Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1.22 Index Issue

2011-09-09 Thread Mecki Foerthmann
You may have a problem with leading zeroes. Are there by any chance 2 records with 9 in Record120,2? On 09/09/2011 04:08, Kevin King wrote: What can I get you Wally? We did a CREATE.INDEX WO SHOP.CODE NO.NULLS followed by BUILD.INDEX WO SHOP.CODE. The index seems to work fine immediately

Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1.22 Index Issue

2011-09-09 Thread Wally Terhune
Kevin: The things you need to review: 1) LIST.INDEX WO ALL DETAIL - to examine the index definitions and details of keys in the file 2) From the shell, without the file being updated: guide_ndx -x3,all WO Review the output file GUIDE_XERROR.LIS for physical or logical corruption 3) UDT.OPTIONS

Re: [U2] Move UniVerse Data from 32 bit server to 64 bit server

2011-09-09 Thread John Thompson
There is also this link: It should tell you which version is for which OS. https://u2tc.rocketsoftware.com/matrix.asp?noitems=yes On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Doug Averch dave...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kathleene: I'm not to thrilled using any of the uvtools since they are kind of slow and

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread George Gallen
That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08,

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Glenn Sallis
I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Charles Stevenson
I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Robert Porter
I heard he was the first to use RTFM!. Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com 9/9/2011 10:07 AM I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread George Gallen
He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment Was quite severe at the time.. (borderline humor) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Friday, September

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Dan Fitzgerald
If he used a GOTO, he got off easy... From: ggal...@wyanokegroup.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:09:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment Was quite severe at the time..

[U2] DataVu Query and other delights

2011-09-09 Thread Jeff Schasny
Just wanted to let everyone know that thanks to Mike Rajkowski and Dan McGrath I've been able to get a query executed in DataVu. It apparently does not like a D type dictionary item pointing to attribute 0 other than @ID. --

[U2] ENCRYPT in Universe

2011-09-09 Thread John Thompson
I am exploring the Universe data encryption features... Its my first try at this really. I have decent understanding off ssh and ssl, just not the U2 stuff. My questions are... Where is a safe place to store the key (as referred to in the docs) that the function needs to do encrypting and

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Bob Woodward
Read The Father's Manual? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:09 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers I heard he was the first to use

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread George Gallen
:) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Bob Woodward
AMEN -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:01 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread George Gallen
See added text at the end (...) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Wow, what a Revelation!

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Israel, John R.
That was pretty good, Dawn! John Israel Senior Programmer/Analyst Dayton Superior Corporation 1125 Byers Road Miamisburg, OH  45342 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday,

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling in some hardware would give us more terrific words, Prime (Pr1me) being near and dear to my heart. Other words from the Family Tree poster are Climax, GIRLS, ... so I can see this deteriorating if we expand the VOC (rhymes

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread George Gallen
I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also software? Nice little machine... I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent:

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread John Thompson
Slow or tired of striving, one of the two... On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:28 PM, George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.comwrote: I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also software? Nice little machine... I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday! -Original

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Charlie Noah
Wasn't Spirit the one with a natural language query processor? I remember a friend who was testing natural language and asked What are the wages of sin?, to which the computer promptly responded $46.50 per hour. It turns out there was an employee named John Sinn who earned, you guessed it,

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Wjhonson
Not only did he use the first Go To, but also the first Return To ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Charles Stevenson
That latest visit I mentioned was all about addressing the GOTO problem. The updated manual has the vendor-authorized method of avoiding GOTOs. On 9/9/2011 10:09 AM, George Gallen wrote: He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment Was quite severe at the time..

Re: [U2] ENCRYPT in Universe

2011-09-09 Thread John Thompson
I just found the document called security in the universe docs... I guess I better set about reading that. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:43 AM, John Thompson jthompson...@gmail.comwrote: I am exploring the Universe data encryption features... Its my first try at this really. I have decent

Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1.22 Index Issue

2011-09-09 Thread Kevin King
Thanks Wally. In this situation we suspect that the index was rebuilt while some users had the file open (via SB+ cached file buffers) and those users were the ones entering transactions that didn't get updated into the index. We logged everyone off last night and rebuilt the index and so far

Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1.22 Index Issue

2011-09-09 Thread Wally Terhune
If a user has a file open and there is no index created on the file, if another user creates an index on the file - the first user will not know that an index has been created (and the bit in the primary file header updated to indicate that - the number of indexes on the file). So updates to

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
You are right, I think, but what was I thinking? They are in yellow boxes in my diagram, so I seem not to have normalized my data. Hmmm. I was being so anal at the time. Does anyone know if the yellow boxes in the Reality stream here were what folks at Microdata called the software or were just

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Wjhonson
The Sequel was followed by the Super Sequel which tested, at the time, the boundary of moving from say 96 users up to 192 users. The Spirit was something like the striped down version of the Sequel for those who didn't want or need or couldn't afford the Sequel. It wasn't a viable option for

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Wjhonson
By the way, the Sequoia system wasn't quite called mvEnterprise quite so early as you're showing (seems to be 1995 ish). It was still being called just Sequoia. I'm wondering if the odd name-change didn't occur until the company collapsed ? I mean there's no reason to try to distinguish

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Good questions Will. When I moved 8 years ago, I had one of these posters with all of the very detailed tidbits that people gave me to correct it. I lost that in the move and haven't dived back into it -- too many projects going! Yes, I think I recall thinking that DG was later but that there was

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Wjhonson
By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;)

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread George Gallen
Gotta luv correlatives! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 3:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers By the way, I today,

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world. Even now I have not purposely ever looked at a proc. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: By the way, I today, for

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread John Thompson
You haven't missed much. Be thankful you have never had to look at a PROC. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.comwrote: Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world.

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Larry Hiscock
Ah, but how many of them can still write PQ procs ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread George Gallen
Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers You haven't

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Charles_Shaffer
George Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code? I thought it was short for Proctology. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Larry Hiscock
It's no coincidence that proctology starts with PROC ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:17 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Wjhonson
I really don't know what you guys are complaining about. My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written entirely in RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one) Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL.

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread George Gallen
The simple stuff wasn't badit was when you had to involve the correlatives where It started to get cryptic. I started with PQN level. I equated Procs to MSDOS batch files. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Wjhonson
That's right Tony, but my point was only that it was not *called* mvEnterprise in the mid 90s like Dawn's chart would imply. (Where it's just called mvEnterprise with no predecessor name.) -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Charlie Noah
I can still read and write both PQ and PQN (OK, I'm old). In eons past it was possible on Microdata to write an entire database app, with file reads and writes - not that I would want to (I'm cantankerous, not masochistic, suicidal or stupid). I wouldn't even want to convert one to Basic

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Charlie Noah
This explains a lot, my friend! ;^) On 09-09-2011 3:29 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I really don't know what you guys are complaining about. My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written entirely in RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one) Proc is like eating cake

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Wjhonson
Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems. They heavily modified it. I think they did, or at least TRIED to market something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub license scheme to other vendors. ___

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Love it -- I could have used this story last year, but I'm guessing there will be another occasion. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Charlie Noah cwn...@comcast.net wrote: Wasn't Spirit the one with a natural language query processor? I remember a friend who was testing natural

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled mvEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems. They heavily modified it. I

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Wjhonson
I just don't think Sequoia ever called it mvEnterprise That was my point :) That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta. -Original Message- From: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm Subject:

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Charles_Shaffer
I really don't know what you guys are complaining about. My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written entirely in RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one) Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL. My first PICK environment used RPL on a Vax with the add-in

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Glenn Sallis
I started out with Reality and remember the first training courses well. During the four day slog when the trainer reached the section on PROC he just said PQN, thats all you need to know about proc and we moved onto the next topic! Still I can understand and write PROC, it is a necessity

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows into TigerLogic. There was a ton of information to try to capture and there was likely a better way to show this. Thanks for any tips on anything either inaccurate or not clear. This could obviously be much better and is now

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Wjhonson
Extend it into the 2000s! That's what's missing. The great mergers -Original Message- From: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Right, it does not have Sequoia

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Yeah man, of course. I'm working a few projects, moving slower than molasses, happy to take in info for an update but it it not yet to top of priorities. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Extend it into the 2000s! That's what's missing. The great

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Ed Clark
Both Sequoia and Stratus licensed Pick OA to sell on their fault-tolerant systems and ran with it in different directions. Sequoia ran a little farther :) Sequoia ran their pick on top of their proprietary TOPIX operating system and Stratus ran theirs on top of their VOS os. Sequoia eventually

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Ed Clark
mvEnterprise doesn't require any support :) It just runs and runs. On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote: From: Wjhonson I mean there's no reason to try to distinguish mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into a single company right? mvEnterprise is a Unix-based

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Ed Clark
yes Include Cache. And Stratus too please, though I think I may have been one of only 5 or 6 people who actually used it. On Sep 9, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Dawn Wolthuis wrote: Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows into TigerLogic. There was a ton of

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Wjhonson
And then at some point, when a part fails, it tries to call Sequoia to send a tech to fix itself. It doesn't know how to handle the message The phone number you've reached has been disconnected All sad face. -Original Message- From: Ed Clark u...@edclark.net To: U2 Users List

Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1.22 Index Issue

2011-09-09 Thread Kevin King
Am I understanding you correctly Wally that if an index becomes corrupted for any reason the index is to be deleted, then recreated, and THEN rebuilt? And in a related question, am I understanding you to say that an index cannot (should not) be rebuilt without being deleted and recreated?

Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1.22 Index Issue

2011-09-09 Thread Wally Terhune
NO. I was mostly trying to point out that you need to be specific about what operations you have done regarding index refreshing. 'rebuild' is unspecific. For logical integrity issues - which generally occur because folks create indexes that depend on another file to get the virtual field index

Re: [U2] ENCRYPT in Universe

2011-09-09 Thread John Hester
The key can be any text string you want and it's completely up to you how you store it. I would use a long, random mix of characters. The most secure place to store it would probably be on removable media that has to be inserted for the application to work, but that's probably overly

Re: [U2] Ardent programmers

2011-09-09 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: Wjhonson http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/... That page misses the important facts that RPL is still actively sold, maintained, and used today in active application development. RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one) For historical reference, that was RPL+ licensed by