Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
On Aug 13, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, there have been incidents where drivers have moved towards the racing line under a caution to express their extreme displeasure at another driver. After this I'll bet Grandma's pearls Nascar makes it abundantly clear that behavior will no longer be considered acceptable. No worries on the pearls then... http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/in-aftermath-of-stewart-ward-incident--nascar-bans-drivers-from-confronting-cars-133833022.html -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
Criminal charges not withstanding, it is too much to expect that if someone playing a sport kills a guy in that sport, he ought not be allowed to compete in that sport anymore? On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Ben Scripps b...@benscripps.com wrote: On Aug 13, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, there have been incidents where drivers have moved towards the racing line under a caution to express their extreme displeasure at another driver. After this I'll bet Grandma's pearls Nascar makes it abundantly clear that behavior will no longer be considered acceptable. No worries on the pearls then... http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/in-aftermath-of-stewart-ward-incident--nascar-bans-drivers-from-confronting-cars-133833022.html -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
Unless the death was intentional, I’d have to go with yes…that’s too much to expect. Doug Fields Tampa, FL From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin M. Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 9:10 PM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death Criminal charges not withstanding, it is too much to expect that if someone playing a sport kills a guy in that sport, he ought not be allowed to compete in that sport anymore? On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Ben Scripps b...@benscripps.com wrote: On Aug 13, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, there have been incidents where drivers have moved towards the racing line under a caution to express their extreme displeasure at another driver. After this I'll bet Grandma's pearls Nascar makes it abundantly clear that behavior will no longer be considered acceptable. No worries on the pearls then... http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/in-aftermath-of-stewart-ward-incident--nascar-bans-drivers-from-confronting-cars-133833022.html -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
I’d even give you accidental death through negligence…that’s warrant a ban. Otherwise, no…you knew the job was dangerous when you strapped on the helmet…and when you went wandering out on the track with cars moving toward you in excess of 100 mph. DF From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Fields Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 9:13 PM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death Unless the death was intentional, I’d have to go with yes…that’s too much to expect. Doug Fields Tampa, FL From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin M. Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 9:10 PM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death Criminal charges not withstanding, it is too much to expect that if someone playing a sport kills a guy in that sport, he ought not be allowed to compete in that sport anymore? On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Ben Scripps b...@benscripps.com wrote: On Aug 13, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, there have been incidents where drivers have moved towards the racing line under a caution to express their extreme displeasure at another driver. After this I'll bet Grandma's pearls Nascar makes it abundantly clear that behavior will no longer be considered acceptable. No worries on the pearls then... http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/in-aftermath-of-stewart-ward-incident--nascar-bans-drivers-from-confronting-cars-133833022.html -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
I would say it isn't, but if this isn't a guarantee in boxing (or presumably mixed martial arts), I'm not optimistic. David From: Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death Criminal charges not withstanding, it is too much to expect that if someone playing a sport kills a guy in that sport, he ought not be allowed to compete in that sport anymore? On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Ben Scripps b...@benscripps.com wrote: On Aug 13, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Finally, there have been incidents where drivers have moved towards the racing line under a caution to express their extreme displeasure at another driver. After this I'll bet Grandma's pearls Nascar makes it abundantly clear that behavior will no longer be considered acceptable. No worries on the pearls then... http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/in-aftermath-of-stewart-ward-incident--nascar-bans-drivers-from-confronting-cars-133833022.html -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
A couple points of clarification: Because of the nature of the relationship between the drivers and Nascar, it would be a challenge for Nascar to prevent drivers from running in other races. It would have to take a restriction on the driver/owner level. The fact law enforcement was and remains involved is a Very Bad Sign for Stewart, mostly because there's a question of criminal liability (i.e., this was clearly not a racing incident). The police confirmed this morning they have a second view of the accident, unseen by the public. They're serious about this. Finally, there have been incidents where drivers have moved towards the racing line under a caution to express their extreme displeasure at another driver. After this I'll bet Grandma's pearls Nascar makes it abundantly clear that behavior will no longer be considered acceptable. On Aug 11, 2014 11:09 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV tvornottv@googlegroups.com wrote: I think Stewart's past aggressive action on and off the track provides him with less of a benefit of the doubt in this instance compared to other drivers. A related issue might be whether NASCAR will continue to permit Cup drivers to race in these events. I thought NASCAR might have stepped in after Stewart broke his leg last year in the same class of car. Thankfully there were several new safety features installed in the aftermath of that accident. And yes, I know Cup drivers sometimes race on both Saturday and Sunday, but to someone like me who's marginally familiar with the sport, the gap between the Saturday and Sunday series seems much, much smaller than the gap between Cup and sprint cars. David -- *From:* M-D November mdnovem...@gmail.com *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2014 9:58 PM *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death Here's something I don't understand (and, admittedly, my knowledge of NASCAR is limited to a ill-advised purchase of EA NASCAR 2002 and the movie Talladaga Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby) - in looking at the pre-accident footage that ran on the news yesterday, it appears as though, after exiting his car, that Ward was crossing the track and pointing aggressively at a driver (possibly Stewart) and intentionally trying to cross through traffic, rather than staying by his car in (relative) safety. Why would any driver try to cross the track with a caution lap in progress, and would we be asking about criminal action, etc. if it had been a different driver to strike Ward on the caution lap? On Monday, August 11, 2014 12:03:18 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote: PGage, to moi, in part: I see - so they are having trouble determining whether Stewart did something to make his car contact Ward, or whether Ward stepped out into the path of Stewart's car? I am going to assume that if it is the former, then Stewart would be guilty of some kind of criminal act - reckless driving at a minimum, if not some kind of manslaughter. But, without veering into the kind of victim-blaming that got Stephen A. into trouble, it does seem that under the circumstances, getting out of your car and walking out into on-coming speeding traffic is a contributing factor in the accident. The few times I've seen similar silly walks in Cup, the walker never gets that close to the wrecker's car, with or without sanctioner's officials holding him/her back. Still, Cuppers are told in prerace meetings to think multiple times before doing anything that could end up spotlighted on any sports net's highlights. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
While prefacing all this with the fact that I'm no expert, particularly in this particular form of auto racing, so take all of this with a large grain of salt: A third possibility comes to mind from the fact (if it is indeed a fact) that Stewart apparently gunned his engine just as he passed Ward. Whatever Stewart did may have been an attempt to *avoid* hitting Ward. An additional factor on top of that may be that the race was under a yellow caution flag, so the cars were operating at relatively low speed, not racing speed. Possibly the handling of these specially-engineered cars is actually worse at low speed, and/or the drivers are less accustomed to performing evasive maneuvers with them at low speed? -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
Here's an article by someone who does seem to know what he's talking about, having driven winged sprint cars of this type: Indeed, Stewart may have hit the gas, but you steer sprint cars with the throttle more than with the steering wheel. The idea that he accelerated trying to hit Ward is beyond the pale. http://www.motorsport.com/sprint/news/yes-tony-stewart-did-run-over-a-fellow-driver-who-was-killed-but-know-the-whole-story/ -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
The author makes some good points, particularly about how sprint cars are steered in large part by the throttle, and that visibility to the side is restricted, and pointing out that Ward was wearing black. I am less persuaded by other lines of argument the author pursues at some length, along the lines that Tony Stewart is such a nice guy (he sleeps with a Chihuahua, and race Greyhounds but finds nice homes for them after they are done) it is absurd to even consider the possibility he gunned his engine purposely to intimidate or hit Ward. Not only are those arguments unpersuasive, but in the absence of an acknowledgement of the repeated temper tantrums and emotional hijackings we have seen from Stewart over the years, they have the effect of undermining the author's objectivity and credibility. I am not saying I think it is likely Stewart is in any way responsible for what happened; but we do have to wait for the results of an objective investigation, and not begin by assuming it is impossible he contributed to the tragedy in any way. On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:05 AM, djconner djcon...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an article by someone who does seem to know what he's talking about, having driven winged sprint cars of this type: Indeed, Stewart may have hit the gas, but you steer sprint cars with the throttle more than with the steering wheel. The idea that he accelerated trying to hit Ward is beyond the pale. http://www.motorsport.com/sprint/news/yes-tony-stewart-did-run-over-a-fellow-driver-who-was-killed-but-know-the-whole-story/ -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
Here's something I don't understand (and, admittedly, my knowledge of NASCAR is limited to a ill-advised purchase of EA NASCAR 2002 and the movie Talladaga Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby) - in looking at the pre-accident footage that ran on the news yesterday, it appears as though, after exiting his car, that Ward was crossing the track and pointing aggressively at a driver (possibly Stewart) and intentionally trying to cross through traffic, rather than staying by his car in (relative) safety. Why would any driver try to cross the track with a caution lap in progress, and would we be asking about criminal action, etc. if it had been a different driver to strike Ward on the caution lap? On Monday, August 11, 2014 12:03:18 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote: PGage, to moi, in part: I see - so they are having trouble determining whether Stewart did something to make his car contact Ward, or whether Ward stepped out into the path of Stewart's car? I am going to assume that if it is the former, then Stewart would be guilty of some kind of criminal act - reckless driving at a minimum, if not some kind of manslaughter. But, without veering into the kind of victim-blaming that got Stephen A. into trouble, it does seem that under the circumstances, getting out of your car and walking out into on-coming speeding traffic is a contributing factor in the accident. The few times I've seen similar silly walks in Cup, the walker never gets that close to the wrecker's car, with or without sanctioner's officials holding him/her back. Still, Cuppers are told in prerace meetings to think multiple times before doing anything that could end up spotlighted on any sports net's highlights. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
I think Stewart's past aggressive action on and off the track provides him with less of a benefit of the doubt in this instance compared to other drivers. A related issue might be whether NASCAR will continue to permit Cup drivers to race in these events. I thought NASCAR might have stepped in after Stewart broke his leg last year in the same class of car. Thankfully there were several new safety features installed in the aftermath of that accident. And yes, I know Cup drivers sometimes race on both Saturday and Sunday, but to someone like me who's marginally familiar with the sport, the gap between the Saturday and Sunday series seems much, much smaller than the gap between Cup and sprint cars. David From: M-D November mdnovem...@gmail.com To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death Here's something I don't understand (and, admittedly, my knowledge of NASCAR is limited to a ill-advised purchase of EA NASCAR 2002 and the movie Talladaga Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby) - in looking at the pre-accident footage that ran on the news yesterday, it appears as though, after exiting his car, that Ward was crossing the track and pointing aggressively at a driver (possibly Stewart) and intentionally trying to cross through traffic, rather than staying by his car in (relative) safety. Why would any driver try to cross the track with a caution lap in progress, and would we be asking about criminal action, etc. if it had been a different driver to strike Ward on the caution lap? On Monday, August 11, 2014 12:03:18 AM UTC-4, Bob Jersey wrote: PGage, to moi, in part: I see - so they are having trouble determining whether Stewart did something to make his car contact Ward, or whether Ward stepped out into the path of Stewart's car? I am going to assume that if it is the former, then Stewart would be guilty of some kind of criminal act - reckless driving at a minimum, if not some kind of manslaughter. But, without veering into the kind of victim-blaming that got Stephen A. into trouble, it does seem that under the circumstances, getting out of your car and walking out into on-coming speeding traffic is a contributing factor in the accident. The few times I've seen similar silly walks in Cup, the walker never gets that close to the wrecker's car, with or without sanctioner's officials holding him/her back. Still, Cuppers are told in prerace meetings to think multiple times before doing anything that could end up spotlighted on any sports net's highlights. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/11334217/tony-stewart-not-race-hitting-killing-kevin-ward-jr I am not a race fan (I watch the Indy and Daytona 500 every year, and that is about it) so I have very little context for evaluating this tragic incident. I caught the tail end of a comment on SportsCenter this morning by what appeared to be a former driver saying that, as an ESPN commentator, his expertise and responsibility to comment ends when a driver gets out of the car, since that is not part of racing, and he has never been in, or seen a similar situation, where a driver was killed by another driver after exiting his car. I found this guy's reserve refreshing. I have read that Stewart apparently gunned his engine just as he passed Ward, which predictably had the effect of making the back end of his car swerve towards Ward (in the event, Ward was hit by the back end of Stewart's car, thrown 50 feet and declared dead on arrival at the local hospital). If a skilled, professional driver intentionally took an action that contributed to this death, then that does seem like criminal behavior. OTOH, if I were driving 65 MPH on the freeway and some guy walked out from the meridian into the fast lane and I hit and killed him, it would seem unfair for me to be held criminally liable, since people are not supposed to be walking in the fast lane. If this incident is comparable to that, then Stewart does not seem criminally liable. I know there are race fans here and I am wondering if any with more knowledge of the sport have an opinion about this? -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
PGage: http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/11334217/tony-stewart-not-race-hitting-killing-kevin-ward-jr I am not a race fan (I watch the Indy and Daytona 500 every year, and that is about it) so I have very little context for evaluating this tragic incident. I caught the tail end of a comment on SportsCenter this morning by what appeared to be a former driver saying that, as an ESPN commentator, his expertise and responsibility to comment ends when a driver gets out of the car, since that is not part of racing, and he has never been in, or seen a similar situation, where a driver was killed by another driver after exiting his car. I found this guy's reserve refreshing. ESPN.com prominently mentions a Dale Jarrett piece on the incident, tho for some strange reason I can't get it to play; the three-time Daytona 500 winner and 1999 Cup Series champion will be the member I'll most miss from Bristol's crew when their share of the TV rights head to NBC next year. I have read that Stewart apparently gunned his engine just as he passed Ward, which predictably had the effect of making the back end of his car swerve towards Ward (in the event, Ward was hit by the back end of Stewart's car, thrown 50 feet and declared dead on arrival at the local hospital). If a skilled, professional driver intentionally took an action that contributed to this death, then that does seem like criminal behavior. OTOH, if I were driving 65 MPH on the freeway and some guy walked out from the meridian into the fast lane and I hit and killed him, it would seem unfair for me to be held criminally liable, since people are not supposed to be walking in the fast lane. If this incident is comparable to that, then Stewart does not seem criminally liable. It's a be-itch to investigate, as without seating in the backstretch nobody could see it from the right-hand sides of the cars. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: PGage: http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/ 11334217/tony-stewart-not-race-hitting-killing-kevin-ward-jr I have read that Stewart apparently gunned his engine just as he passed Ward, which predictably had the effect of making the back end of his car swerve towards Ward (in the event, Ward was hit by the back end of Stewart's car, thrown 50 feet and declared dead on arrival at the local hospital). If a skilled, professional driver intentionally took an action that contributed to this death, then that does seem like criminal behavior. OTOH, if I were driving 65 MPH on the freeway and some guy walked out from the meridian into the fast lane and I hit and killed him, it would seem unfair for me to be held criminally liable, since people are not supposed to be walking in the fast lane. If this incident is comparable to that, then Stewart does not seem criminally liable. It's a be-itch to investigate, as without seating in the backstretch nobody could see it from the right-hand sides of the cars. I see - so they are having trouble determining whether Stewart did something to make his car contact Ward, or whether Ward stepped out into the path of Stewart's car? I am going to assume that if it is the former, then Stewart would be guilty of some kind of criminal act - reckless driving at a minimum, if not some kind of manslaughter. But, without veering into the kind of victim-blaming that got Stephen A. into trouble, it does seem that under the circumstances, getting out of your car and walking out into on-coming speeding traffic is a contributing factor in the accident. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-NotTV: Car Racing Death
PGage, to moi, in part: I see - so they are having trouble determining whether Stewart did something to make his car contact Ward, or whether Ward stepped out into the path of Stewart's car? I am going to assume that if it is the former, then Stewart would be guilty of some kind of criminal act - reckless driving at a minimum, if not some kind of manslaughter. But, without veering into the kind of victim-blaming that got Stephen A. into trouble, it does seem that under the circumstances, getting out of your car and walking out into on-coming speeding traffic is a contributing factor in the accident. The few times I've seen similar silly walks in Cup, the walker never gets that close to the wrecker's car, with or without sanctioner's officials holding him/her back. Still, Cuppers are told in prerace meetings to think multiple times before doing anything that could end up spotlighted on any sports net's highlights. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
