Re: [U2] [Windows]

2012-09-07 Thread dennis bartlett
Mighty impressive answer nevertheless... awesome! On 7 September 2012 11:47, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com wrote: Here are a number of ways to link a telnet client into UV back to its respective hostname. There's some redundancy here as not all commands work everywhere. OK, so as I

Re: [U2] [Windows]

2012-09-07 Thread Marc Harbeson
you could also do a reverse DNS (if its setup). On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I've discovered, for useful content on this thread, that using SYSTEM(42) I can return my IP address, and then, on the SERVER (doing DOS from Universe TCl command line) I can

Re: [U2] [Windows] (SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED)

2012-09-07 Thread David Wolverton
Worse, I know that on UniData, the IP address 'reported' back to the server is simply the first address from the IPCONFIG -- even if that address is non-routable to the server! Very annoying issue I've submitted to Rocket (actually, it was IBM at the time!) ... Not yet fixed to my knowledge.

Re: [U2] [Windows]

2012-09-07 Thread Wjhonson
The -o as I reported earlier only links it to the instantiating pid which is of course, much to my dismay, just the tl_service.exe not the actual pid of the tl_server.exe job. So every telnet session, on the -o reports the *same* pid. But in the tasklist of course they each have different

Re: [U2] [Windows]

2012-09-07 Thread Wjhonson
The server runs Universe, the clients telnet to that server, which responds Login, Password. So far pretty normal. Once you are *in* Universe, you can DOS and type Tasklist for example, where you get a list of all running tasks *on* *the* *server* not on your local PC of course. So far we're

Re: [U2] [Windows]

2012-09-07 Thread Wjhonson
nslookup returns some kind of error I'm not at that pc right now but at any rate, from what I gather this doesn't resolve to *a* device just to that entire company, site, sector or whatever it's called like joescompany.com not to joes PC on this desktop, versus joes pc across the room. I

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Wols Lists
On 07/09/12 03:19, Charles Stevenson wrote: A newbie stumped me: Why are Q-Pointers Q pointers ? The Q lingo comes from the dawning days of Pick. Why was the letter Q chosen? Attribute makes sense. Synonym makes sense. PQ for Prestored Query makes sense. PR for Proc

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Wjhonson
Early versions of Pick did not natively have a way to reference the Master Dictionary at all. That is, you could not open the master dictionary as a file because there was no reference to it, to use as the text handle against an OPEN. This is why the MD itself had a Q pointer called MD, which

Re: [U2] [Windows]

2012-09-07 Thread John Jenkins
If you are using device licensing, SYSTEM(51) has some useful information. Regards. JayJay Sent from my iPad On 7 Sep 2012, at 14:59, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The -o as I reported earlier only links it to the instantiating pid which is of course, much to my dismay, just the

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Allen E. Elwood
another plausible possibility was that after creating the q pointer, the file had new been Queued for usage. or perhaps the programmer that named it was hungry, and his wife was making Quiche that night. hmmm that made me hungry.! -Original Message- From:

Re: [U2] [Windows]

2012-09-07 Thread Wjhonson
This system entry is empty. -Original Message- From: John Jenkins u2g...@btinternet.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54 am Subject: Re: [U2] [Windows] If you are using device licensing, SYSTEM(51)

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread George Gallen
Or maybe you create a Quantum Leap from one account to another!?!? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 12:57 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2]

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Mecki Foerthmann
I guess it always depends on where you come from and what you know. I would say the account philosophy is much cleaner than having duplicate file pointers. And of course we have accounts in U2 too - it is the working directory. I have to admit I always hated to work on PI sites - it was not

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Wols Lists
On 07/09/12 18:28, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: I guess it always depends on where you come from and what you know. I would say the account philosophy is much cleaner than having duplicate file pointers. And of course we have accounts in U2 too - it is the working directory. I have to admit I

Re: [U2] [Windows]

2012-09-07 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: Wjhonson How can you tell what device, pc, user, ip, etc is *trying* to telnet before they have successfully logged into Universe ? That's the core problem layed out more clearly perhaps. The answer to this is in my detailed post. Since the users aren't logged-in, LISTU won't show the

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Mecki Foerthmann
I have no Idea what you are talking about. What is wrong with LOCATE A IN B SETTING C ? On 07/09/2012 20:44, Wols Lists wrote: On 07/09/12 18:28, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: I guess it always depends on where you come from and what you know. I would say the account philosophy is much cleaner than

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Wols Lists
On 07/09/12 21:44, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: I have no Idea what you are talking about. What is wrong with LOCATE A IN B SETTING C ? Except you've just given me a statement, and I was talking about the function :-) The syntax is something like LOCATE(A,B,1;C) although as I said, I might have

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Wjhonson
Much more compact -Original Message- From: Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:11 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer On 07/09/12 21:44, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: I have no Idea what you are talking about.

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Dan Goble
This comes from the PICK days where code had a 32k limit. I still code using it this way ( old habits are hard to break ) Dan Goble | Senior Systems Engineer Interline Brands, Inc. 804 East Gate Drive Suite 100, Mount Laurel, NJ 08054 Office: 856.533.3110 | Mobile: 609.792.6855 E-mail:

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread John Lorentz
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: On 07/09/12 21:44, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: I have no Idea what you are talking about. What is wrong with LOCATE A IN B SETTING C ? Except you've just given me a statement, and I was talking about the function :-) I

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Tony Gravagno
I do the exact opposite for exactly the same reasons. :) I use the Locate function rather than statement because I find it easier to read and 99% consistent across all platforms. T From: John Lorentz I fully believe that I've never used the function ever since they introduced it as an

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Charles Stevenson
True about not needing it on PI. But PI could have handled Q-pointers exactly how UV does today, if they had wanted to. Personally, I like having 1 F-Pointer and every other pointer a Q-pointer. Slightly less efficeint, but IMO more manageable. REPLACE and INSERT functions also allowed (still

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Charles Stevenson
The etymology question about Q has deteriorated into a PI vs Pick discussion. In the Pick User GoogleGroup, it's about words that rhyme with orange. No one has the definitive historical answer? I thought maybe our resident historian, Dawn Wolthuis, would notice my dawning days of Pick

Re: [U2] [Windows]

2012-09-07 Thread Wjhonson
The cscript below echos to the screen the list of PIDs only. Nothing else. So it doesn't get any closer to solving the problem. -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [U2]

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Charlie Noah
I agree, Tony. The only time I use the statement is if I need to start a locate at something other than element 1 (to step through each matching element) or to locate multiple elements with the located value. Here's an example: * * Method of using LOCATE to find multiple occurrences of value

Re: [U2] [Windows]

2012-09-07 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: Wjhonson The cscript below echos to the screen the list of PIDs only. Nothing else. So it doesn't get any closer to solving the problem. Now you're facing a permissions issue or some other system-specific detail. I wouldn't have posted without testing and on my system it works. You need

Re: [U2] Etymology of Q-Pointer

2012-09-07 Thread Wols Lists
On 07/09/12 23:14, Charles Stevenson wrote: True about not needing it on PI. But PI could have handled Q-pointers exactly how UV does today, if they had wanted to. Personally, I like having 1 F-Pointer and every other pointer a Q-pointer. Slightly less efficeint, but IMO more manageable.