r/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-marilynne-robinson
>
> Around 2:58 the conversation turns to what may still be Stewart's
> perspective, that at a certain level science seems to be relying on faith
> about as much as religion.  He cites the inability to see antimatter as
> being comparable to arguments that God created everything.  I don't know
> that it's exactly what PGage is driving at, but I think the way some
> appeals to scientific authority take shortcuts contributes to this
> skepticism of the reliability of scientific information.
>
> For what its worth, Stewart didn't strike me at the time as willing to do
> the work to check these claims, or maybe even in a position to know that
> can be done.  I wrote about it here (as with any 11 year old internet
> thing, linkrot runs rampant in the post) -
> https://pascophronesis.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/failure-in-science-communication-jon-stewart/
>
> David
>
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021, 7:40:59 PM PDT, PGage 
> wrote:
>
>
> Again, I really don’t think this was satire. I don’t think Stewart is an
> anti-science Trumper, but I think he is genuinely worried about the dangers
> he sees in science- driven elitism, and wants to set some other authority
> (humanism perhaps?) above science. This is not an uncommon position among
> certain kinds of liberals (e.g., those still losing sleep over genetically
> modified crops).
>
> What we needed was a transition from his comic bit (however successful or
> not it was) and at least a few minutes of serious discussion.
>
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 at 4:20 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
> .
>
>
> As I watched the Stewart rant I thought his problem is he hasn't done
> standup in front of an audience for years and his performance was off. He
> wasn't clear about the point he was making - I think his point was if you
> say "trust the science" it doesn't mean trust only the science you agree
> with. As he built his rant his beats were off and as he got up and walked
> to the audience he didn't pause to see if the audience was still with him.
> If he spaced the buildup more it would have come out more like satire and
> less like a right wing talk radio rant.
>
> As for Carvey, he must be some kind of acquired taste. So many people I
> respect in comedy talk about what a genius he is and every time I watch an
> appearance I don't find him funny.
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Country-music couple "would consider" a talk show together

2021-06-09 Thread Melissa P

I believe Kellie Pickler's talk show was also based in Nashville.


On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 3:54 PM Karen Owen  wrote:

> TNN (The Nashville Network) used to have 2 regular talk shows.
>
> Crook and Chase hosted by Lorraine Crook and Charlie Chase
>
> and Nashville Now hosted by Ralph Emery and co-hosted by
>
> puppet Shotgun Red.   I didn't watch these regularly but I
>
> think they concentrated on Nashville music celebrity guests
>
> or movie/TV people who were working in Nashville.
>
> If they don't need in person guests anybody could do a talk show
>
> from anywhere but it would have to have better production
>
> values than the shows people are doing on YouTube from their
>
> basements.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Far, far OT: A table I use

2021-06-07 Thread Melissa P

Try a plastic placemat. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 9:48 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been known to take it into the next room (no fan) to put next to the 
> computer, but I am expected to put it back, as housemate uses it more often.
> 
> B
> 
> MelissaP, June 6th:
>> It can’t be moved to a place not below the ceiling fan?  Not relevant, but I 
>> hate ceiling fans. 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Far, far OT: A table I use

2021-06-06 Thread Melissa P

It can’t be moved to a place not below the ceiling fan?  Not relevant, but I 
hate ceiling fans. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 6, 2021, at 1:03 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have an adjustable table much like pictured here. If you're at all familiar 
> with them, you also know they have a 'lip' practically all the way around 
> them. I use a piece of wax paper lengthwise across it to minimize staining 
> from things placed on it, but my housemate has a ceiling fan above it, which 
> tends to blow the wax paper off. I want to use something flexible and durable 
> to hold the w.p. in place, but not so durable as to scratch the plastic. 
> Ideas?
> 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Gavin MacLeod R.I.P.

2021-05-29 Thread Melissa P

Ed Asner and Betty White are now the only MTM surviving cast members.


On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 3:29 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> I watched him, probably way too much.  Mary Tyler Moore and Love Boat.
>
>
>
> On Sat., May 29, 2021, 3:12 p.m. Diner,  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.tmz.com/2021/05/29/love-boat-star-gavin-macleod-dead-dies-mary-tyler-moore-show/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Maher's back, and taking on celeb Presidential candidates

2021-05-29 Thread Melissa P

He did not seem well.  He was obviously angry at being kept off the air for
two weeks.

On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 3:10 PM Jon Delfin  wrote:

> He was even crankier than usual last night, which I didn't think was
> possible. And less able to make logical arguments to score his prepared
> points.
>
> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 2:07 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Even a bigoted buffoon of a clock can be right twice a day. Doesn’t make
>> him less of a bigoted buffoon. Maher is the king of championing celebrities
>> hating people… he says he’s defending the First Amendment… he’s defending
>> prejudice and ignorance, he’s merely taking advantage of the First
>> Amendment to do it.
>>
>> On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 11:01 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hat-tip TMZ...
>>> https://youtu.be/v7ODeW4qaDg (link)
>>>
>>> B
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] They're fake.

Well, for a short period of time, you represented all of the
radio-listening crackpots in that area of the country.  Crackpots deserve
representation, too, don't you think?

One of my former colleagues went to work for Arbitron.


On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:28 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:16 PM Melissa P 
> wrote:
>
>> Kevin, you've never taken a class in statistics?
>>
>
> Two classes, so I know full well that one crackpot in the representative
> sampling can dilute the results.
>
> In college we had an NPR Jazz radio station on campus and a student-run
> grunge radio station (because it was in the state of Washington in the
> 1990s). One day in the mail I received notification from Arbitron that they
> wanted me to participate in the radio survey. Naturally, I was the crackpot
> in question, only because I told the truth: those were the only stations I
> listened to, and at very odd hours. When the ratings book came out, I
> represented some 13k people. And the drunk overnight DJ at the jazz station
> went from #17 to #2 in his time slot.
>
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:40 PM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> well… look at TV ratings, determined by a few thousand people.
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] They're fake.

Kevin, you've never taken a class in statistics?

On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 3:40 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> well… look at TV ratings, determined by a few thousand people.
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] They're fake.

If I remember correctly, Senator Sterling (who chose to be an Independent
when he took over his father's seat) held the balance of power in the
Senate.


On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 9:07 PM Brad Beam  wrote:

> *From:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Melissa P
>
> >I did get to say something to Lawrence O'Donnell afterward.  When I told
> him that I loved *Mr. Sterling* and mentioned the similarity between
> Senator Sterling and Senator Manchin, he said:  "I love hearing that!"
>
>
>
> Not recalling the show, I had to look up its description on the Wiki. And
> while I don’t know your points of recognition between the real and reel
> senators, as a constituent I’d say that Manchin is too old to be
> “idealistic.” He’s more the political equivalent of an opportunistic
> weathervane.
>
>
>
> _   _
>
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>
> |_>|_>  http://www.facebook.com/74bmw
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Re: [TV orNotTV] They're fake.

First, I don't have the skills you guys have when it comes to clever
subject lines, so I apologize if the title is imprecise.

Second, I attend many speeches/discussions that include Q sessions with
the audience.

I don't disagree with much of what you said.

But here's something interesting that I immediately noticed during the
pandemic when the events I used to attend are now online.

I like to challenge speakers when I disagree with them.  I guess the topic
I do most of the challenging on is school choice (I believe that there are
exceptions, but most students belong in public schools.  I'm particularly
opposed to public financing of any type of religious indoctrination
education.)

In person, I'd often get called on and get to ask my question.  Now,
however, the questions I submit online never get chosen.  Amusing, but also
somewhat annoying.

So, while I agree that there are benefits for those in charge to being able
to pick and choose, it can be a nonrandom process.


On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 5:12 PM PGage  wrote:

> Right, unless the producers fed people the questions, I would not call
> that fake.
>
> I used to organize Town Hall like sessions at the organization I worked
> for with visiting big whigs (one was with a pre-politicized Dr. Ben
> Carson). Originally we just put up two Mic stands and had people queue up
> to ask their questions. You only have to do this a few times to realize
> that inevitably you get three or four questions on the same topic (people
> actually say things like “I know this question was already asked, but I
> wanted to ask it again with just a very small modification”). Also, there
> will always be people who are too nervous or quiet or impossible to
> understand, and also some who over embrace the performative opportunity,
> and take 3 Minutes (a long time in the circumstance) to make a mini-speech
> before asking their question.
>
> We found it much better, and easier, to ask people to submit questions in
> writing and then select a good variety that could be asked from the podium
> quickly. The moderator had the authority to ask follow up questions as
> appropriate.
>
> On Fri, 21 May 2021 at 12:40 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Fake might be too strong a word. I’d go with pre-screened. Expecting
>> genuinely random questions from a handful of audience members to be a fair
>> representation of the populace at large is… well… look at TV ratings,
>> determined by a few thousand people. So they pre-screen to ensure a diverse
>> and useful set of questions, and to ensure the people asking questions can
>> comport themselves at the microphone. Otherwise, you get conspiracy
>> theorists and “babba booey!”
>>
>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 11:28 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Melissa.I kind of always assumed they are highly staged.
>>>  And I guess that's why I don't watch them much.
>>>
>>> But I did happen to catch the last 25 mins of Lawrence last night, where
>>> he followed up on a vax-hesitant  guy -- and they got jabbed live on MSNBC
>>> at Walmart last night.   So that was staged too.   I do, however, believe
>>> that he *was* hesitant, and the bigger story is how he changed his mind.
>>>  Kudos to his mom for joining in and getting jabbed too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 1:48 PM Melissa P 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was able to attend the MSNBC town hall last week, held at Northern
>>>> Virginia Community College, Alexandria (where Dr. Jill Biden has taught for
>>>> several years).
>>>>
>>>> Televised town halls are completely staged.  It makes perfect sense, of
>>>> course, when every minute of an hour of TV must be planned in advance. I'm
>>>> sure everyone here already knew it, but I can at least provide first-hand
>>>> confirmation.
>>>>
>>>> For example, I was not given an opportunity to ask a question.  As we
>>>> were being signed in, those given blue wrist bands had been pre-selected to
>>>> ask a question, I later discovered.  I was given a red wristband.
>>>>
>>>> None of us knew what the blue bands meant until the show started.  In
>>>> fact, a non-picked person was on his way to the mic when he was shooed back
>>>> to his seat!
>>>>
>>>> I did get to say something to Lawrence O'Donnell afterward.  When I
>>>> told him that I loved *Mr. Sterling* and mentioned the similarity
>>>> between Senator Sterling and Senator Manchin, he said:  "I love hearing
>>>> that!"
>>>>
>>>> It was also cool to hear President Biden, in the

[TV orNotTV] They're fake.