On 09/09/11 20:53, Wjhonson wrote:
By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned
Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what
Proc was. Never heard of it.
That could easily be true of any BASIC programmer who learnt on
could be someone who learned on unidata too. unidata supports proc, but there
doesn't appear to be a manual for it (If anyone has one, can I get a copy?). If
you were doing new development on unidata, you may easily never have seen a
proc.
On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Wols Lists wrote:
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, 2011 9:33 PM
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PVW is me Phil Walker
DSM might be David Meeks
WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
JC Jesus Christ ;-)
Others cannot remember
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PVW is me Phil Walker
DSM might be David Meeks
WLC is probably Wendy Cleary
JC Jesus Christ ;-)
Others cannot remember
I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
He left a rather hefty manual.
It was updated after his last visit.
On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:
I guess he must be freelance.
Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen:
That JC programmer must work in a lot of
I heard he was the first to use RTFM!.
Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com 9/9/2011 10:07 AM
I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
He left a rather hefty manual.
It was updated after his last visit.
On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:
I guess he must be
09, 2011 11:07 AM
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I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe.
He left a rather hefty manual.
It was updated after his last visit.
On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote:
I guess he must be freelance.
Am 09.09.2011 15:21
If he used a GOTO, he got off easy...
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Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:09:44 -0500
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He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment
Was quite severe at the time
Read The Father's Manual?
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I heard he was the first to use
Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He
must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of
Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe
must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use
:)
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Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked
AMEN
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Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked
See added text at the end (...)
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Wow, what a Revelation
, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM
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Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He
must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of
Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe
Wolthuis
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Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He
must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of
Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise
: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM
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Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling
in some hardware would give us more terrific words.
cheers! --dawn
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Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products
a slow Friday!
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Oh good catch -- I was using only words
Not only did he use the first Go To, but also the first Return To
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That latest visit I mentioned was all about addressing the GOTO problem.
The updated manual has the vendor-authorized method of avoiding GOTOs.
On 9/9/2011 10:09 AM, George Gallen wrote:
He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment
Was quite severe at the time..
Friday!
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Oh good catch -- I was using only words
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You are right, I think, but what was I thinking? They are in yellow boxes in
y diagram, so I seem not to have normalized my data. Hmmm. I was being so
nal
mvEnterprise from mvBase until
you're all folded into a single company right?
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he Sequel was followed by the Super Sequel which
into a single company right?
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he Sequel was followed by the Super Sequel which tested, at the time, the
oundary of moving
By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned
Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what
Proc was. Never heard of it.
It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)
Gotta luv correlatives!
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By the way, I today
Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did
not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world. Even
now I have not purposely ever looked at a proc. --dawn
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
By the way, I today, for
You haven't missed much. Be thankful you have never had to look at a PROC.
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.comwrote:
Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did
not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world.
Ah, but how many of them can still write PQ procs ;-)
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Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code?
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You haven't
George
Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code?
I thought it was short for Proctology.
Charles Shaffer
Senior Analyst
NTN-Bower Corporation
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It's no coincidence that proctology starts with PROC ;-)
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I really don't know what you guys are complaining about.
My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written
entirely in RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one)
Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL.
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George
Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code?
I thought it was short for Proctology.
Charles Shaffer
Senior Analyst
NTN-Bower Corporation
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From: Wjhonson
I mean there's no reason to try to distinguish
mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into
a single company right?
mvEnterprise is a Unix-based platform derived from Sequoia.
vBase
;-)
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By the way, I today, for the first time in my
This explains a lot, my friend! ;^)
On 09-09-2011 3:29 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
I really don't know what you guys are complaining about.
My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written
entirely in RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one)
Proc is like eating cake
Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems.
They heavily modified it. I think they did, or at least TRIED to market
something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub
license scheme to other vendors.
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Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products
I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled
mvEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word. --dawn
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Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems.
They heavily modified it. I
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I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled
vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word. --dawn
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Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems
NTN-Bower Corporation
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I really don't know what you guys
: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:53 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a
seasoned
Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not
know what
Proc was. Never heard
.
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Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm
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I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled
vEnterprise into the border
Extend it into the 2000s!
That's what's missing. The great mergers
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Right, it does not have Sequoia
mergers
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Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows
nto TigerLogic
Both Sequoia and Stratus licensed Pick OA to sell on their fault-tolerant
systems and ran with it in different directions. Sequoia ran a little farther
:) Sequoia ran their pick on top of their proprietary TOPIX operating system
and Stratus ran theirs on top of their VOS os. Sequoia eventually
mvEnterprise doesn't require any support :) It just runs and runs.
On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote:
From: Wjhonson
I mean there's no reason to try to distinguish
mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into
a single company right?
mvEnterprise is a Unix-based
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I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled
vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word. --dawn
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Here
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mvEnterprise doesn't require any support :) It just runs and runs.
On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote:
From: Wjhonson
I mean there's no reason to try to distinguish
mvEnterprise from
From: Wjhonson
http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/...
That page misses the important facts that RPL is still actively
sold, maintained, and used today in active application
development.
RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one)
For historical reference, that was RPL+ licensed by
In my copy of Acct.Stat.B the following programmer initials dating from 1992 to
2000
PVW, WLC, AGM, JC, DJD, PEJ, SAP, DSM, LKS
anyone have long names ?
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In my copy of Acct.Stat.B the following programmer initials dating from 1992
to 2000
PVW, WLC, AGM, JC, DJD, PEJ, SAP, DSM, LKS
anyone have long names
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