Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 ..?
All I can say is ... Ewww. Packaging stinks everywhere, but that does look tremendously frustrating. On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: Almost all my frustrations are with Microsoft. Over half the development I did last year was simply handling differences between Win7x64 and previous versions.. which in turn meant upgrading my development platforms (Delphi and .Net) and dealing with THEIR backward incompatibilities, spending stupid amounts on new installation software to rebuild all my setups and discovering that they were also not backward compatible with regard to the plug-in DLLs I needed (and the first one I bought ONLY worked on Win7 and not on XP, as I discovered too late), and then changing my licensing routines and where I install data .. did you know that there is actually now NO place in Windows 7 where you can officially install updatable files that can be shared between users without breaking UAC? All of which has taken months of my time that should have been better spent on improving the products, not hitting my head against whatever walls Microsoft keeps raising. So compared to that, it's nice to have at least one platform (U2) that remains relatively stable! Rant over .. for now. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lettau, Jeff Sent: 18 February 2011 18:43 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Yes, it appears to me that the issue I experienced was related to updated security in win2008, not in unidata. I've also noticed that every upgrade breaks something. Sometimes you get lucky and things run for 10 years, then one day, BAM! A program stops working after you upgrade the database. It's the nature of the job. Things change. Things break. Things need to be fixed. That is what testing is for. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 ..?
Almost all my frustrations are with Microsoft. Over half the development I did last year was simply handling differences between Win7x64 and previous versions.. which in turn meant upgrading my development platforms (Delphi and .Net) and dealing with THEIR backward incompatibilities, spending stupid amounts on new installation software to rebuild all my setups and discovering that they were also not backward compatible with regard to the plug-in DLLs I needed (and the first one I bought ONLY worked on Win7 and not on XP, as I discovered too late), and then changing my licensing routines and where I install data .. did you know that there is actually now NO place in Windows 7 where you can officially install updatable files that can be shared between users without breaking UAC? All of which has taken months of my time that should have been better spent on improving the products, not hitting my head against whatever walls Microsoft keeps raising. So compared to that, it's nice to have at least one platform (U2) that remains relatively stable! Rant over .. for now. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lettau, Jeff Sent: 18 February 2011 18:43 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Yes, it appears to me that the issue I experienced was related to updated security in win2008, not in unidata. I've also noticed that every upgrade breaks something. Sometimes you get lucky and things run for 10 years, then one day, BAM! A program stops working after you upgrade the database. It's the nature of the job. Things change. Things break. Things need to be fixed. That is what testing is for. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 ..?
Ahh you see i left all that far behind - i only write web apps now, so i only need to check that it works in ie5, ie7, ie8, ie9, chrome, safari, firefox erm oh maybe i have not left it far behind ;) From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: 19 February 2011 13:07 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 ..? Almost all my frustrations are with Microsoft. Over half the development I did last year was simply handling differences between Win7x64 and previous versions.. which in turn meant upgrading my development platforms (Delphi and .Net) and dealing with THEIR backward incompatibilities, spending stupid amounts on new installation software to rebuild all my setups and discovering that they were also not backward compatible with regard to the plug-in DLLs I needed (and the first one I bought ONLY worked on Win7 and not on XP, as I discovered too late), and then changing my licensing routines and where I install data .. did you know that there is actually now NO place in Windows 7 where you can officially install updatable files that can be shared between users without breaking UAC? All of which has taken months of my time that should have been better spent on improving the products, not hitting my head against whatever walls Microsoft keeps raising. So compared to that, it's nice to have at least one platform (U2) that remains relatively stable! Rant over .. for now. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lettau, Jeff Sent: 18 February 2011 18:43 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Yes, it appears to me that the issue I experienced was related to updated security in win2008, not in unidata. I've also noticed that every upgrade breaks something. Sometimes you get lucky and things run for 10 years, then one day, BAM! A program stops working after you upgrade the database. It's the nature of the job. Things change. Things break. Things need to be fixed. That is what testing is for. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3452 - Release Date: 02/18/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
I had to redo the FTP scripts when we moved to 7.2 on a 64bit box due to the security of Windows. I had to go from a batch file that called a txt file for the commands to a single batch file that executed all of the commands. I enter this text in a .bat file and just call it from the paragraph. Nothing fancy. The trick is that the batch file is making the DAT file so there are no windows security issues. @echo off echo user YOURUSERNAME ftpcmd.dat echo YOUPASSWORD ftpcmd.dat echo bin ftpcmd.dat echo put E:\tmp\FILETOSEND.txt FILENAMEATSITE.txt ftpcmd.dat echo cl ftpcmd.dat echo qui ftpcmd.dat ftp -n -s:ftpcmd.dat www.WEBSITE.com del ftpcmd.dat Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 7:48 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 About a week ago I upgraded Unidata 7.1 on Windows XP/32 to Unidata 7.2 on Windows 7/64. Everything I need in Unidata seems to work fine on this release with one notable exception: Unidata 7.2 on Windows will no longer properly execute the Windows ftp program. Rocket support has basically said that in this version they changed the telnet server so that it can only run fully stdin/stdout compliant programs in the shell. Because the Windows ftp program isn't exactly stdin/stdout compliant, it is no longer a functional PCPERFORM program. Even if the ftp program is scripted to connect, transfer, and exit with no additional inputs or outputs, the ftp program will still fail. Of course, in this case if there's a put in the commands it'll fail after writing a zero byte file, potentially overwriting something. I could be frustrated with Microsoft because, after all, it's their program that's failing, I'm more frustrated with Rocket. While it's frustrating to have a past ability removed it's more frustrating to have received absolutely zero warning from Rocket that this could happen. I've searched the docs for 7.2... can't find a word about this change. (Hey, and I could be missing something; that's certainly a possibility.) It's fortunate that this install isn't a big production system, but what if it was? There are several production systems running Unidata on Windows, so if any of y'all are using ftp or any OS commands that may not meet Rocket's muster, please be aware of this change in 7.2. BTW, for me the fix was to use WinSCP (in command line mode) instead of Microsoft's FTP program. So far it seems to work just fine though the scripting is a bit different from Microsoft's ftp client. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Disclaimer: This email may contain confidential and/or privileged information. It is intended only for the person or persons to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email or telephone and destroy all copies of the original message. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
I must agree with Dave on this one. Through my 14-years of experience, the Unidata team has provided exceptional product development, support and seamless upgrades, version after version. Now I am by no means a 'power-user' of the database, but asking from a developers perspective, which of us have NOT broken something in a subsequent release and really honked off one or more of our power users? In my opinion, it's part of the 'game.' That being said, in my 30+ years as a developer in general, one thing I have learned (the hard way) is, to take an otherwise 'private' situation public and rail against the hand that essentially feeds me is just bad form. I look forward to the posts from this forum as long as they are knowledge-seeking and solution based, no matter how longwinded they get. ;^) Sincerely, David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office: 810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 12:46 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 U2 has probably spoiled us. You should see some of the issues others face upgrading in Oracle, SQL Server, Windows and so on. We have an expectation of seamless upgrades that does not occur in other environments. For people to have software that is 25 years old still running on U2 is pretty good. Regards David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Jeff, so you're saying that if the ftp script was created by the batch file instead of being created by something else, this works? Gee, that could be the entire issue right there. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Dave, I respect your opinion of my bad form but given that there has been little to no information on this topic, would it make sense to sit on the knowledge that there is a problem (regardless of who is to blame) and just let others stumble blindly into it themselves? It's likely that that the problem really doesn't have anything to do with Rocket. But when their response admitted changing things followed with it's working as designed and no additional information to help mitigate what was a broken program, that's hardly a solution. Thank God for the folks on this list who redirect, clarify, correct, and offer suggestions that actually can help. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Yes, it appears to me that the issue I experienced was related to updated security in win2008, not in unidata. I've also noticed that every upgrade breaks something. Sometimes you get lucky and things run for 10 years, then one day, BAM! A program stops working after you upgrade the database. It's the nature of the job. Things change. Things break. Things need to be fixed. That is what testing is for. Jeffrey Lettau ERP Systems Manager polkaudio -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 10:46 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Jeff, so you're saying that if the ftp script was created by the batch file instead of being created by something else, this works? Gee, that could be the entire issue right there. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Disclaimer: This email may contain confidential and/or privileged information. It is intended only for the person or persons to whom it is addressed. Any unauthorized review, use, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email or telephone and destroy all copies of the original message. Please consider the environment before printing this email. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
That was...ummvery gracious! ;-) We've all been there! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 1:35 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Thanks to John Jenkins, who contacted me offlist with some excellent information about the Windows firewall, I return here now to eat my share of crow for casting the blame towards Rocket when in reality the problem was with the Windows firewall. John had me run udt in the console and then run my script, which caused the Windows firewall to prompt for Allow/Deny. Once I allowed access in the console, my original script works fine under telnet. Once again, I am most thankful for the gracious assistance of this group, even when I myself may not be the model of graciousness. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Overall, I would have to agree. There have been missteps along the way, but as was mentioned before, it happens with any product. I do wish I had come to this list first rather than going through Rocket support. Might have avoided some embarrassing crow. On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Address mrparkl...@yahoo.com wrote: Unidata is more stable than many versions of Microsoft Windows. Unidata does not frustrate or aggravate me. It is very reliable. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Silly company names. Charlie On 02-18-2011 3:41 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote: Finally, since we're here: From Charlie Noah: Totally OT, and I'm just musing here - Rocket, Raining Data then TigerLogic. Does anyone besides me see a trend here? Uh, I don't get it. How are those related? What trend? T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Ah Bill, that was you? Thank you! That was the problem I ran into last week and the new UDT.OPTION fixed very nicely. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Kevin just create a script and execute it. This is fairly simple and you can capture the output from the _PH_ file. We have a public warehouse application that uses EDI to talk with lots of different customers. This process is their life blood and works like a champ from 6.0 to 7.2.7 of Unidata. ITEM = 'open ftp1.com' ITEM-1 = 'user dave...@u2logic.com' ITEM-1 = 'daverch' ITEM-1 = 'bin' ITEM-1 = 'cd inbox' ITEM-1 = 'lcd c:\IBM\ud72\WH.DATA\WH.EDI' ITEM-1 = 'put ':EDI.ID ITEM-1 = 'quit' WRITE ITEM ON HOLD,'ftp_send.txt' TEMP = 'c:\IBM\ud72\XLr8\_HOLD_\' LINE = !ftp -n -d -s:\:TEMP:\ftp_send.txt\ EXECUTE 'PHANTOM ':LINE CAPTURING OUTPUT Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com A plethora of SMB applications all 100% Web based -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:48 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 About a week ago I upgraded Unidata 7.1 on Windows XP/32 to Unidata 7.2 on Windows 7/64. Everything I need in Unidata seems to work fine on this release with one notable exception: Unidata 7.2 on Windows will no longer properly execute the Windows ftp program. Rocket support has basically said that in this version they changed the telnet server so that it can only run fully stdin/stdout compliant programs in the shell. Because the Windows ftp program isn't exactly stdin/stdout compliant, it is no longer a functional PCPERFORM program. Even if the ftp program is scripted to connect, transfer, and exit with no additional inputs or outputs, the ftp program will still fail. Of course, in this case if there's a put in the commands it'll fail after writing a zero byte file, potentially overwriting something. I could be frustrated with Microsoft because, after all, it's their program that's failing, I'm more frustrated with Rocket. While it's frustrating to have a past ability removed it's more frustrating to have received absolutely zero warning from Rocket that this could happen. I've searched the docs for 7.2... can't find a word about this change. (Hey, and I could be missing something; that's certainly a possibility.) It's fortunate that this install isn't a big production system, but what if it was? There are several production systems running Unidata on Windows, so if any of y'all are using ftp or any OS commands that may not meet Rocket's muster, please be aware of this change in 7.2. BTW, for me the fix was to use WinSCP (in command line mode) instead of Microsoft's FTP program. So far it seems to work just fine though the scripting is a bit different from Microsoft's ftp client. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Hi, Kevin. I don't find any support cases opened by you recently. Can you provide a support case number so I can review your interaction with our team and the technical bits, as well. thanks Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4600 South Ulster Street, Suite 1100 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:48 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 About a week ago I upgraded Unidata 7.1 on Windows XP/32 to Unidata 7.2 on Windows 7/64. Everything I need in Unidata seems to work fine on this release with one notable exception: Unidata 7.2 on Windows will no longer properly execute the Windows ftp program. Rocket support has basically said that in this version they changed the telnet server so that it can only run fully stdin/stdout compliant programs in the shell. Because the Windows ftp program isn't exactly stdin/stdout compliant, it is no longer a functional PCPERFORM program. Even if the ftp program is scripted to connect, transfer, and exit with no additional inputs or outputs, the ftp program will still fail. Of course, in this case if there's a put in the commands it'll fail after writing a zero byte file, potentially overwriting something. I could be frustrated with Microsoft because, after all, it's their program that's failing, I'm more frustrated with Rocket. While it's frustrating to have a past ability removed it's more frustrating to have received absolutely zero warning from Rocket that this could happen. I've searched the docs for 7.2... can't find a word about this change. (Hey, and I could be missing something; that's certainly a possibility.) It's fortunate that this install isn't a big production system, but what if it was? There are several production systems running Unidata on Windows, so if any of y'all are using ftp or any OS commands that may not meet Rocket's muster, please be aware of this change in 7.2. BTW, for me the fix was to use WinSCP (in command line mode) instead of Microsoft's FTP program. So far it seems to work just fine though the scripting is a bit different from Microsoft's ftp client. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Doug... If that's working on 7.2.7/Win I'd love to know how. Things here aren't the same as they were on 7.1. Non-Windows versions appear to be fine. Windows versions... not so much. Wally, my case # is 153722. It was posted through my support contacts @ S7. Feel free to contact me off list if you need more info. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Wally Terhune wterh...@rocketsoftware.comwrote: Hi, Kevin. I don't find any support cases opened by you recently. Can you provide a support case number so I can review your interaction with our team and the technical bits, as well. thanks Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4600 South Ulster Street, Suite 1100 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:48 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 About a week ago I upgraded Unidata 7.1 on Windows XP/32 to Unidata 7.2 on Windows 7/64. Everything I need in Unidata seems to work fine on this release with one notable exception: Unidata 7.2 on Windows will no longer properly execute the Windows ftp program. Rocket support has basically said that in this version they changed the telnet server so that it can only run fully stdin/stdout compliant programs in the shell. Because the Windows ftp program isn't exactly stdin/stdout compliant, it is no longer a functional PCPERFORM program. Even if the ftp program is scripted to connect, transfer, and exit with no additional inputs or outputs, the ftp program will still fail. Of course, in this case if there's a put in the commands it'll fail after writing a zero byte file, potentially overwriting something. I could be frustrated with Microsoft because, after all, it's their program that's failing, I'm more frustrated with Rocket. While it's frustrating to have a past ability removed it's more frustrating to have received absolutely zero warning from Rocket that this could happen. I've searched the docs for 7.2... can't find a word about this change. (Hey, and I could be missing something; that's certainly a possibility.) It's fortunate that this install isn't a big production system, but what if it was? There are several production systems running Unidata on Windows, so if any of y'all are using ftp or any OS commands that may not meet Rocket's muster, please be aware of this change in 7.2. BTW, for me the fix was to use WinSCP (in command line mode) instead of Microsoft's FTP program. So far it seems to work just fine though the scripting is a bit different from Microsoft's ftp client. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
I spent half of yesterday trying to get so I can communicate with Rocket. I have given up - going to U2U in Sydney next week, so shall see if we can get any help there! -- Kate Stanton Walstan Systems Ltd 4 Kelmarna Ave, Herne Bay, Auckland 1011, New Zealand Phone: + 64 9 360 5310 Mobile: + 64 21 400 486 Email: k...@walstan.com On 18 February 2011 14:42, Wally Terhune wterh...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: Hi, Kevin. I don't find any support cases opened by you recently. Can you provide a support case number so I can review your interaction with our team and the technical bits, as well. thanks Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4600 South Ulster Street, Suite 1100 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 5:48 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 About a week ago I upgraded Unidata 7.1 on Windows XP/32 to Unidata 7.2 on Windows 7/64. Everything I need in Unidata seems to work fine on this release with one notable exception: Unidata 7.2 on Windows will no longer properly execute the Windows ftp program. Rocket support has basically said that in this version they changed the telnet server so that it can only run fully stdin/stdout compliant programs in the shell. Because the Windows ftp program isn't exactly stdin/stdout compliant, it is no longer a functional PCPERFORM program. Even if the ftp program is scripted to connect, transfer, and exit with no additional inputs or outputs, the ftp program will still fail. Of course, in this case if there's a put in the commands it'll fail after writing a zero byte file, potentially overwriting something. I could be frustrated with Microsoft because, after all, it's their program that's failing, I'm more frustrated with Rocket. While it's frustrating to have a past ability removed it's more frustrating to have received absolutely zero warning from Rocket that this could happen. I've searched the docs for 7.2... can't find a word about this change. (Hey, and I could be missing something; that's certainly a possibility.) It's fortunate that this install isn't a big production system, but what if it was? There are several production systems running Unidata on Windows, so if any of y'all are using ftp or any OS commands that may not meet Rocket's muster, please be aware of this change in 7.2. BTW, for me the fix was to use WinSCP (in command line mode) instead of Microsoft's FTP program. So far it seems to work just fine though the scripting is a bit different from Microsoft's ftp client. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Hi Kevin: Just checked FTP is still running on Unidata 7.2.7 on Windows 2003. Good luck, I'm still waiting for them to fix the SETPTR copies option that worked in 7.1 and they broke in 7.2 on Windows. Sorry Wally, I don't know the case. I spoke with an engineer while I was at U2 University. It was still open then and it is today. Regards, Doug http://www.u2logic.com/XLr8_Resizer.html Try our newly updated Resizer for Universe and Unidata -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:55 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Doug... If that's working on 7.2.7/Win I'd love to know how. Things here aren't the same as they were on 7.1. Non-Windows versions appear to be fine. Windows versions... not so much. Wally, my case # is 153722. It was posted through my support contacts @ S7. Feel free to contact me off list if you need more info. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
I wonder if the ftp on Win2003 is better than the ftp on Win7? Sure, I realize that it's about impossible for Rocket to know every little incompatibility with Windows versions but ftp? That's pretty crucial. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Totally OT, and I'm just musing here - Rocket, Raining Data then TigerLogic. Does anyone besides me see a trend here? Charlie Noah Charles W. Noah Associates cwn...@comcast.net The views and opinions expressed herein are my own (Charlie Noah) and do not necessarily reflect the views, positions or policies of any of my former, current or future employers, employees, clients, friends, enemies or anyone else who might take exception to them. On 02-17-2011 9:05 PM, Doug wrote: Hi Kevin: Just checked FTP is still running on Unidata 7.2.7 on Windows 2003. Good luck, I'm still waiting for them to fix the SETPTR copies option that worked in 7.1 and they broke in 7.2 on Windows. Sorry Wally, I don't know the case. I spoke with an engineer while I was at U2 University. It was still open then and it is today. Regards, Doug http://www.u2logic.com/XLr8_Resizer.html Try our newly updated Resizer for Universe and Unidata -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:55 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Doug... If that's working on 7.2.7/Win I'd love to know how. Things here aren't the same as they were on 7.1. Non-Windows versions appear to be fine. Windows versions... not so much. Wally, my case # is 153722. It was posted through my support contacts @ S7. Feel free to contact me off list if you need more info. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
I dunno man. There's some really good folks in the U2 group but sometimes I wonder if the decision makers over there ever consider that there are real people trying to use these products? On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Charlie Noah cwn...@comcast.net wrote: Totally OT, and I'm just musing here - Rocket, Raining Data then TigerLogic. Does anyone besides me see a trend here? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
It's impossible to please everyone. My bug report (and the long awaited fix...comes before yours :-) Get to the back of the line!! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Friday, 18 February 2011 2:20 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 I dunno man. There's some really good folks in the U2 group but sometimes I wonder if the decision makers over there ever consider that there are real people trying to use these products? On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Charlie Noah cwn...@comcast.net wrote: Totally OT, and I'm just musing here - Rocket, Raining Data then TigerLogic. Does anyone besides me see a trend here? ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Should I change the name of my company to Galactic Juggernaut ? -Original Message- From: Charlie Noah cwn...@comcast.net To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Totally OT, and I'm just musing here - Rocket, Raining Data then TigerLogic. Does anyone besides me see a trend here? Charlie Noah Charles W. Noah Associates cwn...@comcast.net The views and opinions expressed herein are my own (Charlie Noah) and do not necessarily reflect the views, positions or policies of any of my former, current or future employers, employees, clients, friends, enemies or anyone else who might take exception to them. On 02-17-2011 9:05 PM, Doug wrote: Hi Kevin: Just checked FTP is still running on Unidata 7.2.7 on Windows 2003. Good luck, I'm still waiting for them to fix the SETPTR copies option that worked in 7.1 and they broke in 7.2 on Windows. Sorry Wally, I don't know the case. I spoke with an engineer while I was at U2 University. It was still open then and it is today. Regards, Doug http://www.u2logic.com/XLr8_Resizer.html Try our newly updated Resizer for Universe and Unidata -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:55 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Doug... If that's working on 7.2.7/Win I'd love to know how. Things here aren't the same as they were on 7.1. Non-Windows versions appear to be fine. Windows versions... not so much. Wally, my case # is 153722. It was posted through my support contacts @ S7. Feel free to contact me off list if you need more info. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Hey, I like that! Charlie On 02-17-2011 9:36 PM, fft2...@aol.com wrote: Should I change the name of my company to Galactic Juggernaut ? -Original Message- From: Charlie Noahcwn...@comcast.net To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Totally OT, and I'm just musing here - Rocket, Raining Data then TigerLogic. Does anyone besides me see a trend here? Charlie Noah Charles W. Noah Associates cwn...@comcast.net The views and opinions expressed herein are my own (Charlie Noah) and do not necessarily reflect the views, positions or policies of any of my former, current or future employers, employees, clients, friends, enemies or anyone else who might take exception to them. On 02-17-2011 9:05 PM, Doug wrote: Hi Kevin: Just checked FTP is still running on Unidata 7.2.7 on Windows 2003. Good luck, I'm still waiting for them to fix the SETPTR copies option that worked in 7.1 and they broke in 7.2 on Windows. Sorry Wally, I don't know the case. I spoke with an engineer while I was at U2 University. It was still open then and it is today. Regards, Doug http://www.u2logic.com/XLr8_Resizer.html Try our newly updated Resizer for Universe and Unidata -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:55 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2 Doug... If that's working on 7.2.7/Win I'd love to know how. Things here aren't the same as they were on 7.1. Non-Windows versions appear to be fine. Windows versions... not so much. Wally, my case # is 153722. It was posted through my support contacts @ S7. Feel free to contact me off list if you need more info. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Thanks for the chuckle - that was funny! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
On 2/17/2011 10:14 PM, Kevin King wrote: I wonder if the ftp on Win2003 is better than the ftp on Win7? Sure, I realize that it's about impossible for Rocket to know every little incompatibility with Windows versions but ftp? That's pretty crucial. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Kevin, Look on the bright side, SCP is a better and safer (snooping and bit-transfer wise) solution. I only use authenticated FTP when a vendor forces me due to a lack of technology. IMO FTP refuses to die specifically because of Windows software, so it's a bit ironic that this is a Microsoft platform related problem. This isn't yet-another-ftp-vs-scp-debate thread so I'll go back to lurking again. :) GlenB ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
Oh, I completely agree. But the point isn't FTP vs. SCP or SFTP, the point is the value (or anti-value) of unexpectedly breaking existing code. For years I've been preaching about making reusable components of things that are on the fringe of the operating environment to minimize the impact of issues like this, but here many years into this career it's been my experience that few who have heard my barking have actually heeded the advice. Now, this issue could seriously bite some good folks. That's really the focus of this frustration... knowing that my limited experiences quite possibly may only be the tip of this iceberg. I think what really set me off was the statement from Rocket support that it's working properly, when clearly properly to Rocket is equivalent to broken in what used to be perfectly functional code. Forgive me, but is this really the best confidence builder? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Frustrated with Rocket / Unidata 7.2
U2 has probably spoiled us. You should see some of the issues others face upgrading in Oracle, SQL Server, Windows and so on. We have an expectation of seamless upgrades that does not occur in other environments. For people to have software that is 25 years old still running on U2 is pretty good. Regards David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
