Re: [U2] Signal to noise, was DataFlo

[Symeon Breen]

And it is full of spelling mistakes   :)


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From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: 11 October 2011 18:59
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Signal to noise, was DataFlo


Look at the ratio of useful content to boiler plate in that message!
By the way, as a non-comical aside, do those services/sites like nabble
actually copy messages off this list?  Or do they just preserve messages
already going through their queue... or does that make no sense.

Also when a message goes to a public list, is the "intended recipient"
everyone in the world?
So that, in order to violate this monster clause you'd have to be visiting
from Orion?








-Original Message-
From: Buss, Troy (Logitek Systems) (Logitek Systems)

To: U2 Users List 
Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [U2] DataFlo


Dataflo, Yes. Epicor also maintains a nice user to user list here:  
ataflo-it-...@listserv.epicor.com
Good group of folks that help each other out if you have specific questions.
Did you have a specific question regarding the app or just a roll call?
:---)

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Re: [U2] PHB was Signal to noise, was DataFlo

[Charlie Noah]

Pointy-haired boss from Dilbert. Surely you have worked for him (or her) 
before! ;^)


Charlie Noah

On 10-11-2011 1:46 PM, Wjhonson wrote:



"Therefore it's OBVIOUSLY the result of a PHB committee "

I googled for PHB as I didn't understand the reference
http://www.google.com/search?q=phb+committee&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=

I like "Professional Hygiene Brushware"... I have no idea to what that might 
even refer, but it certainly has a nice ring to it.
Or perhaps an absense of rings if properly utilized.





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Re: [U2] PHB was Signal to noise, was DataFlo

[Wjhonson]

"Therefore it's OBVIOUSLY the result of a PHB committee "

I googled for PHB as I didn't understand the reference
http://www.google.com/search?q=phb+committee&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=

I like "Professional Hygiene Brushware"... I have no idea to what that might 
even refer, but it certainly has a nice ring to it.
Or perhaps an absense of rings if properly utilized.



-Original Message-
From: Allen E. Elwood 
To: 'U2 Users List' 
Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 11:40 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Signal to noise, was DataFlo



Contract law requires voluntary signatures of both parties, so this can't be
 contract and is therefore not legally binding.  Ergo, a complete waste of
andwidth since you cannot create a contract by emailing something to
omeone in error.
Also the bill of rights states that you cannot be compelled to self
ncriminate.  And therefore this is not binding to anyone who was purposely
stealing' this email.  Ergo, a complete waste of bandwidth.
Therefore this appears to be a threat of legal harassment should someone not
comply' with the unrealistic demand being made upon the unintended
ecipient and comes across as heavy handed, arrogant and slightly
elusional.
Therefore it's OBVIOUSLY the result of a PHB committee 


ven though you don't know us, we can boss you around and tell you to do
hings which require you to spend some time out of your day fulfilling our
idiculous request to inform us if we screwed up.  So if you get this
essage in error, we want you to a) wash all of our cars, b) do 20 hours of
ommunity service, c) call though our gauntlet of time wasting bureaucrats
n a vain attempt to inform us of our screw up, d) pay an extra 3% in taxes,
nd e) a babies arm holding an apple (which doesn't mean anything but
omeone in the committee just wanted to put that in there)
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mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
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o: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
ubject: Re: [U2] Signal to noise, was DataFlo

ook at the ratio of useful content to boiler plate in that message!
y the way, as a non-comical aside, do those services/sites like nabble
ctually copy messages off this list?  Or do they just preserve messages
lready going through their queue... or does that make no sense.
Also when a message goes to a public list, is the "intended recipient"
veryone in the world?
o that, in order to violate this monster clause you'd have to be visiting
rom Orion?




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rom: Buss, Troy (Logitek Systems) (Logitek Systems)
troy.b...@nordsonasymtek.com>
o: U2 Users List 
ent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:43 am
ubject: Re: [U2] DataFlo

ataflo, Yes. Epicor also maintains a nice user to user list here:  
taflo-it-...@listserv.epicor.com
ood group of folks that help each other out if you have specific questions.
id you have a specific question regarding the app or just a roll call?
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Re: [U2] Signal to noise, was DataFlo

[Allen E. Elwood]

Contract law requires voluntary signatures of both parties, so this can't be
a contract and is therefore not legally binding.  Ergo, a complete waste of
bandwidth since you cannot create a contract by emailing something to
someone in error.

Also the bill of rights states that you cannot be compelled to self
incriminate.  And therefore this is not binding to anyone who was purposely
'stealing' this email.  Ergo, a complete waste of bandwidth.

Therefore this appears to be a threat of legal harassment should someone not
'comply' with the unrealistic demand being made upon the unintended
recipient and comes across as heavy handed, arrogant and slightly
delusional.

Therefore it's OBVIOUSLY the result of a PHB committee 


_
Even though you don't know us, we can boss you around and tell you to do
things which require you to spend some time out of your day fulfilling our
ridiculous request to inform us if we screwed up.  So if you get this
message in error, we want you to a) wash all of our cars, b) do 20 hours of
community service, c) call though our gauntlet of time wasting bureaucrats
in a vain attempt to inform us of our screw up, d) pay an extra 3% in taxes,
and e) a babies arm holding an apple (which doesn't mean anything but
someone in the committee just wanted to put that in there)

_


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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:59 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Signal to noise, was DataFlo


Look at the ratio of useful content to boiler plate in that message!
By the way, as a non-comical aside, do those services/sites like nabble
actually copy messages off this list?  Or do they just preserve messages
already going through their queue... or does that make no sense.

Also when a message goes to a public list, is the "intended recipient"
everyone in the world?
So that, in order to violate this monster clause you'd have to be visiting
from Orion?








-Original Message-
From: Buss, Troy (Logitek Systems) (Logitek Systems)

To: U2 Users List 
Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [U2] DataFlo


Dataflo, Yes. Epicor also maintains a nice user to user list here:  
ataflo-it-...@listserv.epicor.com
Good group of folks that help each other out if you have specific questions.
Did you have a specific question regarding the app or just a roll call?
:---)

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Re: [U2] Signal to noise, was DataFlo

[Wjhonson]

Look at the ratio of useful content to boiler plate in that message!
By the way, as a non-comical aside, do those services/sites like nabble 
actually copy messages off this list?  Or do they just preserve messages 
already going through their queue... or does that make no sense.

Also when a message goes to a public list, is the "intended recipient" everyone 
in the world?
So that, in order to violate this monster clause you'd have to be visiting from 
Orion?








-Original Message-
From: Buss, Troy (Logitek Systems) (Logitek Systems) 

To: U2 Users List 
Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [U2] DataFlo


Dataflo, Yes. Epicor also maintains a nice user to user list here:  
ataflo-it-...@listserv.epicor.com
Good group of folks that help each other out if you have specific questions.
Did you have a specific question regarding the app or just a roll call?   :---)
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Re: [U2] DataFlo

[Buss, Troy (Logitek Systems)]

Dataflo, Yes. Epicor also maintains a nice user to user list here:  
dataflo-it-...@listserv.epicor.com

Good group of folks that help each other out if you have specific questions.

Did you have a specific question regarding the app or just a roll call?   :---)

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Re: [U2] DataFlo

[Allen E. Elwood]

And Marc is one of the true DataFlo experts I've met! 

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Rutherford, Marc
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:02 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] DataFlo

AB runs Dataflo -18 years and going strong.

Marc Rutherford
Principal Programmer Analyst
Advanced Bionics LLC
661) 362 1754

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Varney
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:31 AM
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Subject: [U2] DataFlo

Are there any DataFlo users out there?


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Re: [U2] PE72 Unidata will not start

[Colin Alfke]

Check your logs under @udtbin - especially smm.log and smm.errlog (also
double check them in @udtbin\saved_logs). There may be some clues in there.
With licensed versions you need to restart everything after applying the
license (reboot recommended) - but I'm not sure how the PE version deals
with that.

Double check with confprod.exe (in @udtbin) to make sure the license is
correct and authorized.

hth
Colin Alfke
Calgary, Canada

-Original Message-
From: Tom Gray

Daniel McGrath writes:

> 
> Okay, first, don't worried about RFS not being licensed. That is
additional 
functionality that doesn't
> come with the Personal Edition.
> 
> Since you are getting Start SMM first, you probably have not started the 
UniData engine. With this, you
> don't want to actually start SMM by itself directly. All you need to do is

run 'startud' to start the UniData
> engine and it should all be fine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dan McGrath
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Gray
> 
> Installed unidata PE7.2.7, tryimg to start unidata, udt.exe, receive the 
> > following messages:
> >
> > RFS is not licensed. SB_FLAG is turned off.  Start SMM first!
> 
> I have looked at the License and it hasn't expired this is a recient
download 
I tried starting the SMM from the
> command prompt 
> 
> 
> I went to the Bin directory and ran startud 
it echoed back with "It could not start Unidata Service".


The following services are running:
Uni RPC Service
Uni Objectcall
Unidata Telnet Service
Unidata Terminal Service



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Re: [U2] Signature capture solution

[Bobby Worley]

Thanks to Tony G. and Bob R. for your quick responses.We will be in
touch! 




Bobby D. Worley
IT Applications Developer
Coburn Supply Company
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Re: [U2] PE72 Unidata will not start

[Tom Gray]

Daniel McGrath  rocketsoftware.com> writes:

> 
> Okay, first, don't worried about RFS not being licensed. That is additional 
functionality that doesn't
> come with the Personal Edition.
> 
> Since you are getting Start SMM first, you probably have not started the 
UniData engine. With this, you
> don't want to actually start SMM by itself directly. All you need to do is 
run 'startud' to start the UniData
> engine and it should all be fine.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dan McGrath
> U2 Product Manager
> Rocket Software
> 4600 S. Ulster Street **Suite 1100 **Denver, CO 80237 * USA
> Tel: +1.720.475.8098 * Fax: +1.617.630.7392
> Email: dmcgrath  rs.com 
> Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-bounces  listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-bounces  
listserver.u2ug.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom Gray
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 2:24 PM
> To: u2-users  listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: [U2] PE72 Unidata will not start
> 
> Installed unidata PE7.2.7, tryimg to start unidata, udt.exe, receive the 
> > following messages:
> >
> > RFS is not licensed. SB_FLAG is turned off.  Start SMM first!
> 
> I have looked at the License and it hasn't expired this is a recient download 
I tried starting the SMM from the
> command prompt 
> 
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The following services are running:
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Uni Objectcall
Unidata Telnet Service
Unidata Terminal Service





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Re: [U2] DataFlo

[Rutherford, Marc]

AB runs Dataflo -18 years and going strong.

Marc Rutherford
Principal Programmer Analyst
Advanced Bionics LLC
661) 362 1754

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Varney
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:31 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: [U2] DataFlo

Are there any DataFlo users out there?


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Re: [U2] DataFlo

[Holt, Jake]

We do as well.

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Gwen Buck
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:37 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] DataFlo

We use DataFlo.

Gwen Buck
Gaska Tape Inc.

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Varney
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:31 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: [U2] DataFlo

Are there any DataFlo users out there?


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Re: [U2] Universe File Issue

[Dan Fitzgerald]

Actually, the distributed file option is a good one, if you can't go to 64 
bits. You create a few files (say, 3), then build the file using DEFINE.DF. 
 
But in terms of recovering this file, not without losing some records, unless 
you get very lucky. You can use UV to copy the file, and when you hit the 
broken part, try to use fixtool to (first) rebuild the forward and/or backward 
link, or (second) truncate the group. One trick that might work is to write a 
basic program that sequentially processes the file, writing a record to a new 
file, then deleting that record from the original (make a backup first). This 
will shrink the file as you go. You'll still have at least one broken 
flink/blink somewhere.
 

> From: tewhitm...@ratex.com
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:01:56 -0400
> Subject: Re: [U2] Universe File Issue
> 
> Hi John,
> You do have several options, depending on your company's needs.
> 1) purge
> 2) convert the file to 64 bit so it can grow over 2 gigs (modify uvconfig 
> 64BIT_FILES parameter and then resize the file with the "64BIT" option. (see 
> UniVerse User Reference and Administering UniVerse documents from Rocket)
> 3) convert to a multi-part file. This allows you to break up a file based on 
> an i-descriptor, but I couldn't find details during my quick search. It would 
> be the most complicated to implement of the three, if it hasn't been 
> deprecated by Rocket.
> 
> Tom
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Varney
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:29 AM
> To: 'U2 Users List'
> Subject: [U2] Universe File Issue
> 
> I inherited a system running UniVerse over windows 2003 Server.
> 
> I have a history file that seems corrupt. It's just over 2 gigs in size (The 
> problem I believe) and fixfile and uvfixfile won't work on it.
> 
> I'm thinking the size of the file needs to shrink a bit before I can do 
> anything with it. Thoughts?
> 
> John Varney
> Integra Life Sciences
> 
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Re: [U2] Universe File Issue

[Tom Whitmore]

Hi John,
You do have several options, depending on your company's needs.
1) purge
2) convert the file to 64 bit so it can grow over 2 gigs (modify uvconfig 
64BIT_FILES parameter and then resize the file with the "64BIT" option.  (see 
UniVerse User Reference and Administering UniVerse documents from Rocket)
3) convert to a multi-part file.  This allows you to break up a file based on 
an i-descriptor, but I couldn't find details during my quick search.  It would 
be the most complicated to implement of the three, if it hasn't been deprecated 
by Rocket.

Tom

-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Varney
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:29 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: [U2] Universe File Issue

I inherited a system running UniVerse over windows 2003 Server.

I have a history file that seems corrupt. It's just over 2 gigs in size (The 
problem I believe) and fixfile and uvfixfile won't work on it.

I'm thinking the size of the file needs to shrink a bit before I can do 
anything with it. Thoughts?

John Varney
Integra Life Sciences


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Re: [U2] Universe File Issue

[John Thompson]

Depends on the Universe version you have as well.  I think versions
9.x supported 64 bit files.  I don't have the friendly manual on me at
the moment.

On 10/11/11, Augusto Alonso  wrote:
> I guess you have a 32bit file, so that you can't go over 2 Gb.
> You should try RESIZE FILE x  x  x 64BIT
> Regards
> --
> Augusto Alonso
>
> 2011/10/11 John Varney 
>
>> I inherited a system running UniVerse over windows 2003 Server.
>>
>> I have a history file that seems corrupt. It's just over 2 gigs in size
>> (The
>> problem I believe) and fixfile and uvfixfile won't work on it.
>>
>> I'm thinking the size of the file needs to shrink a bit before I can do
>> anything with it. Thoughts?
>>
>> John Varney
>> Integra Life Sciences
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
>> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brett Callacher
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:25 AM
>> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>> Subject: Re: [U2] The math just doesn't work.
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> I think you would need to set Wide Zero to something like the UV default
>> (2.91 * 10^-11) to do a comparative test.
>>
>> Thanks for checking anyway.
>>
>> Brett
>>
>> "Bill Haskett"  wrote in message
>> news:<4e933047.6050...@advantos.net>...
>> > Brett:
>> >
>> > When I run the following code on UD v7.2.7, it works fine.
>> >
>> > *
>> > ** Test program
>> > EXECUTE \SET.WIDEZERO 0.01\
>> > *
>> > NUL = ''
>> > CM = ','
>> > A = -409071.8775: CM: 475000: CM: -652413: CM: 652413: CM: -475000: CM:
>> > 409071.8775
>> > *
>> > TEST.VMC = 1
>> > TEST.TOTAL = 0
>> > *
>> > LOOP UNTIL FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC) = NUL DO
>> > TEST.TOTAL += FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC)
>> > TEST.VMC += 1
>> > REPEAT
>> > *
>> > IF TEST.TOTAL = 0 THEN
>> > PRINT 'OK'
>> > END ELSE
>> > PRINT TEST.TOTAL, (TEST.TOTAL = 0), TEST.TOTAL - 0,
>> > (OCONV(TEST.TOTAL, 'MD0') = 0)
>> > END
>> >
>> > *2 Dev (0)-> RUN BP BILL
>> > OK*
>> >
>> > HTH,
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> > 
>> > - Original Message -
>> > *From:* bre...@gpmdev.co.uk
>> > *To:* u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org 
>> > *Date:* 10/10/2011 1:16 AM
>> > *Subject:* Re: [U2] The math just doesn't work.
>> > > I also thought: "great explanation" and nodded sagely when I read
>> > > this.
>> However, consider this code:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >NUL = ''
>> > >
>> > >CM = ','
>> > >
>> > >A = -409071.8775: CM: 475000: CM: -652413: CM: 652413: CM:
>> -475000: CM: 409071.8775
>> > >
>> > > *
>> > >
>> > > *
>> > >
>> > >TEST.VMC = 1
>> > >
>> > >TEST.TOTAL = 0
>> > >
>> > > *
>> > >
>> > >LOOP UNTIL FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC) = NUL DO
>> > >
>> > >   TEST.TOTAL += FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC)
>> > >
>> > >   TEST.VMC += 1
>> > >
>> > >REPEAT
>> > >
>> > > *
>> > >
>> > >IF TEST.TOTAL = 0 THEN
>> > >
>> > >   PRINT 'OK'
>> > >
>> > >END ELSE
>> > >
>> > >   PRINT TEST.TOTAL, (TEST.TOTAL = 0), TEST.TOTAL - 0,
>> (OCONV(TEST.TOTAL, 'MD0') = 0)
>> > >
>> > >END
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Running this on our Universe system 11.1.1 produces:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 0 0 0 1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So, in other words zero is the total result in TEST.TOTAL but this
>> > > does
>> not equate to zero.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Now I know I can get round this by rounding the answer but am not sure
>> why I should have to.  Any ideas?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Brett
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "Martin
>> Phillips"> martinphill...@ladybridge.com
>> >>  wrote in message
>> news:<2636297EDC484501AD1A5AC277EE76A7@lbs8
>> > 77EE76A7@lbs8>>...
>> > >
>> > >> Hi George,
>> > >> As a general rule in programming, comparison of floating point values
>> > >> for equality should be avoided. This is because, just as we cannot
>> > >> write the number one third accurately in decimal notation, so the
>> > >> IEEE
>> > >> floating point format used by computer systems cannot store numbers
>> > >> accurately. The example that I use when teaching training courses is
>> > >> 14.2 which actually ends up as something close to 14.197.
>> > >> UniVerse gets around this with a wonderful concept called "wide zero"
>> > >> that says, when testing for equality of floating point numbers, they
>> > >> must be within some specified value of being equal rather than
>> > >> strictly equal. The default wide zero error tolerance, set in IEEE
>> > >> format with the WIDEZERO configuration parameter, is 2.91 * 10^-11
>> > >> (2^
>> > >> 035) which is good for most business applications but occasionally
>> needs adjusting.
>> > >> Unidata has a command, SET.WIDEZERO, to serve the same purpose but
>> > >> defaults to 0.0 for backward comaptibility.
>> > >> Martin Phillips
>> > >> Ladybridge Systems Ltd
>> > >> 1

Re: [U2] Universe File Issue

[Augusto Alonso]

I guess you have a 32bit file, so that you can't go over 2 Gb.
You should try RESIZE FILE x  x  x 64BIT
Regards
--
Augusto Alonso

2011/10/11 John Varney 

> I inherited a system running UniVerse over windows 2003 Server.
>
> I have a history file that seems corrupt. It's just over 2 gigs in size
> (The
> problem I believe) and fixfile and uvfixfile won't work on it.
>
> I'm thinking the size of the file needs to shrink a bit before I can do
> anything with it. Thoughts?
>
> John Varney
> Integra Life Sciences
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brett Callacher
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:25 AM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: Re: [U2] The math just doesn't work.
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I think you would need to set Wide Zero to something like the UV default
> (2.91 * 10^-11) to do a comparative test.
>
> Thanks for checking anyway.
>
> Brett
>
> "Bill Haskett"  wrote in message
> news:<4e933047.6050...@advantos.net>...
> > Brett:
> >
> > When I run the following code on UD v7.2.7, it works fine.
> >
> > *
> > ** Test program
> > EXECUTE \SET.WIDEZERO 0.01\
> > *
> > NUL = ''
> > CM = ','
> > A = -409071.8775: CM: 475000: CM: -652413: CM: 652413: CM: -475000: CM:
> > 409071.8775
> > *
> > TEST.VMC = 1
> > TEST.TOTAL = 0
> > *
> > LOOP UNTIL FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC) = NUL DO
> > TEST.TOTAL += FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC)
> > TEST.VMC += 1
> > REPEAT
> > *
> > IF TEST.TOTAL = 0 THEN
> > PRINT 'OK'
> > END ELSE
> > PRINT TEST.TOTAL, (TEST.TOTAL = 0), TEST.TOTAL - 0,
> > (OCONV(TEST.TOTAL, 'MD0') = 0)
> > END
> >
> > *2 Dev (0)-> RUN BP BILL
> > OK*
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* bre...@gpmdev.co.uk
> > *To:* u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org 
> > *Date:* 10/10/2011 1:16 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [U2] The math just doesn't work.
> > > I also thought: "great explanation" and nodded sagely when I read this.
> However, consider this code:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >NUL = ''
> > >
> > >CM = ','
> > >
> > >A = -409071.8775: CM: 475000: CM: -652413: CM: 652413: CM:
> -475000: CM: 409071.8775
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >TEST.VMC = 1
> > >
> > >TEST.TOTAL = 0
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >LOOP UNTIL FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC) = NUL DO
> > >
> > >   TEST.TOTAL += FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC)
> > >
> > >   TEST.VMC += 1
> > >
> > >REPEAT
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >IF TEST.TOTAL = 0 THEN
> > >
> > >   PRINT 'OK'
> > >
> > >END ELSE
> > >
> > >   PRINT TEST.TOTAL, (TEST.TOTAL = 0), TEST.TOTAL - 0,
> (OCONV(TEST.TOTAL, 'MD0') = 0)
> > >
> > >END
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Running this on our Universe system 11.1.1 produces:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 0 0 0 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, in other words zero is the total result in TEST.TOTAL but this does
> not equate to zero.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now I know I can get round this by rounding the answer but am not sure
> why I should have to.  Any ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brett
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Martin
> Phillips" martinphill...@ladybridge.com
> >>  wrote in message
> news:<2636297EDC484501AD1A5AC277EE76A7@lbs8
>  77EE76A7@lbs8>>...
> > >
> > >> Hi George,
> > >> As a general rule in programming, comparison of floating point values
> > >> for equality should be avoided. This is because, just as we cannot
> > >> write the number one third accurately in decimal notation, so the IEEE
> > >> floating point format used by computer systems cannot store numbers
> > >> accurately. The example that I use when teaching training courses is
> > >> 14.2 which actually ends up as something close to 14.197.
> > >> UniVerse gets around this with a wonderful concept called "wide zero"
> > >> that says, when testing for equality of floating point numbers, they
> > >> must be within some specified value of being equal rather than
> > >> strictly equal. The default wide zero error tolerance, set in IEEE
> > >> format with the WIDEZERO configuration parameter, is 2.91 * 10^-11 (2^
> > >> 035) which is good for most business applications but occasionally
> needs adjusting.
> > >> Unidata has a command, SET.WIDEZERO, to serve the same purpose but
> > >> defaults to 0.0 for backward comaptibility.
> > >> Martin Phillips
> > >> Ladybridge Systems Ltd
> > >> 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England
> > >> +44 (0)1604-709200
> > >> - Original Message -
> > >> From: "George
> Hammerle"mailto:zhamme...@hubert.com>>
> > >> To:mailto:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> >>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:30 PM
> > >> Subject: [U2] The math just doesn't work.
> > >>> Can anybody please help?
> > >>> For some reason A + B doe

Re: [U2] DataFlo

[Gwen Buck]

We use DataFlo.

Gwen Buck
Gaska Tape Inc.

-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Varney
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:31 AM
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: [U2] DataFlo

Are there any DataFlo users out there?


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[U2] DataFlo

[John Varney]

Are there any DataFlo users out there?


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[U2] Universe File Issue

[John Varney]

I inherited a system running UniVerse over windows 2003 Server.

I have a history file that seems corrupt. It's just over 2 gigs in size (The
problem I believe) and fixfile and uvfixfile won't work on it.

I'm thinking the size of the file needs to shrink a bit before I can do
anything with it. Thoughts?

John Varney
Integra Life Sciences

-Original Message-
From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brett Callacher
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:25 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] The math just doesn't work.

Hi Bill,

I think you would need to set Wide Zero to something like the UV default
(2.91 * 10^-11) to do a comparative test.

Thanks for checking anyway.

Brett

"Bill Haskett"  wrote in message
news:<4e933047.6050...@advantos.net>...
> Brett:
> 
> When I run the following code on UD v7.2.7, it works fine.
> 
> *
> ** Test program
> EXECUTE \SET.WIDEZERO 0.01\
> *
> NUL = ''
> CM = ','
> A = -409071.8775: CM: 475000: CM: -652413: CM: 652413: CM: -475000: CM: 
> 409071.8775
> *
> TEST.VMC = 1
> TEST.TOTAL = 0
> *
> LOOP UNTIL FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC) = NUL DO
> TEST.TOTAL += FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC)
> TEST.VMC += 1
> REPEAT
> *
> IF TEST.TOTAL = 0 THEN
> PRINT 'OK'
> END ELSE
> PRINT TEST.TOTAL, (TEST.TOTAL = 0), TEST.TOTAL - 0, 
> (OCONV(TEST.TOTAL, 'MD0') = 0)
> END
> 
> *2 Dev (0)-> RUN BP BILL
> OK*
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> *From:* bre...@gpmdev.co.uk
> *To:* u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org 
> *Date:* 10/10/2011 1:16 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [U2] The math just doesn't work.
> > I also thought: "great explanation" and nodded sagely when I read this.
However, consider this code:
> >
> >
> >
> >NUL = ''
> >
> >CM = ','
> >
> >A = -409071.8775: CM: 475000: CM: -652413: CM: 652413: CM:
-475000: CM: 409071.8775
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> >TEST.VMC = 1
> >
> >TEST.TOTAL = 0
> >
> > *
> >
> >LOOP UNTIL FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC) = NUL DO
> >
> >   TEST.TOTAL += FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC)
> >
> >   TEST.VMC += 1
> >
> >REPEAT
> >
> > *
> >
> >IF TEST.TOTAL = 0 THEN
> >
> >   PRINT 'OK'
> >
> >END ELSE
> >
> >   PRINT TEST.TOTAL, (TEST.TOTAL = 0), TEST.TOTAL - 0,
(OCONV(TEST.TOTAL, 'MD0') = 0)
> >
> >END
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Running this on our Universe system 11.1.1 produces:
> >
> >
> >
> > 0 0 0 1
> >
> >
> >
> > So, in other words zero is the total result in TEST.TOTAL but this does
not equate to zero.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now I know I can get round this by rounding the answer but am not sure
why I should have to.  Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Brett
> >
> >
> >
> > "Martin
Phillips"mailto:martinphill...@ladybridge.com
>>  wrote in message
news:<2636297EDC484501AD1A5AC277EE76A7@lbs8>...
> >
> >> Hi George,
> >> As a general rule in programming, comparison of floating point values
> >> for equality should be avoided. This is because, just as we cannot
> >> write the number one third accurately in decimal notation, so the IEEE
> >> floating point format used by computer systems cannot store numbers
> >> accurately. The example that I use when teaching training courses is
> >> 14.2 which actually ends up as something close to 14.197.
> >> UniVerse gets around this with a wonderful concept called "wide zero"
> >> that says, when testing for equality of floating point numbers, they
> >> must be within some specified value of being equal rather than
> >> strictly equal. The default wide zero error tolerance, set in IEEE
> >> format with the WIDEZERO configuration parameter, is 2.91 * 10^-11 (2^
> >> 035) which is good for most business applications but occasionally
needs adjusting.
> >> Unidata has a command, SET.WIDEZERO, to serve the same purpose but
> >> defaults to 0.0 for backward comaptibility.
> >> Martin Phillips
> >> Ladybridge Systems Ltd
> >> 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England
> >> +44 (0)1604-709200
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "George
Hammerle"mailto:zhamme...@hubert.com>>
> >> To:mailto:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:30 PM
> >> Subject: [U2] The math just doesn't work.
> >>> Can anybody please help?
> >>> For some reason A + B does not equal C in the comparison below. Is
> >>> there any trick to get the comparisons to work properly?
> >>> Unidata 7.2 on Hp Unix 11+
> >>> Top of "TEST.COMP" in "RMH.MAIN", 13 lines, 263 characters.
> >>> *--: P
> >>> 001: A = 3176.79
> >>> 002: B = 106.19
> >>> 003: C = 3282.98
> >>> 004: D = 920.11
> >>> 005: A = A + D
> >>> 006: C = C + D
> >>> 007: IF (A+B) # C THEN
> >>> 008:   CRT '(A+B) # C? YOU LIE'
> >>> 009:   CRT 'A = ':A:', B = ':B:', (A+B) = ':(A+B):', C = ':C
> >>> 010: E

Re: [U2] The math just doesn't work.

[Brett Callacher]

Hi Bill,

I think you would need to set Wide Zero to something like the UV default (2.91 
* 10^-11) to do a comparative test.

Thanks for checking anyway.

Brett

"Bill Haskett"  wrote in message 
news:<4e933047.6050...@advantos.net>...
> Brett:
> 
> When I run the following code on UD v7.2.7, it works fine.
> 
> *
> ** Test program
> EXECUTE \SET.WIDEZERO 0.01\
> *
> NUL = ''
> CM = ','
> A = -409071.8775: CM: 475000: CM: -652413: CM: 652413: CM: -475000: CM: 
> 409071.8775
> *
> TEST.VMC = 1
> TEST.TOTAL = 0
> *
> LOOP UNTIL FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC) = NUL DO
> TEST.TOTAL += FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC)
> TEST.VMC += 1
> REPEAT
> *
> IF TEST.TOTAL = 0 THEN
> PRINT 'OK'
> END ELSE
> PRINT TEST.TOTAL, (TEST.TOTAL = 0), TEST.TOTAL - 0, 
> (OCONV(TEST.TOTAL, 'MD0') = 0)
> END
> 
> *2 Dev (0)-> RUN BP BILL
> OK*
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> *From:* bre...@gpmdev.co.uk
> *To:* u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org 
> *Date:* 10/10/2011 1:16 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [U2] The math just doesn't work.
> > I also thought: "great explanation" and nodded sagely when I read this.  
> > However, consider this code:
> >
> >
> >
> >NUL = ''
> >
> >CM = ','
> >
> >A = -409071.8775: CM: 475000: CM: -652413: CM: 652413: CM: -475000: 
> > CM: 409071.8775
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
> >
> >TEST.VMC = 1
> >
> >TEST.TOTAL = 0
> >
> > *
> >
> >LOOP UNTIL FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC) = NUL DO
> >
> >   TEST.TOTAL += FIELD(A, CM, TEST.VMC)
> >
> >   TEST.VMC += 1
> >
> >REPEAT
> >
> > *
> >
> >IF TEST.TOTAL = 0 THEN
> >
> >   PRINT 'OK'
> >
> >END ELSE
> >
> >   PRINT TEST.TOTAL, (TEST.TOTAL = 0), TEST.TOTAL - 0, 
> > (OCONV(TEST.TOTAL, 'MD0') = 0)
> >
> >END
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Running this on our Universe system 11.1.1 produces:
> >
> >
> >
> > 0 0 0 1
> >
> >
> >
> > So, in other words zero is the total result in TEST.TOTAL but this does not 
> > equate to zero.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now I know I can get round this by rounding the answer but am not sure why 
> > I should have to.  Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Brett
> >
> >
> >
> > "Martin 
> > Phillips"mailto:martinphill...@ladybridge.com>>
> >   wrote in message 
> > news:<2636297EDC484501AD1A5AC277EE76A7@lbs8>...
> >
> >> Hi George,
> >> As a general rule in programming, comparison of floating point values
> >> for equality should be avoided. This is because, just as we cannot
> >> write the number one third accurately in decimal notation, so the IEEE
> >> floating point format used by computer systems cannot store numbers
> >> accurately. The example that I use when teaching training courses is
> >> 14.2 which actually ends up as something close to 14.197.
> >> UniVerse gets around this with a wonderful concept called "wide zero"
> >> that says, when testing for equality of floating point numbers, they
> >> must be within some specified value of being equal rather than
> >> strictly equal. The default wide zero error tolerance, set in IEEE
> >> format with the WIDEZERO configuration parameter, is 2.91 * 10^-11 (2^
> >> 035) which is good for most business applications but occasionally needs 
> >> adjusting.
> >> Unidata has a command, SET.WIDEZERO, to serve the same purpose but
> >> defaults to 0.0 for backward comaptibility.
> >> Martin Phillips
> >> Ladybridge Systems Ltd
> >> 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England
> >> +44 (0)1604-709200
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "George Hammerle"mailto:zhamme...@hubert.com>>
> >> To:mailto:u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org>>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:30 PM
> >> Subject: [U2] The math just doesn't work.
> >>> Can anybody please help?
> >>> For some reason A + B does not equal C in the comparison below. Is
> >>> there any trick to get the comparisons to work properly?
> >>> Unidata 7.2 on Hp Unix 11+
> >>> Top of "TEST.COMP" in "RMH.MAIN", 13 lines, 263 characters.
> >>> *--: P
> >>> 001: A = 3176.79
> >>> 002: B = 106.19
> >>> 003: C = 3282.98
> >>> 004: D = 920.11
> >>> 005: A = A + D
> >>> 006: C = C + D
> >>> 007: IF (A+B) # C THEN
> >>> 008:   CRT '(A+B) # C? YOU LIE'
> >>> 009:   CRT 'A = ':A:', B = ':B:', (A+B) = ':(A+B):', C = ':C
> >>> 010: END ELSE
> >>> 011:   CRT '(A+B) = C? YOU ROCK'
> >>> 012:   CRT 'A = ':A:', B = ':B:', (A+B) = ':(A+B):', C = ':C
> >>> 013: END
> >>> Bottom.
> >>> *--: FIBR
> >>> Filed "TEST.COMP" in file "RMH.MAIN" unchanged.
> >>> Compiling Unibasic: /db1/ud1/PGM/RMH.MAIN/TEST.COMP in mode 'u'.
> >>> compilation finished
> >>> (A+B) # C? YOU LIE
> >>> A = 4096.9, B = 106.19, (A+B) = 4203.09, C = 4203.09
> >>> George Hammerle
> >>> Programming Dude
> >>> Hubert Company LLC.
> >>> 9555 Dry Fork Road
> >>> Har

Re: [U2] The math just doesn't work.

[Martin Phillips]

Hi all,

If my memory over 20 years ago in PI/open development is reliable (probably 
not), I seem to recall that the string arithmetic functions were invented to 
handle either very large integer numbers or fractional numbers with a large 
number of decimal places. I think it was the high precision daily interest 
calculations required by banking systems that motivated the development.



Martin Phillips
Ladybridge Systems Ltd
17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England
+44 (0)1604-709200

- Original Message - 
From: "Wjhonson" 

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Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [U2] The math just doesn't work.




I thought that large integer addition is why the functions SADD, SCMP and 
SDIV were invented?

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