Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
And the list goes on and on and... That's why free form names are an absolute pain and should be avoided. It's so much easier to have Title, First Name(s), Last Name(s) fields in the input screen and keep them as separate attributes. You never get it 100% right. In your list take Dean or Prince for instance - they could be first names and not titles at all. A colleague of mine tried a last name upper to lower case conversion including Irish and Scottish names and out of Machine Co it made MacHine Co. And don't even ask what happened to last names starting with O.:-) On 14/12/2011 01:02, Charlie Noah wrote: Great start, but here is a longer list, although still nowhere near complete: Prefixes Code Description 1st Lt First Lieutenant Adm Admiral Atty Attorney Brother Brother (religious) Capt Captain ChiefChief Cmdr Commander Col Colonel Dean University Dean (includes Assistant and Associate) Dr Doctor (Medical or Educator) ElderElder (religious) Father Father (religious) Gen General Gov Governor Hon Honorable (Cabinet Officer, Commissioner, Congressman, Judge, etc.) Lt Col Lieutenant Colonel Maj Major MSgt Major/Master Sergeant Mr Mister Mrs Married Woman Ms Single or Married Woman Prince Prince Prof Professor (includes Assistant and Associate RabbiRabbi (religious) Rev Reverend (religious) Sister Sister (religious) Suffixes Code Description II The Second III The Third IV The Fourth VThe Fifth CPA Certified Public Accountant DDS Doctor of Dental Medicine Esq Esquire JD Jurist Doctor Jr Junior Jnr Junior (British) LLD Doctor of Laws MD Doctor of Medicine PhD Doctorate Ret Retired from Armed Forces RN Registered Nurse RPh Registered Pharmacist Sr Senior Snr Senior (British) DO Doctor of Osteopathy Perhaps others can add more to the list. Regards, Charlie Noah Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-13-2011 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
This thread reminded me of a blog posting I ran across a while ago. His basic premise is that most of our assumptions about names are incorrect, which makes coding a computer to handle them properly is really tough if not impossible. Don't skip the comments section, there's some good stuff there. http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
That's pretty good. A few years back, Multnomah County (Portland), Oregon, added Klingon to the official list of interpreter services it would offer in the Mental Health department. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org From: bradley.sch...@usbank.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:57:28 -0600 Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name This thread reminded me of a blog posting I ran across a while ago. His basic premise is that most of our assumptions about names are incorrect, which makes coding a computer to handle them properly is really tough if not impossible. Don't skip the comments section, there's some good stuff there. http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
Of course, this doesn't account for mulitple suffixes (ie. JR MD) Or if someone has a multi part last name (Del Rossi) Or if a middle initial has been thrown into the name as well. The routine I have, splits the name into a dynamic array on a space and goes through the array one at a time, if it matches a salutation or suffix it's dropped into it's own dynamic array, however, if it matches a prefix, it must be within the first half of the name, and a suffix must be within the last half of the name (there are some salutation that can also be suffixes - ie. SR - Senior or Sister). If it's a single letter, it's considered a middle initial, ONLY if there has been no first name yet. if the part is one of a multi part last name, it's added the next part with a sub value mark, and rechecked (after eliminating the next part). What's left depending on how many parts will be a FN Middle Name or LN, FN, LN or just a LN (if there is a first name initial). Subvalues and Attribute marks are converted back to spaces Returning 5 parts, Salution, FN, Middle name, LN, Suffix I use the same method of having salution file, and a suffix file and combined last name file As we find failures based on unknown saluation, suffixes, they are added to the file. It works excellent on the normal formatted names. George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division ggal...@wyanokegroup.com ph:856.848.9005 Ext 220 The Wyanoke Group http://www.wyanokegroup.com From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Noah [cwn...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:02 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name Great start, but here is a longer list, although still nowhere near complete: Prefixes Code Description 1st Lt First Lieutenant Adm Admiral Atty Attorney Brother Brother (religious) Capt Captain ChiefChief Cmdr Commander Col Colonel Dean University Dean (includes Assistant and Associate) Dr Doctor (Medical or Educator) ElderElder (religious) Father Father (religious) Gen General Gov Governor Hon Honorable (Cabinet Officer, Commissioner, Congressman, Judge, etc.) Lt Col Lieutenant Colonel Maj Major MSgt Major/Master Sergeant Mr Mister Mrs Married Woman Ms Single or Married Woman Prince Prince Prof Professor (includes Assistant and Associate RabbiRabbi (religious) Rev Reverend (religious) Sister Sister (religious) Suffixes Code Description II The Second III The Third IV The Fourth VThe Fifth CPA Certified Public Accountant DDS Doctor of Dental Medicine Esq Esquire JD Jurist Doctor Jr Junior Jnr Junior (British) LLD Doctor of Laws MD Doctor of Medicine PhD Doctorate Ret Retired from Armed Forces RN Registered Nurse RPh Registered Pharmacist Sr Senior Snr Senior (British) DO Doctor of Osteopathy Perhaps others can add more to the list. Regards, Charlie Noah Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-13-2011 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
Oops, This should have been it's considered a middle Only if there has been a non salutation or a non single letter part first found. (ie. John L Smith, but NOT J Smith - the J here is a firstname) From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen [ggal...@wyanokegroup.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:19 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name If it's a single letter, it's considered a middle initial, ONLY if there has been no first name yet. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
You need to do a proper lexical analysis in order to work these out For example Input : Dean Foster Lex: title word Input: Dean Reginald McGraw Lex: title word word Then set rules to say a lex of title word is probable worked out as forename surname and a lex of title word word is probably title forename surname you can assign probabilities against these and build some self learning in. It is a whole massive topic. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: 14 December 2011 08:22 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name And the list goes on and on and... That's why free form names are an absolute pain and should be avoided. It's so much easier to have Title, First Name(s), Last Name(s) fields in the input screen and keep them as separate attributes. You never get it 100% right. In your list take Dean or Prince for instance - they could be first names and not titles at all. A colleague of mine tried a last name upper to lower case conversion including Irish and Scottish names and out of Machine Co it made MacHine Co. And don't even ask what happened to last names starting with O.:-) On 14/12/2011 01:02, Charlie Noah wrote: Great start, but here is a longer list, although still nowhere near complete: Prefixes Code Description 1st Lt First Lieutenant Adm Admiral Atty Attorney Brother Brother (religious) Capt Captain ChiefChief Cmdr Commander Col Colonel Dean University Dean (includes Assistant and Associate) Dr Doctor (Medical or Educator) ElderElder (religious) Father Father (religious) Gen General Gov Governor Hon Honorable (Cabinet Officer, Commissioner, Congressman, Judge, etc.) Lt Col Lieutenant Colonel Maj Major MSgt Major/Master Sergeant Mr Mister Mrs Married Woman Ms Single or Married Woman Prince Prince Prof Professor (includes Assistant and Associate RabbiRabbi (religious) Rev Reverend (religious) Sister Sister (religious) Suffixes Code Description II The Second III The Third IV The Fourth VThe Fifth CPA Certified Public Accountant DDS Doctor of Dental Medicine Esq Esquire JD Jurist Doctor Jr Junior Jnr Junior (British) LLD Doctor of Laws MD Doctor of Medicine PhD Doctorate Ret Retired from Armed Forces RN Registered Nurse RPh Registered Pharmacist Sr Senior Snr Senior (British) DO Doctor of Osteopathy Perhaps others can add more to the list. Regards, Charlie Noah Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-13-2011 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4079 - Release Date: 12/13/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Uniobjects for Java and Domino 8
Since I was under the impression that UniObjects is still supported, am also interested in the response to this. jim.sto...@esc.edu wrote in message news:of751a420f.4c7bb679-on85257965.0075e4a7-85257965.00761...@esc.edu... Hi Dan, Thanks for this information. Can you tell us if Rocket has any plans to further develop / support the original COM/OLE version of UniObjects? And in particular, are there any plans to release a 64 bit version? Thank you, Jim Stoner SUNY Empire State College From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: 12/07/2011 05:00 PM Subject:Re: [U2] Uniobjects for Java and Domino 8 Sent by:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org I missed this email. Q: Will UOJ be further developed and supported by Rocket in the future? A: Yes. There are no plans on changing this answer in the foreseeable future either. Regards, Dan McGrath U2 Product Manager Rocket Software Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [ mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Uniobjects for Java and Domino 8 Great information John and Robert. Looks like UOJ is getting mature. In my situation, it is attractive since we use Domino and Unidata extensively. But, I do not want to invest my time in something that won't be supported in the future. My question for Rocket is Will UOJ be further developed and supported by Rocket in the future? Thanks. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation Robert said: Hi John, On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:01 AM, John Hester jhes...@momtex.com wrote: We've been using UOJ with WebSphere App Server since around 2003. Not quite the same as Domino, I realize, but at least under the same IBM Java middleware umbrella. I can't offer a lot the way of best practices, but I can say that the combination is robust and trouble-free. This is more OS related, but if you're connecting to or from a linux box you need to make sure the LANG environment variable is set correctly. The RedHat default is incorrect for UOJ (at least up to EL 5) and will result in MV delimiters being incorrectly translated into other ascii characters. RedHat EL 5 stores the LANG value in /etc/sysconfig/i18n and the official setting I was given by IBM is en_US.iso885915. The above has caused me many problems in both web applications and running UOJ on mobile devices. I got a debugger out and went through what is happening, it appears UOJ is using deprecated routines within java and writing invalid data to the udcs server. The deprecated routines are using the systems character encoding to convert 16bit java characters to 8bit bytes. As the host systems character encoding is variable thus different data will be sent to the server depending on what location and operating system is used. Roughly the uniobjects conversion routines grab the java system property file.encoding which is meant for reading and writing files and use it directly and indirectly to write data to the socket. Quick fix is on the java command line -Dfile.encoding=iso8859_1 Warning: once java program is running ie System.setProperty(file.encoding,iso8859_1) does not work as a bunch of system level stuff is cached on startup. The above quick fix has many bad side effects as the java process now has the wrong character encoding to read and write files on the local system and has caused me issues in third party libraries which expect to be able to read and write files correctly. ie my web server should be emitting utf8 for maximum compatibility but is putting out iso8859_1 for most files thanks to this quick fix It would be better for the rocket engineers to decide on a character encoding to talk to the server with and set it as a separate define(or hard code it maybe), according to oracle the basic encodings below should be available on most jvms : http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.3/docs/guide/intl/encoding.doc.html ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of GPM Development Ltd. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient ,you are not authorized
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
Just face it - it can't be done! So what if Dean has 2 first names and is a plumber? On 14/12/2011 09:57, Symeon Breen wrote: You need to do a proper lexical analysis in order to work these out For example Input : Dean Foster Lex: title word Input: Dean Reginald McGraw Lex: title word word Then set rules to say a lex of title word is probable worked out as forename surname and a lex of title word word is probably title forename surname you can assign probabilities against these and build some self learning in. It is a whole massive topic. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: 14 December 2011 08:22 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name And the list goes on and on and... That's why free form names are an absolute pain and should be avoided. It's so much easier to have Title, First Name(s), Last Name(s) fields in the input screen and keep them as separate attributes. You never get it 100% right. In your list take Dean or Prince for instance - they could be first names and not titles at all. A colleague of mine tried a last name upper to lower case conversion including Irish and Scottish names and out of Machine Co it made MacHine Co. And don't even ask what happened to last names starting with O.:-) On 14/12/2011 01:02, Charlie Noah wrote: Great start, but here is a longer list, although still nowhere near complete: Prefixes Code Description 1st Lt First Lieutenant Adm Admiral Atty Attorney Brother Brother (religious) Capt Captain ChiefChief Cmdr Commander Col Colonel Dean University Dean (includes Assistant and Associate) Dr Doctor (Medical or Educator) ElderElder (religious) Father Father (religious) Gen General Gov Governor Hon Honorable (Cabinet Officer, Commissioner, Congressman, Judge, etc.) Lt Col Lieutenant Colonel Maj Major MSgt Major/Master Sergeant Mr Mister Mrs Married Woman Ms Single or Married Woman Prince Prince Prof Professor (includes Assistant and Associate RabbiRabbi (religious) Rev Reverend (religious) Sister Sister (religious) Suffixes Code Description II The Second III The Third IV The Fourth VThe Fifth CPA Certified Public Accountant DDS Doctor of Dental Medicine Esq Esquire JD Jurist Doctor Jr Junior Jnr Junior (British) LLD Doctor of Laws MD Doctor of Medicine PhD Doctorate Ret Retired from Armed Forces RN Registered Nurse RPh Registered Pharmacist Sr Senior Snr Senior (British) DO Doctor of Osteopathy Perhaps others can add more to the list. Regards, Charlie Noah Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-13-2011 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4079 - Release Date: 12/13/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
Or in our system we have entries like Dean Suarez Smith In actuality the customer states that Suarez Smith is a double last name, not a middle name and last name And Dean is their title... or no it's their first name... Actually Doctor can be a first name as well. It's a mess -Original Message- From: Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 5:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name Just face it - it can't be done! So what if Dean has 2 first names and is a plumber? On 14/12/2011 09:57, Symeon Breen wrote: You need to do a proper lexical analysis in order to work these out For example Input : Dean Foster Lex: title word Input: Dean Reginald McGraw Lex: title word word Then set rules to say a lex of title word is probable worked out as forename surname and a lex of title word word is probably title forename surname you can assign probabilities against these and build some self learning in. It is a whole massive topic. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: 14 December 2011 08:22 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name And the list goes on and on and... That's why free form names are an absolute pain and should be avoided. It's so much easier to have Title, First Name(s), Last Name(s) fields in the input screen and keep them as separate attributes. You never get it 100% right. In your list take Dean or Prince for instance - they could be first names and not titles at all. A colleague of mine tried a last name upper to lower case conversion including Irish and Scottish names and out of Machine Co it made MacHine Co. And don't even ask what happened to last names starting with O.:-) On 14/12/2011 01:02, Charlie Noah wrote: Great start, but here is a longer list, although still nowhere near complete: Prefixes Code Description 1st Lt First Lieutenant Adm Admiral Atty Attorney Brother Brother (religious) Capt Captain ChiefChief Cmdr Commander Col Colonel Dean University Dean (includes Assistant and Associate) Dr Doctor (Medical or Educator) ElderElder (religious) Father Father (religious) Gen General Gov Governor Hon Honorable (Cabinet Officer, Commissioner, Congressman, Judge, etc.) Lt Col Lieutenant Colonel Maj Major MSgt Major/Master Sergeant Mr Mister Mrs Married Woman Ms Single or Married Woman Prince Prince Prof Professor (includes Assistant and Associate RabbiRabbi (religious) Rev Reverend (religious) Sister Sister (religious) Suffixes Code Description II The Second III The Third IV The Fourth VThe Fifth CPA Certified Public Accountant DDS Doctor of Dental Medicine Esq Esquire JD Jurist Doctor Jr Junior Jnr Junior (British) LLD Doctor of Laws MD Doctor of Medicine PhD Doctorate Ret Retired from Armed Forces RN Registered Nurse RPh Registered Pharmacist Sr Senior Snr Senior (British) DO Doctor of Osteopathy Perhaps others can add more to the list. Regards, Charlie Noah Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-13-2011 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4079 - Release Date: 12/13/11
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
Hi Mecki, I absolutely agree. Of course, it's hard enough to get a trained (hopefully) data entry person to get it right, just imagine all those web customers filling out online order forms. The best you can hope for is to get most right, and enough time to look over the rest for errors. Then there's the problem of capitalization. There are probably as many exceptions as there are rules. Oh well, that's why they pay us the big bucks, right? ;^) Regards, Charlie Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-14-2011 2:22 AM, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: And the list goes on and on and... That's why free form names are an absolute pain and should be avoided. It's so much easier to have Title, First Name(s), Last Name(s) fields in the input screen and keep them as separate attributes. You never get it 100% right. In your list take Dean or Prince for instance - they could be first names and not titles at all. A colleague of mine tried a last name upper to lower case conversion including Irish and Scottish names and out of Machine Co it made MacHine Co. And don't even ask what happened to last names starting with O.:-) On 14/12/2011 01:02, Charlie Noah wrote: Great start, but here is a longer list, although still nowhere near complete: Prefixes Code Description 1st Lt First Lieutenant Adm Admiral Atty Attorney Brother Brother (religious) Capt Captain ChiefChief Cmdr Commander Col Colonel Dean University Dean (includes Assistant and Associate) Dr Doctor (Medical or Educator) ElderElder (religious) Father Father (religious) Gen General Gov Governor Hon Honorable (Cabinet Officer, Commissioner, Congressman, Judge, etc.) Lt Col Lieutenant Colonel Maj Major MSgt Major/Master Sergeant Mr Mister Mrs Married Woman Ms Single or Married Woman Prince Prince Prof Professor (includes Assistant and Associate RabbiRabbi (religious) Rev Reverend (religious) Sister Sister (religious) Suffixes Code Description II The Second III The Third IV The Fourth VThe Fifth CPA Certified Public Accountant DDS Doctor of Dental Medicine Esq Esquire JD Jurist Doctor Jr Junior Jnr Junior (British) LLD Doctor of Laws MD Doctor of Medicine PhD Doctorate Ret Retired from Armed Forces RN Registered Nurse RPh Registered Pharmacist Sr Senior Snr Senior (British) DO Doctor of Osteopathy Perhaps others can add more to the list. Regards, Charlie Noah Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-13-2011 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Universe Telnet Session Keep Alive
Can anyone tell me if the Universe Telnet Keep Alive setting is anywhere else besides UniAdmin? Using Universe 10.1.23 on Windows Server 2008 r2 Thanks, Jason ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
And how about Count Darling IV? Count is actually his first name. I haven't heard anything about him in years. Charlie On 12-14-2011 7:47 AM, Wjhonson wrote: Or in our system we have entries like Dean Suarez Smith In actuality the customer states that Suarez Smith is a double last name, not a middle name and last name And Dean is their title... or no it's their first name... Actually Doctor can be a first name as well. It's a mess -Original Message- From: Mecki Foerthmannmec...@gmx.net To: u2-usersu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 5:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name Just face it - it can't be done! So what if Dean has 2 first names and is a plumber? On 14/12/2011 09:57, Symeon Breen wrote: You need to do a proper lexical analysis in order to work these out For example Input : Dean Foster Lex: title word Input: Dean Reginald McGraw Lex: title word word Then set rules to say a lex of title word is probable worked out as forename surname and a lex of title word word is probably title forename surname you can assign probabilities against these and build some self learning in. It is a whole massive topic. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: 14 December 2011 08:22 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name And the list goes on and on and... That's why free form names are an absolute pain and should be avoided. It's so much easier to have Title, First Name(s), Last Name(s) fields in the input screen and keep them as separate attributes. You never get it 100% right. In your list take Dean or Prince for instance - they could be first names and not titles at all. A colleague of mine tried a last name upper to lower case conversion including Irish and Scottish names and out of Machine Co it made MacHine Co. And don't even ask what happened to last names starting with O.:-) On 14/12/2011 01:02, Charlie Noah wrote: Great start, but here is a longer list, although still nowhere near complete: Prefixes Code Description 1st Lt First Lieutenant Adm Admiral Atty Attorney Brother Brother (religious) Capt Captain ChiefChief Cmdr Commander Col Colonel Dean University Dean (includes Assistant and Associate) Dr Doctor (Medical or Educator) ElderElder (religious) Father Father (religious) Gen General Gov Governor Hon Honorable (Cabinet Officer, Commissioner, Congressman, Judge, etc.) Lt Col Lieutenant Colonel Maj Major MSgt Major/Master Sergeant Mr Mister Mrs Married Woman Ms Single or Married Woman Prince Prince Prof Professor (includes Assistant and Associate RabbiRabbi (religious) Rev Reverend (religious) Sister Sister (religious) Suffixes Code Description II The Second III The Third IV The Fourth VThe Fifth CPA Certified Public Accountant DDS Doctor of Dental Medicine Esq Esquire JD Jurist Doctor Jr Junior Jnr Junior (British) LLD Doctor of Laws MD Doctor of Medicine PhD Doctorate Ret Retired from Armed Forces RN Registered Nurse RPh Registered Pharmacist Sr Senior Snr Senior (British) DO Doctor of Osteopathy Perhaps others can add more to the list. Regards, Charlie Noah Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-13-2011 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4079 - Release
Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well
We use Redhat on some of our systems and do exactly what Symeon says. We get support for the first year and then drop it once the system is stable. In the case of Domino, the IBM support people answer Redhat questions as well. On less critical systems Ubuntu works well. You can buy Ubuntu support just like Redhat. From: John Thompson I'm not going to revert to RHEL 5.7 because I'm afraid, and then in two years have to convert to RHEL 6.x because Red Hat stopped supporting it, and have to go through all of this nonsense again. Tony Few people will admit that a decade ago they dumped a commercial OS like Sun, SCO, AIX, or Windows precisely because Linux was Free, and separately Open Source. Somehow because of those factors, the idea was that we would never again have to suffer the whims of the cathedral, as the bazaar would provide in bounty all the code changes required for the common good and of all. Symeon Yes but there is linux and there is linux - redhat is a commercial operating system with a full support model - you can always go the fedora route if you want to browse the bazaar. Actually many people only take the first year support from redhat - after that there is plenty of bazaar activity for redhat so you can go ahead and update many parts. The difficulty then would be updating the kernel, you may as well then go the fedora route at that point - or subscribe to the latest redhat, or take your pick of linux distro Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Just sharing some info - RHEL 6 and Universe/maybe Unidata as well
On 14/12/11 14:10, charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com wrote: We use Redhat on some of our systems and do exactly what Symeon says. We get support for the first year and then drop it once the system is stable. In the case of Domino, the IBM support people answer Redhat questions as well. On less critical systems Ubuntu works well. You can buy Ubuntu support just like Redhat. The point of Open Source, though, isn't that it doesn't cost anything. The point is that you are not beholden to the whims of another company. What would you do if Rocket went bust and UV/UD just disappeared as a casualty of the fire-sale? Okay, I know that's highly unlikely in this particular case, but it's a fairly common occurrence that some piece of niche but critical software disappears. It could be as simple as losing your AP licence key, and being unable to re-install ... With Open Source, you always have the option (even if it's a last resort) of buying in help and rebuilding the system from scratch. If the alternative is going out of business, well, let's hope you don't depend on a commercial system that's been end-of-life'd when that happens... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
I'm late to the Party, but wrote this draft yesterday. Some of it has been covered, but I'll click send without further revisions. I did not see the original post on this (just the Re:) but you can only get somewhat close on extracting first or last names from a free-form name, not good enough to use the resulting information, in general. There could be a lot more name-intelligence built into the algorithm, but it will still be an approximation. Of course, there are many two word first names, such as Sally Jo and many two and three word last names (e.g. Vander Molen, De Vries, and 1/2 of the phone book in my little city). Even if you have an algorithm that identifies a Van within the name, you need to be sure you are not treating Van Smith as a last name or Mary Van Dam Zylstra as if her former last name, now serving as the middle name, were the start of a three-part last name. There are also more suffixes and prefixes than in your algorithm as well as potentially multiple with any given name. As an aside... If starting out, rather than working with existing data, after some investigation a couple of years ago regarding what to collect in an online application as well as what to call the parts, I came down to 3 fields for names. Because one part should go first and the other last, I did what some consider politically incorrect with one tag as First name and the other as Last name. I also have a Full name that is currently read-only (read-write is future) defaulting initially as first : : last. Someone can put Dr. James A. as the first name and Vander Ark Sr. as the last name, should they choose to do so. Once implemented as a typical data field (rather than as a materialized derived value), the full name could be Dr. James A. Vander Ark Sr. with a first name as Jim and a last name as Vander Ark, for example. Skipping fields for middle name, prefix, and suffix might seem overly simplistic, but with these three fields a large percentage of possible requirements is covered and some risks are mitigated. Using these names to identify members of the same family across cultures is not, however. --dawn On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
Count Darling IV is alive and well. He lives in Fayetteville, AR still works with mvBase. George -Original Message- From: Charlie Noah Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:00 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name And how about Count Darling IV? Count is actually his first name. I haven't heard anything about him in years. Charlie On 12-14-2011 7:47 AM, Wjhonson wrote: Or in our system we have entries like Dean Suarez Smith In actuality the customer states that Suarez Smith is a double last name, not a middle name and last name And Dean is their title... or no it's their first name... Actually Doctor can be a first name as well. It's a mess -Original Message- From: Mecki Foerthmannmec...@gmx.net To: u2-usersu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 5:09 am Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name Just face it - it can't be done! So what if Dean has 2 first names and is a plumber? On 14/12/2011 09:57, Symeon Breen wrote: You need to do a proper lexical analysis in order to work these out For example Input : Dean Foster Lex: title word Input: Dean Reginald McGraw Lex: title word word Then set rules to say a lex of title word is probable worked out as forename surname and a lex of title word word is probably title forename surname you can assign probabilities against these and build some self learning in. It is a whole massive topic. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: 14 December 2011 08:22 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name And the list goes on and on and... That's why free form names are an absolute pain and should be avoided. It's so much easier to have Title, First Name(s), Last Name(s) fields in the input screen and keep them as separate attributes. You never get it 100% right. In your list take Dean or Prince for instance - they could be first names and not titles at all. A colleague of mine tried a last name upper to lower case conversion including Irish and Scottish names and out of Machine Co it made MacHine Co. And don't even ask what happened to last names starting with O.:-) On 14/12/2011 01:02, Charlie Noah wrote: Great start, but here is a longer list, although still nowhere near complete: Prefixes Code Description 1st Lt First Lieutenant Adm Admiral Atty Attorney Brother Brother (religious) Capt Captain ChiefChief Cmdr Commander Col Colonel Dean University Dean (includes Assistant and Associate) Dr Doctor (Medical or Educator) ElderElder (religious) Father Father (religious) Gen General Gov Governor Hon Honorable (Cabinet Officer, Commissioner, Congressman, Judge, etc.) Lt Col Lieutenant Colonel Maj Major MSgt Major/Master Sergeant Mr Mister Mrs Married Woman Ms Single or Married Woman Prince Prince Prof Professor (includes Assistant and Associate RabbiRabbi (religious) Rev Reverend (religious) Sister Sister (religious) Suffixes Code Description II The Second III The Third IV The Fourth VThe Fifth CPA Certified Public Accountant DDS Doctor of Dental Medicine Esq Esquire JD Jurist Doctor Jr Junior Jnr Junior (British) LLD Doctor of Laws MD Doctor of Medicine PhD Doctorate Ret Retired from Armed Forces RN Registered Nurse RPh Registered Pharmacist Sr Senior Snr Senior (British) DO Doctor of Osteopathy Perhaps others can add more to the list. Regards, Charlie Noah Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-13-2011 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org
Re: [U2] Universe Telnet Session Keep Alive
It's in later releases of Accuterm, if you're using Accuterm. Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: Jason Lavetan jason.lave...@cooperbooth.com To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:57 AM Subject: [U2] Universe Telnet Session Keep Alive Can anyone tell me if the Universe Telnet Keep Alive setting is anywhere else besides UniAdmin? Using Universe 10.1.23 on Windows Server 2008 r2 Thanks, Jason ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe Telnet Session Keep Alive
I meant a setting for Universe itself. I know there is a setting in UniAdmin, but is there a file some place that changes the Universe Telnet keep alive setting? Thanks, Jason Lavetan Sr. System Administrator 200 Lincoln West Drive Mountville, PA 17554 717-285-8000 ext. 154 800-992-0592 Fax: 717-285-8008 jason.lave...@cooperbooth.com www.cooperbooth.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Taylor Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:00 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Telnet Session Keep Alive It's in later releases of Accuterm, if you're using Accuterm. Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: Jason Lavetan jason.lave...@cooperbooth.com To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:57 AM Subject: [U2] Universe Telnet Session Keep Alive Can anyone tell me if the Universe Telnet Keep Alive setting is anywhere else besides UniAdmin? Using Universe 10.1.23 on Windows Server 2008 r2 Thanks, Jason ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
As usual, one has to ask if the complexities involved in managing all potentialities ensures that the simplest, and by far the most usual, scenarios are at best difficult to implement. :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* syme...@gmail.com *To:* 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 12/14/2011 1:57 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name You need to do a proper lexical analysis in order to work these out For example Input : Dean Foster Lex: title word Input: Dean Reginald McGraw Lex: title word word Then set rules to say a lex of title word is probable worked out as forename surname and a lex of title word word is probably title forename surname you can assign probabilities against these and build some self learning in. It is a whole massive topic. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: 14 December 2011 08:22 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name And the list goes on and on and... That's why free form names are an absolute pain and should be avoided. It's so much easier to have Title, First Name(s), Last Name(s) fields in the input screen and keep them as separate attributes. You never get it 100% right. In your list take Dean or Prince for instance - they could be first names and not titles at all. A colleague of mine tried a last name upper to lower case conversion including Irish and Scottish names and out of Machine Co it made MacHine Co. And don't even ask what happened to last names starting with O.:-) On 14/12/2011 01:02, Charlie Noah wrote: Great start, but here is a longer list, although still nowhere near complete: Prefixes Code Description 1st Lt First Lieutenant Adm Admiral Atty Attorney Brother Brother (religious) Capt Captain ChiefChief Cmdr Commander Col Colonel Dean University Dean (includes Assistant and Associate) Dr Doctor (Medical or Educator) ElderElder (religious) Father Father (religious) Gen General Gov Governor Hon Honorable (Cabinet Officer, Commissioner, Congressman, Judge, etc.) Lt Col Lieutenant Colonel Maj Major MSgt Major/Master Sergeant Mr Mister Mrs Married Woman Ms Single or Married Woman Prince Prince Prof Professor (includes Assistant and Associate RabbiRabbi (religious) Rev Reverend (religious) Sister Sister (religious) Suffixes Code Description II The Second III The Third IV The Fourth VThe Fifth CPA Certified Public Accountant DDS Doctor of Dental Medicine Esq Esquire JD Jurist Doctor Jr Junior Jnr Junior (British) LLD Doctor of Laws MD Doctor of Medicine PhD Doctorate Ret Retired from Armed Forces RN Registered Nurse RPh Registered Pharmacist Sr Senior Snr Senior (British) DO Doctor of Osteopathy Perhaps others can add more to the list. Regards, Charlie Noah Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-13-2011 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1415 / Virus Database: 2102/4079 - Release Date: 12/13/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org
Re: [U2] Uniobjects for Java and Domino 8
Hi Jim, As with most things, if you have specific developments (such as 64 bit) you need, it is best to email U2AskUs along with your specific requirements on why you need it so that we can properly consider it and start the conversation with Engineering. As far as I can see, no one has asked us for a 64 bit version so far. Regards, Dan McGrath U2 Product Manager Rocket Software -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of jim.sto...@esc.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:30 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Uniobjects for Java and Domino 8 Hi Dan, Thanks for this information. Can you tell us if Rocket has any plans to further develop / support the original COM/OLE version of UniObjects? And in particular, are there any plans to release a 64 bit version? Thank you, Jim Stoner SUNY Empire State College From: Daniel McGrath dmcgr...@rocketsoftware.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: 12/07/2011 05:00 PM Subject:Re: [U2] Uniobjects for Java and Domino 8 Sent by:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org I missed this email. Q: Will UOJ be further developed and supported by Rocket in the future? A: Yes. There are no plans on changing this answer in the foreseeable future either. Regards, Dan McGrath U2 Product Manager Rocket Software Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [ mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 10:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Uniobjects for Java and Domino 8 Great information John and Robert. Looks like UOJ is getting mature. In my situation, it is attractive since we use Domino and Unidata extensively. But, I do not want to invest my time in something that won't be supported in the future. My question for Rocket is Will UOJ be further developed and supported by Rocket in the future? Thanks. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation Robert said: Hi John, On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:01 AM, John Hester jhes...@momtex.com wrote: We've been using UOJ with WebSphere App Server since around 2003. Not quite the same as Domino, I realize, but at least under the same IBM Java middleware umbrella. I can't offer a lot the way of best practices, but I can say that the combination is robust and trouble-free. This is more OS related, but if you're connecting to or from a linux box you need to make sure the LANG environment variable is set correctly. The RedHat default is incorrect for UOJ (at least up to EL 5) and will result in MV delimiters being incorrectly translated into other ascii characters. RedHat EL 5 stores the LANG value in /etc/sysconfig/i18n and the official setting I was given by IBM is en_US.iso885915. The above has caused me many problems in both web applications and running UOJ on mobile devices. I got a debugger out and went through what is happening, it appears UOJ is using deprecated routines within java and writing invalid data to the udcs server. The deprecated routines are using the systems character encoding to convert 16bit java characters to 8bit bytes. As the host systems character encoding is variable thus different data will be sent to the server depending on what location and operating system is used. Roughly the uniobjects conversion routines grab the java system property file.encoding which is meant for reading and writing files and use it directly and indirectly to write data to the socket. Quick fix is on the java command line -Dfile.encoding=iso8859_1 Warning: once java program is running ie System.setProperty(file.encoding,iso8859_1) does not work as a bunch of system level stuff is cached on startup. The above quick fix has many bad side effects as the java process now has the wrong character encoding to read and write files on the local system and has caused me issues in third party libraries which expect to be able to read and write files correctly. ie my web server should be emitting utf8 for maximum compatibility but is putting out iso8859_1 for most files thanks to this quick fix It would be better for the rocket engineers to decide on a character encoding to talk to the server with and set it as a separate define(or hard code it maybe), according to oracle the basic encodings below should be available on most jvms : http://docs.oracle.com/javase/1.3/docs/guide/intl/encoding.doc.html ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list
[U2] Unable to create or attach the Printer Segment
From the DOS shell trying to launch uv on a new install of Universe and getting the message Unable to create or attach the Printer Segment what causes this? The install is on my local PC and I'm running the DOS shell on my local PC as well ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Universe Telnet Session Keep Alive
uvconfig in the uv home directory? Shot in the dark... On 12/14/11, Jason Lavetan jason.lave...@cooperbooth.com wrote: I meant a setting for Universe itself. I know there is a setting in UniAdmin, but is there a file some place that changes the Universe Telnet keep alive setting? Thanks, Jason Lavetan Sr. System Administrator 200 Lincoln West Drive Mountville, PA 17554 717-285-8000 ext. 154 800-992-0592 Fax: 717-285-8008 jason.lave...@cooperbooth.com www.cooperbooth.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Taylor Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:00 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Universe Telnet Session Keep Alive It's in later releases of Accuterm, if you're using Accuterm. Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: Jason Lavetan jason.lave...@cooperbooth.com To: U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:57 AM Subject: [U2] Universe Telnet Session Keep Alive Can anyone tell me if the Universe Telnet Keep Alive setting is anywhere else besides UniAdmin? Using Universe 10.1.23 on Windows Server 2008 r2 Thanks, Jason ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Sent from my mobile device John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
In today's modern world we have a luxury which is not being utilized. Depending on your audience, most people these days have access to cell phones, e-mail, web pages (even Facebook), etc. Rather than trying to get algorithms or employees to guess at which field is which, just let human beings modify their own data. Any company can publish a simple web page, a mobile app, a SMS app, or even an email form. With those media people can properly identify themselves for the company database. The data can be audited before getting posted to the database. [ad] I'll be happy to create such a solution for any company. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
I'm not disagreeing Tony, but when you put up a Pay Your Bill Online type page, for a general population, like say a county tax authority, you'll find that some people do it, most people don't. It takes a generation to adopt something like that, and the generation who is paying most of the bills (50 years and older) aren't particularly tech savvy, although the programmers in that generation might be. So you can fix some of the issues by allowing the population to fix their own name, but you'll end up fielding ten times more phone calls because they don't know how to turn off their shift key. -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 10:02 am Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name In today's modern world we have a luxury which is not being tilized. Depending on your audience, most people these days ave access to cell phones, e-mail, web pages (even Facebook), tc. Rather than trying to get algorithms or employees to guess t which field is which, just let human beings modify their own ata. Any company can publish a simple web page, a mobile app, a MS app, or even an email form. With those media people can roperly identify themselves for the company database. The data an be audited before getting posted to the database. [ad] I'll be happy to create such a solution for any company. Tony Gravagno ebula Research and Development G@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com emove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
Or you could use pre-packaged software to do it for you. I've used ParseRat http://www.guysoftware.com/parserat.htm for parsing report output and it worked really well - although the interface is getting extremely dated. Haven't tried it for names - but it would be way easier than reinventing the wheel Colin -Original Message- From: Bill Haskett As usual, one has to ask if the complexities involved in managing all potentialities ensures that the simplest, and by far the most usual, scenarios are at best difficult to implement. :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* symeon You need to do a proper lexical analysis in order to work these out For example Input : Dean Foster Lex: title word Input: Dean Reginald McGraw Lex: title word word Then set rules to say a lex of title word is probable worked out as forename surname and a lex of title word word is probably title forename surname you can assign probabilities against these and build some self learning in. It is a whole massive topic. -Original Message- From: Mecki Foerthmann And the list goes on and on and... That's why free form names are an absolute pain and should be avoided. It's so much easier to have Title, First Name(s), Last Name(s) fields in the input screen and keep them as separate attributes. You never get it 100% right. In your list take Dean or Prince for instance - they could be first names and not titles at all. A colleague of mine tried a last name upper to lower case conversion including Irish and Scottish names and out of Machine Co it made MacHine Co. And don't even ask what happened to last names starting with O.:-) On 14/12/2011 01:02, Charlie Noah wrote: Great start, but here is a longer list, although still nowhere near complete: Prefixes Code Description 1st Lt First Lieutenant Adm Admiral Atty Attorney Brother Brother (religious) Capt Captain ChiefChief Cmdr Commander Col Colonel Dean University Dean (includes Assistant and Associate) Dr Doctor (Medical or Educator) ElderElder (religious) Father Father (religious) Gen General Gov Governor Hon Honorable (Cabinet Officer, Commissioner, Congressman, Judge, etc.) Lt Col Lieutenant Colonel Maj Major MSgt Major/Master Sergeant Mr Mister Mrs Married Woman Ms Single or Married Woman Prince Prince Prof Professor (includes Assistant and Associate RabbiRabbi (religious) Rev Reverend (religious) Sister Sister (religious) Suffixes Code Description II The Second III The Third IV The Fourth VThe Fifth CPA Certified Public Accountant DDS Doctor of Dental Medicine Esq Esquire JD Jurist Doctor Jr Junior Jnr Junior (British) LLD Doctor of Laws MD Doctor of Medicine PhD Doctorate Ret Retired from Armed Forces RN Registered Nurse RPh Registered Pharmacist Sr Senior Snr Senior (British) DO Doctor of Osteopathy Perhaps others can add more to the list. Regards, Charlie Noah Tiny Bear's Wild Bird Store Everything For The Backyard Bird Enthusiast, Except For The Birds Info, Forum: http://www.TinyBearMarketing.com Store:http://Stores.TinyBearMarketing.com On 12-13-2011 5:12 PM, Wjhonson wrote: 0044: SUFFIXES = ,JR,SR,MD,III, 0045: S.NAME = DCOUNT(UM.NAME,' ') 0046: LAST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME) 0047: IF INDEX(SUFFIXES,,:LAST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0048: LAST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',S.NAME-1) 0049: END ELSE 0050: LAST.NAME = LAST.WORD.IN.NAME 0051: END 0052: PREFIXES = ',DR,MR,MS,MISS,MRS,' 0053: FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',1) 0054: IF INDEX(PREFIXES,,:FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME:,,1) THEN 0055: FIRST.NAME = FIELD(UM.NAME,' ',2) 0056: END ELSE 0057: FIRST.NAME = FIRST.WORD.IN.NAME 0058: END ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
Our problem in this area, is when you purchase a list or are given a list from a client and all they have is an excel file with full name. It would be nice to say, no, not good enough, but if they are paying you to do a mailing, it's kinda hard to turn them away! George Gallen Senior Programmer/Analyst Accounting/Data Division ggal...@wyanokegroup.com ph:856.848.9005 Ext 220 The Wyanoke Group http://www.wyanokegroup.com From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno [3xk547...@sneakemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:02 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name In today's modern world we have a luxury which is not being utilized. Depending on your audience, most people these days have access to cell phones, e-mail, web pages (even Facebook), etc. Rather than trying to get algorithms or employees to guess at which field is which, just let human beings modify their own data. Any company can publish a simple web page, a mobile app, a SMS app, or even an email form. With those media people can properly identify themselves for the company database. The data can be audited before getting posted to the database. [ad] I'll be happy to create such a solution for any company. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Uniobjects for Java and Domino 8
I've used both. There are syntax differences, especially with the UO,NET since it adheres to the CLR. Both libraries did what I needed. I don't know if UO,NET is a better solution, but it looks to me like it has been kept up-to-date better. I am interested in UOJ because of new capabilities in Domino. The 64-bit issue is going to become important. I guess my real question isn't just whether UOJ will continue to be supported, but will it be kept up with new technologies. Hi, If Rocket is not going to be updating / supporting the original UniObjects, we're looking at either creating a wrapper for UO.net, or using UOJ. UOJ is the obvious choice for us, since we're currently Domino-based, and Domino supports Java agents. However, I have the impression UO.net may be the better product. Are there any users on the list who have experience with both UOJ and UO.net? If so, would you be willing to share a quick assessment of their comparative value / quality? From looking through the manuals, it seems to me like UO.net has slightly more functionality out of the box, such as the native implementation of a data set class. Is that a valid assessment? And how do they compare in terms of quality? For example, the recent thread was going through issues with UOJ's character encoding. Are there similar (or worse) gotchas in UO.net? Thanks for any insights you care to share! Jim Stoner Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
On 14/12/11 16:30, Bill Haskett wrote: As usual, one has to ask if the complexities involved in managing all potentialities ensures that the simplest, and by far the most usual, scenarios are at best difficult to implement. :-( Bill The trouble is, even in the Anglo-Saxon world, what YOU think of as the norm is very different to what we think (for example, personally I've NEVER come across II, III, Jr, Snr over here apart from one instance of an expat American). And, still in the Anglo-Saxon world, I only have to travel 400 miles and I'm in a culture where apparently women keep their maiden name as a matter of course in marriage... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name
Unfortunately, these days I'm having a hard time thinking of anything normal in particular; Anglo-Saxon or not! :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* antli...@youngman.org.uk *To:* u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 12/14/2011 2:32 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Extract first and last name from free-form name On 14/12/11 16:30, Bill Haskett wrote: As usual, one has to ask if the complexities involved in managing all potentialities ensures that the simplest, and by far the most usual, scenarios are at best difficult to implement. :-( Bill The trouble is, even in the Anglo-Saxon world, what YOU think of as the norm is very different to what we think (for example, personally I've NEVER come across II, III, Jr, Snr over here apart from one instance of an expat American). And, still in the Anglo-Saxon world, I only have to travel 400 miles and I'm in a culture where apparently women keep their maiden name as a matter of course in marriage... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
