Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
That's cool. I haven't been to the web site in a long time -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of neil richards Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 1:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor the full Rocket Software documentation library is available at http://docs.rocketsoftware.com On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:47 AM, Shanmukh Nandha wrote: > Hello Friends, > > > Can any one help with ED editor docs in Unibasic Programming language > > Thank you, > Shanmukh > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and may be subject to copyright. They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this message in error please notify AFS immediately by return email. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of AFS, except where an authorized sender specifically states them to be the views of AFS. It is your responsibility to verify this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. AFS accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
the full Rocket Software documentation library is available at http://docs.rocketsoftware.com On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:47 AM, Shanmukh Nandha wrote: > Hello Friends, > > > Can any one help with ED editor docs in Unibasic Programming language > > Thank you, > Shanmukh > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
The ED/AE editor has excellent inline documentation, type "HELP" at the editor prompt, and start exploring. As others have said, if you're using AE to edit programs, you're probably doing it wrong. I love using it with prestores to do bulk updates of data (let's see eclipse do that, Doug!), which is arguably even more wrong, but I can't help myself ;-) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Shanmukh Nandha Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 2:48 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Rgarding ED editor Hello Friends, Can any one help with ED editor docs in Unibasic Programming language Thank you, Shanmukh ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users - IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential, privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy or disclose any information contained in the message. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
On 17/04/14 15:53, Charlie Noah wrote: > Aw, George, Doug is always pushing his product. :-) Remember, if all you > have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. > > I'm not disparaging Doug's product - I've never even seen it - but in 35 > years, I've never needed it. > > BTW, I agree with you 100%. I use the line editor when it's the best > tool, and a full screen editor when it's best. I wish I still had the Sheffield Editor. That was the best of both worlds - a full-screen editor, with all the power of the basic ED line editor at your fingertips. By the way, nobody has mentioned ED - you know, the line editor that comes with UniVerse ... (the OP didn't say it was UniData). If you want to know how to use ED, it should be documented in the UniVerse documentation somewhere, look for the ED manual. I think it's a fairly standard editor, but to someone from a DOS/Unix background it will probably feel a bit strange - a weird dialect ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
Shanmukh: Although the following link is designed for D3... http://www.d3ref.com/?category=2 ...it's pretty good documentation on the line "ED"itor. HTH, Bill - Original Message - *From:* shanmukhnan...@gmail.com *To:* u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 4/17/2014 2:47 AM *Subject:* [U2] Rgarding ED editor Hello Friends, Can any one help with ED editor docs in Unibasic Programming language Thank you, Shanmukh ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
Nobody is arguing that GUI editors are not useful, I'm just saying that ED/AE is The default editor - just because it's not as robust, doesn't mean it shouldn't Be learned. I learned the ED on Reality, and had no problem when I used AP / D3 And Prime Information and then Universe - it was almost a standard - that is why It should be learned. All the reasons you mention really don't matter if all Your doing is entering some test data, or doing a quick look at a VOC entry. Nothing more to read into it George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 10:50 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor I've been doing Eclipse IDE a lot longer than everybody else. I'm not bragging here: U2logic was the first with an editor that ran within Eclipse IDE for Universe and Unidata in 2004. I would have to save that I have updated many VOC items from XLr8Editor Eclipse. But that is not really point I have made in all of these years trying to explain this technology. If the U2 database environment is to survive and grow, all of us programmers have to look like other programmers in the world. Very few of us should be using line by line editors for any reason. I firmly believe that the ED/AE should be removed from the database not because the tools are not useful, but because it detracts from what can be accomplished within the U2 environment. When I'm at a client, or doing a web demo, I have Eclipse running with code showing to showcase that U2 is not a legacy technology. When I'm coding and somebody who does not know U2 they can see these to name few things: 1. the code compiling on the spot 2. built-in version control 3. copy and paste capability 4. dictionary editing in a grid 5. an outline with all the variables and their respective line numbers 6. code completion on my code variables 7. a local search engine to look for U2 variables or subroutines 8. a local search for just strings using regular expressions 9. The ability to have multiple sessions open and manage those sessions 10. The ability to sync your local storage with the database with a single click Those people have a better feeling about the technology they purchase then seeing some typing "OOPS" or "C/oldvariable/newvarable/g". Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html "XLr8Editor saves time for U2 programmers" On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:16 AM, George Gallen wrote: > Doug, > > I totally disagree! Yes, once you get used to a GUI editor, ED/AE can be > tough, but it has it's merits too. > > One, it's quick - it's ALWAYS available. > > Would you honestly invoke a GUI editor to make a quick change to a VOC > entry? > > It's a tool of the trade - it needs to be a required learn > > George ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
My 2 Cents: I love a GUI editor, but I've been using Pick/U2 since '82 and grew up with ED. It's still a very fast, very effective way to check records and make quick changes. Don -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:16 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor Doug, I totally disagree! Yes, once you get used to a GUI editor, ED/AE can be tough, but it has it's merits too. One, it's quick - it's ALWAYS available. Would you honestly invoke a GUI editor to make a quick change to a VOC entry? It's a tool of the trade - it needs to be a required learn George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:18 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor If you are trying to use ED or AE in Universe or Unidata these are line by line editors. If someone is new to U2 then this is a bad move to try and teach them something so archaic. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html "The only Eclipse editor with continuous compile technology" ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
Aw, George, Doug is always pushing his product. :-) Remember, if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I'm not disparaging Doug's product - I've never even seen it - but in 35 years, I've never needed it. BTW, I agree with you 100%. I use the line editor when it's the best tool, and a full screen editor when it's best. Charlie On 04-17-2014 9:16 AM, George Gallen wrote: Doug, I totally disagree! Yes, once you get used to a GUI editor, ED/AE can be tough, but it has it's merits too. One, it's quick - it's ALWAYS available. Would you honestly invoke a GUI editor to make a quick change to a VOC entry? It's a tool of the trade - it needs to be a required learn George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:18 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor If you are trying to use ED or AE in Universe or Unidata these are line by line editors. If someone is new to U2 then this is a bad move to try and teach them something so archaic. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html "The only Eclipse editor with continuous compile technology" ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
I've been doing Eclipse IDE a lot longer than everybody else. I'm not bragging here: U2logic was the first with an editor that ran within Eclipse IDE for Universe and Unidata in 2004. I would have to save that I have updated many VOC items from XLr8Editor Eclipse. But that is not really point I have made in all of these years trying to explain this technology. If the U2 database environment is to survive and grow, all of us programmers have to look like other programmers in the world. Very few of us should be using line by line editors for any reason. I firmly believe that the ED/AE should be removed from the database not because the tools are not useful, but because it detracts from what can be accomplished within the U2 environment. When I'm at a client, or doing a web demo, I have Eclipse running with code showing to showcase that U2 is not a legacy technology. When I'm coding and somebody who does not know U2 they can see these to name few things: 1. the code compiling on the spot 2. built-in version control 3. copy and paste capability 4. dictionary editing in a grid 5. an outline with all the variables and their respective line numbers 6. code completion on my code variables 7. a local search engine to look for U2 variables or subroutines 8. a local search for just strings using regular expressions 9. The ability to have multiple sessions open and manage those sessions 10. The ability to sync your local storage with the database with a single click Those people have a better feeling about the technology they purchase then seeing some typing "OOPS" or "C/oldvariable/newvarable/g". Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html "XLr8Editor saves time for U2 programmers" On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 8:16 AM, George Gallen wrote: > Doug, > > I totally disagree! Yes, once you get used to a GUI editor, ED/AE can be > tough, but it has it's merits too. > > One, it's quick - it's ALWAYS available. > > Would you honestly invoke a GUI editor to make a quick change to a VOC > entry? > > It's a tool of the trade - it needs to be a required learn > > George ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
Doug, I totally disagree! Yes, once you get used to a GUI editor, ED/AE can be tough, but it has it's merits too. One, it's quick - it's ALWAYS available. Would you honestly invoke a GUI editor to make a quick change to a VOC entry? It's a tool of the trade - it needs to be a required learn George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Averch Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:18 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor If you are trying to use ED or AE in Universe or Unidata these are line by line editors. If someone is new to U2 then this is a bad move to try and teach them something so archaic. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html "The only Eclipse editor with continuous compile technology" ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
If you are trying to use ED or AE in Universe or Unidata these are line by line editors. If someone is new to U2 then this is a bad move to try and teach them something so archaic. Move into the modern ages using Eclipse IDE from either Rocket Software or U2logic. Rocket Software offering is called BDT. U2logic's offering is called XLr8Editor. The both have many more positives than negatives. If you have used something like Visual Studio or similar tools then your learning curve will be quite small. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com/tools.html "The only Eclipse editor with continuous compile technology" On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Martin Phillips < martinphill...@ladybridge.com> wrote: > Hi Shanmukh, > > Do you really mean ED? > > The ED command in Unidata starts the underlying operating system editor. > By default, this is vi on Linux and the MS-DOS editor on > Windows. So, to answer your question, we need to know which system your > are on. > > I have encountered many users who amend their VOC so that ED actually runs > the AE editor which is part of Unidata itself. > > > Martin Phillips > Ladybridge Systems Ltd > 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England > +44 (0)1604-709200 > > > -Original Message- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: > u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Shanmukh Nandha > Sent: 17 April 2014 10:48 > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: [U2] Rgarding ED editor > > Hello Friends, > > > Can any one help with ED editor docs in Unibasic Programming language > > Thank you, > Shanmukh > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Rgarding ED editor
Hi Shanmukh, Do you really mean ED? The ED command in Unidata starts the underlying operating system editor. By default, this is vi on Linux and the MS-DOS editor on Windows. So, to answer your question, we need to know which system your are on. I have encountered many users who amend their VOC so that ED actually runs the AE editor which is part of Unidata itself. Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Ltd 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton NN4 6DB, England +44 (0)1604-709200 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Shanmukh Nandha Sent: 17 April 2014 10:48 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Rgarding ED editor Hello Friends, Can any one help with ED editor docs in Unibasic Programming language Thank you, Shanmukh ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
