RE: [U2] Estimating Timelines

2008-03-10 Thread Barry Rogen
I have found the double principle always works quite well and ends ups accurate enough to keep all parties satisfied. Do all your research, planning, etc and finally take that bottom line number and double it. So, if you say a project will take 5 working days to complete, present it as a 10 day

RE: [U2] Estimating Timelines {Unclassified}

2008-03-10 Thread Charles_Shaffer
Several years ago I worked for a Consulting firm that gave weekly classes on job estimation. What you are calling the client factor, they called the confidence factor. It is real and very useful. And then, you have the client factor, as in * Work out a rough estimate *

RE: [U2] INCLUDE weirdo

2008-03-10 Thread Charles_Shaffer
You think that's old. When I started out, all we had were sticks and stone knives to cut notches in them. You do realise that you are showing U2 to be a sport of the pre-historic? My first experience with computers was paper tape. Version control was performed with a pencil on the leader of

RE: [U2] OT: Was include [not-secure]

2008-03-10 Thread Hennessey, Mark F.
snip You think that's old. When I started out, all we had were sticks and stone knives to cut notches in them. /snip Ah, yes Gray (hair)'s Code. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/

RE: [U2] INCLUDE weirdo

2008-03-10 Thread Tim Stokes
I would not say pre-historic. Those items mentioned are not that far removed. Remember how quickly vinyl left the shelves when CDs came into being. You do realize that you are showing U2 to be a sport of the pre-historic? / --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Brian Leach
Kevin That's not a full lifecycle test - which is where the casing difference really comes in. If you want to set a test, have the two groups scan through reams of unfamiliar code, make sense of it, identify the bits to change and only then do the changes. That's where the benefit lies. Though I

Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Kevin King
Bill, I followed you until this: * Upper case is an anachronism and should be treated as such rather than defended. It is unwieldy for far too many and, in fact, interferes with efficient typing at every turn. Forcing people to use [Caps Lock] in U2 while all other used applications require

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Jerry Banker
I started to write this many times and each time it went against what my Mama always said, If you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all. Yes, I know that was also said it Bambi but it was around long before the movie. Mixed case programming is a relatively new way of programming

Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Kevin King
I understand your point Brian. So what do we do with the situation where upper case is actually more readable to me and yet less readable to you? How do we rationalize such a dichotomy? -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Brian Leach
Kevin We - 1. Accept that the list is populated by long-term professionals whose opinions aren't going to be changed. 2. Accept that this is a learning and familiarity issue. 3. Do everything we can to promote best practice in legibility regardless of case. 4. Ensure that all learning

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Mike Farrant
I've not followed all this thread (in fact I only have the last few entries), but I think both camps have a point. I get frustrated turning CAPS on and off and if I were to sit and count the amount of times I press the CAPS-LOCK key I'd be completely amazed. I've been working with PICK on PC

Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Jeff Schasny
To paraphrase the ABATE folks: Let those who code decide. Unless I can get Donald Knuth to chime in on the subject (not likely since he stopped using email in 1990) I doubt that any of us are going to change each others minds. Especially the dinosaurs (used lovingly, and I include myself).

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread dsig
as I don't believe anything is unequivocal i will leave that for you all to argue over For me .. i find mixed case much easier to read and review. I attempt to follow humpBack or camelBack as my prefered method of typing but not a mandate. The system i work on mostly is an

Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Mats Carlid
Mike Farrant skrev: snip--- PS I find unix irritating that it does not recognise LS when I mean ls or CP when I mean cp - how hard can it be to have both cases valid for such a small command set? Not hard at all really: Put the following commands in Your environment file file: alias

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Jerry Banker
If you ever want a scare then go through the programs in the Universe BP file. Some are upper case program lines with mixed case comments and prompts, the way I prefer it, some are all lower case, some are mixed case, and some are a mixture of all types. In the latter it appears that whomever was

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Robert Houben
I've been listening to this with a mix of amusement and sympathy. I've been doing integration work between (originally DOS) and PICK since the early 80's, and have found myself shifting between C/C++/C#/Java/Other and PICK on a regular basis. I've come to accept that most of my customers want

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread dsig
I am not sure that is a good argument .. a simple 15-20 line program FIND will convert all to upper case and do a search that way. DSig David Tod Sigafoos SigsSolutions, Inc. Original Message Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case From:

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Eric Armstrong
Along with Robert I also took Typing (along with football, tennis, soccer) in High School and am glad I did. Eric -Original Message- From: Robert Houben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 10:24 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Symeon Breen
Also most modern editors allow a case insensitive search - wintegrate editor and unidebugger do at least ! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2008 18:48 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2]

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Jerry Banker
I was not trying to offend anyone with that remark but back in the day typing was something that girls took and boys took shop. It was a fact not an accusation. Although I think it would have been a great asset for me today at the time it was hard enough trying to get through all of the social

Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Susan Lynch
Jerry, no offence taken here - I was in an all-girls college-prep high school, and the nuns refused to offer typing to the honors-track girls on the theory that we were not headed for secretarial jobs. My mother, bright woman that she was, decided that I would need to be able to type my

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Charles_Shaffer
Typing and speed reading. Really came in handy too. BTW, to the comment about straight guys not taking typing: Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Robert Houben
No offence taken. I got your point. I was just pointing out that some boys saw benefits courses like typing! :) I think we took it for reasons that were a bit unusual, but it sure worked out in the long run! BTW, my sister was the first girl to break into shop along with a friend of hers at

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Brenda Price
Do they even teach typing in school these day? My 15 year old daughter (who has had access to a computer since she was 2) is a fast 2 figure typist. I keep trying to get her to learn touch typing like I was taught in high school and college to no avail! She doesn't see the need for it!

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Bill Haskett
Brenda: Did you ever see the Jay Leno skit with two green-eyeshade gentlemen sending each other a message via morse-code verses two of the best college text messagers? Green-eyeshaders won hands down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhsSgcsTMd4 Sometimes old is good! :-) Bill -Original

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Jerry Banker
You should have seen what happened when my daughter decided to take Auto Shop. The instructors blood pressure must have nearly doubled when he found out he had a girl in his class. And that was just 8 years ago. Jerry Banker -Original Message- From: Robert Houben [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Larry Hiscock
Back in MY day, boys took shop in Jr. High (and girls took Home Ec). By the time I was in high school, the only boys in shop classes were the Vocational Ed students. Typing was recommended for college prep students of both genders, in order to become proficient at typing term papers. -

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Larry Hiscock
They teach the 21st century equivalent -- keyboarding. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Price Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:15 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case Do they even

RE: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Bill Haskett
Kevin: Sorry if I offended in any way; that was not my intention. I learned to type in high school. Typing got me a cushy job in the military. It got me extra money through college. When one learns to type two characteristics stand out; hands rest on the keyboard and eyes are generally

[U2] [UV] odd write failure in 10.2.7

2008-03-10 Thread John Hester
I'm testing a new RH ES 5.0 server running UV 10.2.7, and I'm getting an odd error message on a write to a file: -- Found buffer on freechain that is marked as in use. Possible file corruption can be fixed with RESIZE. Program PGMWB0001: Line 2977, WRITE failure. -- There is nothing

Re: [U2] blank lines in code / mixed case

2008-03-10 Thread Ron Walenciak
In our school, seniors had a mandatory half year drivers ed followed by a mandatory half year of typing. I've been thankful for that ever since :) That's all history now; budget cuts eliminated driver's ed a long time ago, and typing is now back to a secretarial thing. Ron - Original

Re: [U2] [UV] odd write failure in 10.2.7

2008-03-10 Thread Kevin King
Any triggers on the file? On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 7:00 PM, John Hester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm testing a new RH ES 5.0 server running UV 10.2.7, and I'm getting an odd error message on a write to a file: -- Found buffer on freechain that is marked as in use. Possible file