Uh... and ?
I didn't ask you Tony. I have no idea why you want to be smart.
The history of Pick is not OT for a U2 group.
So cool your jets.
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In a message dated 2/6/2011 2:02:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes:
So as we see these great examples of solutions created by
individuals, generously provided here, just remember that we can
(and IMO should) just have one way of doing it, in a consistent
MV
I am not a salesperson. I can be technical sales support however. I can
convince the customer how wonderful *this* system is, but for some reason I'm
not a closer.
Anyone looking to hire someone like me?
Or should I be now looking for a partner who can get out and sell *me* to
some new
I have to disagree with the claim that none of the above interfaces
exist.
I'm currently in conversation with someone who has achieved connectivity
from PerlPHPD3 in order to have a type of web store.
I'm going to be looking at this to make the mods necessary to make it Perl
PHPUniverse. It
By the way, believe it or don't... In 1999, I interviewed for a gig
supporting a Reality.
I was expecting when the guy showed me the box to see something, you know
from the 90s or at least the 80s...
So he shows me this box, still working. It was STILL WORKING.
It was the original thin
In a message dated 2/4/2011 11:23:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
slestak...@gmail.com writes:
Most of this discussion is about client side connectivity. What I would
love to see is a replacement for UniBASIC. Server side language
bindings are what interest me.
Of course you can do this.
We were just discussing something similar on the PHP Meetup list. Lots of
people have lots of ideas. The ideas aren't what turn a 0 company into a
ten million dollar one. I have lots of ideas also, as does every programmer
or engineer.
An idea, a vision, a plan, go so far. If you don't
You go from PHP to Java to UniObjects ?
Wouldn't this mean the client must have their own Java compiler as well?
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Tony I think you're missing something here if I may be so BOLD, since I'm
never ever bold... ok anyway to be serious
In the history of our community, there have been people who developed a
product, created a market for it, that was evidently so interesting to one of
the hardware/os
Let's say, you happen to stumble across a site that is using Ultimate's UPDATE
processor. Did any other vendor ever have a migration path off this ? Ever?
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Subject: [U2] Universe Books?
I'm trying to find books on Universe but
Okay Michael go here
http://knol.google.com/k/pick-universe-unidata-resources#view
near the bottom of the page there is a heading Other Media and I've listed
three books there on Pick
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I agree with Glen here. Every cool tool with which I've ever been involved,
has been actually written for some customer, on their dime. Then some
agreement was reached at some point, that the tool could be marketed
separately. And voila, we have a hundred tools running around the
Let's not forget here that the business user wants a solution.
If you can come in, with their solution, and no one else can, and you're a
good salesperson, and the price is right, you get the signature most of the
time.
The reason products like Shims took off is because there was literally no
Is DataVue what was once called DataView ?
I was going through some old press releases from the mid 80s and saw an
announcement of how the then manager of Ultimate in Australia (or something
like that) was moving to the US to help start a new company called DataView
Will
The clients
Dawn there's a whole new career writing The History of Each Bleeping Language
Element or something like that.
Who came up with the idea that LOCATE meant... find a string in this string.
Who came up with the idea that ! meant NOT
And in what languages did all of these occur? Can we actually
I was stunned today to discover that there is a company still running an
Ultimate computer.
Am I being silly? Are there still a hundred of these out there?
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To be honest, I don't yet know. They probably contacted me, because they
misspelled it, and discovered that I was the only living expert on the Ultimate
:) So far, it's just a step above a prospect. It's curious the way these
Ultimate (and MV) customers fall through the software vendor
Which twenty?
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Sent: Fri, Jan 28, 2011 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP?
CallHTTP is used to call someone else's http service like a webservice
I would suggest this
IF String # Oconv(String,MCP) then
End
This will quite quickly tell you *whether* any given string has a
non-printable char in it.
It is the fastest known method to give you this Boolean result.
Then use the INDEX function to return the absolute location of any .
In a message dated 12/30/2010 8:46:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,
donr_w...@yahoo.com writes:
I use PORT.STATUS for several function within programs by capturing the
output
and parsing it. I have a couple of problems with this.
First, only one user at a time can run the command and this
In a message dated 12/27/2010 3:57:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
harold.o...@clark.wa.gov writes:
Do others have an opinion of
AccuTerm versus SecureCRT?
AccuTerm also uses Visual Basic and you can call scripts to run from inside
your Pick BASIC code. Just as you're doing now.
W
The point of relational as I understand it, was to try to create a database
where *calculations* were not required at all. The query language could
just start spitting out results immediately without the need for any interim
work space. Obviously all you have to do is add a SORT to this
The multi-valued format as you're calling it, is not an abnormal form.
It is a non-first normal form.
That is, it is normal, but it is not first normal.
The query language is extended with an implied unnest operation. We don't
actually use this type of language in MV, since we just assume that
In a message dated 12/23/2010 11:14:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
antli...@youngman.org.uk writes:
Actually, I'd disagree with you. Applications are all about the
METAdata, which a relational database throws away. ALL relational APPS
contain an awful lot of logic to manage stuff that SHOULD
In a message dated 12/23/2010 4:20:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
antli...@youngman.org.uk writes:
I'm still not seeing why you can't simply create an MV file for each
Table,
a record for each row, and an attibute for each column.
Where's the problem?
Because if you do this you do not
In a message dated 12/23/2010 4:28:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
antli...@youngman.org.uk writes:
SQL uses indexes. MV uses cross references to item-ids (MV sometimes
supports indexes, but they don't always work as well as in the relational
world.)
I don't know as that is true ... or
A simple select runs through the file and immediately begins to return
results, in the order the file in actually laid down on disk. It's very fast.
Anytime you sort, the system, has to create a workspace to sort in, and
then start adding and re-arranging elements as it encounters them. It
In a message dated 12/10/2010 6:56:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
slestak...@gmail.com writes:
That is why I was thinking a real name-value store might be in order. As
MV
professionals, not every solution has to be a Pick solution.
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Symeon Breen
Years ago I had written a system, far predating XML, where the element-tags
were unpredictable. Essentially the user was allowed to create any tags
they wished, and any number of tags they wished, attached to another item.
Each tag had an associated value. So far example
Zip Code =
No David you cannot restrict the tag names to valid Dict names, they can be
anything the user could possibly think up. And the user's can think up a
lot of things!
Think of the tags that you can apply on Amazon to products. You are not
forced to pick your tags from a list, you can type in
In a message dated 12/9/2010 6:18:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dmc...@imb.com.au writes:
You could quite easily come up with an escaping scheme to convert any
tag name into a valid escaped dictionary name.
Could you explain this more clearly?
I don't understand what you mean.
But Dan you're just flattening the array.
B
This is Pick!
The point of a method of populating a sparse array is to address the
efficient storage of data when your array is sparse. In your method, you'd
have
to do several disk reads in order to collect all the tags for one item in one
In a message dated 12/9/2010 8:18:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
dmc...@imb.com.au writes:
My form is not the most efficient for random access of individual items,
but it does give you the flexibility of being able to sort and select on
tag/value pairs. Additional benefits are that I could
In a message dated 11/11/2010 5:51:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
b...@explore.co.uk writes:
And if they could decide what I should have for dinner, that would be
nice too. :-)
http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/eating-the-entire-cooked-pumpkin/4hmqu
k6fx4gu/561
Definitely
WSJ
In a message dated 11/11/2010 7:45:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bi...@hkmetalcraft.com writes:
The new Rocket Clients rock.
Yes Bill please be more specific.
W
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In a message dated 11/11/2010 9:17:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bi...@hkmetalcraft.com writes:
3. The BDT (Basic Developer ToolKit) is a game changer.
More please. In what way exactly is that?
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If you read 56 bits you will be reading 8 bytes in 7-bit mode.
But you will also be reading 7 bytes in 8-bit mode.
So by reading 7 Ascii characters at a time out of your stream/file, you
should be able to re-chunk them into 8 characters by prepending a bit 0 on
the front of each 7-bit byte.
In a message dated 11/10/2010 4:55:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes:
This sounds like a job for a quick perl routine.
Read the file in byte by byte, and AND it with 127, then write it
out byte by byte to a new file.
George
No George this will not work.
In a message dated 11/10/2010 5:03:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes:
I understand the 7 bit method your talking about. But if you can
see the values in Vt100 term type, it's only stripping off the
8th bit? vs pushing the 8th bit to the front of the next byte?
In a message dated 11/10/2010 5:03:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes:
I understand the 7 bit method your talking about. But if you can
see the values in Vt100 term type, it's only stripping off the
8th bit? vs pushing the 8th bit to the front of the next byte?
In 1988 I believe, and then again in 1990 or so, Pick Systems published a
book called Pick Hits which listed every vendor and what they were...
vending.
I'm looking to obtain a copy of that book, by hook or crook.
Willing to pay :)
Will Johnson
In a message dated 10/26/2010 11:58:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
eric.rosenzw...@petco.com writes:
In testing, it's the INPUTIF statement that's utilizing the CPU, not the
timer calculation.
Is there a better, less CPU intensive way to do this?
Thanks in advance.
INPUTIF checks
In a message dated 10/21/2010 12:46:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes:
One reason for this is that many MV
developers have never actually created a full/complex database,
only small extensions to existing enviroments, themselves often
created by people who didn't
In a message dated 10/22/2010 6:16:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
dw...@tincat-group.com writes:
I decided the best of these was YesNoSQL, so on a whim I just acquired
yesnosql.com. If anyone wants yesnosql.org or .net, act fast because they
are still available -- hey, we could start a
I thought that the reasoning behind NoSQL wasn't to speed up access, but
that all aspects of gigantic databases cannot be made available to a given
user at a given moment.
So it's a kind of distributed database without a universal view of
real-time data.
In a message dated 10/19/2010 10:41:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes:
UV here
I open a file, then use SELECT filevarible then proceed to do a
LOOP/READNEXT/REPEAT to
scan through the file.
OPEN ,SOMEFILE TO F.TEST ELSE STOP
SELECT F.TEST
LOOP
READNEXT
In a message dated 10/19/2010 10:50:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes:
Psychic you are! Do you read palms as well?
What you need to do is ask the system these questions:
1) How many groups are in this file? and
2) What group number am I in right now.
The groups
Has anyone done a timing test to compare a SUBR which uses a common section
to store an opened file variable
vs a TRANS ?
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In a message dated 9/27/2010 9:07:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
simpson-u...@gerzio.ca writes:
The number of postings has drastically dropped over the past few weeks
down to virtually zero
Has the list been relegated the dust bin and I missed the notice ?
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In a message dated 9/20/2010 12:45:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jbut...@hampshire.edu writes:
Instead of giving me a nice hash result, I get binary output:
DIGEST err=0
OCONV res=ê¾]d°âynORÖз2ü
Blink.
Binary output
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In a message dated 8/3/2010 5:51:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes:
The mv.NET forum gets
no hits, in part because everyone gets their answers from their
sales/support people. The same goes for DesignBais, UO.NET,
QMClient, Viságe, FlashCONNECT, and many other
In a message dated 8/3/2010 6:47:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cwn...@comcast.net writes:
There's an MV.NET forum? News to me. Tell me how to access it and I will
definitely check it out.
A few years ago I believe it was announced. It's a Google Group here
Comparing the stability of UV with the instability of Windows, I think your
problem lies elsewhere.
By the way catalog pointers can disappear if someone (or someTHING) does a
Decatalog. I've seen cases where programmers write routines to decatalog
which works and then try to recatalog the
He is apparently either playing football or fishing.
http://www.adserve.co.uk/about/Profiles/h_bishop.html
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I thought we'd solved this problem. Can an educator please do a personal
visit with Haydon Bishop and assist him in compliance procedures?
Thanks
Will Comrade Johnson
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I know what you're saying, but just to make sure we're precise I'll add a
footnote.
The run-time machine doesn't have to find additional memory *each* time you add
to a dynamic array (as you said perhaps just imprecisely). Rather, your
workspace arrays have certain fixed sizes and it's only
Before y'all ask, Orbit Irrigantion is located in Bountiful, Utah 84011
I just know you're all gonna ask in like two seconds.
Will the faux mind reader Johnson
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Haydon Bishop and office each have six letters.
I suggest this is a coded message.
Will
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The reason I asked about what you're doing exactly Bill, is that it's not
strictly necessary to wake up a phantom every minute to decide if there is
anything to do. You can also write routines that poke the phantom to wakeup
right now.
Will
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I might have missed Bill why are you sleeping for a minute in a phantom?
What's it doing that it needs to wake up every minute?
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I second David's idea of using a READU also you can return exactly which
port/pid has the lock set, which might be helpful as well if the phantom
*shouldn't* be running!
I'd go a set further and have the phantom actually timestamp when it set
the READU lock.
I'm not sure we're ever going to see college courses offered for Pick,
however I learned about hashing and linked frames in a college course. It
wasn't a class in Pick just in Data Structures.
We just have to learn how to market pick as a hashed database using
continuously resizeable linked
Dan you can't do it because the records in Universe are not files at all,
not even logical files. They are just possible frame-discontinous streams
of bytes that *Universe* interprets in run-time as a connected record.
Nothing else is going to be able to do that, without re-writing the
Somewhere in the back of my mind is a little voice saying you can't
trademark already existing words
That might be wrong, but I'm sure there's a suit about it somewhere.
Anyone? Buehler?
In a message dated 3/28/2010 3:38:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
j...@jes.com writes:
Dick,
Are there are native implementations of a Pick system on Macs? Or are all
Mac connections just terminal emulators into a Windows/Unix system?
I know there is or used to be an emulator by Carnation that rode on a Mac.
But have all such implementations been to have it talk with a Pick system
Curt, why not setup a phantom process, that just wakes up every five
minutes or twenty minutes or whatever, and snapshots the activity? That would
*at
least* give you the opporunity of catching the beast in action without the
need to be woken up at 2:30 in the morning to see it first-hand.
I'd like to also suggest nSQL and mvSQL
Why not say SQL ? And then add n for nested or mv for multi-value
And we can just say this is our BRAND of SQL it's SQL with added
features.
In a message dated 3/24/2010 7:30:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ron_hutchi...@hotmail.com writes:
As
Maybe instead of waiting for the vendors to agree, we, the community should
come up with our own name for the environment. IIRC, multivalue was not
thought up by a vendor. Wasn't it our past editor of Spectrum who came up
with that name?
W.J.
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br...@brianleach.co.uk writes:
So suggestions welcomed.
I'm opining that we need a name that is NOT an existing word or acronym of
anything else. Something brand new and fresh and unique so no more false
positives.
Will
In a message dated 3/23/2010 10:41:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
br...@brianleach.co.uk writes:
1/ It's not the term MultiValue I have a problem with - that we should
continue to support since it already has a meaning and a presence, and one
worth building on. For one thing, MVDBMS is a nice
In a message dated 3/23/2010 11:18:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com writes:
I always use the term nested relational database. It establishes that it
is a relational database, which is reassuring. But nested differentiates
it and suggests additional
In a message dated 3/22/2010 10:41:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes:
If people in this community expressed serious interest in new
books and other education material for MV, we'd have them. Heck,
a windbag like me can cough up a few hundred pages in a weekend.
In a message dated 3/22/2010 11:09:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes:
think a Wintergate for Dummies
Accuterm Scripting for Dummies
The integrated help is helpful, but not really for someone trying to learn
it for the first time.
Will
In a message dated 3/22/2010 11:42:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes:
Quick note to anyone who says they'd like to publish HowTos and
other helpful info free to the community: that's what PickWiki
and the U2UG wiki are for. Write your material there, solicit
Donate to help support this doesn't work.
I tried it as well, and got one donation in several years.
However when I put up something unique, and only posted half of it, and then
said Okay for the last half you have to click here to pay
Then they payed.
Will Johnson
The Northern California Pick User's Group has been disbanded for many
years. How many people would be interested in face-to-face meetings
again? Or perhaps just forming an online group ? Maybe meet in
person once a quarter or something?
Will Johnson
In a message dated 3/3/2010 5:15:44 PM Pacific Standard Time,
3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes:
Side note: What's more interesting to me is how this is defined
emphatically as a multidimensional database management system
(MDBMS), and this page
Sorry Ross if you can't comprehend that people in the field are... in the
field.
Too much big city living perhaps :)
When I say in the field, I mean actually standing in a field.
We aren't yet to the point of having cell towers in every square mile of the
country no wifi yet in
In a message dated 2/21/2010 5:42:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
adrian.ha...@itvision.com.au writes:
Keeping a saved list does not guarantee that all the records in that list
are still valid. New records could of been created that should be included
and old records may be deleted that
I have a new client who after talking to in-depth, actually wants something
completely different from what I first thought! Isn't that typical?
At any rate, I'm interested in a system, in which I can write in Pick
BASIC, and yet will throw up all it's results in a browser but everything will
Maverick could work but it HAS to hide the command level completely from
the user. The user should have no way to know that they are running Pick.
Their two installs seem to be targeted at developers, I don't see an option
to hide the system or prevent code changes. I mean I can't open
In a message dated 2/18/2010 7:44:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bi...@hkmetalcraft.com writes:
Thanks to Charlie, Jeff, John and especially Will. I expect to punt and
reboot the box later today.
It is valuable that Will is back on the list after perhaps a one year
hiatus.
Yes like Dolly
In a message dated 2/18/2010 10:27:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cla...@hme.com writes:
You can sort first and then SAMPLE, too.
Caryl has the idea here if you really want the Last 100.
You can Sort BY-DSND which means by descending so if you want the last
alphabetically or the last by ID or
No that reply wasn't paying attention to the point that we were *sorting*
the list.
True if you simply Sample the list, they are in random hashed order. But
that is not true is the list comes into your program sorted by you execute a
sort as the first statement in your program.
No you do not
Bill from your stat report, it's doubtful that this is your problem. Your
VOC appears to be more or less sized fine.
Even were it very badly sized, one second seems long.
I would consider that something in your system is eating CPU like a wild
hog.
That's more likely to be the culprit.
Will
Does anybody know what's up with a job in Oakland to convert Universe ?
I've tried to respond to the ad but I get no response at all from the
placement companies handling it. Maybe someone knows a way to go directly to
whoever is in charge at the company itself.
Will Johnson
I believe what he wants, is some kind of human-readable output of the
actual data within the record.
Like
Record 12345
Name: John Smith
Birthdate: 01/01/1925
Address: 123 Main Street
and so on. Like the List-Item command.
Will
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baker.hug...@mouser.com writes:
_http://109.104.64.69/db/dbweb.asp_ (http://109.104.64.69/db/dbweb.asp)
An exposed IP address ?
Why ?
Will Johnson
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Evan, as others have said, you don't really want *all* the columns.
Some of what you're here calling columns are actually calculations. So for
example, in your database you might have a field that is BirthDate, and a
column name that actually says BirthDate as well (if you're lucky!). But
In a message dated 9/20/2005 1:16:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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I tried to get my local UG to see if anyone was interested in an
install/talk regarding UV PE, and didn't get much response (actually
no response :( ).
I think once more of the public were to use PE for
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Version 7.13 of DOWNLOAD is available from:
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Is this freeware?
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Hi,
After I login to Unidata, is there a way to know who is logged in and
which account?
Thanks,
Savita Chauhan
Others have answered your question if you want to know:
1) Who am *I* and 2) Where am *I*
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btw named common isn't quite safe either -
it's possible that another routine uses the same name
for it's common ...
What you need is a BASIC pre-compiler, and post-compiler to check for this
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So, now I wonder WHY - what is it about ZoneAlarm and/or other firewall
software
that might cause this degredation in performance of DC?
I suggest that certain software that is supposed to be looking
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7 Looking for self motivated individuals who work well in a
small team environment.
7 Ability to communicate well with user and vendor communities.
Ability to understand what words should
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As Mats asks, how do they implement a persistent variable?
Persistent using named common is only an issue if you are trying to persist
for the duration of a LOGIN session.
If your concern is only to
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Named (aka labelled) common has been common on aps with Pr1me roots for
about two and a half DECADES; e.g., a quarter of a CENTURY; e.g.,
longer than a few of our list members have been ALIVE. Since at
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As mentioned earlier, If I were to go the COMMON route, I would have one
COMMON block in an INCLUDE and register everything there and globally
compile as necessary. Perhaps this is the beginning of NAMED
In a message dated 8/26/2005 1:55:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually the only reason I got involved was because someone said it
couldn't be done using Accuterm. I stuck my neck out to say it probably
could and then felt that I had to justify my opinion.
I'm
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