Re: Egyptian Hieroglyph Man with a Laptop

2020-02-13 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/12/2020 3:26 PM, Shawn Steele via Unicode wrote: From the point of view of Unicode, it is simpler: If the character is in use or have had use, it should be included somehow. That bar, to me, seems too low. Many things are only used

Re: Combining Marks and Variation Selectors

2020-02-02 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/2/2020 5:22 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 16:20:07 -0800 Eric Muller via Unicode wrote: That would imply some coordination among variations sequences on different code points, right? E.g. <0B48> ≡ <0B47, 0B56>,

Twitter corrects Kwanzaa emoji

2019-12-27 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/476086-social-media-users-call-out-twitter-over-kwanzaa-emoji

Re: NBSP supposed to stretch, right?

2019-12-18 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 12/17/2019 5:49 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote, > And any recommendation that is not compatible with what the overwhelming > majority of software has been doing should be ignored (or only

Re: NBSP supposed to stretch, right?

2019-12-17 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 12/17/2019 11:31 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: So it follows that any justification operation should treat NO-BREAK SPACE and SPACE identically. And any recommendation that is not compatible with what the overwhelming majority of software

Re: NBSP supposed to stretch, right?

2019-12-17 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 12/17/2019 2:41 AM, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote: On Tue 17 Dec, 2019, 16:09 QSJN 4 UKR via Unicode, wrote: Agree. By the way,

Re: Is the Unicode Standard "The foundation for all modern software and communications around the world"?

2019-11-19 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/19/2019 3:00 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: It says "foundation", not "sum total, all there is."  I don't think this is much overreach.  MAYBE it counts as "enthusiastic", but not misleading. Why so

Re: Is the Unicode Standard "The foundation for all modern software and communications around the world"?

2019-11-19 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/19/2019 12:04 PM, Michael Everson via Unicode wrote: Of course it’s not “misleading”. Human language is best conveyed by text. One could insert the language in [ ] to make the claim sound less like an overreach. It doesn't even impede the

Re: New Public Review on QID emoji

2019-11-12 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/12/2019 12:32 PM, wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode wrote: > Just because you can write something that is a very detailed specification doesn't mean that it is, or ever should be, a standard. Yes, but that does not mean that

Re: New Public Review on QID emoji

2019-11-12 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/12/2019 8:41 AM, wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote as follows. While I have a certain understanding for the underlying concerns, it still is the case that this proposal promises to be a bad

Re: New Public Review on QID emoji

2019-11-09 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/9/2019 3:18 PM, Peter Constable via Unicode wrote: Neither Unicode Inc. or ISO/IEC 10646 would _implement_ QID emoji. Unicode would provide a specification for QID emoji that software vendors could implement, while ISO/IEC 10646 would not define that

Re: Pure Regular Expression Engines and Literal Clusters

2019-10-13 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 10/13/2019 6:38 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2019 17:13:28 -0700 Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: On 10/13/2019 2:54 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: Besides invalidating complexity metrics, the issue

Re: Pure Regular Expression Engines and Literal Clusters

2019-10-13 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 10/13/2019 2:54 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: Besides invalidating complexity metrics, the issue was what \p{Lu} should match. For example, with PCRE syntax, GNU grep Version 2.25 \p{Lu} matches U+0100 but not . When I'm respecting canonical

Re: Website format (was Re: Unicode website glitches. (was The Most Frequent Emoji))

2019-10-12 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 10/12/2019 1:16 AM, Daniel Bünzli via Unicode wrote: With all due respect for the work that has been done on the new website I think that the new structure significantly decreased the usability of the website for technical users. ^^^  This 

Re: Fwd: The Most Frequent Emoji

2019-10-11 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
Sidebar looks same as on other pages for me. Don't like the design, but that's a different issue. Now, stuff on the bottom: the line with the "terms of use" is at least one font size too small. Esp. if the terms of use are supposed to be a clickable link.

Re: comma ellipses

2019-10-07 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 10/6/2019 10:59 PM, David Starner via Unicode wrote: I still see the encoding of the original ellipsis as a mistake, probably for compatibility with some older standard that included it because the system wasn't smart enough to intelligently handle "..." as

Re: comma ellipses

2019-10-06 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
a "typographically incorrect" comma ellipsis :) A./ On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 5:02 PM Asmus Freytag via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote: On 10/6/2019 4:05 PM, Tex v

Re: comma ellipses

2019-10-06 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 10/6/2019 4:05 PM, Tex via Unicode wrote: Now that comma ellipses (,,,) are a thing (at least on social media) do we need a character proposal?   Asking for a friend,,, J   tex

Re: On the lack of a SQUARE TB glyph

2019-09-30 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 9/30/2019 1:01 AM, Andre Schappo via Unicode wrote: On Sep 27, 1 Reiwa, at 08:17, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: Or one could allow IDS to have leaf components that are any characters, not just ideographic characters, and then one could

Re: On the lack of a SQUARE TB glyph

2019-09-29 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 9/29/2019 7:42 AM, Andre Schappo via Unicode wrote: Or one could allow IDS to have leaf components that are any characters, not just ideographic characters, and then one could have all sorts of fun. I do like that idea André

Re: Proposing mostly invisible characters

2019-09-13 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 9/13/2019 10:50 AM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:56:02 +0300 Henri Sivonen via Unicode wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 15:53 Christoph Päper via Unicode wrote: ISHY/SIHY is especially useful

Re: Proposing mostly invisible characters

2019-09-13 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 9/12/2019 5:53 AM, Christoph Päper via Unicode wrote: ISHY/SIHY is especially useful for encoding (German) noun compounds in wrapped titles, e.g. on product labeling, where hyphens are often suppressed for stylistic reasons, e.g. orthographically correct

Re: PUA (BMP) planned characters HTML tables

2019-08-15 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 8/14/2019 7:49 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: On 2019-08-15 12:25 AM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: Empirically, it has been observed that some distinctions that are claimed by users, standards developers

Re: PUA (BMP) planned characters HTML tables

2019-08-14 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 8/14/2019 2:05 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: This presumes that the premise of user communities feeling strongly about the unacceptable aspect of the variants is valid.  Since it has been reported and nothing seems to be happening, perhaps the

Re: What is the time frame for USE shapers to provide support for CV+C ?

2019-08-08 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 8/8/2019 1:06 AM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: This is not compliant with Unicode, but neither is deliberately treating canonically equivalent forms differently. That. A./

Re: What is the time frame for USE shapers to provide support for CV+C ?

2019-08-07 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
. A./   From: Unicode On Behalf Of Asmus Freytag via Unicode Sent: 07 August 2019 14:19 To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: What is the time frame for USE shapers to provide

Re: What is the time frame for USE shapers to provide support for CV+C ?

2019-08-07 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
What about text that must exist normalized for other purposes? Domain names must be normalized to NFC, for example. Will such strings display correctly if passed to USE? A./ On 8/7/2019 1:39 PM, Andrew Glass via Unicode

Re: New website

2019-07-22 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 7/22/2019 10:00 AM, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: Your helpful suggestions will be passed along to the people working on the new site. In the meantime, please note that the link to the "Unicode Technical Site" has been added to

Re: Displaying Lines of Text as Line-Broken by a Human

2019-07-21 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
There's really no inherent need for many spacing combining marks to have a base character. At least the ones that do not reorder and that don't overhang the base character's glyph. As far as I can  tell, it's largely a convention that

Re: ISO 15924 : missing indication of support for Syriac variants

2019-07-17 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 7/17/2019 6:03 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 01:54:52 +0200 Philippe Verdy via Unicode wrote: In fact the ligatures system for the "cursive" Egyptian Hieratic is so complex (and may also have its own variants

Removing accents and diacritics from a word

2019-07-17 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
A question has come up in another context: Is there any linguistic term for describing the process of removing accents and diacritics from a word to create its “base form”, e.g. São Tomé to Sao Tome? The linguistic term "string normalization"

Re: Proposal to extend the U+1F4A9 Symbol

2019-05-31 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/31/2019 7:12 AM, Michael Everson via Unicode wrote: No, thank you. Not so fast. I think we need to hear from the telemdicine community first. A./ On 31 May 2019, at 11:18, bristol_poo via Unicode wrote:

Re: unicode tweet

2019-05-30 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/30/2019 1:07 AM, Andre Schappo via Unicode wrote: This tweet made me laugh twitter.com/padolsey/status/1133835770773626881 勞 André Schappo

Re: Correct way to express in English that a string is encoded ... using UTF-8 ... with UTF-8 ... in UTF-8?

2019-05-15 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/15/2019 4:22 AM, Costello, Roger L. via Unicode wrote: Hello Unicode experts! Which is correct: (a) The input file contains a string. The string is encoded using UTF-8. (b) The input file contains a string. The string is encoded with UTF-8. (c) The input

Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-05-02 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/2/2019 8:44 AM, J Andrew Lipscomb via Unicode wrote: Why not just use U+25E4 and U+25E2 for the triangles, and U+2215 for the diagonal? Why not wait for evidence of that scheme being used in text. Then we know. A./

Re: Emoji boom?

2019-05-01 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/1/2019 3:23 AM, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L-curdoc.htm The number of emoji-related proposals seems to be increasing compared to the number of script-related ones. Have we reached a plateau re scripts encoding? Somehow

Re: Fw: Latin Script Danda

2019-04-19 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 4/19/2019 6:57 PM, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote: I don't know many modern fonts that display 007C as a broken glyph. In fact I haven't seen a broken line pipe glyph since the MS-DOS days. Nowadays we have 00A6 for that.

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
I suspect that this work would be jibber-jabber to any non-English speaker unfamiliar with the original Haggadah.  No matter how otherwise fluent they might be in emoji communication. You can't escape fundamental theses:

Re: USE Indic Syllabic Category

2019-02-22 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/22/2019 7:29 AM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 09:07:06 + Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: My best hypothesis (not thoroughly tested) is that Windows currently has InSc=Consonant_Killer, but can I look his

Re: Encoding colour (from Re: Encoding italic)

2019-02-13 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/13/2019 5:19 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: And again, all this is before we even consider other issues; I can't shake the feeling that there security nightmares lurking inside this idea. Default ignorables are bad juju. A./

Re: Bidi paragraph direction in terminal emulators

2019-02-09 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/9/2019 12:07 PM, Egmont Koblinger via Unicode wrote: On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 9:01 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: then what you say is that some scripts can never be supported by text terminals. I'm not familiar at all with all the

Re: Bidi paragraph direction in terminal emulators

2019-02-09 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On quick reading this appears to be a strong argument why such emulators will never be able to be used for certain scripts. Effectively, the model described works well with any scripts where characters are laid out (or can be laid out) in fixed width cells

Re: Encoding italic

2019-02-08 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/8/2019 5:42 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: William, Rather than having the user insert the VS14 after every character, the editor might allow the user to select a span of text for italicization.  Then it would be up to

Re: Encoding italic

2019-02-08 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/8/2019 2:08 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 17:16:09 + (GMT) "wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode" wrote: Andrew West wrote: Just reminding you that "The initial

Re: Proposal for BiDi in terminal emulators

2019-02-04 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/4/2019 1:00 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: To me, 'visual order' means in the dominant order of the script. Visual order is a term of art, meaning the characters are ordered in memory in the same order as they are displayed on the

Re: Does "endian-ness" apply to UTF-8 characters that use multiple bytes?

2019-02-04 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/4/2019 11:21 AM, Costello, Roger L. via Unicode wrote: Hello Unicode Experts! As I understand it, endian-ness applies to multi-byte words. Endian-ness does not apply to ASCII characters because each character is a single byte. Endian-ness does apply to

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-31 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/31/2019 12:55 AM, Tex via Unicode wrote: As with the many problems with walls not being effective, you choose to ignore the legitimate issues pointed out on the list with the lack of italic standardization for Chinese braille, text to voice readers, etc. The

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-30 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/30/2019 7:46 PM, David Starner via Unicode wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 12:04 PM James Kass via Unicode wrote: A new beta of BabelPad has been released which enables input, storing, and display of italics, bold, strikethrough, and underline

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-30 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/30/2019 4:38 PM, Kent Karlsson via Unicode wrote: I did say "multiple" and "for instance". But since you ask: ITU T.416/ISO/IEC 8613-6 defines general RGB & CMY(K) colour control sequences, which are deferred in ECMA-48/ISO 6429. (The RGB one is implemented

Re: Proposal for BiDi in terminal emulators

2019-01-30 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
Arabic terminals and terminal emulators existed at the time of Unicode 1.0. If you are trying to emulate those services, for example so that older software can run, you would need to look at how these programs expected to be fed their data. I see

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-26 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/26/2019 10:08 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 21:11:36 -0800 Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: On 1/26/2019 5:43 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: That appears

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-26 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/26/2019 7:53 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 01:55:29 + James Kass via Unicode wrote: Richard Wordingham replied to Asmus Freytag, >> To make matters worse, users for languages that "should" use >> U+02BC

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-26 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/26/2019 6:25 PM, Michael Everson via Unicode wrote: On 27 Jan 2019, at 01:37, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: I’ll be publishing a translation of Alice into Ancient Greek in due course. I will absolutely only use

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-26 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/26/2019 5:43 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 17:11:49 -0800 Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: To make matters worse, users for languages that "should" use U+02BC aren't actually consistent; much data u

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-26 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 11:07 PM Asmus Freytag via Unicode <unicode@unicode.org> wrote:

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/25/2019 10:05 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: For U+2019, there's a note saying 'this is the preferred character to use for apostrophe'. Mark Davis wrote, > When it is between letters it doesn't cause a

Re: Ancient Greek apostrophe marking elision

2019-01-25 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/25/2019 9:39 AM, James Tauber via Unicode wrote: Thank you, although the word break does still affect things like double-clicking to select. And people do seem to want to use U+02BC for this reason (and I'm

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-24 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/24/2019 9:44 PM, Garth Wallace via Unicode wrote: But the root problem isn't the kludge, it's the lack of functionality in these systems: if Twitter etc. simply implemented some styling on their own, the whole thing would be a moot

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-20 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/20/2019 2:55 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: On 2019-01-20 10:49 PM, Garth Wallace wrote: I think the real solution is for Twitter to just implement basic styling and make this a moot point. At which

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-20 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/20/2019 2:49 PM, Garth Wallace via Unicode wrote: I think the real solution is for Twitter to just implement basic styling and make this a moot point. Twitter FB and CO should implement a common "MarkDown"

Re: NNBSP

2019-01-19 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/19/2019 3:53 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Marcel Schneider wrote, > When you ask for knowing the foundations and that knowledge is persistently refused, > you end up believing that those foundations just can’t

Re: Encoding italic

2019-01-19 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/19/2019 12:34 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: On 2019-01-19 6:19 PM, wjgo_10...@btinternet.com wrote: > It seems to me that it would be useful to have some codes that are > ordinary characters in some contexts

Re: NNBSP

2019-01-19 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/18/2019 11:34 PM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: Current practice in electronic publishing was to use a non-breakable thin space, Philippe Verdy reports. Did that information come in somehow? ==>

Re: NNBSP

2019-01-18 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/18/2019 2:46 PM, Shawn Steele via Unicode wrote: >> That should not impact all other users out there interested in a civilized layout. I’m not sure that the choice of the word “civilized” adds value to the conversation. 

Re: NNBSP

2019-01-18 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/18/2019 2:05 PM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: On 18/01/2019 20:09, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: Marcel, about your many detailed *technical* questions about the history of character

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-18 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
I would full agree and I think Mark puts it really well in the message below why some of the proposals brandished here are no longer plain text but "not-so-plain" text. I think we are better served with a solution that provides some form of "light" rich text, for

Re: NNBSP

2019-01-18 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
Marcel, about your many detailed *technical* questions about the history of character properties, I am afraid I have no specific recollection. French is not the only language that uses a space to group figures. In fact, I grew up with thousands separators being

Re: NNBSP

2019-01-18 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/18/2019 7:27 AM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: Covering existing character sets (National, International and Industry) was an (not "the") important goal at the time: such

Re: NNBSP

2019-01-18 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/18/2019 7:27 AM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: I understand only better why a significant majority of UTC is hating French. Francophobia is also palpable in Canada, beyond any technical reasons, especially in the IT

Re: NNBSP

2019-01-17 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/17/2019 9:35 AM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: [quoted mail] But the French "espace fine insécable" was requested long long before Mongolian was discussed for encodinc in

Re: Encoding italic (was: A last missing link)

2019-01-16 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/16/2019 7:38 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Computer text tradition aside, nobody seems to offer any legitimate reason why such information isn't worthy of being preservable in plain-text.  Perhaps there isn't one. By introducing

Re: wws dot org

2019-01-16 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/16/2019 6:33 AM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: So to date, Unicode has only made half its way, and for every single script in the Standard there is another script out there that remains still unsupported. First things

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-14 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/14/2019 5:41 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: On 1/14/19 5:08 AM, Tex via Unicode wrote: This thread has gone on for a bit and I question if there is any more light

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-14 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Asmus Freytag via Unicode Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:21 PM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Re: A last missing lin

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-14 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/14/2019 2:43 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Hans Åberg wrote, > How about using U+0301 COMBINING ACUTE ACCENT: 푝푎푠푠푒́ Thought about using a combining accent.  Figured it would just display with a dotted

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-14 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/14/2019 3:37 PM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 00:02:49 +0100 Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: On 14 Jan 2019, at 23:43, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Hans Åberg wrote, How

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-14 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/14/2019 2:58 PM, David Starner via Unicode wrote: Source code is an example of plain text, and yet adding italics into comments would require but a trivial change to editors. If the user audience cared, it would have been done. In fact, I suspect there exist

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-14 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/14/2019 2:08 AM, Tex via Unicode wrote: Perhaps the question should be put to twitter, messaging apps, text-to-voice vendors, and others whether it will be useful or not. If the discussion continues I would like to see more of a

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-12 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/12/2019 5:22 AM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:57:26 + (GMT) Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: It's also fundamentally misguided. When I _italicize_ a word, I am writing a word composed of (plain old)

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/9/2019 4:41 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: On 1/9/19 2:30 AM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: English use of italics on isolated words to disambiguate the reading of some sentences

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/9/2019 1:37 AM, Tex via Unicode wrote:      James Kass wrote: If a text is published in all italics, that’s style/font choice.  If a text is published using italics and roman

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-09 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/9/2019 1:06 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote, > Still, not supported in plain text (unless you abuse the > math alphabets for things they were not intended for). The unintended

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-08 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/8/2019 10:58 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: If a text is published in all italics, that’s style/font choice.  If a text is published using italics and roman contrastively and consistently, and everybody else is doing it pretty much the same

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-08 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/8/2019 1:11 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote, > ... > (for an extreme example there's an orthography > out there that uses @ as a letter -- we know that > won't work well

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-07 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/7/2019 10:40 PM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: The pitch is that if some languages are still considered “needing” rich text where others are correctly represented in plain text (stress, abbreviations), the Standard needs to be updated in a way

Re: A last missing link for interoperable representation

2019-01-07 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 1/7/2019 7:46 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Making recommendations for the post processing of strings containing the combining low line strikes me as being outside the scope of Unicode, though. Agreed. Those kinds of things are

Re: Compatibility Casefold Equivalence

2018-11-24 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/22/2018 11:58 AM, Carl via Unicode wrote: (It looks like my HTML email got scrubbed, sorry for the double post) Hi, In Chapter 3 Section 13, the Unicode spec defines D146: "A string X is a compatibility caseless match for a string Y if and only if:

Re: Aleph-umlaut

2018-11-12 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
terms of learning about writing systems. For example, is it something that was absolutely common with "standardiyed" conventions, or more of an ad-hoc thing? A./ Anyway, still interesting, I thought. ~mark

Re: Aleph-umlaut

2018-11-11 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/11/2018 4:20 PM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: On 11/11/18 4:16 PM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: On 11/11/2018 12:32 PM, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: Wir sind uns dessen bewusst, dass von

Re: Aleph-umlaut

2018-11-11 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/11/2018 12:32 PM, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: On 11 Nov 2018, at 07:03, Beth Myre via Unicode wrote: Hi Mark, This is a really cool find, and it's interesting that you might have a relative mentioned in it. After looking at it more,

Re: Aleph-umlaut

2018-11-11 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/10/2018 10:03 PM, Beth Myre via Unicode wrote: Hi Mark, I (re-)transliterated it, and it reads: Wir sind uns dessen bewusst, dass von Seite der

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-11-02 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/2/2018 4:31 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Suppose someone found a hundred year old form from Poland which included a section for "sign your name" and "print your name" which had been filled out by a man with the typically Polish name

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-11-01 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/1/2018 7:59 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: Alphabetic script users write things the way they are spelled and spell things the way they are written.  The abbreviation in question as written consists of three recognizable symbols.  An

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-11-01 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/1/2018 10:23 AM, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode wrote: On Thu, Nov 01 2018 at 8:43 -0700, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: On 11/1/2018 12:33 AM, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode wrote: On Wed, Oct 31 2018 at 12:14 -0700, Ken Whistler via Unicode

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-11-01 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/1/2018 12:33 AM, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode wrote: On Wed, Oct 31 2018 at 12:14 -0700, Ken Whistler via Unicode wrote: On 10/31/2018 11:27 AM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: but we don't have an agreement

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-11-01 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 11/1/2018 12:52 AM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 11:35:19 -0700 Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: On the other hand, I'm a firm believer in applying certain styling attributes to things like e-mail or discussion

Re: use vs mention (was: second attempt)

2018-10-31 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
Organic chemistry would need sub/sup alpha, beta and gamma (perhaps others). A./ On 10/31/2018 3:35 PM, Piotr Karocki via Unicode wrote: We don't know whether the abbreviation "Mr", spelled exactly this way, already

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-31 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 10/31/2018 3:37 PM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: On 31/10/2018 19:42, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote: On 10/31/2018 11:10 AM, Marcel Schneider via Unicode wrote: which, if my understanding

Re: second attempt

2018-10-31 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 10/31/2018 2:38 AM, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: You could use the various hacks you've discussed, with modifier letters; but that is not "encoding", that is "abusing Unicode to do markup". At least, that's the view I take! +1 In general, I

Re: A sign/abbreviation for "magister"

2018-10-29 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 10/28/2018 11:50 PM, Martin J. Dürst via Unicode wrote: On 2018/10/29 05:42, Michael Everson via Unicode wrote: This is no different the Irish name McCoy which can be written MᶜCoy where the raising of the c is actually just decorative, though

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