Re: Mende Kikakui Number 10

2016-06-11 Thread Asmus Freytag (c)
On 6/10/2016 5:34 PM, Andrew Cunningham wrote: There is the logic of how kikakui numbers are encoded in Unicode and there is the internal logic of the numeral system itself. They are not necessarily the same. This statement should be framed! A./

Re: UAX44: loose matching of symbolic values and the `is` prefix

2016-06-06 Thread Asmus Freytag (c)
On 6/6/2016 9:09 AM, Markus Scherer wrote: Interesting discussion! ICU does not support "is" nor "in" prefixes. I wasn't even aware that UAX #44 loose matching prescribes "is". ICU just implements what

Re: U.S. National Weather Service upgrades to ASCII

2016-04-12 Thread Asmus Freytag (c)
On 4/12/2016 11:47 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: Wow! They name that technology "Advanced Weather Interactive Processing System"... The announcement is straight from "Dilbert" : ... Service Level Management Process defines a life cycle of

Re: decode redesign

2016-04-08 Thread Asmus Freytag (c)
On 4/8/2016 9:48 AM, Johannes Bergerhausen wrote: Dear list, after 10 years it was time to redesign www.decodeunicode.org the address with www is not found. A./ I am pleased to report that a beta is online now. There are still

Re: Character Index

2016-04-01 Thread Asmus Freytag (c)
On 4/1/2016 4:20 AM, Janusz S. "Bień" wrote: Both an index and the descriptions can coexist. Personally I think the index should be the primary source. The problem is to find or to desing an appropriate software which would allow to use the available manpower

Re: NamesList.txt as data source

2016-03-29 Thread Asmus Freytag (c)
On 3/29/2016 12:16 AM, Janusz S. "Bień" wrote: The document I refer to is a ISO/IEC document. As far as I know, ISO is quite crazy about copyright. Does the Unicode Consortium policy apply to this document? If so, then on which principle? An explicit agreement with

Re: NamesList.txt as data source

2016-03-28 Thread Asmus Freytag (c)
On 3/28/2016 9:40 PM, Janusz S. "Bień" wrote: If you seriously wanted to present "all that is known about a > character" you would need to excerpt all mentions of it in the core > specification, as well as (potentially) any additional details > presented

Re: NamesList.txt as data source

2016-03-28 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 3/28/2016 4:59 AM, Mark Davis ☕️ wrote: The listing has both the block name and the Nameslist subhead label in listing characters. One can also use the subhead labels in filtering, eg http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=\p{subhead=Archaic%20letters}

Re: NamesList.txt as data source

2016-03-26 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/26/2016 2:10 AM, Janusz S. "Bień" wrote: On Thu, Mar 10 2016 at 22:40 CET, kenwhist...@att.net writes: [...] The *reason* that NamesList.txt exists at all is to drive the tool, unibook, that formats the full Unicode code charts for posting.

Re: Joined "ti" coded as "O" in PDF

2016-03-20 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/20/2016 12:11 AM, Janusz S. Bien wrote: Quote/Cytat - Andrew Cunningham (Sun 20 Mar 2016 12:06:29 AM CET): Hi Don, Latin is fine if you keep to simple well made fonts and avoid using

Re: Purpose of and rationale behind Go Markers U+2686 to U+2689

2016-03-19 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/18/2016 11:48 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: East Asian vertical presentation does not just stack the elements on top of each other, very frequently they rotate them (including Latin/Greek/Cyrillic letters) So this is not really a new complication.

Re: Variations and Unifications ?

2016-03-19 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/16/2016 11:11 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: "Disunification may be an answer?" We should avoid it as well. Disunification is only acceptable when - there's a complete disunification of concepts I

Re: Variations and Unifications ?

2016-03-19 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/15/2016 8:14 PM, David Faulks wrote: As part of my investigations into astrological symbols, I'm beginning to wonder if glyph variations are justifications for separate encoding of symbols I would have previously considered the same or unifiable with symbols

Re: Swapcase for Titlecase characters

2016-03-19 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/18/2016 12:33 PM, Marcel Schneider wrote: As about decomposing digraphs and ypogegrammeni to apply swapcase: That probably would be doing no good, as itʼs unnecessary and users wonʼt expect it. That was my intuition as well, but based on a

Re: Purpose of and rationale behind Go Markers U+2686 to U+2689

2016-03-18 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/18/2016 11:11 AM, Garth Wallace wrote: The enclosure could also be something else than a circle (or arcs of > circle): it could be a rectangle, hintable with joiners (like with circles) > to create an enclosing square, or a rounded rectangle (hintable

Re: annotations

2016-03-15 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/15/2016 7:42 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote: • don't ask for additions or changes Additions and changes to annotations are considered all the time. Well, yes. I meant additions and changes

Re: annotations

2016-03-14 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/14/2016 11:22 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: Ken Whistler wrote: The trick is this: the status of annotational data in NamesList.txt is different than that of normative data like the code points, names, formal name aliases, decomposition mappings, and standardized variation sequences. I get that.

Re: annotations

2016-03-14 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/14/2016 11:33 AM, Janusz S. Bien wrote: Quote/Cytat - Doug Ewell (pon, 14 mar 2016, 19:22:14): Ken Whistler wrote: The trick is this: the status of annotational data in NamesList.txt is different than that of normative data like the code points, names, formal name

Re: annotations

2016-03-13 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/12/2016 10:55 PM, Janusz S. "Bień" wrote: In fact, the possibility of reuse in this context probably among the > unstated rationales for making the information and syntax available in > the first place. I understand there is no intention

Re: NamesList.txt as data source

2016-03-10 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 3/10/2016 5:49 PM, "J. S. Choi" wrote: One thing about NamesList.txt is that, as far as I have been able to tell, it’s the only machine-readable, parseable source of those annotations and cross-references. There are explanations about character use that are only maintained in the PDF of

Re: NamesList.txt as data source (was: Re: Gaps in Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols)

2016-03-10 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/10/2016 2:14 PM, Doug Ewell wrote: Ken Whistler wrote: NamesList.txt should *not* be data mined. And yet it was the only Unicode data file utilized by MSKLC. There are many possible reasons for this approach, which we will probably

Re: Gaps in Mathematical Alphanumeric Symbols

2016-03-10 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/9/2016 7:08 PM, Oren Watson wrote: I was surprised to find out that there are gaps in the Mathematical alphanumeric symbols block (U+1d400 to u+1d7ff). The gaps are associated with the inclusion of

Re: Mammal emoji

2016-03-07 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/7/2016 12:58 PM, Peter Constable wrote: I know you’re not proposing anything and just providing info for discussion. I want to make sure it’s clear to others that there is no requirement for

Re: Failure on Japanese dolls emoji

2016-03-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 3/4/2016 8:51 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: Pierpaolo Bernardi wrote: And the NamesList.txt of Unicode Character Database gives the description: Japanese Hinamatsuri or girls' doll festival. Aren't they the authorities to let the emoji look like

Re: Girl, 12, charged for threatening her school with emojis

2016-02-29 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
usage remains for emotions ; starting in the 1970's these were ASCII art symbols such as the famous :-) 2016-02-29 23:24 GMT+01:00 Asmus Freytag (t) <asmus-...@ix.netcom.com>: On 2/29/2016 1:55 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: . Well emojis were initially designed to track

Re: Girl, 12, charged for threatening her school with emojis

2016-02-29 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/29/2016 1:55 PM, Philippe Verdy wrote: . Well emojis were initially designed to track amotions and form a sort of new language, E-moji means "picture-character" in Japanese, has nothing to do (at first) with emotions. A./

Re: Girl, 12, charged for threatening her school with emojis

2016-02-29 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/28/2016 11:14 PM, Tex Texin wrote: However, how any of this belongs on the Unicode list is beyond me. Surely we do not need to comment on every use of emoji that occurs in the media. But there you are mistaken, my dear sir! We are constantly told that the discussions on this list

Re: Girl, 12, charged for threatening her school with emojis

2016-02-28 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/28/2016 9:04 PM, Karl Williamson wrote: http://abc27.com/2016/02/27/girl-12-charged-for-threatening-emojis/ "The mother says the girl shouldn’t have been charged." In civilized countries 12-year-olds would be considered too young to

Re: Character folding in text editors

2016-02-21 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/21/2016 8:22 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: From: "Asmus Freytag (t)" <asmus-...@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 14:10:04 -0800 What about language-independent character-folding: where in the Unicode data

Re: Character folding in text editors

2016-02-20 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/20/2016 9:56 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: From: Philippe Verdy Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 18:27:41 +0100 Cc: unicode Unicode Discussion Unless we have case folding tailored by language, you cannot do that based on

Re: Possible to add new precomposed characters for local language in Togo?

2016-02-15 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
Mats, it is really useful to document (let me amend that to "immensely useful" to document) the required combinations (perhaps in a Unicode Technical Note on African Writing Systems). It may even be useful to ask for these sequences to become "named

Re: Copyleft Symbol

2016-02-15 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
in the discussions here. A./ Thank You! On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Asmus Freytag (t) <asmus-...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: On 2/15/2016 9:32 AM, Doug

Re: Copyleft Symbol

2016-02-15 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/15/2016 9:32 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote: with the non-standard symbols like the copyleft, there's the desire to not encode stuff based on "passing activism". David Faulks wrote: The samples I

Re: Copyleft Symbol

2016-02-14 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/14/2016 7:42 PM, António Martins-Tuválkin wrote: On 2016.02.15 00:53, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: The key issue is whether this usage is "established". You can always make the case that what

Re: Copyleft Symbol

2016-02-14 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/14/2016 5:18 PM, Michael Everson wrote: On 15 Feb 2016, at 00:53, Asmus Freytag (t) <asmus-...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: On 2/14/2016 3:36 PM, David Faulks wrote: Hello, This subject has been discussed before, bu

Re: Copyleft Symbol

2016-02-14 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/14/2016 3:36 PM, David Faulks wrote: Hello, This subject has been discussed before, but I am somehwat uncertain about something: If the copyleft (reversed ©) symbol was proposed for encoding, with examples (from PDF files) showing it being used in a similar

Re: transliteration of mjagkij znak (Cyrillic soft sign)

2016-02-11 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/11/2016 6:05 AM, QSJN 4 UKR wrote: I can show an example of use both, prime (as soft sign) and apostroph (hemisoft) in Cyrilic-based phonetic transcription (Orthoepic Dictionary of Ukrainian, http://padaread.com/?book=84816=6 http://padaread.com/?book=84816=7)

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/9/2016 1:36 PM, Ken Whistler wrote: On 2/9/2016 1:23 PM, David Faulks wrote: Perhaps Unicode could create a ‘default position’ property for combining characters, and encourage OpenType and other font engines to adopt

Re: Case for letters j and J with acute

2016-02-09 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/9/2016 3:01 PM, Ken Whistler wrote: Just adapt IndicPositionalCategory.txt for Unibook, and you've got what you need. I see. Not quite as simple; Unibook needs overrides that are specifically able to correct bad fonts, not just "dumb" ones. We may want to honor some part of the

Re: transliteration of mjagkij znak (Cyrillic soft sign)

2016-02-08 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/8/2016 5:47 PM, Michael Everson wrote: It’s what I was taught as the scientific romanization for Russian and Slavic in general. Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/ Source? A./

Re: transliteration of mjagkij znak (Cyrillic soft sign)

2016-02-08 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/8/2016 6:39 PM, Charlie Ruland wrote: Am 09.02.2016 schrieb Asmus Freytag (t): On 2/8/2016 5:47 PM, Michael Everson wrote: It’s what I was taught as the scientific romanization for Russian

Re: Uranian Astrology Symbols

2016-02-07 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 2/7/2016 1:02 PM, Chris Jacobs wrote: David Faulks schreef op 2016-02-07 21:20: If the members of this mailing list think a proposal including a separate Eris symbol is acceptable, I will include it in my proposal. Along with, perhaps, some additional symbols... A./ David Seems

Re: Shouldn’t the proposed U+23FF OBSERVER EYE SYMBOL be an emoji ?

2016-02-07 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 2/7/2016 3:09 PM, Frédéric Grosshans wrote: In a few words (more details below), I think this character is actually used beyond optics should be encoded as an emoji with properties (and aspect) similar to  U+1F441 EYE, with a name like EYE SIDE

Re: Uranian Astrology Symbols

2016-02-06 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 2/6/2016 6:11 AM, David Faulks wrote: Hello, I'm investigating the possibility of adding more astrology symbols to Unicode. There is a branch of Western Astrology known as ‘Uranium Astrology’, or the ‘Hamburg School’, which among other things uses a set of 8

Re: Unicode in the Curriculum?

2016-01-06 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
character sets is beyond a standard curriculum, except perhaps History of Computing or Digital Archaeology :) Teach them right the first time. They’ll never use a code page. +1 A./ -Shawn *From:*Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] *On Behalf Of *Asmus Freytag (t) *Sent:* January 6

Re: Unicode in the Curriculum?

2016-01-06 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
ing on the bunny slope at the UTF-8 ski resort. Slap on your snowboard and practice -- get out there onto the 2-, 3- and 4-byte slopes with the experts! --Ken On 1/6/2016 4:09 AM, Andre Schappo wrote: On 4 Jan 2016, at 16:59, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: ASCII sho

Re: Turned Capital letter L (pointing to the left, with serifs)

2016-01-05 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
question is a variant of the greek letter tau (capital or lowercase). The identification to τ is from Asmus Freytag, not me. Mine is a concurring opinion based on ME's suggestion, but corroborated, in my view, by the systematic notational conventions and not merely informed by visual sim

Re: Turned Capital letter L (pointing to the left, with serifs)

2016-01-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 1/4/2016 10:41 AM, Michael Everson wrote: Certainly it does look more like a very common variant of “tau” than “pi” Variant of uppercase tau? A./

Re: Turned Capital letter L (pointing to the left, with serifs)

2016-01-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 1/4/2016 12:15 AM, "Jörg Knappen" wrote: Here is a report of a rather strange beast occurring in historical math printing (work of C. F. Gauß) in thw 19th century:  

Re: Turned Capital letter L (pointing to the left, with serifs)

2016-01-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
my suggestion of pi. Raymond   From: Asmus Freytag (t) Se

Re: Turned Capital letter L (pointing to the left, with serifs)

2016-01-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 1/4/2016 7:49 AM, Michael Everson wrote: Excellent! Looks like a candidate character for encoding. I’m sure I have some examples of good font designs for the old character in one of my books. Admitting that a Greek letter inherently makes more

Re: Aw: Symbol for an upside down capital L, pointing to the right?

2016-01-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 1/4/2016 12:06 AM, "Jörg Knappen" wrote: Err... in what respect would this symbol be different from a CAPITAL GREEK LETTER GAMMA?   --Jörg Knappen A sans-serif L would not have

Re: Unicode in the Curriculum? (Julian Bradfield)

2016-01-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 1/4/2016 6:44 AM, Elizabeth J. Pyatt wrote: Like some others on the list, I believe Unicode should be mentioned at different points in a programming curriculum, particularly at the time when ASCII would be taught. ASCII shouldn't be taught, perhaps?

Re: Unicode in the Curriculum?

2016-01-01 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 1/1/2016 6:00 AM, Andre Schappo wrote: Julian, We have very different POVs on this topic. You raise a number of issues which would take me many many thousands of words to properly discuss. I will attempt a summary discussion of some of the issues. ① IT i18n

Re: Symbol for an upside down capital L, pointing to the right?

2015-12-29 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 12/29/2015 4:01 AM, Michael Everson wrote: On 28 Dec 2015, at 23:48, Asmus Freytag (t) <asmus-...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: Rather than engage in reflexive ad-hoc unification like this, it would be useful to find out why U+2142 was disunified from TOP RIGHT CORNER and any other symbols

Re: Symbol for an upside down capital L, pointing to the right?

2015-12-28 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 12/28/2015 1:26 PM, Jonathan Coxhead wrote: On 2015-12-25 5:43am, Costello, Roger L. wrote: Hi Folks, Here is the upside down capital L, pointing to the left: ⅂ - TURNED SANS-SERIF CAPITAL L (U+2142)

Re: Aw: Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

2015-12-10 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
Bing is pathetic. It treats the letter as if it didn't exist Google maps it to the lowercase, neither allows you to find sites that use just that character. A./

Re: Aw: Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

2015-12-10 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 12/9/2015 11:57 PM, "Jörg Knappen" wrote: Since the captial sharp s is easily available to the public, I see it popping up everywhere in German publications, mostly in an all caps environment. I have a small

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

2015-12-09 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 12/9/2015 9:52 AM, Gerrit Ansmann wrote: After the German spelling reform in 1996, "ß" then became a letter of its own, and words containing the letter "ß" are no longer equivalent to words containing an "ss" combination instead of

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

2015-12-09 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 12/9/2015 3:49 PM, Hans Meiser wrote: Yes, they do it wrong because (1) they don't know better and (2) they let their software convert lower case text into upper case (a feature nearly every typographic software provides). Yet, if we let the majority of

Re: Proposal for German capital letter "ß"

2015-12-09 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 12/9/2015 1:11 PM, Michael Everson wrote: On 9 Dec 2015, at 20:57, Gerrit Ansmann wrote: Proposal: Shouldn't the glyph be amended to match the natural language? Nothing of this is really

Re: ZWJ, ZWNJ and Markup languages.

2015-11-27 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 11/27/2015 11:55 AM, Plug Gulp wrote: Hi, The Unicode standard 8.0 states in chapter 23, section titled "Cursive Connection and Ligatures"(printed page #814, PDF page #850) that: "The zero width joiner and non-joiner characters are designed for use in plain

Re: ZWJ, ZWNJ and Markup languages.

2015-11-27 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 11/27/2015 5:42 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote: On 2015/11/28 04:55, Plug Gulp wrote: The Unicode standard 8.0 states in chapter 23, section titled "Cursive Connection and Ligatures"(printed page #814, PDF page #850)

Re: Aw: New Character Property for Prepended Concatenation Marks

2015-11-26 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 11/26/2015 12:10 AM, "Jörg Knappen" wrote: I wonder how this concept relates to mathematical notation, especially the root sign. It doesn't, for several reasons. One, because mathematical

Re: New Character Property for Prepended Concatenation Marks

2015-11-26 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 11/26/2015 2:41 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: However the proposal for these prepended concatenation marks does not give any hint about how to compute the extent of the following clusters above/over/below/around which they will apply (do they

Re: New Character Property for Prepended Concatenation Marks

2015-11-26 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 11/26/2015 3:08 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: The related definition for extended grapheme clusters says: ( CRLF | Prepend* ( RI-sequence | Hangul-Syllable | !Control )        

Re: New Character Property for Prepended Concatenation Marks

2015-11-26 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 11/26/2015 4:29 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: 2015-11-26 12:38 GMT+01:00 Asmus Freytag (t) <asmus-...@ix.netcom.com <mailto:asmus-...@ix.netcom.com>>: On 11/26/2015 3:08 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: The related definition for extended grapheme clusters says: ( CRLF

Re: The scope of Unicode (from Re: How can my research become implemented in a standardized manner?)

2015-10-22 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/22/2015 9:54 AM, Rick McGowan wrote: Personally, I think you're getting ahead of yourself. First, you should demonstrate that you have done research and produced results that at least some people find so useful and important that they are eager to implement the findings. Then, once you

Re: Unpaired surrogates

2015-10-20 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
When it comes to methods operating on buffers there's always the tension between viewing the buffer as text elements vs. as data elements. For some purposes, from error detection to data cleanup you need to be able to treat the buffer as data elements. For many

Re: Latin glottal stop in ID in NWT, Canada

2015-10-16 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/16/2015 12:18 AM, Marcel Schneider wrote: On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:46:46 -0700, Leo Broukhis wrote: > Along the same lines, should I be able to change my last name > officially to Ƃpyxᴎc? (NB all

Re: Unicode in passwords

2015-10-06 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/6/2015 7:31 AM, Julian Bradfield wrote: All browsers I use display spaces in input boxes, and put blobs for hidden fields. Do you have evidence for broken input fields? Network keys. That interface seems to consistently give people a choice

Re: Why Nothing Ever Goes Away

2015-10-06 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/6/2015 5:24 AM, Sean Leonard wrote: And, why did Unicode deem it necessary to replicate the C1 block at 0x80-0x9F, when all of the control characters (codes) were equally reachable via ESC 4/0 - 5/15? I understand why it is desirable to align

Re: Deleting Lone Surrogates

2015-10-05 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/5/2015 7:51 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote: Not silently ! Even if this removal is required to go on editing, this must be notified to the user as it may occur in unedited parts of the file (and it may be the sign that the document is not fully plain text, so the user should not save the

Re: Deleting Lone Surrogates

2015-10-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/4/2015 6:02 AM, Richard Wordingham wrote: In the absence of a specific tailoring, is the combination of a lone surrogate and a combining mark a user-perceived character? Does a lone surrogate constitute a user-perceived character? In an editing

Re: Deleting Lone Surrogates

2015-10-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/4/2015 12:38 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Sun, 4 Oct 2015 10:50:43 -0700 Markus Scherer wrote: I would not spend any time specifying intricate rules for unpaired surrogates in 16-bit strings, or out-of range values

Re: Acquiring DIS 10646

2015-10-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/4/2015 5:30 AM, Sean Leonard wrote: On 10/3/2015 12:28 PM, Asmus Freytag (t) wrote: On 10/3/2015 8:15 AM, Sean Leonard wrote: Thanks. Well, "DIS 10646" is the Draft Internationa

Re: Deleting Lone Surrogates

2015-10-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/4/2015 2:35 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: However my opinion is that ᒏ�ᒺ (using U+FFFD substitution) gives 2 > grapheme clusters, I would prefer a solution that gives 3 grapheme > clusters, as if the lone surrogate was a line-break control, so that

Re: Deleting Lone Surrogates

2015-10-04 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/4/2015 4:14 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: respect to what to erase or undo. For sequences that belong to a given language, you can pick the behavior that makes most sense in them, but for lone surrogates, by definition you are dealing

Re: Acquiring DIS 10646

2015-10-03 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 10/3/2015 8:15 AM, Sean Leonard wrote: Thanks. Well, "DIS 10646" is the Draft International Standard, particularly Draft 1, from ~1990 or ~1991. (Sometimes it might have been called 10646.1.) Therefore it would likely only be in

Re: Concise term for non-ASCII Unicode characters

2015-09-29 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 9/29/2015 8:40 PM, Sean Leonard wrote: I like the definition of "character" in ASCII: 3.3 Character. A member of a set of elements used for the organization, control, or representation of data. This, by the way, is the

Re: Grapheme clusters and east asian width

2015-09-16 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 9/15/2015 6:45 PM, Daniel Bünzli wrote: Hello, Is there any guidance on how to combine the information given by grapheme clusters and the east asian width property to do fixed-width layouts in terminal emulators ? For example if we have: U+AC01 ( 각 )

Re: [somewhat off topic] straw poll

2015-09-10 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 9/10/2015 11:04 AM, Peter Constable wrote: I was having an offline discussion with someone regarding certain topics that may show up on this list on occasion, and the question came up of what evidence we

Re: String Ranges in Unicode Sets

2015-09-08 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
Mark, it is implied the String Range formulation is a compact form. Can you prove that it doesn't create any set of strings that can't be specified in other ways (other than full enumeration of the strings?). What about set operations on sets with

Re: Upcoming proposal for Bitcoin sign

2015-09-07 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 9/6/2015 10:10 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote: Hello Ken, You write "The bitcoin sign and baht symbol are two unrelated symbols that have some visual similarity.", but don't really give any supporting information for that claim.

Re: String Ranges in Unicode Sets

2015-09-07 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 9/6/2015 11:23 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2015 09:32:42 -0700 Rick McGowan wrote: A proposed update to the LDML specification (UTS #35) will be available for review as of Monday, September 7 at 06:00 GMT. The

Re: Dark beer emoji

2015-09-03 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 9/3/2015 9:15 AM, Shawn Steele wrote: If we have a bunch of ingredients emoji, then do yeast + grain + hops emoji combine into beer emoji?   Only if you add heat, time and water

Re: Technical or encoding sub mailing list ?

2015-09-03 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
Daniel Bünzli wrote: Since I implement parts of the Unicode standard I'm interested in keeping in touch with discussions about the standard and its evolution from a technical point of view. I'm however not interested in the encoding point of view and

Re: Dark beer emoji

2015-09-03 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 9/3/2015 2:09 AM, Marcel Schneider wrote: Asmus already told us that there'll be no soy beans emoji, by lack of iconicity. However, could there be a generic BEANS emoji A coffee bean has a very recognizable shape, and I personally would

Re: Dark beer emoji

2015-09-01 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 9/1/2015 9:37 AM, Doug Ewell wrote: I have no idea whether my proposal is more or less serious, or more or less likely to be adopted, than the original. Well, you didn't consider that each style of beer may be served in a different style glass. :)

Re: Square Brackets with Tick

2015-08-25 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 8/25/2015 12:07 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 09:54:29 +0100 (BST) William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: Richard Wordingham wrote: On Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:00:32 +0100 (BST) William_J_G Overington wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: Looking at the

Re: Square Brackets with Tick

2015-08-22 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 8/22/2015 2:47 PM, Richard Wordingham wrote: But codepoints are normally orderly until they enter the ISO approval process. Thereafter, disorder creeps in, and becomes ever more likely as blocks fill up Haha, good one. . The

Re: Square Brackets with Tick

2015-08-22 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 8/22/2015 9:35 AM, Julian Bradfield wrote: There is no inherent meaning to the order of codepoints, it's just convenience. And for that reason, we have property files to explicitly give the properties rather than asking the user to "glean"

Re: APL Under-bar Characters

2015-08-18 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 8/18/2015 6:18 AM, alexwei...@alexweiner.com wrote: "PUA"? Private use area. A./ PS: "underbar" is Swedish for "wonderful". Go figure. Original Message Subject: RE: APL Under-bar Characters From:

Re: APL Under-bar Characters

2015-08-16 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 8/16/2015 6:57 PM, alexwei...@alexweiner.com wrote: Bug APL, After much discussion with The Unicode Consortium Mailing List, Can we use this to give the characters unique names?

Re: Chess symbol glyphs in code charts

2015-08-14 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 8/14/2015 11:50 AM, Ken Whistler wrote: Garth, The glyphs for the chess symbols in the 26XX block date from Unicode 3.0. Most of the symbols redesigned for the Unicode 3.0 charts were done by John M. Fiscella. (See the font

Re: Chess symbol glyphs in code charts

2015-08-14 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 8/14/2015 1:26 PM, Garth Wallace wrote: Would it be acceptable if I extracted the font from the code chart PDF Extraction of chart font is never acceptable and violates the Terms of Use. No exceptions. and used it as the

Re: The role of documentation in implementation (was: Re: Windows keyboard restrictions)

2015-08-11 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 8/11/2015 11:51 AM, Marcel Schneider wrote: All that, and some more, leads me to the conclusion that when Windows was built, there was often not enough time to write up the documentation; Marcel, please consider that this musing

Re: Windows keyboard restrictions

2015-08-08 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 8/8/2015 6:26 AM, Marcel Schneider wrote: a useless worsening of the usability and of the usefulness of a product. Quote of the day. A./

Re: Windows keyboard restrictions

2015-08-08 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
On 8/8/2015 1:57 PM, Marcel Schneider wrote: Now that I know Andrew is the PM for MSKLC ¹, Probably Mr Glass wasn't Mr Kaplan's boss, so he is to overtake a legacy without having been involved in its generating. I didn't well notice

Re: Emoji characters for food allergens

2015-08-03 Thread Asmus Freytag (t)
been required to learn, and that few people actually do learn to any great extent. Peter *From:*Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] *On Behalf Of *Asmus Freytag (t) *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2015 12:01 PM *To:* unicode@unicode.org *Subject:* Re: Emoji characters for food allergens

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