Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-29 Thread David V Glasgow via use-livecode


> On 25 May 2018, at 5:07 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> This, too, is overwhelming. A little disturbing too as it was embarked on
> by people who know very little about me or the facts behind the situation.

Morning, Sean.

There is another way of looking at this.  Many folks don’t know you well, but 
felt a connection.  We don’t need to know all the facts and details.  We 
recognised a fellow coder in distress.  We could imagine how we might feel in 
your situation, because it's a precipice we have all seen at close quarters, 
and at least imagined falling in. 

There was no greater knowledge, connection or judgement required to reach out.  
As far as I am concerned, if it makes you feel better to give the money to a 
deserving cause, that’s fine.  If you use it to help you get back on your feet, 
that’s fine too.  It would be great to see you popping up on this list in 
future, but if not, well, good luck on whatever path you take.  When you find 
yourself in the fortunate position to help out someone else struggling in the 
future (and you will), just 'pay it forward’.

Best wishes,

David Glasgow
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-27 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode


> On 28 May 2018, at 2:40 am, Pi Digital via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the clarification, Monte. 
> 
> But just to clarify in return (respectfully), when I spoke of IDE changes I 
> was specifically referring to the Project Browser (omitted from your quote). 
> As the greatest extent of items within the IDE that need fixing are GUI with 
> the majority of their code within their respective stacks. I’d started on the 
> project browser back n it’s early days but quickly got shut down by two of 
> LCs former coders. I even created a stack comparator but they weren’t 
> interested (surprisingly).

OK well this may or may not have been before my time with the company so I’m 
not sure what as involved. If you find your patch needs to touch scripts in 
binary stacks then I would recommend the following:

- ensure there is a bug/enhancement report for what you want to do
- open up a report requesting the scripts you want to edit be turned into 
script only stacks and mention you will fix the original report if this is 
done. This will need to be done by someone on the team but as it doesn’t take 
long, we want to do it anyway and we like to help out people that are 
contributing we should be able to do it fairly quickly.
- wait for the scriptification then make your patch to that.

If your patch involves changes to the controls on binary stacks then the best 
we can offer at the moment is asking you to write a script that makes the 
changes. That will actually help us if we have a merge conflict and is a 
process we have used once or twice even within the team. For example when 
legacy inks were removed I wrote a script to fix them and we applied it to 
multiple branches die to a merge conflict.

The best thing you can do is communicate with the team what you would like to 
work on and we will help in whatever way we can. Gitter is a good venue for 
such discussions.

> 
> I appreciate, though, that google had been a bit rubbish at notifying, mainly 
> because they relied mostly on notifying when people logged in but our API had 
> silent mode on so we never heard. In my defence however, oAuth and similar 
> have been under review by every provider for the last three years due to 
> security, so perhaps having looked during those years for anything that uses 
> oAuth or similar to ensure they are up to date. Now is probably a good 
> opportunity to check all of the other ones. 

Yes I have opened a report to update the oauth2 library as soon as we can.
> 
> I hope this doesn’t touch a nerve, but why hasn’t the mergext stuff been set 
> as open source also. This would be useful to the community with regards 
> building extensions for LiveCode (similar to the new sockets library). 

There are some mergExt externals that were always open source and still are. 
The rest of it fit into Indy and Business to add product differentiation.
> 
>> All we need is a decent bug report for anything that isn’t open source
> 
> And then we just need to wait several months potentially before that fix sees 
> the light of day. Not helpful!

Not necessarily true either. There are a number of factors that are involved in 
determining what makes it into our fortnightly sprint. Ali is probably the one 
to discuss that though.

Cheers

Monte
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-27 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Sean, with all due respect, Monte probably has a deal with livecode that
enables him to retain ownership of his rights to his code that he wrote in
return for whatever deal he has with livecode.

Wouldn’t you?

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 09:41 Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification, Monte.
>
> But just to clarify in return (respectfully), when I spoke of IDE changes
> I was specifically referring to the Project Browser (omitted from your
> quote). As the greatest extent of items within the IDE that need fixing are
> GUI with the majority of their code within their respective stacks. I’d
> started on the project browser back n it’s early days but quickly got shut
> down by two of LCs former coders. I even created a stack comparator but
> they weren’t interested (surprisingly).
>
> I appreciate, though, that google had been a bit rubbish at notifying,
> mainly because they relied mostly on notifying when people logged in but
> our API had silent mode on so we never heard. In my defence however, oAuth
> and similar have been under review by every provider for the last three
> years due to security, so perhaps having looked during those years for
> anything that uses oAuth or similar to ensure they are up to date. Now is
> probably a good opportunity to check all of the other ones.
>
> I hope this doesn’t touch a nerve, but why hasn’t the mergext stuff been
> set as open source also. This would be useful to the community with regards
> building extensions for LiveCode (similar to the new sockets library).
>
> > All we need is a decent bug report for anything that isn’t open source
>
> And then we just need to wait several months potentially before that fix
> sees the light of day. Not helpful!
>
> Cheers.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
>
> > On 27 May 2018, at 02:11, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sean
> >
> > It is a relief to hear from you. I’m sorry if you were weirded out by
> the help offered. I have struggled in the past to swallow my pride and just
> accept help when I need it. Last year dealing with Rebecca’s cancer was a
> humbling experience for me in this regard.
> >
> > Anyway, there’s a few points I thought it might be helpful to clarify
> for yourself and others below.
> >
> >> Due to various security risks,
> >> Google had decided to deprecate the use of webviews for authenticating
> >> oAuth entry.
> >
> > Although this may appear to be blame shifting I’d like to point out that
> when Dropbox dropped API v1 they sent a number of emails allowing us to get
> prepared to offer something for v2. Google’s little note at the bottom of a
> page you don’t really look for little notes on really didn’t help that much
> clearly.
> >
> >> Despite being distributed as part of LC, mergext is
> >> not open source so can’t be repaired by any of us.
> >
> > All we need is a decent bug report for anything that isn’t open source.
> >
> >> which
> >> we can’t fix easily because it’s part of the ide and they won’t accept
> ide
> >> amendments due to the fact it can’t be checked and compared using
> >> GitHub!!!
> >
> > If the issue is in a script only stack which most things are in the IDE
> then we do accept contributions.
> >
> >> Looking at the latest LC8 release, the ‘fix’ Monte did for mergGoogle
> >> hasn’t been added in. It’s hardly working let alone ‘Stable’ then, is
> it!!
> >
> > This is the main point I wanted to clarify. When I heard of your
> situation I stopped doing the work I had been assigned and started working
> on a fix for you. Doing it as quick as I could meant breaking the mac cross
> compilation so I built for iOS, ensured it worked and posted a link for you
> (or anyone else to access it). So that leaves on the todo list before it
> becomes part of the main distribution for me to fix the mac build, have it
> reviewed by another member of the team and included in the main bundle of
> mergExt builds we include in the distribution. In the meantime we have a
> build that works for those that need it.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Monte
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-27 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
Thanks for the clarification, Monte. 

But just to clarify in return (respectfully), when I spoke of IDE changes I was 
specifically referring to the Project Browser (omitted from your quote). As the 
greatest extent of items within the IDE that need fixing are GUI with the 
majority of their code within their respective stacks. I’d started on the 
project browser back n it’s early days but quickly got shut down by two of LCs 
former coders. I even created a stack comparator but they weren’t interested 
(surprisingly).

I appreciate, though, that google had been a bit rubbish at notifying, mainly 
because they relied mostly on notifying when people logged in but our API had 
silent mode on so we never heard. In my defence however, oAuth and similar have 
been under review by every provider for the last three years due to security, 
so perhaps having looked during those years for anything that uses oAuth or 
similar to ensure they are up to date. Now is probably a good opportunity to 
check all of the other ones. 

I hope this doesn’t touch a nerve, but why hasn’t the mergext stuff been set as 
open source also. This would be useful to the community with regards building 
extensions for LiveCode (similar to the new sockets library). 

> All we need is a decent bug report for anything that isn’t open source

And then we just need to wait several months potentially before that fix sees 
the light of day. Not helpful!

Cheers. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital

> On 27 May 2018, at 02:11, Monte Goulding via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean
> 
> It is a relief to hear from you. I’m sorry if you were weirded out by the 
> help offered. I have struggled in the past to swallow my pride and just 
> accept help when I need it. Last year dealing with Rebecca’s cancer was a 
> humbling experience for me in this regard. 
> 
> Anyway, there’s a few points I thought it might be helpful to clarify for 
> yourself and others below.
> 
>> Due to various security risks,
>> Google had decided to deprecate the use of webviews for authenticating
>> oAuth entry.
> 
> Although this may appear to be blame shifting I’d like to point out that when 
> Dropbox dropped API v1 they sent a number of emails allowing us to get 
> prepared to offer something for v2. Google’s little note at the bottom of a 
> page you don’t really look for little notes on really didn’t help that much 
> clearly.
> 
>> Despite being distributed as part of LC, mergext is
>> not open source so can’t be repaired by any of us.
> 
> All we need is a decent bug report for anything that isn’t open source.
> 
>> which
>> we can’t fix easily because it’s part of the ide and they won’t accept ide
>> amendments due to the fact it can’t be checked and compared using
>> GitHub!!!
> 
> If the issue is in a script only stack which most things are in the IDE then 
> we do accept contributions.
> 
>> Looking at the latest LC8 release, the ‘fix’ Monte did for mergGoogle
>> hasn’t been added in. It’s hardly working let alone ‘Stable’ then, is it!!
> 
> This is the main point I wanted to clarify. When I heard of your situation I 
> stopped doing the work I had been assigned and started working on a fix for 
> you. Doing it as quick as I could meant breaking the mac cross compilation so 
> I built for iOS, ensured it worked and posted a link for you (or anyone else 
> to access it). So that leaves on the todo list before it becomes part of the 
> main distribution for me to fix the mac build, have it reviewed by another 
> member of the team and included in the main bundle of mergExt builds we 
> include in the distribution. In the meantime we have a build that works for 
> those that need it.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Monte
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-26 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
Hi Sean

It is a relief to hear from you. I’m sorry if you were weirded out by the help 
offered. I have struggled in the past to swallow my pride and just accept help 
when I need it. Last year dealing with Rebecca’s cancer was a humbling 
experience for me in this regard. 

Anyway, there’s a few points I thought it might be helpful to clarify for 
yourself and others below.

> Due to various security risks,
> Google had decided to deprecate the use of webviews for authenticating
> oAuth entry.

Although this may appear to be blame shifting I’d like to point out that when 
Dropbox dropped API v1 they sent a number of emails allowing us to get prepared 
to offer something for v2. Google’s little note at the bottom of a page you 
don’t really look for little notes on really didn’t help that much clearly.

>  Despite being distributed as part of LC, mergext is
> not open source so can’t be repaired by any of us.

All we need is a decent bug report for anything that isn’t open source.

> which
> we can’t fix easily because it’s part of the ide and they won’t accept ide
> amendments due to the fact it can’t be checked and compared using
> GitHub!!!

If the issue is in a script only stack which most things are in the IDE then we 
do accept contributions.

> Looking at the latest LC8 release, the ‘fix’ Monte did for mergGoogle
> hasn’t been added in. It’s hardly working let alone ‘Stable’ then, is it!!

This is the main point I wanted to clarify. When I heard of your situation I 
stopped doing the work I had been assigned and started working on a fix for 
you. Doing it as quick as I could meant breaking the mac cross compilation so I 
built for iOS, ensured it worked and posted a link for you (or anyone else to 
access it). So that leaves on the todo list before it becomes part of the main 
distribution for me to fix the mac build, have it reviewed by another member of 
the team and included in the main bundle of mergExt builds we include in the 
distribution. In the meantime we have a build that works for those that need it.

Regards

Monte
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-26 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Hi Sean, its very thoughtful of you to break it down the way you did.

peace and love to you and all the best.





On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 8:45 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello Sean -
>
> Very glad to read your post here.
>
> There are only a couple things that may be useful to address here, but
> chief among them is gratitude for your open discussion of depression.
>
> Culturally we too often stigmatize depression, anxiety, and a whole host
> of other conditions, unable to talk about them as easily as we talk about a
> broken leg or other more strictly physical things.
>
> I believe every conversation about such conditions is a force for good in
> the world, making it easier for folks to express their own stories and for
> others to understand what the experience is like to be able to become more
> effective in supporting our friends.
>
> We don't always get it right, but through healthy open dialog we can all
> learn how to be of ever better service to one another.
>
>
>
> > I’ve not been able to face anyone or anything. I was not happy that
> > the police had been called. I was not happy that my wife found out
> > that way. I was definitely not happy that people had tried contacting
> > my 14yr old son after cyber ploughing my social accounts.
>
> That last part might have been me, and if so I owe you an explanation:
>
> Through friends and family I've had experience with both suicidal ideation
> and actuality, so like many here I took your words quite seriously.
>
> Somehow from that experience something in my instincts told me you'd be
> okay.  Still, as you probably know, the common protocol for anyone
> encountering such ideation is to respond as though it's a likelihood,
> because the stakes cannot be higher and it is something for which there is
> no Undo.
>
> I tried to follow my instincts, but a nagging doubt had me checking
> regional news sources in case I was wrong.  When several days had passed
> and I'd found nothing relevant that was good.  But I also saw nothing from
> you online, not even on LinkedIn; I log in daily anyway, and when you post
> there it's normally a welcome part of my feed.
>
> On LinkedIn your company is listed as having two employees.  You and I are
> already connected, so I took the liberty of clicking "Connect" for the
> second one, in hopes that I might ask only whether they've been in touch
> with you recently.
>
> I did notice that the other Pi employee has the same last name.  I had
> assumed it was your brother.  If that was your son I certainly meant no
> intrusion, nor would have written anything alarming.
>
> As it is the request was never responded to, so I've had no contact with
> anyone on this until replying to you now.
>
>
>
> I've had my own challenges with family and such in recent years, so I have
> at least a sense of some of the burdens you've faced.  I know how sometimes
> things can be overwhelming.  I'm glad your here, both on this planet and on
> this list.  And as you've seen, no matter if you may not notice yourself,
> you've made enough of a strongly favorable impression among the others here
> that they see you as part of their extended family, happy to lend a hand as
> they would any good neighbor.
>
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>
>
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-26 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Curry Kenworthy wrote:
> One general problem is that backward-compatibility
> has been abandoned and even politicized/demonized
> by some of the big players. (Hello Mr. Jobs.) BC
> is actually just part of a bigger concept. I don't
> have the correct word for that concept handy
> (Richard?) but when we build upon other frameworks
> (like FB, Google, or LiveCode itself), it helps
> if the APIs and keywords do not change rapidly.
> A sound foundation. That way "middle" code can be
> designed to last. If the big guys wantonly break
> code, it's an incredible waste that the consumer
> (or someone, sometimes us) has to pay.

I don't have any terminology suggestions there; I think you 
characterized the risks well.


LC is almost unique in its strong support for backward compatibility. 
Many other systems appear cavalier by comparison in that respect, so 
much so that it never even occurs to their users that backward 
compatibility could be something one might ask for.


APIs, though, are in a special class, esp. those related to 
authentication and authorization.  The threat landscape changes almost 
daily, and good service providers will change their APIs to keep up.


I can't recall if it was from Sean or someone else, but earlier in this 
thread someone noted that Google provided some two years of advance 
notice on this particular change, and then went even further to extend 
the EOL date a couple months further than originally announced.


If an app *must* increase its complexity by introducing dependency on 
third-party cloud services over which we will have no control, any and 
all channels for receiving communications from the vendor must be 
closely monitored (white list dev announce addresses, check the dev 
blogs periodically, etc.).


For me, the bigger question is that *must*: "Is introducing dependency 
on an external service over which I have no control truly necessary?"


Sometimes it is, and if so you build for dependency on it and pray.

But if my needs are modest enough that I can handle them myself, I'm 
inclined to do that.


If all I need is a simple UI for folks to enter data and post a tabular 
file to a server for my app to pick up, I might be inclined to make that 
data entry app myself to keep things simple and predictable.


And if the usage scenario is all on one local network, I'd be inclined 
to use a Raspberry Pi or spare PC as the server right there next to me, 
rather than adding the unpredictability that comes with the open Internet.


It's kind of amazing we lose so little data on the Internet, but we do 
from time to time.  And living here in Hollywoodland I can appreciate 
what Sean writes about the pressures involved in studio shoots.  If you 
have a long history in the software biz and haven't spent time on a TV 
production, it's hard to appreciate how different that work environment 
is: Scheduling studio time is hard, once you're there you're burning 
tens of thousands an hour, and it's entertainment so the happy flow of 
every person on set does matter.  In short, the impact of any delay 
ranges from extremely damaging to the production, to intolerably 
destructive.  Studio time is high-pressure time for techs.


Relying only on the local network eliminates the 
rare-but-has-indeed-happened risk of DDoS or DNS attacks and other 
factors that can make a cloud provider unreachable.  Remember when 
Twitter and dozens of other services were knocked offline across the US 
eastern seaboard for several hours in Oct 2016?  The didn't end because 
the good guys stopped it. It ended only because the bad guys apparently 
felt they'd made their point and showed mercy.  It was a muscle-flexing 
exercise, a way to let us know they can do it again at any time, and 
could be sustained for a full day or more if they choose.


With burn rates like studio production, unless the open Internet is 
needed I'd be *very* inclined to move any server the system is dependent 
on to the local net.


And even if the wild west of the open Internet is truly required, unless 
I need the specific features of a third-party service I'd consider 
rolling my own.  Data entry apps to produce tabular data are cheap and 
fun to make in LC, and bring a hundred unknowables under your own control.


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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-26 Thread Jose Enrique Montero via use-livecode
Mr. Sean, I'm sorry to hear your story, thank God, you managed to overcome
it. Nothing is more important than life.

I am from Venezuela, a South American country in dictatorship, with food,
electricity and internet failures. For two years I have been trying to do
something with LIVECODE and I really have not managed financially, there is
a long list of failures but in the end we have to try to solve it as I read
there using other languages' plugins. All that anxiety to survive has also
generated emotionally difficult episodes.

A way that I have tried to focus with my clients. is to tell you that I can
develop a class "B" app, that is useful for "prototype" at a very low price
and in a very short "time" compared to a high UIX app, without many
required features like a datagrid that slides subtly for example. But that
can be useful to show the product idea and raise funds for better
development.

And not to mention the facilities to monetize via advertising or analytics.


But the important thing for me is to continue learning and working hard to
support my family in this "war" environment where I live.

best regards

P.S. Sorry for the English but the subject was written in Spanish and I
used google translator.

Jose Enrique Montero
www.amovenca.com.ve

2018-05-26 12:11 GMT-04:00 AndyP via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:

> Hello Sean,
>
> You've had a tough journey, that's for sure, its good to see that you are
> now thinking about the future and how to move forward.
>
> Wishing you well in whatever direction you decide to go.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Andy Piddock
>
>
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>
> TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
>
>
> Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk
>
> PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker
> / finder.
> http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-26 Thread AndyP via use-livecode
Hello Sean,

You've had a tough journey, that's for sure, its good to see that you are
now thinking about the future and how to move forward.

Wishing you well in whatever direction you decide to go.




-
Andy Piddock 


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode 


Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk  

PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / 
finder.
http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-26 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Thank you, Richmond! You have cheered me up a lot. You make some very good
points and it's good to know I'm not alone in my feelings about so much of
it. Ju and I have been discussing it and what I might focus on instead.
Unfortunately, that means I'd be leaving you guys in the cesspool as I drag
myself to shore. But I'll probably still watch on from the sidelines to see
how things turn out and chime in if necessary.

Thanks very much, again.

Sean

On 26 May 2018 at 11:19, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-26 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
Well, Sean, your message is very long and filled with a lot of stuff; 
so, at the risk of being a bore,
I'll take a long bit replying to all your points; especially as that's 
what I feel it deserves.


On 25/5/2018 7:07 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

Dear All


This is going to be a long one so I’ll break it down into sections to make
it easier to read and get the points across (hopefully).

// Thanks //
First off, a great deal of thanks has to go out to everyone who contacted
both during and after the incident on May 2nd. It is overwhelming to see
the attempts of support offered over the last couple of weeks. Thank you,
each one of you.


// GoFundMe //
This, too, is overwhelming. A little disturbing too as it was embarked on
by people who know very little about me or the facts behind the situation.
Indeed, some of those provided here and on the GFM site were distorted from
the truth of the matter. I would never have asked for this or expected
it... but the generosity demonstrated by so many in the community is so
very much appreciated.

It is necessary, though, to set a few matters straight to make sure all
understand what actually took place and why things got the way they did.


// Background //
On a personal note, I’ve suffered from clinical depression, diagnosed and
medicated since ‘03. During that time I have had 5 serious mental (nervous)
breakdowns. Only one of these had been work-related. What I suffered this
time was only a half breakdown it transpires and has been ‘easier’ to
recover from. My wife, Judith, has been a major contributing factor in this.


I am also familiar with a lot of this (mind you, to be fair, with the 
possible exception of people
who spend their lives herding sheep and cattle up in the mountains, I'm 
sure everyone has had

some seriously purple patches in their lives).

I am an ex-cult member, and still suffer some of the psychological 
effects 36 years later!


snip


// The Incident //


snip

Yup: similar situation about 16 years ago with some educational software 
in Scotland.



// The Repercussions //


Well, in my case, just someone shouting at me, saying things that were 
unbelievably foul-mouthed,

and, inevitably, loss of considerable income for 6 months' hard slog.



// The Abyss //


Thank God I'm a Sociopath/Arrogant sausage? Conceited B. choose your term.



// Lessons Learned //
I’ve still not heard from or spoken to the client just yet.


Don't you just love it when a client just drops you, like a hot potato?


  They will be
unaware of the breakdown I’ve had and I’m not sure, professionally, if I
should tell them.


Nope: don't tell them. Your Mum/Granny/Brother had a terrible something 
. . .



  I certainly don’t feel right putting in my invoice for
the 3-4 months work for this stage of the app as it didn’t work when they
actually needed it.


Hang about. You did do a considerable amount of work, and according to 
your own account a large chunk of the functionality
worked; enough so that the audience seeing the quiz show was 
sufficiently fooled to belive everything was as it should be.


AND: face facts: ALL television is about smoke and mirrors: Quiz shows 
being some of the smokiest!



  That’s the second time a LiveCode app has put me in
this position. I would have been employed to provide the software for the
tv show and others if it all gone as it should but that bridge is now ashes
in the Atlantic. Thanks, LC/Google!

Now I (again!) have to re-evaluate where I go from here. Certainly, my
trust in third-party add-ons has gone and I will never again rely on them.
I would rather rewrite my own than feel I could assume that they had
written it correctly. Despite being distributed as part of LC, mergext is
not open source so can’t be repaired by any of us. LC 9 is a shambles and
still not ready for release - in its current state it’s basically still in
beta. They seem unprepared to fix any of the project browser stuff (which
we can’t fix easily because it’s part of the ide and they won’t accept ide
amendments due to the fact it can’t be checked and compared using
GitHub!!!) and instead keep adding more features elsewhere, themselves
which don’t seem to be anywhere near completion (HTML, native java/objc,
etc). And what have they done to the script editor, the MAIN part of LC we
use - broken!! Little to no decent documentation or tutorials for any of
these features. And a doc ide that makes it impossible to find the guidance
you need.


I am a fortunate chap insofar as LiveCode works 99% for my main act [ 
Devawriter Pro ]


( although it's being poxy down in some parts of the Unicode "undergrowth" )

however, all that you have written about LiveCode and the company's 
attitude chimes in with

my own feelings.

If LiveCode are listening/reading, I would like to suggest that, instead 
of a fancy conference next year
they choose about 24 people who have been developing stuff with LiveCode 
for some time, buy them budget
air tickets and 

Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-25 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Sean:
I have never met you except through this listserve and, if my memory serves, on 
the Direct-L listserve, where you’ve been a generous, respected and positive 
contributor.

The main takeaway I hope you have from this is that the folks on this list 
value you and care about your well-being and we all cringe when something like 
what happened to you, happens to anybody else. I’ve found that, in this world, 
“Sh**t" happens” and there isn’t a heck of a lot we can do about it except try 
hard to not feel like it’s a personal failure. In my case, a botched biopsy 
resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay, close to fatal, which I’m still recovering 
from. It makes me really value the time I have, my wife, my projects, my 
friends,  and sunny days.

Among my friends, we sometimes give “esteem baths”. Please take this outpouring 
of concern and even some $$ as evidence of our esteem and caring for you as a 
colleague and online friend.

Best wishes to you,
Bill

William A. Prothero
Prof Emeritus
University of California, Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA
http://earthlearningsolutions.org


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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-25 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode

Hello Sean -

Very glad to read your post here.

There are only a couple things that may be useful to address here, but 
chief among them is gratitude for your open discussion of depression.


Culturally we too often stigmatize depression, anxiety, and a whole host 
of other conditions, unable to talk about them as easily as we talk 
about a broken leg or other more strictly physical things.


I believe every conversation about such conditions is a force for good 
in the world, making it easier for folks to express their own stories 
and for others to understand what the experience is like to be able to 
become more effective in supporting our friends.


We don't always get it right, but through healthy open dialog we can all 
learn how to be of ever better service to one another.




> I’ve not been able to face anyone or anything. I was not happy that
> the police had been called. I was not happy that my wife found out
> that way. I was definitely not happy that people had tried contacting
> my 14yr old son after cyber ploughing my social accounts.

That last part might have been me, and if so I owe you an explanation:

Through friends and family I've had experience with both suicidal 
ideation and actuality, so like many here I took your words quite seriously.


Somehow from that experience something in my instincts told me you'd be 
okay.  Still, as you probably know, the common protocol for anyone 
encountering such ideation is to respond as though it's a likelihood, 
because the stakes cannot be higher and it is something for which there 
is no Undo.


I tried to follow my instincts, but a nagging doubt had me checking 
regional news sources in case I was wrong.  When several days had passed 
and I'd found nothing relevant that was good.  But I also saw nothing 
from you online, not even on LinkedIn; I log in daily anyway, and when 
you post there it's normally a welcome part of my feed.


On LinkedIn your company is listed as having two employees.  You and I 
are already connected, so I took the liberty of clicking "Connect" for 
the second one, in hopes that I might ask only whether they've been in 
touch with you recently.


I did notice that the other Pi employee has the same last name.  I had 
assumed it was your brother.  If that was your son I certainly meant no 
intrusion, nor would have written anything alarming.


As it is the request was never responded to, so I've had no contact with 
anyone on this until replying to you now.




I've had my own challenges with family and such in recent years, so I 
have at least a sense of some of the burdens you've faced.  I know how 
sometimes things can be overwhelming.  I'm glad your here, both on this 
planet and on this list.  And as you've seen, no matter if you may not 
notice yourself, you've made enough of a strongly favorable impression 
among the others here that they see you as part of their extended 
family, happy to lend a hand as they would any good neighbor.


--
 Richard Gaskin
 Fourth World Systems



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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-25 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode

Sean-

Others have chimed in quite well here, so I'll just add a few comments.

On 05/25/2018 09:07 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode wrote:

> // GoFundMe //
> This, too, is overwhelming. A little disturbing too as it was embarked on
> by people who know very little about me

Mmm... that's where you're wrong. From the time you joined the 
discussions here you've been an active part of the community, at times 
an excellent source of information, at others a welcome gadfly. There 
are a lot of folks in the community here that I know only through email 
and list conversations, and I have no idea what their personas are like. 
And for the most part I don't care. I think the response here was simply 
that one of our own was in trouble. This has nothing to do with you on a 
personal level, and everything to do with you on a personal level.


> It is necessary, though,

Not really, but thanks for the background.

> // Lessons Learned //
> That’s the second time a LiveCode app has put me in this position.

Been there, done that. More times than you.
Points in the LC rant are well taken.

> Their decision to have the next
> conf over in the far west shows their loyalty to, again, only a small 
part

> of the community, the rich and those already in America. Global?!?

Well, the last couple have been in Edinburgh, and while I love the place 
dearly, it's certainly not cheap to fly over from California. But we do 
it. Because I wouldn't miss a chance to network with folks during the 
conference. And remote access to the conference sessions is (almost) 
always offered if you can't make it in person.


--
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftw...@gmail.com

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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-25 Thread Mike Bonner via use-livecode
 Curry-  don't know if such a thing would help your situation, but i'm
attaching a photo of my lift.  Its simply a relatively small i-beam solidly
anchored, a trolly to match, a 2000lb hoist (overkill) and a very simple,
self designed sling hooked to a home made spreader bar.  Lower it, sling in
front, spreader bar in back under my arms, push the button, and voila' I'm
levitating, at which point its easy to peter pan back and forth across the
room.  (Though I look like i'm ready to be processed at a butcher shop)
Compared to the cost of a "professional" ceiling lift, the cost was around
8K less before install costs (because you apparently can't just buy parts
here and DIY.)  Photo isn't great but here it is if LC will let it post.
Ignore the mess.

No go on attaching the photo, so heres the dropbox.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eckjh1hocpqeqx/IMG_2091.JPG?dl=1
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-25 Thread Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode


Mike:

> The most recent hit to my pride was the loss of ability
> to self transfer into my walk in tub

Ah, a fellow traveler indeed! I haven't been able to use my own 
insurmountable tub yet, still doing sponge baths.


Sean:

> I certainly don’t feel right putting in my invoice for
> the 3-4 months work for this stage of the app as it didn’t work
> when they actually needed it.

Always invoice monthly. It's better for everyone. Invoices actually help 
clients see the progress and the work involved, and stay on budget.


I've had at least $12,000 USD but probably closer to 15K in nonpayment 
over the years. That's hard to stomach! Especially when you're seriously 
handicapped, and the blood/sweat for every hour of work is more 
substantial than people realize. There are some people who deliberately 
avoid payment to increase profit or experiment with other people's 
money, but others misunderstand the dev process or just have cashflow 
problems themselves. I try to be understanding of others as they are 
understanding of me. (To paraphrase a famous saying.) But oh yes, it has 
an impact.


Things don't always work out perfectly behind the scenes either. One 
time (FieldTrip) I was delayed for weeks just trying to get a piece of 
info. LC had advised me of a certain upcoming feature that would impact 
addons, so to use the project funds wisely I wanted to make sure that I 
coded it right the first time and took advantage of it. I wanted to wait 
on that before starting the code. But for some reason I could get the 
actual info, no matter who I asked. It was weird; usually info comes 
readily and speedily from LC, precisely the opposite! An unfortunate and 
mysterious fluke. Finally I gave up on getting that info, but then had a 
big health issue and a change in the project partnership/funding, so the 
project timeline and my rep both took a hit, people were disappointed. 
Not fun. Sometimes these things just happen.


But life goes on! The world as a whole is not a terribly gentle place, 
but good people make ALL the difference. And we have some incredibly 
good people here.


> Certainly, my trust in third-party add-ons has gone
> and I will never again rely on them.

LiveCode started as an addon, didn't it? A very welcome one at that! No 
matter where you go, you'll find that all code products tend to draw 
upon other code. The big boys too? Oh yes.


Working over the years with Microsoft Office products I've come to 
understand not only how much code libraries are used, but also how often 
even the "standard" and open-source ones have issues. People who idolize 
Apple, OpenOffice, Google, or Microsoft don't realize the flaws in the 
code bases, but yes, they have bugs and limitations, sometimes in their 
own code and sometimes in the libraries they use. I've had to work 
around Apple and OO bugs/limitations.


One general problem is that backward-compatibility has been abandoned 
and even politicized/demonized by some of the big players. (Hello Mr. 
Jobs.) BC is actually just part of a bigger concept. I don't have the 
correct word for that concept handy (Richard?) but when we build upon 
other frameworks (like FB, Google, or LiveCode itself), it helps if the 
APIs and keywords do not change rapidly. A sound foundation. That way 
"middle" code can be designed to last. If the big guys wantonly break 
code, it's an incredible waste that the consumer (or someone, sometimes 
us) has to pay. I know, this is not what you're hearing from everyone, 
it's not trendy, not the buzzword, but there it is. A well-designed API 
can be relatively stable even as the code behind it constantly evolves. 
We're going to keep seeing a lot more headaches and financial impacts of 
this upside-down and possibly unsustainable approach until some of the 
more well-connected in the tech world decide to change the trend again.


Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/


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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-25 Thread Mike Bonner via use-livecode
 Hey Sean,

While its true that the full details of what was going on weren't
available, there were 2 things that stood out to me from your previous
writings.  Large amounts of distress, and a monetary connection to the
distress.  I can't help with the distress directly, but it just makes sense
to me that sending a bit of financial care your way might help smooth out
this rough patch.  I myself have had to face down my pride issues and
accept help in the past.. well actually all the time due to my health
stuff.  If not for the care of people around me, my position would be much
much worse. The most recent hit to my pride was the loss of ability to self
transfer into my walk in tub, (a thing I learned the hard way.)  People who
care about me got together, designed, and installed a ceiling lift that
works amazingly well.  And I can do an engine swap in my bathroom.  (Its a
mite over-engineered.)  Just one example of people being awesome.

One thing I've taken to heart is a simple saying.  "Accepting the gift,
honors the giver."

If it will help, I'd be honored to assist a bit more, but now that we've
heard from you, I would prefer to leave that to your discretion.  If you
wish, you are welcome to send a direct email to me.

Take care of yourself,

Mike
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Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-25 Thread Heather Laine via use-livecode
Sean. Thank you for writing. I'm so relieved to hear you are still alive. 

At the end of the day, this is what matters. Everything else can be fixed, 
recovered, moved on from.

Just wanted to say that.

Best

Heather


Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 25 May 2018, at 17:07, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear All
> 
> 
> This is going to be a long one so I’ll break it down into sections to make
> it easier to read and get the points across (hopefully).
> 
> // Thanks //
> First off, a great deal of thanks has to go out to everyone who contacted
> both during and after the incident on May 2nd. It is overwhelming to see
> the attempts of support offered over the last couple of weeks. Thank you,
> each one of you.
> 
> 
> // GoFundMe //
> This, too, is overwhelming. A little disturbing too as it was embarked on
> by people who know very little about me or the facts behind the situation.
> Indeed, some of those provided here and on the GFM site were distorted from
> the truth of the matter. I would never have asked for this or expected
> it... but the generosity demonstrated by so many in the community is so
> very much appreciated.
> 
> It is necessary, though, to set a few matters straight to make sure all
> understand what actually took place and why things got the way they did.
> 
> 
> // Background //
> On a personal note, I’ve suffered from clinical depression, diagnosed and
> medicated since ‘03. During that time I have had 5 serious mental (nervous)
> breakdowns. Only one of these had been work-related. What I suffered this
> time was only a half breakdown it transpires and has been ‘easier’ to
> recover from. My wife, Judith, has been a major contributing factor in this.
> 
> The project is one that if been working on since April ‘17 on and off, a
> few weeks at a time. It’s for a tv production company that produces game
> shows in the UK who required a working prototype of a game for development,
> testing, production and pitching purposes. This is the second one I was
> producing for them. The last stage of its production started around
> February with final tweaks and bug fixes along with a couple of new
> features. It all went well and the client had planned to set up a day to
> film a working pilot episode. I continued to bug fix leading up to the day
> till the 2nd of May 3am, the morning of the gig. I went to bed at that time
> happy that everything was working fine.
> 
> /*
> Bear in mind that somewhere in the middle of April 2018, Adobe had also
> changed their policy for oAuth which had repercussions on another client’s
> software who codes in LC5.0.2 (because he prefers to ‘own’ software rather
> than ‘rent’ it). I created a library for him to access Adobe Sign but
> failed from 5.0.2 because it only uses TLS1.0 and Adobe require TLS1.1 or
> 1.2. I was able to fix this with a mini hack of LC5.0.2.
> */
> 
> 
> // The Incident //
> It turns out, however, that at 00:01 PDT (8am BST I think) of May 2nd
> Google changed something key to the App. Due to various security risks,
> Google had decided to deprecate the use of webviews for authenticating
> oAuth entry. Our app used GoogleSheets as a simple way to enable the client
> to update key features of the app live, specifically, questions, categories
> and running orders. The App, which would run live and display on the
> projected screen in front of the contestants, would call on the GSheet with
> updated data through the demo.
> 
> From between 8am and 10am UK time when I eventually woke up, the client had
> evidently been desperately texting, emailing and trying to call me to let
> me know the App wasn’t working anymore. It had been working at first then
> suddenly wasn’t. They would only get a screen that said it could no longer
> authenticate entry and login to Google services. This, of course, baffled
> me as it had all been working fine up to just 7hrs before.
> 
> As the desktop version appeared not to be affected (as I had found after a
> lot of testing that morning) so I used it to create an up to date database
> internally in the app and upload as an enterprise app for them to install.
> This gave them the ability to at least start using it although without the
> ability to update and change the order of events dynamically using the
> Google Sheets method. This was a key part of making it work.
> 
> 
> // The Repercussions //
> Once I got to the studio it was evident how much this had affected
> production. It had all become very clunky with little to no fluidity or
> slickness we would have had if it were working properly. The
> director/producer was understandably perplexed and irritated. It now meant
> that every time an answer was given and a step through the game occurred we
> had to rebuild the application with manually updated data and get each
> device to download the latest version of the app. The game is usually very
> fast paced 

Re: Was: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-25 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
Dear All


This is going to be a long one so I’ll break it down into sections to make
it easier to read and get the points across (hopefully).

// Thanks //
First off, a great deal of thanks has to go out to everyone who contacted
both during and after the incident on May 2nd. It is overwhelming to see
the attempts of support offered over the last couple of weeks. Thank you,
each one of you.


// GoFundMe //
This, too, is overwhelming. A little disturbing too as it was embarked on
by people who know very little about me or the facts behind the situation.
Indeed, some of those provided here and on the GFM site were distorted from
the truth of the matter. I would never have asked for this or expected
it... but the generosity demonstrated by so many in the community is so
very much appreciated.

It is necessary, though, to set a few matters straight to make sure all
understand what actually took place and why things got the way they did.


// Background //
On a personal note, I’ve suffered from clinical depression, diagnosed and
medicated since ‘03. During that time I have had 5 serious mental (nervous)
breakdowns. Only one of these had been work-related. What I suffered this
time was only a half breakdown it transpires and has been ‘easier’ to
recover from. My wife, Judith, has been a major contributing factor in this.

The project is one that if been working on since April ‘17 on and off, a
few weeks at a time. It’s for a tv production company that produces game
shows in the UK who required a working prototype of a game for development,
testing, production and pitching purposes. This is the second one I was
producing for them. The last stage of its production started around
February with final tweaks and bug fixes along with a couple of new
features. It all went well and the client had planned to set up a day to
film a working pilot episode. I continued to bug fix leading up to the day
till the 2nd of May 3am, the morning of the gig. I went to bed at that time
happy that everything was working fine.

/*
Bear in mind that somewhere in the middle of April 2018, Adobe had also
changed their policy for oAuth which had repercussions on another client’s
software who codes in LC5.0.2 (because he prefers to ‘own’ software rather
than ‘rent’ it). I created a library for him to access Adobe Sign but
failed from 5.0.2 because it only uses TLS1.0 and Adobe require TLS1.1 or
1.2. I was able to fix this with a mini hack of LC5.0.2.
*/


// The Incident //
It turns out, however, that at 00:01 PDT (8am BST I think) of May 2nd
Google changed something key to the App. Due to various security risks,
Google had decided to deprecate the use of webviews for authenticating
oAuth entry. Our app used GoogleSheets as a simple way to enable the client
to update key features of the app live, specifically, questions, categories
and running orders. The App, which would run live and display on the
projected screen in front of the contestants, would call on the GSheet with
updated data through the demo.

From between 8am and 10am UK time when I eventually woke up, the client had
evidently been desperately texting, emailing and trying to call me to let
me know the App wasn’t working anymore. It had been working at first then
suddenly wasn’t. They would only get a screen that said it could no longer
authenticate entry and login to Google services. This, of course, baffled
me as it had all been working fine up to just 7hrs before.

As the desktop version appeared not to be affected (as I had found after a
lot of testing that morning) so I used it to create an up to date database
internally in the app and upload as an enterprise app for them to install.
This gave them the ability to at least start using it although without the
ability to update and change the order of events dynamically using the
Google Sheets method. This was a key part of making it work.


// The Repercussions //
Once I got to the studio it was evident how much this had affected
production. It had all become very clunky with little to no fluidity or
slickness we would have had if it were working properly. The
director/producer was understandably perplexed and irritated. It now meant
that every time an answer was given and a step through the game occurred we
had to rebuild the application with manually updated data and get each
device to download the latest version of the app. The game is usually very
fast paced but this had brought it to a near standstill taking all of the
excitement out of it.

The longer it went on the worse and worse I felt. I had little to no time
to come up with an alternative solution and just needed it fixed. But with
Monte 12hrs away and LiveCode £600-£1000 away with only the likely response
of “Nothing we can do till Monte wakes up”, I knew the likelihood of a fix
was 100% not going to come.

To give an idea of what was affected, an hours show like this would usually
take about 2-3hrs to film. This took them 6-7hrs. Considerations are the
studio 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-04 Thread David Glasgow via use-livecode
It was a single problem, but the poor fellow was in hock up to the ears and out 
of time. 

If there is anything positive here it is the response of the community. No 
lectures on what he should have done different, just genuine concern and an 
astonishingly quick fix. 

Best wishes 

David Glasgow

Sent from my  iPad via iBrain & iFingers

LinkedIn

> On 4 May 2018, at 11:07, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I still think for a  client to pull away like that with  a single problem
> that was not insurmountable
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-04 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
That's superhuman Monte.

The last time I remember a company making a fix this quick was when I
posted a bug to the Foxpro people (before they were bought out by
Microsoft).

It logged on with  a 2400 Baud Modem to there "BBS" to get a patched
runtime file back  just over 2 hours - probably took longer to download
than fix.
I still think for a  client to pull away like that with  a single problem
that was not insurmountable didn't augur well for future relationships.

I just hope Sean is reading this list.


Regards Lagi

On 4 May 2018 at 02:47, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean
>
> I realise it may be too late to recover with your client now but I have
> mergGoogle working with google’s OAuth library GTMAppAuth.
>
> The new lcext file is here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/
> 2vuu3jed0dp3wai/mergGoogle.lcext?dl=0
> Updated docs are here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/
> xy62zhetu7yt20r/api.lcdoc?dl=0  xy62zhetu7yt20r/api.lcdoc?dl=0>
>
> The main difference is you need to add your client id reversed as a custom
> url scheme to your app and if you get the `urlWakeUp` message with a url
> for that scheme then you call `mergGoogleAuthResume` with the url. On iOS
> 11+ you don’t need to do that as it uses SFAuthenticationSession which has
> a built in callback. Happy to chat you through it if that helps.
>
> Hoping you are OK
>
> Monte
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-03 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
Hi Sean

I realise it may be too late to recover with your client now but I have 
mergGoogle working with google’s OAuth library GTMAppAuth.

The new lcext file is here: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2vuu3jed0dp3wai/mergGoogle.lcext?dl=0
Updated docs are here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xy62zhetu7yt20r/api.lcdoc?dl=0 


The main difference is you need to add your client id reversed as a custom url 
scheme to your app and if you get the `urlWakeUp` message with a url for that 
scheme then you call `mergGoogleAuthResume` with the url. On iOS 11+ you don’t 
need to do that as it uses SFAuthenticationSession which has a built in 
callback. Happy to chat you through it if that helps.

Hoping you are OK

Monte
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
The issue is google no longer allow you to use webviews in app to do OAuth. So 
basically this rules out anything that doesn’t open up an OS browser. The 
fastest way to resolve this for mergGoogle is to change to using GTMAppAuth 
from GTMOAuth2. It may be that the OAuth2 library can do what’s needed in pure 
LCS (with a few feature additions) by following the implementation details here 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8252 ,  
however, as I’d still need to modify mergGoogle to pass it the auth token I 
think the first step is updating that separately. Hopefully, getting Sean out 
of some of his hot water in the process although from the sounds of things it 
may be too late for that.

> On 3 May 2018, at 10:05 am, zryip theSlug via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know if this would help, but I have native LC code for OAuth2
> working with the google API on LC 8 and 9. I was using it with the google
> calendar API in an experimental lib last year and the code still working.
> Drop me a note and I could send you what I have.

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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread zryip theSlug via use-livecode
Hi,

I don't know if this would help, but I have native LC code for OAuth2
working with the google API on LC 8 and 9. I was using it with the google
calendar API in an experimental lib last year and the code still working.
Drop me a note and I could send you what I have.



On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:50 AM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean
>
> I’m sorry to hear about your situation. It seems from the blog link you
> posted there was a notice on the iOS consent page. We weren’t notified in
> any other way and do not have a bug report open about this. It seems
> neither us, nor any of our users noticed the notice… anyway, we are here
> now and ready to help.
>
> From the sounds of things our OAuth2 script library won’t work for Google
> either so that isn’t an option. I’m looking for alternatives right now.
>
> If there is any chance of recovery with your clients please let me know if
> there is a new deadline to work to and I will do my best to get it done.
>
> Monte
>
> > On 2 May 2018, at 8:55 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
> > deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
> > clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
> > And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
> > Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all days
> > to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> >
> >
> > Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to
> this??
> > I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how behind
> > Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont
> get
> > fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it went
> > it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
> >
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > www.pidigital.co.uk
> >
> >
> > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
I have opened this bug report for mergGoogle

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21255 


I will need to change the api of mergGoogle as you will need to hand it the url 
you get in the urlWakeUp message.

This one is an enhancement request for the OAuth2 library to use AppAuth on 
platforms that can:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21256 


> On 3 May 2018, at 8:50 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean
> 
> I’m sorry to hear about your situation. It seems from the blog link you 
> posted there was a notice on the iOS consent page. We weren’t notified in any 
> other way and do not have a bug report open about this. It seems neither us, 
> nor any of our users noticed the notice… anyway, we are here now and ready to 
> help.
> 
> From the sounds of things our OAuth2 script library won’t work for Google 
> either so that isn’t an option. I’m looking for alternatives right now.
> 
> If there is any chance of recovery with your clients please let me know if 
> there is a new deadline to work to and I will do my best to get it done.
> 
> Monte
> 
>> On 2 May 2018, at 8:55 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
>> deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
>> clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
>> And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
>> Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all days
>> to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to this??
>> I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how behind
>> Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont get
>> fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it went
>> it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
>> 
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>> www.pidigital.co.uk
>> 
>> 
>> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
>> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
Hi Sean

I’m sorry to hear about your situation. It seems from the blog link you posted 
there was a notice on the iOS consent page. We weren’t notified in any other 
way and do not have a bug report open about this. It seems neither us, nor any 
of our users noticed the notice… anyway, we are here now and ready to help.

From the sounds of things our OAuth2 script library won’t work for Google 
either so that isn’t an option. I’m looking for alternatives right now.

If there is any chance of recovery with your clients please let me know if 
there is a new deadline to work to and I will do my best to get it done.

Monte

> On 2 May 2018, at 8:55 pm, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
> deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
> clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
> And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
> Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all days
> to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> 
> 
> Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to this??
> I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how behind
> Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont get
> fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it went
> it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
> 
> 
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> 
> 
> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi All

I have set it up - but I want to have the money go directly to Sean

Ive just read that if I put seans email address in it will send him an
invite so he will be the only one able to withdraw funds.

I am waiting his acceptance but I think we can add to it without him
accepting -I HAVE NO WAY OF WITHDRAWING MONEY FROM THIS ACCOUNT.


https://www.gofundme.com/scemergency


On 2 May 2018 at 18:25, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Lagi,
> This is an excellent idea and a tangible expression of our caring for Sean
> and a way to help. After all, we are a community that can reach out in
> various ways to help each other, and what better way to step up?
>
> Can you post a link to the account?
> Maybe good if his name is on it, so it will be searchable by text we can
> guess.
>
> Bill
>
>
> William A. Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 2, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I just setup a gofundme site - Never done it before but Can anyone tell
> me
> > do we have to put Sean's name on it - what shall I call the page?
> >
> > Talk like that makes me shiver. I have a mate in Canada - he had his
>  card
> > account and paypal compromised a week or  so ago - rent was due no money
> so
> > I Paypald him a large chunk of what I had put aside for my income tax
> > - I have a few months to sort that situation out - but he hadn't - and
> his
> > situation wasn't as bad as Sean's. We need to do this for Sean and his
> > family - I'm sure the work he has put in will come out for the best in
> the
> > end - Otherwise Sean just post your paypal address here - every little
> > helps.
> >
> > Kindest Regards Lagi
> >
> > On 2 May 2018 at 17:42, prothero--- via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sean,
> >> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have
> been
> >> someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please
> >> know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the
> best.
> >> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had
> time
> >> to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
> >>
> >> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
> >>
> >> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay
> >> where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come
> out
> >> of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends
> >> who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike
> >> riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of
> >> some of these random events eventually disappear and we hope something
> is
> >> learned.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best wishes and peace, brother,
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> William Prothero
> >> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> >>
> >>> On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> >>> You can recover from this.
> >>>
> >>> There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> >>>
> >>> Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something
> >> else.
> >>> You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
> >>> thing working.
> >>> Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was
> NOT
> >>> YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> >>> If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
> >>> work in the first place...
> >>>
> >>> personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of
> tech.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> >>> mixstream.org
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
> >> Spent
>  it all getting the project running. It was working up until this
> >> morning so
>  I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly
> p'd. I
>  have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can
> or
>  cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will
> >> never
>  get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can
> come
>  back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
>  abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his
> >> wife
>  and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him
> >> for
>  making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
> 
>  Bye
> 
> 
>  On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > I¹m 

RE: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
Lagi , I'm in. Let me know how to help.

Sean,
I don't "Share" EVER. I don't even have(and never will if I can avoid it) a FB 
account But here it is for what it's worth:

I was working for a major bank in the 80s. I was in Tokyo and I started a 
backup and used the current tape instead of the previous tape(that had not had 
a backup written to it yet). The backup was just starting when the hard drive 
failed. I'll never forget the image engrained in my mind of going back to the 
hotel and the programmer who had been working on this for a couple of months 
holding his plate with a steak on it at the door while I told him all the code 
was lost. I was using one tape and decided to do an a/b set so this would not 
happen but screwed up. I was thinking of going to the roof of the Akasaka 
Prince hotel and Well I relaxed and addressed it. Everyone understood(as 
much as could be expected) and we all pulled together and I was able to dump 
some of the raw data off the drive and get back some of the code. The 
programmer re-wrote the rest of it eliminating the spaghetti code. And the 
higher ups worked with us to deflect much of the fire. Our app was on those big 
screens on Tokyo Stock Exchange floor so you can imagine the pressure of the 
world's financial markets on your shoulders. Cooler heads prevailed and I came 
out the other side with a few bruises but better off in the long run. A better 
product and a lesson well learned.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


-Original Message-
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Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2018 12:59 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
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Subject: Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

Hi All

I just setup a gofundme site - Never done it before but Can anyone tell me do 
we have to put Sean's name on it - what shall I call the page?

Talk like that makes me shiver. I have a mate in Canada - he had his   card
account and paypal compromised a week or  so ago - rent was due no money so I 
Paypald him a large chunk of what I had put aside for my income tax
- I have a few months to sort that situation out - but he hadn't - and his 
situation wasn't as bad as Sean's. We need to do this for Sean and his family - 
I'm sure the work he has put in will come out for the best in the end - 
Otherwise Sean just post your paypal address here - every little helps.

Kindest Regards Lagi

On 2 May 2018 at 17:42, prothero--- via use-livecode < 
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have 
> been someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. 
> Please know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the 
> best.
> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had 
> time to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
>
> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
>
> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital 
> stay where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to 
> come out of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness 
> of Friends who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting 
> back to bike riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. 
> Consequences of some of these random events eventually disappear and 
> we hope something is learned.
>
>
> Best wishes and peace, brother,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> > You can recover from this.
> >
> > There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> >
> > Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for 
> > something
> else.
> > You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get 
> > this thing working.
> > Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening 
> > was NOT YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> > If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve 
> > your work in the first place...
> >
> > personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - mixstream.org
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode < 
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
> Spent
> >> it al

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
Yeah; had a heart attack and a bloody great (quite literally) thrombosis 
3 years ago: fitted with 5 stents.


So: what to do? Well, I certainly wasn't going to lie there in the bed 
moaning my fate like all the losers in the hospital ward:


practised my Bulgarian flirting with the nurses, did some LiveCode 
programming on a laptop, got a bloke to come round
and measure me up for a coffin (just in case) . . . shared some fairly 
black jokes with him: a first for an undertaker in

the world of gloomy Slavs!

But, surprise, surprise, the Devil obviously loves me, as here I am, as 
big a pain in the bum as ever.


Bounce back, Sean, bounce back.

Love, Richmond.

On 2/5/2018 7:42 pm, prothero--- via use-livecode wrote:

Sean,
I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been 
someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please know 
that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best. Please 
take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time to consider 
carefully. Perspectives often change with time.

Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.

FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay where I 
nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out of it a 
little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends who cared for 
me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike riding, outrigger 
canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of some of these random 
events eventually disappear and we hope something is learned.


Best wishes and peace, brother,
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org


On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
You can recover from this.

There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.

Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something else.
You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
thing working.
Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
work in the first place...

personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.


--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract. Spent
it all getting the project running. It was working up until this morning so
I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will never
get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his wife
and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him for
making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).

Bye


On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:


Hi Sean,

I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.

If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One

of

the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have

given

us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.

Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to

stay

on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.

At

present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
at what needs to be updated.

Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread William Prothero via use-livecode
Lagi,
This is an excellent idea and a tangible expression of our caring for Sean and 
a way to help. After all, we are a community that can reach out in various ways 
to help each other, and what better way to step up?

Can you post a link to the account?
Maybe good if his name is on it, so it will be searchable by text we can guess.

Bill


William A. Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On May 2, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I just setup a gofundme site - Never done it before but Can anyone tell me
> do we have to put Sean's name on it - what shall I call the page?
> 
> Talk like that makes me shiver. I have a mate in Canada - he had his   card
> account and paypal compromised a week or  so ago - rent was due no money so
> I Paypald him a large chunk of what I had put aside for my income tax
> - I have a few months to sort that situation out - but he hadn't - and his
> situation wasn't as bad as Sean's. We need to do this for Sean and his
> family - I'm sure the work he has put in will come out for the best in the
> end - Otherwise Sean just post your paypal address here - every little
> helps.
> 
> Kindest Regards Lagi
> 
> On 2 May 2018 at 17:42, prothero--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sean,
>> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been
>> someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please
>> know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best.
>> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time
>> to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
>> 
>> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
>> 
>> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay
>> where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out
>> of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends
>> who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike
>> riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of
>> some of these random events eventually disappear and we hope something is
>> learned.
>> 
>> 
>> Best wishes and peace, brother,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>> 
>>> On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
>>> You can recover from this.
>>> 
>>> There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something
>> else.
>>> You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
>>> thing working.
>>> Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
>>> YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
>>> If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
>>> work in the first place...
>>> 
>>> personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
>>> mixstream.org
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
>> Spent
 it all getting the project running. It was working up until this
>> morning so
 I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
 have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
 cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will
>> never
 get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
 back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
 abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his
>> wife
 and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him
>> for
 making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
 
 Bye
 
 
 On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> 
> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have
>> been
> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that
>> situation
> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most
>> customers
> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential
>> issues
> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
 of
> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
Dear Sean, I hope that the dark clouds pass and you can gain clarity on
what you can do to fix the situation.  Software is hard to get right
especially when there are different development teams involved.  Maybe its
Apple, maybe its Livecode.. maybe its both that could have done something
better, sooner.

However, it is best that you empower yourself to ask what you can do to fix
the situation ...and maybe something will come to mind.

Take a nap, meditate, and clear your mind so that a solution can come to
you.

All the best Sean

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:42 PM, prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been
> someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please
> know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best.
> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time
> to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
>
> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
>
> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay
> where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out
> of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends
> who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike
> riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of
> some of these random events eventually disappear and we hope something is
> learned.
>
>
> Best wishes and peace, brother,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> > You can recover from this.
> >
> > There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> >
> > Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something
> else.
> > You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
> > thing working.
> > Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
> > YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> > If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
> > work in the first place...
> >
> > personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> > mixstream.org
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
> Spent
> >> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this
> morning so
> >> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
> >> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
> >> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will
> never
> >> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
> >> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
> >> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his
> wife
> >> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him
> for
> >> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
> >>
> >> Bye
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sean,
> >>>
> >>> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> >>>
> >>> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have
> been
> >>> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> >>> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that
> situation
> >>> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most
> customers
> >>> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential
> issues
> >>> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
> >> of
> >>> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> >>> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> >>> beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
> >> given
> >>> us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
> >>>
> >>> Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> >>> hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> >>> compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes.
> For
> >>> whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
> >> stay
> >>> on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
> >> At
> >>> present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
> >>> wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a
> look
> >>> at what needs to 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi All

If I wasn't clear as to why I asked the question about gofundme - it's
because people don't want their lives "on social media" and gofundme is
probably as social as it get - lets keep it private between us.

Regards Lagi


On 2 May 2018 at 17:42, prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been
> someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please
> know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best.
> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time
> to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
>
> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
>
> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay
> where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out
> of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends
> who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike
> riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of
> some of these random events eventually disappear and we hope something is
> learned.
>
>
> Best wishes and peace, brother,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> > You can recover from this.
> >
> > There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> >
> > Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something
> else.
> > You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
> > thing working.
> > Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
> > YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> > If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
> > work in the first place...
> >
> > personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> > mixstream.org
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
> Spent
> >> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this
> morning so
> >> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
> >> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
> >> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will
> never
> >> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
> >> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
> >> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his
> wife
> >> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him
> for
> >> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
> >>
> >> Bye
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sean,
> >>>
> >>> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> >>>
> >>> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have
> been
> >>> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> >>> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that
> situation
> >>> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most
> customers
> >>> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential
> issues
> >>> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
> >> of
> >>> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> >>> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> >>> beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
> >> given
> >>> us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
> >>>
> >>> Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> >>> hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> >>> compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes.
> For
> >>> whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
> >> stay
> >>> on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
> >> At
> >>> present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
> >>> wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a
> look
> >>> at what needs to be updated.
> >>>
> >>> Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do
> require
> >>> a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how
> important
> >>> this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>> Kevin 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi All

I just setup a gofundme site - Never done it before but Can anyone tell me
do we have to put Sean's name on it - what shall I call the page?

Talk like that makes me shiver. I have a mate in Canada - he had his   card
account and paypal compromised a week or  so ago - rent was due no money so
I Paypald him a large chunk of what I had put aside for my income tax
- I have a few months to sort that situation out - but he hadn't - and his
situation wasn't as bad as Sean's. We need to do this for Sean and his
family - I'm sure the work he has put in will come out for the best in the
end - Otherwise Sean just post your paypal address here - every little
helps.

Kindest Regards Lagi

On 2 May 2018 at 17:42, prothero--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sean,
> I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been
> someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please
> know that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best.
> Please take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time
> to consider carefully. Perspectives often change with time.
>
> Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.
>
> FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay
> where I nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out
> of it a little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends
> who cared for me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike
> riding, outrigger canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of
> some of these random events eventually disappear and we hope something is
> learned.
>
>
> Best wishes and peace, brother,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> > You can recover from this.
> >
> > There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> >
> > Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something
> else.
> > You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
> > thing working.
> > Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
> > YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> > If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
> > work in the first place...
> >
> > personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> > mixstream.org
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract.
> Spent
> >> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this
> morning so
> >> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
> >> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
> >> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will
> never
> >> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
> >> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
> >> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his
> wife
> >> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him
> for
> >> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
> >>
> >> Bye
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sean,
> >>>
> >>> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> >>>
> >>> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have
> been
> >>> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> >>> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that
> situation
> >>> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most
> customers
> >>> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential
> issues
> >>> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
> >> of
> >>> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> >>> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> >>> beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
> >> given
> >>> us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
> >>>
> >>> Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> >>> hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> >>> compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes.
> For
> >>> whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
> >> stay
> >>> on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
> >> At
> >>> present Monte is asleep - yes 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
Sean,
I’ve seen you on this list, and the Director list for years. You have been 
someone whose kind responses and help have been very appreciated. Please know 
that there are many people who care about you and wish you the best. Please 
take a deep breath and don’t do anything that you haven’t had time to consider 
carefully. Perspectives often change with time.

Best wishes and I’m so sorry for your situation, which sucks big time.

FYI, I had a biopsy in November, which resulted in a 3 mo hospital stay where I 
nearly left this life. Shit happens to us and we hope to come out of it a 
little bit wiser. For me, I gained a lot of awareness of Friends who cared for 
me. I’m still in physical therapy and getting back to bike riding, outrigger 
canoe paddling, and my previous life. Consequences of some of these random 
events eventually disappear and we hope something is learned.


Best wishes and peace, brother,
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On May 2, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
> You can recover from this.
> 
> There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.
> 
> Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something else.
> You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
> thing working.
> Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
> YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
> If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
> work in the first place...
> 
> personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.
> 
> 
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
> 
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract. Spent
>> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this morning so
>> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
>> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
>> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will never
>> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
>> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
>> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his wife
>> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him for
>> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
>> 
>> Bye
>> 
>> 
>> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sean,
>>> 
>>> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
>>> 
>>> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
>>> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
>>> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
>>> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
>>> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
>>> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
>> of
>>> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
>>> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
>>> beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
>> given
>>> us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
>>> 
>>> Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
>>> hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
>>> compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
>>> whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
>> stay
>>> on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
>> At
>>> present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
>>> wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
>>> at what needs to be updated.
>>> 
>>> Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
>>> a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
>>> this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>>> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Stephen Barncard via use-livecode
Whatever, Sean. Please don't even consider suicide.
You can recover from this.

There will be more ( and more forgiving ) clients ahead for you.

Hopefully you own your code and can fix and repurpose it for something else.
You have the possibility, with Monte's help in the morning, to get this
thing working.
Your clients or client's clients should understand this happening was NOT
YOUR FAULT and you would gladly fix it.
If these 'clients' don't understand this - then they don't deserve your
work in the first place...

personally I've had a few of these disasters myself in 50 years of tech.


--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract. Spent
> it all getting the project running. It was working up until this morning so
> I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
> have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
> cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will never
> get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
> back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
> abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his wife
> and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him for
> making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).
>
> Bye
>
>
> On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
> >
> > If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
> > in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> > occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
> > is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
> > and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
> > and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One
> of
> > the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> > industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> > beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have
> given
> > us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
> >
> > Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> > hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> > compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
> > whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to
> stay
> > on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward.
> At
> > present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
> > wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
> > at what needs to be updated.
> >
> > Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
> > a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
> > this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> > LiveCode: Develop Yourself
> >
> >
> >
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread AndyP via use-livecode
Hello Sean,

I don't know you personally but I hope you take on board my sincere personal
message to you.

It sounds like you are in a very bad place at the moment. Please do not do
anything rash, try to get some sleep and let your emotions settle. Then talk
to your wife or if that's to difficult at the moment someone you trust, it
won't be an easy conversation but you need to discuss the way you feel and
try and find a path forward.


Andy Piddock




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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
It's all too too too late. I had no money to get a support contract. Spent
it all getting the project running. It was working up until this morning so
I had no idea that it would be an issue. My client was incredibly p'd. I
have no way to redeem myself. I really couldn't care less if you can or
cannot fix it now. I am £1000's down and well out of pocket. I will never
get it back. I have/will-have lost everything. I don't think I can come
back from this. My life is worth £0, especially to you guys. I'm like
abandon-ware. Your failure cost someone their life (not to mention his wife
and two boys who may well miss him but will be better off without him for
making the mistake of using LC and all things LC!).

Bye


On 2 May 2018 at 16:29, Kevin Miller via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean,
>
> I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.
>
> If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
> in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
> occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
> is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
> and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
> and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One of
> the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
> industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
> beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have given
> us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.
>
> Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
> hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
> compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
> whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to stay
> on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward. At
> present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
> wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
> at what needs to be updated.
>
> Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
> a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
> this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Develop Yourself
>
>
>
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Kevin Miller via use-livecode
Hi Sean,

I¹m very sorry to hear your demo went wrong today.

If its any consolation I¹ve been there and probably most of us have been
in that situation at some point in our careers. Even Steve Jobs had the
occasional demo that didn¹t work out! How you recover from that situation
is probably more important than the fact that it happened. Most customers
and clients understand that tech demos are fraught with potential issues
and will accept that if you can keep a level head and talk to them. One of
the techniques I have for doing demos - in common with many in this
industry - is to practice the whole thing 3 times the day before from
beginning to end. As this change occurred 20th April that would have given
us a few hours to respond Š rather than it being ³too late² now.

Could we have done a better job here? Possibly. We have hundreds and
hundreds of components in LiveCode and we generally try to maintain
compatibility within a couple of weeks of major upgrades and changes. For
whatever reason this change wasn¹t flagged by the processes we use to stay
on top here - and as a result we can review that process going forward. At
present Monte is asleep - yes even he needs sleep sometimes - and as he
wrote this component we really need him to chime in here and take a look
at what needs to be updated.

Generally its faster post to support than this list, though we do require
a support contract in place to help you. Nonetheless given how important
this is for you we will look at this issue when Monte gets up.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Develop Yourself




On 02/05/2018, 15:27, "use-livecode on behalf of Andre Garzia via
use-livecode"  wrote:

>Sean,
>
>Do you have a support package? They don't monitor this list close, it
>might
>be better to call them over the phone while sending a direct email to
>Heather. At least this is somewhat fixable on their side. I remember when
>I
>lost a ton of money when Apple decided that only Obj-C/Cocoa apps would be
>allowed on the store at the same time I was supposed to deliver a project.
>
>This kind of setback happens to everyone in the long run when we're using
>APIs outside our control. My advise would be to ping RunRev directly while
>calling the client, explaining that google deprecated a technology used in
>the project and thus it requires an extension.
>
>On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> It's all too late now. I'm walking with egg on my face. No response
>>from LC
>> still. despite being marked as urgent. To use the browser widget I would
>> have had to write the whole wrapper from scratch rather than use merg
>> dependance. If it had been written properly in the first place it would
>>not
>> have been an issue. Had it had a warning on it (and not suppressed) I
>>would
>> have been aware. Now my life is over. Worst Day Ever! Miserable. Rained
>>on
>> and soaked through. Insurance doesn't cover for events like this and not
>> one person at LC or on here will be able to help me out of this hole. I
>> guess this is goodbye.
>>
>> Sean Cole
>> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>> www.pidigital.co.uk
>> +44(1634)402193
>> +44(7702)116447
>> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is
>>no
>> box!'
>> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside
>>of,
>> but it is yourself!'
>>
>> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
>> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
>>
>> On 2 May 2018 at 15:00, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I wonder if using the browser widget would be a temporary workaround
>>so
>> > that you get the flow the way google is asking for it.
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:38 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not).
>>v9 is
>> > > basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and
>> virtually
>> > > unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it
>>is
>> > > actually fully operational.
>> > >
>> > > Sean Cole
>> > > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>> > > www.pidigital.co.uk
>> > > +44(1634)402193
>> > > +44(7702)116447
>> > > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There
>>is
>> no
>> > > box!'
>> > > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look
>>outside
>> > of,
>> > > but it is yourself!'
>> > >
>> > > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
>> > > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
>> > >
>> > > On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
>> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi Sean,
>> > > >
>> > > > I feel your pain 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
My apologies I didn't realize the gravity of your situation until I read the 
rest of the posts. 

> On May 2, 2018, at 07:39 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 2, 2018, at 03:55 , Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> My clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
> 
> For God's sake tell them not to shoot him while he is still airborne!!!
> 
> Bob S
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode


> On May 2, 2018, at 03:55 , Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> My clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).

For God's sake tell them not to shoot him while he is still airborne!!!

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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Andre Garzia via use-livecode
Sean,

Do you have a support package? They don't monitor this list close, it might
be better to call them over the phone while sending a direct email to
Heather. At least this is somewhat fixable on their side. I remember when I
lost a ton of money when Apple decided that only Obj-C/Cocoa apps would be
allowed on the store at the same time I was supposed to deliver a project.

This kind of setback happens to everyone in the long run when we're using
APIs outside our control. My advise would be to ping RunRev directly while
calling the client, explaining that google deprecated a technology used in
the project and thus it requires an extension.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It's all too late now. I'm walking with egg on my face. No response from LC
> still. despite being marked as urgent. To use the browser widget I would
> have had to write the whole wrapper from scratch rather than use merg
> dependance. If it had been written properly in the first place it would not
> have been an issue. Had it had a warning on it (and not suppressed) I would
> have been aware. Now my life is over. Worst Day Ever! Miserable. Rained on
> and soaked through. Insurance doesn't cover for events like this and not
> one person at LC or on here will be able to help me out of this hole. I
> guess this is goodbye.
>
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> +44(1634)402193
> +44(7702)116447
> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> box!'
> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
> but it is yourself!'
>
> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
>
> On 2 May 2018 at 15:00, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I wonder if using the browser widget would be a temporary workaround so
> > that you get the flow the way google is asking for it.
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:38 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not). v9 is
> > > basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and
> virtually
> > > unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it is
> > > actually fully operational.
> > >
> > > Sean Cole
> > > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > > www.pidigital.co.uk
> > > +44(1634)402193
> > > +44(7702)116447
> > > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is
> no
> > > box!'
> > > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside
> > of,
> > > but it is yourself!'
> > >
> > > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> > > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
> > >
> > > On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Sean,
> > > >
> > > > I feel your pain really!
> > > >
> > > > Just a question wouldn't the Oauth2 that is built in to LC9 work -
> > maybe
> > > > that's the reason it wasn't updated but i'm sure Monty wouldn't be
> > > > dismissive - he was once at the coal face (no pun intended).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards Lagi
> > > >
> > > > On 2 May 2018 at 14:00, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our
> > > slot
> > > > > is over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London
> > > there
> > > > > are plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face
> > > another
> > > > > day of this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any
> chance
> > of
> > > > > being paid. And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something
> > similar
> > > I
> > > > > was told I’d have to pay their extortionate support fee (for their
> > > > bug!!).
> > > > > So screw it and screw everyone. There’s no way of pulling this
> back.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean Cole
> > > > > Pi Digital
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple
> lists
> > we
> > > > > could
> > > > > > keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?
> > > I'm
> > > > > > pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a
> > few
> > > > > > nights.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been
> documenting,
> > > > > >> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping
> > > support
> > > > > from
> > > > > >> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
It's all too late now. I'm walking with egg on my face. No response from LC
still. despite being marked as urgent. To use the browser widget I would
have had to write the whole wrapper from scratch rather than use merg
dependance. If it had been written properly in the first place it would not
have been an issue. Had it had a warning on it (and not suppressed) I would
have been aware. Now my life is over. Worst Day Ever! Miserable. Rained on
and soaked through. Insurance doesn't cover for events like this and not
one person at LC or on here will be able to help me out of this hole. I
guess this is goodbye.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
www.pidigital.co.uk
+44(1634)402193
+44(7702)116447
'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609

On 2 May 2018 at 15:00, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I wonder if using the browser widget would be a temporary workaround so
> that you get the flow the way google is asking for it.
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:38 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not). v9 is
> > basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and virtually
> > unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it is
> > actually fully operational.
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > www.pidigital.co.uk
> > +44(1634)402193
> > +44(7702)116447
> > 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> > box!'
> > 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside
> of,
> > but it is yourself!'
> >
> > eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> > Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
> >
> > On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Sean,
> > >
> > > I feel your pain really!
> > >
> > > Just a question wouldn't the Oauth2 that is built in to LC9 work -
> maybe
> > > that's the reason it wasn't updated but i'm sure Monty wouldn't be
> > > dismissive - he was once at the coal face (no pun intended).
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards Lagi
> > >
> > > On 2 May 2018 at 14:00, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our
> > slot
> > > > is over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London
> > there
> > > > are plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face
> > another
> > > > day of this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any chance
> of
> > > > being paid. And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something
> similar
> > I
> > > > was told I’d have to pay their extortionate support fee (for their
> > > bug!!).
> > > > So screw it and screw everyone. There’s no way of pulling this back.
> > > >
> > > > Sean Cole
> > > > Pi Digital
> > > >
> > > > > On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists
> we
> > > > could
> > > > > keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?
> > I'm
> > > > > pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a
> few
> > > > > nights.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
> > > > >> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping
> > support
> > > > from
> > > > >> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018
> was
> > > > >> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and
> > cost
> > > me
> > > > >> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve
> > got
> > > > very
> > > > >> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get
> LC
> > > > >> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it,
> will
> > > be
> > > > in
> > > > >> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC.
> > And
> > > > not
> > > > >> for the first time!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sean Cole
> > > > >> Pi Digital
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for
> me
> > > just
> > > > 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
I wonder if using the browser widget would be a temporary workaround so
that you get the flow the way google is asking for it.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 9:38 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not). v9 is
> basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and virtually
> unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it is
> actually fully operational.
>
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> +44(1634)402193
> +44(7702)116447
> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> box!'
> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
> but it is yourself!'
>
> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
>
> On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sean,
> >
> > I feel your pain really!
> >
> > Just a question wouldn't the Oauth2 that is built in to LC9 work - maybe
> > that's the reason it wasn't updated but i'm sure Monty wouldn't be
> > dismissive - he was once at the coal face (no pun intended).
> >
> >
> > Regards Lagi
> >
> > On 2 May 2018 at 14:00, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our
> slot
> > > is over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London
> there
> > > are plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face
> another
> > > day of this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any chance of
> > > being paid. And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something similar
> I
> > > was told I’d have to pay their extortionate support fee (for their
> > bug!!).
> > > So screw it and screw everyone. There’s no way of pulling this back.
> > >
> > > Sean Cole
> > > Pi Digital
> > >
> > > > On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists we
> > > could
> > > > keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?
> I'm
> > > > pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a few
> > > > nights.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
> > > >> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping
> support
> > > from
> > > >> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was
> > > >> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
> > > >>
> > > >> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and
> cost
> > me
> > > >> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve
> got
> > > very
> > > >> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC
> > > >> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will
> > be
> > > in
> > > >> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC.
> And
> > > not
> > > >> for the first time!
> > > >>
> > > >> Sean Cole
> > > >> Pi Digital
> > > >>
> > > >>> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me
> > just
> > > >>> fine.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > > >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  Hi
> > > 
> > >  Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and
> > started
> > >  deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer
> works.
> > My
> > >  clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in
> > > >> NOW!).
> > >  And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer
> > > works.
> > >  Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of
> all
> > > >> days
> > >  to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up
> to
> > > >> this??
> > >  I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how
> > > >> behind
> > >  Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously
> > wont
> > > >> get
> > >  fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of
> it
> > > >> went
> > >  it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A
> > > MILLION!!
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Sean Cole
> > >  *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> > >  www.pidigital.co.uk
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  eMail Ts & Cs 

Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode
If he had then it would also be in 8.1.10 or 8.2 (but it is not). v9 is
basically still a beta (a GM beta!) as is incredibly buggy and virtually
unusable for client projects. I wouldn't dare touch it yet till it is
actually fully operational.

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
www.pidigital.co.uk
+44(1634)402193
+44(7702)116447
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box!'
'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
but it is yourself!'

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On 2 May 2018 at 14:28, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Sean,
>
> I feel your pain really!
>
> Just a question wouldn't the Oauth2 that is built in to LC9 work - maybe
> that's the reason it wasn't updated but i'm sure Monty wouldn't be
> dismissive - he was once at the coal face (no pun intended).
>
>
> Regards Lagi
>
> On 2 May 2018 at 14:00, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our slot
> > is over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London there
> > are plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face another
> > day of this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any chance of
> > being paid. And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something similar I
> > was told I’d have to pay their extortionate support fee (for their
> bug!!).
> > So screw it and screw everyone. There’s no way of pulling this back.
> >
> > Sean Cole
> > Pi Digital
> >
> > > On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists we
> > could
> > > keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?  I'm
> > > pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a few
> > > nights.
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
> > >> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping support
> > from
> > >> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was
> > >> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
> > >>
> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
> > >>
> > >> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost
> me
> > >> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve got
> > very
> > >> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC
> > >> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will
> be
> > in
> > >> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC. And
> > not
> > >> for the first time!
> > >>
> > >> Sean Cole
> > >> Pi Digital
> > >>
> > >>> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me
> just
> > >>> fine.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Hi
> > 
> >  Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and
> started
> >  deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works.
> My
> >  clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in
> > >> NOW!).
> >  And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer
> > works.
> >  Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all
> > >> days
> >  to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> > 
> > 
> >  Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to
> > >> this??
> >  I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how
> > >> behind
> >  Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously
> wont
> > >> get
> >  fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it
> > >> went
> >  it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A
> > MILLION!!
> > 
> > 
> >  Sean Cole
> >  *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> >  www.pidigital.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> >  eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Lagi Pittas via use-livecode
Hi Sean,

I feel your pain really!

Just a question wouldn't the Oauth2 that is built in to LC9 work - maybe
that's the reason it wasn't updated but i'm sure Monty wouldn't be
dismissive - he was once at the coal face (no pun intended).


Regards Lagi

On 2 May 2018 at 14:00, Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our slot
> is over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London there
> are plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face another
> day of this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any chance of
> being paid. And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something similar I
> was told I’d have to pay their extortionate support fee (for their bug!!).
> So screw it and screw everyone. There’s no way of pulling this back.
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
>
> > On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists we
> could
> > keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?  I'm
> > pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a few
> > nights.
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
> >> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping support
> from
> >> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was
> >> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
> >>
> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
> >>
> >> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost me
> >> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve got
> very
> >> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC
> >> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will be
> in
> >> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC. And
> not
> >> for the first time!
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >> Pi Digital
> >>
> >>> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me just
> >>> fine.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi
> 
>  Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
>  deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
>  clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in
> >> NOW!).
>  And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer
> works.
>  Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all
> >> days
>  to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> 
> 
>  Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to
> >> this??
>  I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how
> >> behind
>  Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont
> >> get
>  fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it
> >> went
>  it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A
> MILLION!!
> 
> 
>  Sean Cole
>  *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
>  www.pidigital.co.uk
> 
> 
>  eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
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> >>>
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> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>  and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
They would not be able to sort it in the next 1hr by which time our slot is 
over. They’ve had two years to sort this. Fortunately, in London there are 
plenty of trains and cars to run in front of as I can’t face another day of 
this. I’ve lost a huge client, a tonne of work and any chance of being paid. 
And LC won’t care a jot! Last time I had something similar I was told I’d have 
to pay their extortionate support fee (for their bug!!). So screw it and screw 
everyone. There’s no way of pulling this back. 

Sean Cole
Pi Digital

> On 2 May 2018, at 13:52, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists we could
> keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?  I'm
> pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a few
> nights.
> 
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
>> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping support from
>> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was
>> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
>> 
>> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost me
>> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve got very
>> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC
>> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will be in
>> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC. And not
>> for the first time!
>> 
>> Sean Cole
>> Pi Digital
>> 
>>> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me just
>>> fine.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi
 
 Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
 deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
 clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in
>> NOW!).
 And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
 Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all
>> days
 to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
 
 
 Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to
>> this??
 I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how
>> behind
 Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont
>> get
 fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it
>> went
 it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
 
 
 Sean Cole
 *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
 www.pidigital.co.uk
 
 
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>>> 
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>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Dave Kilroy via use-livecode
Sean this sounds like a nightmare. Awful you've been affected like this. 

But please just go for a long walk by the cliffs without jumping off!

Kind regards

Dave



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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Perhaps rather than you and I chasing each other on multiple lists we could
keep the conversation to one list.  Have you tried contacting LC?  I'm
pretty sure when Monte was writing mergGoogle for me, he was up a few
nights.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:49 AM Pi Digital via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting,
> apparently, for the last two years that they would be dropping support from
> using non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was
> apparently their cut off day. We now get this on iPads:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0
>
> Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost me
> personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve got very
> angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC
> support and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will be in
> bed by now. I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC. And not
> for the first time!
>
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
>
> > On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me just
> > fine.
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
> >> deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
> >> clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in
> NOW!).
> >> And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
> >> Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all
> days
> >> to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to
> this??
> >> I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how
> behind
> >> Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont
> get
> >> fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it
> went
> >> it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
> >>
> >>
> >> Sean Cole
> >> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> >> www.pidigital.co.uk
> >>
> >>
> >> eMail Ts & Cs    Pi Digital
> >> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
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> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Pi Digital via use-livecode
It works fine on OSX but not on ios. Google have been documenting, apparently, 
for the last two years that they would be dropping support from using 
non-browser oAuth on iOS and Android devices. 1st May 2018 was apparently their 
cut off day. We now get this on iPads:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpx8jv56crgzj91/IMG_6446.JPG?dl=0

Sucks to be me. The tv game show pilot took months to set up and cost me 
personally £1000’s and it has all fallen to pieces around me. I’ve got very 
angry people staring at me. I certainly have no money left to get LC support 
and Monte, the only one who could do anything about it, will be in bed by now. 
I am so totally screwed because I put my trust in LC. And not for the first 
time!

Sean Cole
Pi Digital

> On 2 May 2018, at 13:43, Mike Kerner via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me just
> fine.
> 
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
>> deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
>> clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
>> And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
>> Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all days
>> to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to this??
>> I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how behind
>> Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont get
>> fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it went
>> it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
>> 
>> 
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Re: URGENT: MergGoogle no longer works on iOS: CLIENTS VERY UNHAPPY

2018-05-02 Thread Mike Kerner via use-livecode
See the thread on the other list.  It appears to be working for me just
fine.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:56 AM Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Apparently, google stopped using their old method of oAuth and started
> deprecation from 1March 2017. As of Apr 20 2018 it no longer works. My
> clients rely on this feature and are shooting a pilot today (as in NOW!).
> And the features built in no longer work as google docs no longer works.
> Months in the making and preparation, and Google choose today of all days
> to disallow it's use. FAB!!!
>
>
> Why oh why oh why was this not addressed in the months leading up to this??
> I am screwed and will not get paid now! I am sick and tired of how behind
> Livecode gets. Off to find a cliff to jump from as this obviously wont get
> fixed in time and I wont have any money to pay my bills as all of it went
> it to putting this together! I'm as good as homeless. THANKS A MILLION!!
>
>
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