Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Feature Freeze & Debian Import Freeze for Yakkety

[Set Hallstrom]

On 2016-08-11 07:04, Ross Gammon wrote:
> On 08/10/2016 07:40 PM, Ross Gammon wrote:
>> I will be concentrating on merging our packages that are out of date
>> compared to Debian unstable over the next week. If you are game to help
>> out with that, there is some information here:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
> 
> Scratch that.
> 
> There were a few packages out of date compared to Debian, but not by
> very much, and we are not missing out on any bug fixes. I will keep
> still keep an eye out for any new uploads to Debian.
> 
> 

Hi!

Very happy to know you have it in check. :) I am game to learn and i
read the wiki, so if something shows up, ping the thread and I'll try my
best to join efforts.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[Antoine Thomas]

>
>> Is it based on Wordpress too ? Will you ask to Canonical to host it ?
>>
>>
> Its Wordpress, and it will be hosted at ubuntustudio.org, so I guess yes?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[eylul]

Hi!



I really love the home page you did. However, for the rest of the 
website, I would go with a white background under dark text, even if 
the general background is dark. Yes, many applications we have in 
Ubuntu Studio have a dark theme, but a website is not a 
terminal/application and perhaps you should should try a more "easy to 
read" style ;-)


Actually there can be arguments made for both dark and light backgrounds 
for readability. Some (about half of people) prefer light backgrounds, 
and a lot of sites uses dark text on white, true. :) However, there is 
still value for dark on light layouts if carefully done, especially in 
terms of less strain on eyes when reading, for text heavy content.


A white layer on dark with dark text is probably not the best through 
regardless, if I am understanding your suggestion correctly, in that it 
would be a contrast on the borders that competes with the content for 
user's focus. There is also an argument to be made to not switch layouts 
and color schemes that drastically between pages (more so than we have 
already done anyway). :)




Is it based on Wordpress too ? Will you ask to Canonical to host it ?



Its Wordpress, and it will be hosted at ubuntustudio.org, so I guess yes?

Best

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[ttoine]

>
> Yes. Something like the xubuntu guys, i reckon:
>> https://xubuntu.org/products/
>
>
This is well done, I agree


> However, we are working on a new website. Do you think it is urgent, or
> can it wait until it is complete? bThe stage is here:
> http://ubuntustudio.zequence.net/ and you are welcome to join in and
> help/feed-back/, of course :) Here is part of the research material:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/WebsiteXenial
>

I note the idea of Unix stickers also.

I really love the home page you did. However, for the rest of the website,
I would go with a white background under dark text, even if the general
background is dark. Yes, many applications we have in Ubuntu Studio have a
dark theme, but a website is not a terminal/application and perhaps you
should should try a more "easy to read" style ;-)

Is it based on Wordpress too ? Will you ask to Canonical to host it ?
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[ttoine]

>
> Seemingly shirts are more important than knowledge.
>
Ralf: when it comes to packaging and code or other technical stuff you
master, I don't tell you what to do. And I will never ever do. This is how
I respect your knowledge.

About shirts and swag, and marketing in Floss, trust me, this is my field
of expertise and I know why I spend time on it for Ubuntu Studio.

That said, my apologise for not respecting the netiquette and being a bit
rude with you. I respect your contributions and the time you spend around
Ubuntu Studio. And I hope that you will continue to be there with your
skills.

However, please, next time we speak about communication, let other people
from the team manage that.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[Len Ovens]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016, ttoine wrote:


Attached is what I have at the moment. You have to understand that it not


It looks great. Personally I like that T the best out of what I have seen 
so far. (looking at the printed ones too)


I am very surprised at the number of emails regarding this. Which was 
effectively discussed and decided when the printed T came out.


So: great job ttoine for acting as contact... and everyone else like 
shut up already. I am not in this to do politics, I am here to make a 
better distro... that seems to be getting harder.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[public]

Guys!

This is it.

Let's all call it a miscommunication and feel sorry for our lost and 
misinterpreted words. Now we are where we are, and its not funny. Non of 
you is acting better than the other, and i hate to have to write that, 
because to do so, i need to put this hat on, and it doesn't suit me 
because i'm guilty of imperfection and also it is yellow-kaki which 
doesn't fit my green skin.


Can we please go back to creativity, Uncoporated-branding, advertising 
freedom and liberty in a pre-Grattis-beer world?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thsy5_Y2tZ8

Thank you,

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[Set Sakrecoer]

On 2016-08-12 14:55, ttoine wrote:

Set, can we add the Hellotux shop to this page on the website?
http://ubuntustudio.org/merchandise/

I would also like to start the work on the Stickermule stickers, I will 
of

course send you the prototype before, to be sure you all agree.

BTW, I see that the legal stuff at the bottom is already good, we just 
have

to add a mention about Hellotux:
"A Condition for this license is that we don’t take commission for the
products that we make available at ubuntustudio.spreadshirt.net,
hellotux.com, and stickermule.com."



Yes. Something like the xubuntu guys, i reckon: 
https://xubuntu.org/products/


However, we are working on a new website. Do you think it is urgent, or 
can it wait until it is complete? bThe stage is here: 
http://ubuntustudio.zequence.net/ and you are welcome to join in and 
help/feed-back/, of course :) Here is part of the research material: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/WebsiteXenial


I hope we have it done for 16.10 release, but with a little help we 
might be able to finish it before that... ;)


Yours,

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 15:37:38 +0200, ttoine wrote:
>http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-RME

Not to mention that this is a link from today and it might exclude my
card, regarding reports made by owners of the AIO.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 15:37:38 +0200, ttoine wrote:
>You are getting stupid.
>I will try to stay polite, as Set asked
On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 15:39:16 +0200, ttoine wrote:
>and yes, I don't follow the netiquette...

And since you are speaking for the team, I'll be the next one who will
unsubscribe.

Seemingly shirts are more important than knowledge.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[ttoine]

and yes, I don't follow the netiquette...


Antoine THOMAS
Tél: 0663137906

2016-08-12 15:37 GMT+02:00 ttoine :

> Actually my RME PCIe card doesn't work with any Linux distro. For
>> testing purpose I installed Windows and FreeBSD and there is no issue
>> to get it working on Windows and FreeBSD.
>>
>
> FYI: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-RME ->
> sorry that you purchased a not supported soundcard, maybe you should have
> checked before.
>
> I owned and ran many PCI and PC card RME sound card, including the
> Multiface II and the 9632, the Echo Indigo I/O and an Echo firewire sound
> card (non exhaustive list). The 9654 is still in use in one of the Studio I
> work with from time to time, with Ubuntu Studio, Ardour or Harrison Mixbus.
> And YES, I did the debug for that with Ubuntu alsa packager, I even
> negociate with Medibuntu that they host alsa-firmware when it was not
> possible to have it in Ubuntu repositories.
>
>
>> No need to continue off-list. It's absolutely inappropriate to
>> "announce" a shop that sells the COF on clothes by an official Ubuntu
>> Studio channel.
>
>
> You are getting stupid.
>
>
>>  Buzz marketing...
>
>
>
>> You could even sell or give
>> away clothes, stickers, patches etc. and even spread news about
>> commercial Linux related hardware and software, but announcing a shop
>> that sells clothes and/or cups, alcohol free-beer and similar unrelated
>> things is a bad attitude, since without doubts it's an offence against
>> the term "libre". Selling and announcing Emacs, install media etc. is
>> absolutely ok. Selling clothes is as well ok, just announcing such a
>> shop by an noncommercial distro sucks out loud. You can't seriously
>> consider mentioning this and giving examples what could go wrong, a bad
>> tone of voice.
>>
>
> This is only your point of view. And, to be clear, I am starting to think
> that this is not your field of expertise. (I will try to stay polite, as
> Set asked)
>
>
>>
>> I programmed free pro-midi software on the C64 and shared self-made
>> audio and MIDI circuits, when this didn't exist for Linux, "an operating
>> system kernel first released on October 5, 1991"[1] and I chose Linux
>> regarding the strictness FLOSS attitude. I'm even not against
>> proprietary software and hardware, IOW I'm even not against mixing both
>> domains, the proprietary with Linux, but there is a limit and this is
>> mixing software and hardware with e.g. fashion ware.
>>
>
> Again, this is your point of view. Nobody will force you to buy or wear a
> Ubuntu Studio short.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[ttoine]

>
> Actually my RME PCIe card doesn't work with any Linux distro. For
> testing purpose I installed Windows and FreeBSD and there is no issue
> to get it working on Windows and FreeBSD.
>

FYI: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-RME -> sorry
that you purchased a not supported soundcard, maybe you should have checked
before.

I owned and ran many PCI and PC card RME sound card, including the
Multiface II and the 9632, the Echo Indigo I/O and an Echo firewire sound
card (non exhaustive list). The 9654 is still in use in one of the Studio I
work with from time to time, with Ubuntu Studio, Ardour or Harrison Mixbus.
And YES, I did the debug for that with Ubuntu alsa packager, I even
negociate with Medibuntu that they host alsa-firmware when it was not
possible to have it in Ubuntu repositories.


> No need to continue off-list. It's absolutely inappropriate to
> "announce" a shop that sells the COF on clothes by an official Ubuntu
> Studio channel.


You are getting stupid.


>  Buzz marketing...



> You could even sell or give
> away clothes, stickers, patches etc. and even spread news about
> commercial Linux related hardware and software, but announcing a shop
> that sells clothes and/or cups, alcohol free-beer and similar unrelated
> things is a bad attitude, since without doubts it's an offence against
> the term "libre". Selling and announcing Emacs, install media etc. is
> absolutely ok. Selling clothes is as well ok, just announcing such a
> shop by an noncommercial distro sucks out loud. You can't seriously
> consider mentioning this and giving examples what could go wrong, a bad
> tone of voice.
>

This is only your point of view. And, to be clear, I am starting to think
that this is not your field of expertise. (I will try to stay polite, as
Set asked)


>
> I programmed free pro-midi software on the C64 and shared self-made
> audio and MIDI circuits, when this didn't exist for Linux, "an operating
> system kernel first released on October 5, 1991"[1] and I chose Linux
> regarding the strictness FLOSS attitude. I'm even not against
> proprietary software and hardware, IOW I'm even not against mixing both
> domains, the proprietary with Linux, but there is a limit and this is
> mixing software and hardware with e.g. fashion ware.
>

Again, this is your point of view. Nobody will force you to buy or wear a
Ubuntu Studio short.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 10:53:25 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>While i do _not_ think that a license in purity is
>required to address social/environmental/ethical issues

That's nothing I claimed. I pointed out that if you "announce" a shop
selling clothes, something completely unrelated to FLOSS, then at
least be careful, since at least Ubuntu has got a policy that doesn't
fit that good to bonded child labor and you never know.

>Ralf, allows me to see through your currently very unpleasant tone

Reread what I've got written and what ttoine has written. Swearing and
other offences against the mailing list netiquette were only made by
ttoine, not a single offence was done by me.

I likely will be the second subscriber who will unsubscribe within a
few weeks. Actually the team isn't winning contributors, but you freeze
contributors out.

The other contributor who unsubscribed recommended software, not
clothes. Recommending software is more related to Ubuntu Studio, than
announcing a clothes shop.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[ttoine]

Set, can we add the Hellotux shop to this page on the website?
http://ubuntustudio.org/merchandise/

I would also like to start the work on the Stickermule stickers, I will of
course send you the prototype before, to be sure you all agree.

BTW, I see that the legal stuff at the bottom is already good, we just have
to add a mention about Hellotux:
"A Condition for this license is that we don’t take commission for the
products that we make available at ubuntustudio.spreadshirt.net,
hellotux.com, and stickermule.com."


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[ttoine]

Set, thanks :-)
Good to have you too


Antoine THOMAS
Tél: 0663137906

2016-08-12 14:24 GMT+02:00 Set Hallstrom :

>
> On 2016-08-12 13:13, ttoine wrote:
> > Something like: Ubuntu Studio, CoF logo and Ubuntu Studio logo are
> > registered trademarks of Canonical. You can use them following
> > Canonical Intellectual property rights policy.
> >
> > the link:
> >
> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/
> intellectual-property-policy#your-use-of-our-trademarks
> >
> > I think this should be enough. And if Canonical needs more, they will
> > contact us (they contact me from time to time for this kind of
> > stuff)
>
> Thank you! :)
>
> > my aim was just to make it clear who I am, my background, my
> > opinions.
>
> It's so difficult to come through the way one wishes in text alone.
> After all, even with lots of formulation efforts to stay
> inclusive and neutral, our written words resonate in someone else's
> head, along with their own emotions, their own current states of mind,
> withing the boundaries of their culture, in the voice of their choice,
> far beyond the emitters control.
>
> Something i constantly need to remind myself of...
>
> Anyways i am very glad you did that introduction of yourself, better
> there and then, than never :) Like i wrote: i find your dedication and
> expertise admirable and it is good to know you are around.
>
> Yours,
> --
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[Set Hallstrom]

On 2016-08-12 13:13, ttoine wrote:
> Something like: Ubuntu Studio, CoF logo and Ubuntu Studio logo are 
> registered trademarks of Canonical. You can use them following 
> Canonical Intellectual property rights policy.
> 
> the link:
> 
http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy#your-use-of-our-trademarks
> 
> I think this should be enough. And if Canonical needs more, they will
> contact us (they contact me from time to time for this kind of 
> stuff)

Thank you! :)

> my aim was just to make it clear who I am, my background, my
> opinions.

It's so difficult to come through the way one wishes in text alone.
After all, even with lots of formulation efforts to stay
inclusive and neutral, our written words resonate in someone else's
head, along with their own emotions, their own current states of mind,
withing the boundaries of their culture, in the voice of their choice,
far beyond the emitters control.

Something i constantly need to remind myself of...

Anyways i am very glad you did that introduction of yourself, better
there and then, than never :) Like i wrote: i find your dedication and
expertise admirable and it is good to know you are around.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:28:40 +0200, ttoine wrote:
>Do you know why the RME pci sound cards and or firewire sound cards
>are working with Ubuntu, and Ubuntu Studio?

Actually my RME PCIe card doesn't work with any Linux distro. For
testing purpose I installed Windows and FreeBSD and there is no issue
to get it working on Windows and FreeBSD.

$ arecord -l
 List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices 
card 0: HDSPMx579bcc [RME AIO_579bcc], device 0: RME AIO [RME AIO]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:59:14 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>Please continue the discussion off-list if you have to and stay kind
>to each other.

No need to continue off-list. It's absolutely inappropriate to
"announce" a shop that sells the COF on clothes by an official Ubuntu
Studio channel. To make Ubuntu Studio more popular, buzz marketing is a
good approach, not "announcing" a commercial clothes shop. Buzz
marketing is to help users on Ubuntu and Ubuntu flavour mailing lists
and other related mailing lists, forums and by writing Wikis, providing
good software. Donations are good, too. I'm aware that in some nations
it's popular to list donars, sometimes even by a ranking, OTOH in some
countries, such as Germany, it's bad taste to do so. For good reasons we
donate anonymously, anything else is considered as being lobbyism or
camouflaged advertising. Better configure your MUA build with

  --build=$(uname -m)-ubuntustudio-linux-gnu

actually I build with

  --build=$(uname -m)-ubuntustudio-linux-gnu

for my Ubuntu install, but also with

  --build=$(uname -m)-arch-linux-gnu

for my Arch install. Regarding security concerns it's more common to
build with $(uname -m)-unknown-linux-gnu among experienced users and
there's nothing wrong with this apporach. You could even sell or give
away clothes, stickers, patches etc. and even spread news about
commercial Linux related hardware and software, but announcing a shop
that sells clothes and/or cups, alcohol free-beer and similar unrelated
things is a bad attitude, since without doubts it's an offence against
the term "libre". Selling and announcing Emacs, install media etc. is
absolutely ok. Selling clothes is as well ok, just announcing such a
shop by an noncommercial distro sucks out loud. You can't seriously
consider mentioning this and giving examples what could go wrong, a bad
tone of voice.

I programmed free pro-midi software on the C64 and shared self-made
audio and MIDI circuits, when this didn't exist for Linux, "an operating
system kernel first released on October 5, 1991"[1] and I chose Linux
regarding the strictness FLOSS attitude. I'm even not against
proprietary software and hardware, IOW I'm even not against mixing both
domains, the proprietary with Linux, but there is a limit and this is
mixing software and hardware with e.g. fashion ware.

Regards,
Ralf

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[ttoine]

2016-08-12 11:59 GMT+02:00 Set Hallstrom :

> On 2016-08-12 11:28, ttoine wrote:
> > Set, thanks a lot for your answer. I think that instead having this
> > ressource on Launchpad, we should have a page on our website, like
> > this: https://eclipse.org/artwork/ With all the ressources available
> > to download. And a disclaimer, telling what you can do or not do, and
> > how to contact us. This would make it easier.
>
> That is a very good idea! We should make a section like that on the new
> website. Can you/would you have time to help us formulate the
> guide-lines / disclaimer? I think you are the most knowledgeable member
> in that regard.
>

Something like:
Ubuntu Studio, CoF logo and Ubuntu Studio logo are registered trademarks of
Canonical. You can use them following Canonical Intellectual property
rights policy

.

the link:
http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy#your-use-of-our-trademarks

I think this should be enough. And if Canonical needs more, they will
contact us (they contact me from time to time for this kind of stuff)


>
>
> I have to say, i'm personally very interested in your work and also glad
> to learn more about your history in Ubuntu Studio, your investments. The
> more i get to know about you, the more i admire you Antoine. If i could
> wish something, it would be that i would have gotten to know these
> details in a more... positive context.
>

Yes, of course. Thanks for pointing this out. By the way, if someone has
questions, I am happy to answer in another thread. BTW, I am invited by the
editors of opensource.com (owned by Redhat, fyi) to write a series of
article about my involvement in Floss, Ubuntu Studio, multimedia production
all that. I should start with the first article this fall, I hope I can
find time to write.


> I don't know much about Ralf contribution to FLOSS at large, but i can
> back my claim that despite his harsh tone, he has helped many users
> solve their problems. At the end of the day, his contribution on the
> user-list is mostely very precious.
>

OK.


> I know i might sound out of my league due to that recent flame-thread i
> was a partialy responsible of, but if it teached me something it is that
> we are not here to rank each others benevolent participation. Please
> continue the discussion off-list if you have to and stay kind to each
> other.
>

That was not my idea. But I didn't appreciate Ralf could consider I don't
know anything about Floss and communication / marketing / community
management. I am very sorry about my tone, my aim was just to make it clear
who I am, my background, my opinions.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[Set Hallstrom]

On 2016-08-12 11:28, ttoine wrote:
> Set, thanks a lot for your answer. I think that instead having this
> ressource on Launchpad, we should have a page on our website, like
> this: https://eclipse.org/artwork/ With all the ressources available
> to download. And a disclaimer, telling what you can do or not do, and
> how to contact us. This would make it easier.

That is a very good idea! We should make a section like that on the new
website. Can you/would you have time to help us formulate the
guide-lines / disclaimer? I think you are the most knowledgeable member
in that regard..

> So, even with Set clarification about Ralf's tone, I will take time
> to answer to him, because I would like things to be transparents.

I have to say, i'm personally very interested in your work and also glad
to learn more about your history in Ubuntu Studio, your investments. The
more i get to know about you, the more i admire you Antoine. If i could
wish something, it would be that i would have gotten to know these
details in a more... positive context.

I don't know much about Ralf contribution to FLOSS at large, but i can
back my claim that despite his harsh tone, he has helped many users
solve their problems. At the end of the day, his contribution on the
user-list is mostely very precious.

I know i might sound out of my league due to that recent flame-thread i
was a partialy responsible of, but if it teached me something it is that
we are not here to rank each others benevolent participation. Please
continue the discussion off-list if you have to and stay kind to each other.

Yours,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[ttoine]

Set, thanks a lot for your answer.
I think that instead having this ressource on Launchpad, we should have a
page on our website, like this:
https://eclipse.org/artwork/
With all the ressources available to download. And a disclaimer, telling
what you can do or not do, and how to contact us. This would make it easier.

I will send this link to Hellotux:
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-artwork/current-standard/files
So they can get the orginal files.

So, even with Set clarification about Ralf's tone, I will take time to
answer to him, because I would like things to be transparents.

Are they allowed to use it or aren't they? If they are allowed to do
> it, then they are free to do it, right?
>

You are playing on words. Legal stuff and brand management are not a joke.
And words are to be used very, very carefully.

What have the clothes to do with the software? Nothing! Absolutely
> nothing! Somebody allows them to use the logo, that's ok, but it makes
> no sense to announce a product of a shop.
>

The clothes are about Community management. The software should be only a
part of Ubuntu Studio, and the most important should be the Ubuntu Studio
community.

There is an obvious legal reason why we must speak about it on the shop: we
must inform that Hellotux has the right to sell swag with the brand. And we
must add a disclaimer that as usual with Ubuntu Studio swag, we don't have
any benefit. So this is clear for our community, and for Canonical.

>If we don't inform our community, how they are aware that this is
> >available
>
> If they want clothes, they should search for clothes. It's not the
> business of a FLOSS distro to advertise what some shop sells.
>

Selling swag is the first source of revenue for any local user group, be it
Linux, Java, or any other Community. If you want a Debian or a Fedora
sticker at an event, usually you pay for it. Most of the time, they order
enough quantities to have a discount, and then sell the swag at the same
price, keeping the benefit. We are not allowed at the moment to do that for
Ubuntu Studio. But you made a point: it is now clear that don't understand
anything about local user groups and community involvement. However,
communities are actually the heart of open source software. And wearing
swag is how you show you are active in a community.

I bet I understand more about design and communication than you ever

> will be able to understand. You are naive and your naive ideas add a
> bad taste to FLOSS.
>

Well, actually, design and communication for FLOSS is my job for many
years. And at the moment, I am working for the Eclipse Foundation, the most
important Java technologies ecosystem and community. I am also part of the
staff at http://www.communityleadershipforum.com/, I am invited to write a
series of article for opensource.com this fall, and I spoke about community
management at many floss events, including Eclipse Con (before I was hired
by Eclipse), OW2con and Paris Open Source Summit. I teach Floss at the
University in my area. In the past, I have been moderator for Framasoft.org
forum, the most important french forum about FLOSS. And in 2006 I was at
Ubuntu Developer Summit at Google headquarters, invited by Canonical to
make Ubuntu Studio official. I was also very active in my Ubuntu local user
group (Lyon, FR) before moving to an other city. And I have a master in B2B
marketing.

I bet that if all those people trust me, this is because I know what I am
speaking about. This is because I have records of my achievements. I am not
naive, I am speaking about concrete experience of communication and
community management in Floss.

You want examples of proud people being part of a community? Redhat: some
employees are so proud to work for them, that they tattoo the logo on their
body (You think they are stupid, maybe?). Most Eclipse, Drupal and
Wordpress contributors/enthusiasts I know have stickers on their backpack
and laptops and wear shirts at conferences. And outside Floss: in
motorcycle clubs, members are wearing the club jacket with badges about
their rank and achievements (this is gammification). Soccer fan wearing
their club/player shirt in the streets. They are plenty examples. Just look
around you when you go outside.

If you are not proud enough to wear a Ubuntu Studio shirt, it means that
you are perhaps a contributor, but you are not active in the community and
you are not interested to develop it. Set answer is clear on this point.


> For what purpose do you want to advertise clothes? Linux Mint is one of
> the most worse distros I know. It's exactly this point, everybody
> knows it, everybody loves it and all users ask for support on channels
> that have nothing to do with Mint, because there is no huge experienced
> Mint community and there's no good support by Mint forums or mailing
> lists and I already mentioned that Ubuntu Studio Wikis are weak, too
> and regarding the idiotic policy that they cannot be as 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Hellotux shop

[Set Hallstrom]

Hi guys,

Thank you ttoine, for being as transparent as you can, it is highly
appreciated. I fear It does look like they might be using the malformed
CoF and the woodmark does appear to be different from the official one.
You will find the appropriate source-files here:

https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-artwork/current-standard

Thank you Thomas for being concerned about the visual-identity and
thoroughly checking the details. However, AFAIK the CoF is ok to use on
a white background, as you will see in the branch above.

Finally thank you Ralf for pointing out the responsibility that comes
with endorsement. While i do _not_ think that a license in purity is
required to address social/environmental/ethical issues, i think there
are ways to address these issues that are better than others. My
personal relation to you, Ralf, allows me to see through your currently
very unpleasant tone and mentally "hear" your fundamentally good
intentions, but i cringe a bit when i put myself in the shoes of other
people reading you. I cannot speak for ttoine, but i think he means
"ubuntustudio devel-team" when he says "we" in this context. I know you
don't see yourself as a part of this team, Ralf, but as long as you will
participate in discussions here, you become a team-member in the eye of
the list-readers. If you want to continue to discuss things here with
us, i kindly ask you to use a different, less absolute approach and to
mind your tone.

Yours, humbly pleading guilty to imperfection,

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