Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
On 09/09/11 20:53, Wjhonson wrote: By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. That could easily be true of any BASIC programmer who learnt on Primes. Actually, that sounds almost certainly like that's the case, seeing as PAragraphs first appeared on Prime, specifically as the replacement for PROC. INFORMATION only (officially) got PROC when it was already on its death bed ... iirc the last version ever released was 8.1, and the first version with PROC was 8.0. Certainly I've never been near the thing - never really encountered it although I did know of its existence. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
could be someone who learned on unidata too. unidata supports proc, but there doesn't appear to be a manual for it (If anyone has one, can I get a copy?). If you were doing new development on unidata, you may easily never have seen a proc. On Sep 13, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Wols Lists wrote: On 09/09/11 20:53, Wjhonson wrote: By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. That could easily be true of any BASIC programmer who learnt on Primes. Actually, that sounds almost certainly like that's the case, seeing as PAragraphs first appeared on Prime, specifically as the replacement for PROC. INFORMATION only (officially) got PROC when it was already on its death bed ... iirc the last version ever released was 8.1, and the first version with PROC was 8.0. Certainly I've never been near the thing - never really encountered it although I did know of its existence. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
I heard he was the first to use RTFM!. Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com 9/9/2011 10:07 AM I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment Was quite severe at the time.. (borderline humor) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:07 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
If he used a GOTO, he got off easy... From: ggal...@wyanokegroup.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:09:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment Was quite severe at the time.. (borderline humor) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:07 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
Read The Father's Manual? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Robert Porter Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:09 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers I heard he was the first to use RTFM!. Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com 9/9/2011 10:07 AM I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use the Information for my own Spirit as well. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember __**_ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/**mailman/listinfo/u2-usershttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
:) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use the Information for my own Spirit as well. --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
AMEN -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:01 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use the Information for my own Spirit as well. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember __**_ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/**mailman/listinfo/u2-usershttp://listserver .u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
See added text at the end (...) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use the Information for my own Spirit as well, (while I'm still in my Prime). --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
That was pretty good, Dawn! John Israel Senior Programmer/Analyst Dayton Superior Corporation 1125 Byers Road Miamisburg, OHÂ 45342 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use the Information for my own Spirit as well. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember __**_ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/**mailman/listinfo/u2-usershttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling in some hardware would give us more terrific words, Prime (Pr1me) being near and dear to my heart. Other words from the Family Tree poster are Climax, GIRLS, ... so I can see this deteriorating if we expand the VOC (rhymes with folk ;-) too much. cheers! --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:05 AM, George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.comwrote: See added text at the end (...) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:01 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Wow, what a Revelation! Are you saying he worked on the entire Cosmos? He must have been Ardent to Pick the Ultimate project, related to all of Reality, and stick with the whole Enterprise. The designer of the Universe must really have some Cache' so I would like him to Mentor me as I could use the Information for my own Spirit as well, (while I'm still in my Prime). --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also software? Nice little machine... I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling in some hardware would give us more terrific words. cheers! --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Slow or tired of striving, one of the two... On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:28 PM, George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.comwrote: I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also software? Nice little machine... I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling in some hardware would give us more terrific words. cheers! --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
Wasn't Spirit the one with a natural language query processor? I remember a friend who was testing natural language and asked What are the wages of sin?, to which the computer promptly responded $46.50 per hour. It turns out there was an employee named John Sinn who earned, you guessed it, $46.50 per hour. I may have gotten the amount wrong, but you get the idea. Memory is the first thing to go! Charlie Noah On 09-09-2011 11:28 AM, George Gallen wrote: I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also software? Nice little machine... I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling in some hardware would give us more terrific words. cheers! --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Not only did he use the first Go To, but also the first Return To ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
That latest visit I mentioned was all about addressing the GOTO problem. The updated manual has the vendor-authorized method of avoiding GOTOs. On 9/9/2011 10:09 AM, George Gallen wrote: He must have used a GOTO in his design however, and the punishment Was quite severe at the time.. (borderline humor) -Original Message- From: Charles Stevenson I heard he designed and implemented the original Universe. He left a rather hefty manual. It was updated after his last visit. On 9/9/2011 8:23 AM, Glenn Sallis wrote: I guess he must be freelance. Am 09.09.2011 15:21, schrieb George Gallen: That JC programmer must work in a lot of placesbecause I hear lot's Of people calling for him, at all hours of the day! -Original Message- From: Phil Walker Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:33 PM PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Ardent programmers
You are right, I think, but what was I thinking? They are in yellow boxes in my diagram, so I seem not to have normalized my data. Hmmm. I was being so anal at the time. Does anyone know if the yellow boxes in the Reality stream here were what folks at Microdata called the software or were just hardware? http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/MVFamilyTreeColor.pdf Thanks. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM, George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.comwrote: I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also software? Nice little machine... I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling in some hardware would give us more terrific words. cheers! --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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The Sequel was followed by the Super Sequel which tested, at the time, the boundary of moving from say 96 users up to 192 users. The Spirit was something like the striped down version of the Sequel for those who didn't want or need or couldn't afford the Sequel. It wasn't a viable option for Sequel users to move to the Spirit, it was more the attempt to get into the smaller marketplace where you only needed 24 ports or thereabouts. By the way the Super Sequel was three refrigerators, side by side. ADP sold-in the Sequel, super Sequel and Spirit all three. I don't really know what kind of traction they got with the Spirit. That was right about the time when they *suddenly* had 20 competitors in the same space. Is there a way to make your picture bigger? By the way I don't think Data General ever installed software from Pick and Company, but they did load Universe on several boxes. I wonder if there's a way to indicate that sort of distinction in your map? I want to say that DG didn't get into Pick until around 1990, but I'm not certain of exactly the year. So if I'm right, they didn't come in with the hyenas under R83 -Original Message- From: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:58 am Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers You are right, I think, but what was I thinking? They are in yellow boxes in y diagram, so I seem not to have normalized my data. Hmmm. I was being so nal at the time. Does anyone know if the yellow boxes in the Reality stream ere were what folks at Microdata called the software or were just ardware? http://www.tincat-group.com/mv/MVFamilyTreeColor.pdf Thanks. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM, George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.comwrote: I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also software? Nice little machine... I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling in some hardware would give us more terrific words. cheers! --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- awn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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By the way, the Sequoia system wasn't quite called mvEnterprise quite so early as you're showing (seems to be 1995 ish). It was still being called just Sequoia. I'm wondering if the odd name-change didn't occur until the company collapsed ? I mean there's no reason to try to distinguish mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into a single company right? -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers he Sequel was followed by the Super Sequel which tested, at the time, the oundary of moving from say 96 users up to 192 users. he Spirit was something like the striped down version of the Sequel for those ho didn't want or need or couldn't afford the Sequel. t wasn't a viable option for Sequel users to move to the Spirit, it was more he attempt to get into the smaller marketplace where you only needed 24 ports r thereabouts. By the way the Super Sequel was three refrigerators, side by side. DP sold-in the Sequel, super Sequel and Spirit all three. I don't really know hat kind of traction they got with the Spirit. hat was right about the time when they *suddenly* had 20 competitors in the ame space. Is there a way to make your picture bigger? y the way I don't think Data General ever installed software from Pick and ompany, but they did load Universe on several boxes. wonder if there's a way to indicate that sort of distinction in your map? I want to say that DG didn't get into Pick until around 1990, but I'm not ertain of exactly the year. o if I'm right, they didn't come in with the hyenas under R83 -Original Message- rom: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:58 am ubject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers ou are right, I think, but what was I thinking? They are in yellow boxes in diagram, so I seem not to have normalized my data. Hmmm. I was being so al at the time. Does anyone know if the yellow boxes in the Reality stream re were what folks at Microdata called the software or were just rdware? ttp://www.tincat-group.com/mv/MVFamilyTreeColor.pdf hanks. --dawn n Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM, George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.comwrote: I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also software? Nice little machine... I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling in some hardware would give us more terrific words. cheers! --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - wn M. Wolthuis ake and give some delight today _ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Good questions Will. When I moved 8 years ago, I had one of these posters with all of the very detailed tidbits that people gave me to correct it. I lost that in the move and haven't dived back into it -- too many projects going! Yes, I think I recall thinking that DG was later but that there was no way to show it as a port without putting it in this list that did not really conform to my initial purpose of tracing the mv query language from origin through to today. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: By the way, the Sequoia system wasn't quite called mvEnterprise quite so early as you're showing (seems to be 1995 ish). It was still being called just Sequoia. I'm wondering if the odd name-change didn't occur until the company collapsed ? I mean there's no reason to try to distinguish mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into a single company right? -Original Message- From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers he Sequel was followed by the Super Sequel which tested, at the time, the oundary of moving from say 96 users up to 192 users. he Spirit was something like the striped down version of the Sequel for those ho didn't want or need or couldn't afford the Sequel. t wasn't a viable option for Sequel users to move to the Spirit, it was more he attempt to get into the smaller marketplace where you only needed 24 ports r thereabouts. By the way the Super Sequel was three refrigerators, side by side. DP sold-in the Sequel, super Sequel and Spirit all three. I don't really know hat kind of traction they got with the Spirit. hat was right about the time when they *suddenly* had 20 competitors in the ame space. Is there a way to make your picture bigger? y the way I don't think Data General ever installed software from Pick and ompany, but they did load Universe on several boxes. wonder if there's a way to indicate that sort of distinction in your map? I want to say that DG didn't get into Pick until around 1990, but I'm not ertain of exactly the year. o if I'm right, they didn't come in with the hyenas under R83 -Original Message- rom: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com o: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org ent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 11:58 am ubject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers ou are right, I think, but what was I thinking? They are in yellow boxes in diagram, so I seem not to have normalized my data. Hmmm. I was being so al at the time. Does anyone know if the yellow boxes in the Reality stream re were what folks at Microdata called the software or were just rdware? ttp://www.tincat-group.com/mv/MVFamilyTreeColor.pdf hanks. --dawn n Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:28 AM, George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com wrote: I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also software? Nice little machine... I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling in some hardware would give us more terrific words. cheers! --dawn ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - wn M. Wolthuis ake and give some delight today _ -Users mailing list -us...@listserver.u2ug.org tp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Gotta luv correlatives! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 3:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world. Even now I have not purposely ever looked at a proc. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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You haven't missed much. Be thankful you have never had to look at a PROC. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.comwrote: Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world. Even now I have not purposely ever looked at a proc. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Ah, but how many of them can still write PQ procs ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers You haven't missed much. Be thankful you have never had to look at a PROC. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.comwrote: Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world. Even now I have not purposely ever looked at a proc. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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George Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code? I thought it was short for Proctology. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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It's no coincidence that proctology starts with PROC ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 1:17 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of John Thompson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers You haven't missed much. Be thankful you have never had to look at a PROC. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.comwrote: Oh, I can find a whole slug of 'em among the Datatel customer base. I did not know what a proc was until I peeked out into the larger MV world. Even now I have not purposely ever looked at a proc. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- John Thompson ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I really don't know what you guys are complaining about. My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written entirely in RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one) Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL. http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/rpl-computer-language-by-smi/4hmquk6fx4gu/715# No it's not the third buffer position of stack 6 it's the sixth buffer position of stack 3 !! Push push push pop add one switch push pop take three chars copy copy push pop ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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The simple stuff wasn't badit was when you had to involve the correlatives where It started to get cryptic. I started with PQN level. I equated Procs to MSDOS batch files. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of charles_shaf...@ntn-bower.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 4:31 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers George Doesn't PROC mean Painfull Reading Of Code? I thought it was short for Proctology. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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That's right Tony, but my point was only that it was not *called* mvEnterprise in the mid 90s like Dawn's chart would imply. (Where it's just called mvEnterprise with no predecessor name.) -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:32 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers From: Wjhonson I mean there's no reason to try to distinguish mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into a single company right? mvEnterprise is a Unix-based platform derived from Sequoia. vBase is a Windows-based platform derived from ADDS. hey're VERY different, though of course still rooted in R83. Both platforms are now owned by TigerLogic, and despite early oncerns about deprecation and forced migration, the platforms ave been well supported for more than 10 years since the cquisition from General Automation. As an aside, I've been LOLing at the lighter notes in this hread. Thanks folks. Final Note: my recent blogs discuss retrofitting code for GUI, ndroid development, advanced Excel reporting, and more. See ink below. Thanks. Tony Gravagno ebula Research and Development G@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com ebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products orldwide, and provides related development services emove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog isit PickWiki.com! Contribute! ttp://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I can still read and write both PQ and PQN (OK, I'm old). In eons past it was possible on Microdata to write an entire database app, with file reads and writes - not that I would want to (I'm cantankerous, not masochistic, suicidal or stupid). I wouldn't even want to convert one to Basic anymore, too much head scratching and I don't have all that much hair left. Gotta love paragraphs - there's a lot of power there and they're much easier to understand and maintain. Charlie Noah On 09-09-2011 3:15 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote: Ah, but how many of them can still write PQ procs ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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This explains a lot, my friend! ;^) On 09-09-2011 3:29 PM, Wjhonson wrote: I really don't know what you guys are complaining about. My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written entirely in RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one) Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL. http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/rpl-computer-language-by-smi/4hmquk6fx4gu/715# No it's not the third buffer position of stack 6 it's the sixth buffer position of stack 3 !! Push push push pop add one switch push pop take three chars copy copy push pop ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems. They heavily modified it. I think they did, or at least TRIED to market something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub license scheme to other vendors. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Love it -- I could have used this story last year, but I'm guessing there will be another occasion. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Charlie Noah cwn...@comcast.net wrote: Wasn't Spirit the one with a natural language query processor? I remember a friend who was testing natural language and asked What are the wages of sin?, to which the computer promptly responded $46.50 per hour. It turns out there was an employee named John Sinn who earned, you guessed it, $46.50 per hour. I may have gotten the amount wrong, but you get the idea. Memory is the first thing to go! Charlie Noah On 09-09-2011 11:28 AM, George Gallen wrote: I was thinking Spirit was the McDonnell Douglass Equipment - Was it also software? Nice little machine... I'm also guessing, it's a slow Friday! -Original Message- From: u2-users-bounces@listserver.**u2ug.orgu2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org[mailto: u2-users-bounces@**listserver.u2ug.orgu2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:15 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Oh good catch -- I was using only words of the actual products, but pulling in some hardware would give us more terrific words. cheers! --dawn __**_ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/**mailman/listinfo/u2-usershttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __**_ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/**mailman/listinfo/u2-usershttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled mvEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems. They heavily modified it. I think they did, or at least TRIED to market something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub license scheme to other vendors. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I just don't think Sequoia ever called it mvEnterprise That was my point :) That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta. -Original Message- From: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems. They heavily modified it. I think they did, or at least TRIED to market something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub license scheme to other vendors. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- awn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I really don't know what you guys are complaining about. My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written entirely in RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one) Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL. My first PICK environment used RPL on a Vax with the add-in board. Ahh, just thinking about it makes me break out in a cold sweat. Padding the code with no ops to avoid crossing a page boundary. The equates didn't work quite right, so you were stuck with the %1, 1 variables. Assembly language looked real good after that. Charles Shaffer Senior Analyst NTN-Bower Corporation Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com Sent by: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org 09/09/2011 03:29 PM Please respond to U2 Users List To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org cc: Subject:Re: [U2] Ardent programmers I really don't know what you guys are complaining about. My first career position was maintaining and enhancing a system written entirely in RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one) Proc is like eating cake compared to RPL. http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/rpl-computer-language-by-smi/4hmquk6fx4gu/715# No it's not the third buffer position of stack 6 it's the sixth buffer position of stack 3 !! Push push push pop add one switch push pop take three chars copy copy push pop ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I started out with Reality and remember the first training courses well. During the four day slog when the trainer reached the section on PROC he just said PQN, thats all you need to know about proc and we moved onto the next topic! Still I can understand and write PROC, it is a necessity when you have customers whose systems have been written to rely so heavily on it. Have a great weekend folks. Glenn Am 09.09.2011 22:39, schrieb Charlie Noah: I can still read and write both PQ and PQN (OK, I'm old). In eons past it was possible on Microdata to write an entire database app, with file reads and writes - not that I would want to (I'm cantankerous, not masochistic, suicidal or stupid). I wouldn't even want to convert one to Basic anymore, too much head scratching and I don't have all that much hair left. Gotta love paragraphs - there's a lot of power there and they're much easier to understand and maintain. Charlie Noah On 09-09-2011 3:15 PM, Larry Hiscock wrote: Ah, but how many of them can still write PQ procs ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:53 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers By the way, I today, for the first time in my career, encountered a seasoned Pick BASIC programmer, conversant with Paragraphs, but who did not know what Proc was. Never heard of it. It only took 20 years of trying to make Proc die I guess ;) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows into TigerLogic. There was a ton of information to try to capture and there was likely a better way to show this. Thanks for any tips on anything either inaccurate or not clear. This could obviously be much better and is now a almost a decade old. Cache' isn't even on it and that's the product I'm using! --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I just don't think Sequoia ever called it mvEnterprise That was my point :) That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta. -Original Message- From: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems. They heavily modified it. I think they did, or at least TRIED to market something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub license scheme to other vendors. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- awn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Extend it into the 2000s! That's what's missing. The great mergers -Original Message- From: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows nto TigerLogic. There was a ton of information to try to capture and there as likely a better way to show this. Thanks for any tips on anything ither inaccurate or not clear. This could obviously be much better and is ow a almost a decade old. Cache' isn't even on it and that's the product 'm using! --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I just don't think Sequoia ever called it mvEnterprise That was my point :) That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta. -Original Message- From: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems. They heavily modified it. I think they did, or at least TRIED to market something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub license scheme to other vendors. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- awn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- awn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Yeah man, of course. I'm working a few projects, moving slower than molasses, happy to take in info for an update but it it not yet to top of priorities. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Extend it into the 2000s! That's what's missing. The great mergers -Original Message- From: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows nto TigerLogic. There was a ton of information to try to capture and there as likely a better way to show this. Thanks for any tips on anything ither inaccurate or not clear. This could obviously be much better and is ow a almost a decade old. Cache' isn't even on it and that's the product 'm using! --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I just don't think Sequoia ever called it mvEnterprise That was my point :) That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta. -Original Message- From: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems. They heavily modified it. I think they did, or at least TRIED to market something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub license scheme to other vendors. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- awn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- awn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Both Sequoia and Stratus licensed Pick OA to sell on their fault-tolerant systems and ran with it in different directions. Sequoia ran a little farther :) Sequoia ran their pick on top of their proprietary TOPIX operating system and Stratus ran theirs on top of their VOS os. Sequoia eventually sold to GA but Stratus abandoned their pick around 1995 and started selling their fault-tolerant hardware with HP/UX and universe. Pick 64 was a native pick from Alpha Microsystems. Sequoia may have bought it--I don't know. There was a Sequoia Pro product. The first time I heard the mvEnterprise name was in 1997. At that point GA had rebranded Sequoia (now running on AIX) as mvEnterprise, and the ADDS Mentor successor running on windows nt as mvBase, and Pick 64 as mvPro. I think the mvBase name may have existed before GA bought the database from Sun River (who bought ADDS from NCR I think, and kept the terminal business but didn't want the database). The rebranding didn't include their Power95 database (also running on AIX) and I had the impression that they were phasing it out (though there are still power95 users out there). GA also has a hardware line named mv.ES (Enterprise Server) On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Wjhonson wrote: Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems. They heavily modified it. I think they did, or at least TRIED to market something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub license scheme to other vendors. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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mvEnterprise doesn't require any support :) It just runs and runs. On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote: From: Wjhonson I mean there's no reason to try to distinguish mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into a single company right? mvEnterprise is a Unix-based platform derived from Sequoia. mvBase is a Windows-based platform derived from ADDS. They're VERY different, though of course still rooted in R83. Both platforms are now owned by TigerLogic, and despite early concerns about deprecation and forced migration, the platforms have been well supported for more than 10 years since the acquisition from General Automation. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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yes Include Cache. And Stratus too please, though I think I may have been one of only 5 or 6 people who actually used it. On Sep 9, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Dawn Wolthuis wrote: Right, it does not have Sequoia under it when it has that name, it flows into TigerLogic. There was a ton of information to try to capture and there was likely a better way to show this. Thanks for any tips on anything either inaccurate or not clear. This could obviously be much better and is now a almost a decade old. Cache' isn't even on it and that's the product I'm using! --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I just don't think Sequoia ever called it mvEnterprise That was my point :) That it wasn't renamed until after Sequoia was defuncta. -Original Message- From: Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers I think from OA to SequoiaPro to mvEnterprise. You can see that I bled vEnterprise into the border. It is just a long word. --dawn On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Here it is. Sequoia ran Open Architecture from Pick Systems. They heavily modified it. I think they did, or at least TRIED to market something called Pick 64 under their own license, or some kind of sub sub license scheme to other vendors. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- awn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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And then at some point, when a part fails, it tries to call Sequoia to send a tech to fix itself. It doesn't know how to handle the message The phone number you've reached has been disconnected All sad face. -Original Message- From: Ed Clark u...@edclark.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers mvEnterprise doesn't require any support :) It just runs and runs. On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote: From: Wjhonson I mean there's no reason to try to distinguish mvEnterprise from mvBase until you're all folded into a single company right? mvEnterprise is a Unix-based platform derived from Sequoia. mvBase is a Windows-based platform derived from ADDS. They're VERY different, though of course still rooted in R83. Both platforms are now owned by TigerLogic, and despite early concerns about deprecation and forced migration, the platforms have been well supported for more than 10 years since the acquisition from General Automation. ___ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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From: Wjhonson http://knol.google.com/k/will-johnson/... That page misses the important facts that RPL is still actively sold, maintained, and used today in active application development. RPL (the one from SMI, not that other one) For historical reference, that was RPL+ licensed by R-Computer. From: Charles Shaffer ...Padding the code with no ops to avoid crossing a page boundary. LOL again today - Charles you may be interested to hear that the exact same fix was re-implemented within the last few weeks. Some software bugs are like cicada bugs, they come back every 17 years or so. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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In my copy of Acct.Stat.B the following programmer initials dating from 1992 to 2000 PVW, WLC, AGM, JC, DJD, PEJ, SAP, DSM, LKS anyone have long names ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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PVW is me Phil Walker DSM might be David Meeks WLC is probably Wendy Cleary JC Jesus Christ ;-) Others cannot remember -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Friday, 9 September 2011 12:26 p.m. To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Ardent programmers In my copy of Acct.Stat.B the following programmer initials dating from 1992 to 2000 PVW, WLC, AGM, JC, DJD, PEJ, SAP, DSM, LKS anyone have long names ? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
