Looking for a common service friendly stack design

2007-06-20 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hello all, I am looking for your established approaches, how to arrange an application into one or more stacks or even one or more rev files, so that I still have a good performance and most service friendliness (updates, patches), beside of technical needs, where you use additional rev files as

Re: Looking for a common service friendly stack design

2007-06-20 Thread Scott Kane
From: Tiemo Hollmann TB [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your approach is a starter rev file and a main rev application, how do you go from one file to the other with unloading the first file from memory? If I understand your question correctly this is the automatic behaviour - the first file is not

Re: For Each Anomaly

2007-06-20 Thread Stephen Barncard
You shouldn't be shocked by this. In many languages I've worked with (including HC and BASIC), it's not usually cool to change any loop variable directly, but instead one must work from a copy. Pretty standard practice for years. One can easily use another variable instead. To you it's

AW: Looking for a common service friendly stack design

2007-06-20 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Hi Scott, and you do it just with a go, without closing or destroying the first stack file? Do you need the first one again, or what is the reason not to destroy it? Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Scott Kane Gesendet:

Debugging Hint?

2007-06-20 Thread Scott Rossi
I'm wondering if anyone has a suggestion for finding a script error when the error dialog is (probably not) reporting the true cause of the error. I have a card script handler that is called multiple times from a mouseMove handler. It looks something like this: on unselectObjects if the

Re: [OT] Moderators (was Revolution Freezing or Quitting Unexpectedly)

2007-06-20 Thread Kay C Lan
On 6/20/07, Scott Kane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is actually one of the best programming mailing lists I've joined. Mostly it is helpful. There is some politics but it's the exception and not the rule. I honestly suspect some of thist is tied to the nature of transcript (it's history)

Re: Looking for a common service friendly stack design

2007-06-20 Thread Scott Kane
From: Tiemo Hollmann TB [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you do it just with a go, without closing or destroying the first stack file? Do you need the first one again, or what is the reason not to destroy it? Well. If it's a splash stack then destroying it is going to quit the application I should

Re-2: create field on specific positoin

2007-06-20 Thread runrev260805
Viktoras, thanks for your solution, too. Will give it a try today in the afternon. Best regards, Matthias Original Message Subject: Re: create field on specific positoin (19-Jun-2007 9:49) From:Viktoras Didziulis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] whoops,

Re-2: create field on specific positoin

2007-06-20 Thread runrev260805
Hi Ian, thanks. Hadn´t time yesterday to test, but i will test it today in the afternoon. Best regards, Matthias Original Message Subject: Re: create field on specific positoin (19-Jun-2007 9:19) From:Ian McKnight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oops.

Re: Debugging Hint?

2007-06-20 Thread Stephen Barncard
Scott: I don't know if this will help but try this: watch out for the vague me reference and try something more absolute, like the id or name of the object you are calling 'me'. Sometimes getting the id of me or the owner of me works. I'm wondering if anyone has a suggestion for finding a

Re: [OT] Moderators (was Revolution Freezing or QuittingUnexpectedly)

2007-06-20 Thread Scott Kane
From: Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish to formally register the fact that the temptation to comment on this was great, but. I. resisted. :-) ROFL! Go on I dare ya!! g Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list

My son Andro #2

2007-06-20 Thread Richmond Mathewson
The RR files from Andro's first 3 days are now available for download from: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RRRStudents What are you doing with your nearest and dearest? Love, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better

smtp lib

2007-06-20 Thread runrev260805
Hi, where can i find Shoa Sean´s smtp library? I am creating an app, which shall run unattended on a daily schedule. If an error occurs, the app shall send an email using the inhouse mailserver. revmail just opens the default mailclient, so it is of no use for me at this time. Checked Shoa

[ANN] Updates to the Rev IDE - Inspector

2007-06-20 Thread Shao Sean
I've decided that I can no longer wait for Rev to get around to fixing trivial IDE bugs and have decided to do it myself. I'm sure some of you have noticed my postings in your bug reports - workarounds, me too's or other info - and as such the bugs that are being fixed are being pulled

Player/Image Object always buffer Problems

2007-06-20 Thread Dave
Hi, I have a stack with a player object and am image object. I am trying to capture fames from a movie. I want to play the movie for the one frame, then copy that one into the Image Object/ The following function does this job, however only the first frame is captured, e.g. it looks

Re: [ANN] Updates to the Rev IDE - Inspector

2007-06-20 Thread Dave
Hi, That's great! Is RunRev going to include the fixes in releases? If not, it's going to be hard to keep up to date and a lot of people won't bother. All the Best Dave On 20 Jun 2007, at 11:22, Shao Sean wrote: I've decided that I can no longer wait for Rev to get around to fixing

Re: [ANN] Updates to the Rev IDE - Inspector

2007-06-20 Thread Shao Sean
That's great! Is RunRev going to include the fixes in releases? If not, it's going to be hard to keep up to date and a lot of people won't bother. Who knows if Rev will or not - I BCC'd them on the original post, so hopefully they do. Some of the fixes I submitted the patch code, but after

Re: [ANN] Updates to the Rev IDE - Inspector

2007-06-20 Thread Dave
On 20 Jun 2007, at 12:08, Shao Sean wrote: That's great! Is RunRev going to include the fixes in releases? If not, it's going to be hard to keep up to date and a lot of people won't bother. Who knows if Rev will or not - I BCC'd them on the original post, so hopefully they do. Some of the

Re: Player/Image Object always buffer Problems

2007-06-20 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Dave wrote: I've had this before and found that the always buffer property has to be set correctly for it to work. However, as far as I know, the always buffer on the Player object should be set to true, but when I do this RunRev Crashes. Why is this? Can't tell you why Rev crashes

the files functions doesn't work correctly with diacritical characters

2007-06-20 Thread xavier . bury
Hi everyone, I have this file scanner that does some file listings and which needs to compare outputs with a shell dir.exe command (in windows 2003). The shell is too slow but it is the only one that shows me which files are DHSM based (offline storage off the main storage). The problem i

Re: the files functions doesn't work correctly with diacritical characters

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Smith
Isn't the output of the files urlEncoded? Maybe you knew this already, but it caught me out on one occasion Mark On 20 Jun 2007, at 12:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I have this file scanner that does some file listings and which needs to compare outputs with a shell

Re: Player/Image Object always buffer Problems

2007-06-20 Thread Dave
Hi Scott, This is weird, it doesn't work here. What happens if you set alwaysBuffer to true? I don't understand a couple of things about your snippet: set the currentTime of player 1 to (F * the timeScale of player 1) In my case the timeScale is 600, so frame number * timeScale would

corrupted/nonstandard jpg crash

2007-06-20 Thread David Glasgow
On 20 Jun 2007, at 5:00 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There used to be a crashing bug (I thought it was fixed now though) where a corrupted or non-standard image could bring down the engine. That might be what's happening here. The solution is to delete the image and re-import, preferably

Hierachical listfield

2007-06-20 Thread Felix Theissen
Hello, i am looking for an hierachical listfield, where it is easy to reoder the entries by draging around the entrys (it schould work in this way: if i drag a parent item of the list, then all other child item related to the parent item should be dragged along with the parent item) Is there

Re: happy anniversary

2007-06-20 Thread Jim Carwardine
I was in 1967 - wired a few boards, but... we had sequential disk. In 57 I was more concerned about my turtle... Jim on 6/18/07 10:29 PM, Phil Davis wrote: Hats off to you, Cal. I didn't enter the world of D.P. until 1978. You were a seasoned veteran by then. Phil Davis Cal Horner

Re: [ANN] Updates to the Rev IDE - Inspector

2007-06-20 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Hi all you open sorcerers; now I see what there was so much discussion. Well, I hope RR uses your fixes and that they haven't been duplicating your efforts. Perhaps what we need is a daily list of the bugs being resolved that day published so that guys and gals like Shao can verify that

Re: smtp lib

2007-06-20 Thread Kay C Lan
On 6/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where can i find Shoa Sean´s smtp library? If Shao Sean does not mind: Is there anyone, who can send me the file or a download link? He's just posted so I think you'll find what you're looking for here: Find both of these at my site:

Re: the files functions doesn't work correctly with diacritical characters

2007-06-20 Thread xavier . bury
I think i found the problem: The font (ms sans serif) of the fields in the revVariableWatcher doesn't show the diacriticals as expected!!! The Tahoma font works fine... well, sometimes... set the directory to fld path put the files into fld log -- works great at least in a tahoma field. Which

Re-2: smtp lib

2007-06-20 Thread runrev260805
Hi i´ve visited that site before i posted. I cannot find this library there. I hoped, the ssCommandLib would contain it, but it doesn´t. :-( Matthias Original Message Subject: Re: smtp lib (20-Jun-2007 14:53) From:Kay C Lan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: the files functions doesn't work correctly with diacritical characters

2007-06-20 Thread xavier . bury
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 20/06/2007 13:49:08: Isn't the output of the files urlEncoded? Maybe you knew this already, but it caught me out on one occasion Mark Hi Mark, No, i knew that but that's only for the detailed files. And url decode doesn't work for the shell output. Maybe

Re: For Each Anomaly

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Björnke et al- Tuesday, June 19, 2007, 9:40:50 PM, you wrote: This is looking completely wrong at the issue. A variable should be changeable, it's in the definition of the name. If a variable is not changeable it should be renamed to constant or maybe don'ttouchthisthingy. If a user

Re: Debugging Hint?

2007-06-20 Thread Tereza Snyder
On Jun 20, 2007, at 3:34 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote: watch out for the vague me reference and try something more absolute, like the id or name of the object you are calling 'me'. Sometimes getting the id of me or the owner of me works. What's vague about me? As far as I'm concerned, me is

Re: For Each Anomaly

2007-06-20 Thread Jim Ault
On 6/19/07 9:40 PM, Björnke von Gierke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is looking completely wrong at the issue. A variable should be changeable, it's in the definition of the name. If a variable is not changeable it should be renamed to constant or maybe don'ttouchthisthingy. Variable means

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Devin Asay
On Jun 19, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: On 6/20/07, Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like this technique, but there are lots of times when I've created a button, given it a name and label, then down the road decided that the label isn't exactly right and needs to be changed for

Re: Debugging Hint?

2007-06-20 Thread Jim Ault
It seems something unexpected is happening. Can you set the property from the message box? Does this happen in every instance? Can you put the uCurrObj of me into msg? and get something that can be evaluated/ (that is, non-binary?) Try 'exit to top', since the calling handler may be expecting a

[ANN] Check for Rev updates 1.1

2007-06-20 Thread Eric Chatonet
Hi all, I have taken the opportunity of Rev 2.8.1 GM2 release to make my 'Check for Rev updates' plugin less intrusive: Now it will only quietly chirp at Rev startup when there is no update available to confirm the job has been done and the update window will only appear if there is an

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Devin Asay
On Jun 19, 2007, at 11:17 PM, Shari wrote: The list is at http://revolution.byu.edu/design/bestpractices.html I'm interested in anyone's thoughts about them. Are they helpful? Could some of them inadvertently cause problems down the road? Have I left something important out? on Thoughts

Re: For Each Anomaly

2007-06-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
Jim Ault wrote: Some uses of variable definitions work faster and better if they are cast, then not changed, or allowed to be changed. I prefer to have the speed offered by 'repeat for each' than have it changed to a method that requires constant rechecking of the value of a 'variable'.

Re: Hierachical listfield

2007-06-20 Thread Björnke von Gierke
i am looking for an hierachical listfield... Is there an easy solution for it. No, there are some workarounds here and there to include hierarchical list fields, but they all are complicated, and i don't remember anyone made one that had drag and drop. sorry Björnke -- official ChatRev

Re: For Each Anomaly

2007-06-20 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 20 Jun 2007, at 16:20, Jim Ault wrote: On 6/19/07 9:40 PM, Björnke von Gierke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is looking completely wrong at the issue. A variable should be changeable, it's in the definition of the name. If a variable is not changeable it should be renamed to constant or

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Shari
Excellent point. And this happens quite a bit with beginning students. How easy is it to inadvertently alt/option-drag an object? Or Command/Control-C then Command/Control-V,V? (Oops! didn't realize I hit paste twice!) Another naming gotcha: Have you ever gotten an object doesn't exist

Re: Player/Image Object always buffer Problems

2007-06-20 Thread Dave
Hi All, More on this. I changed the code to compare the current image data to the previous image data. When I do this, I find that the data returned from the snapshot command is the *same* on each iteration (the frames should all be different), so it's just moving the same image into the

Re: Player/Image Object always buffer Problems

2007-06-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
Dave wrote: Hi All, More on this. I changed the code to compare the current image data to the previous image data. When I do this, I find that the data returned from the snapshot command is the *same* on each iteration (the frames should all be different), so it's just moving the same image

Re: Player/Image Object always buffer Problems

2007-06-20 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Jun 20, 2007, at 9:31 AM, Dave wrote: Hi All, More on this. I changed the code to compare the current image data to the previous image data. When I do this, I find that the data returned from the snapshot command is the *same* on each iteration (the frames should all be different),

Re: corrupted/nonstandard jpg crash

2007-06-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
David Glasgow wrote: On 20 Jun 2007, at 5:00 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There used to be a crashing bug (I thought it was fixed now though) where a corrupted or non-standard image could bring down the engine. That might be what's happening here. The solution is to delete the image and

Re: AW: Looking for a common service friendly stack design

2007-06-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: and you do it just with a go, without closing or destroying the first stack file? Do you need the first one again, or what is the reason not to destroy it? The destroystack property is permanent and stored with the stack. You only need to set it once during

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Along the lines of this discussion, I recently stumbled across this article by Joel which I found useful: Making Wrong Code Look Wrong http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Wrong.html -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___

Notorious Decadence

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Somewhat OT and FYI, I thought this was an interesting short piece on defining business opportunities: http://voices.allthingsd.com/20070618/antonio-perez/ -- Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: Player/Image Object always buffer Problems

2007-06-20 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Dave wrote: This is weird, it doesn't work here. What happens if you set alwaysBuffer to true? Works the same. I don't understand a couple of things about your snippet: set the currentTime of player 1 to (F * the timeScale of player 1) In my case the timeScale is 600, so

Re: Hierachical listfield

2007-06-20 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Felix Theissen wrote: i am looking for an hierachical listfield, where it is easy to reoder the entries by draging around the entrys (it schould work in this way: if i drag a parent item of the list, then all other child item related to the parent item should be dragged along

Re: For Each Anomaly

2007-06-20 Thread Jim Ault
On 6/20/07 8:56 AM, Björnke von Gierke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some uses of variable definitions work faster and better if they are cast, then not changed, or allowed to be changed. I prefer to have the speed offered by 'repeat for each' than have it changed to a method that requires

Speed boost with private handlers?

2007-06-20 Thread Wilhelm Sanke
The What's new text and the Engine Change Log for 2.8.1 state for private handlers that there is a speed boost as private handlers do not have to go through the message path. Has anybody experienced such a speed boost and could he/she provide a sample script or sample stack where such a speed

Re: Debugging Hint?

2007-06-20 Thread Ken Ray
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:43:18 -0700, Scott Rossi wrote: Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? I'm betting it's something in the mouseMove handler itself - do you have any lines that use the target in your mouseMove handler? THe reason I say this is I've been caught a similar way with an error

Re: Player/Image Object always buffer Problems

2007-06-20 Thread Dave
Hi, With the switch to and from tool mode, the image and the player are one frame apart, e.g. it should run like this: FramePlayer Image 22 22 -- 22 22 22 27 27 22 27 27 27 32 32

Re: Speed boost with private handlers?

2007-06-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Wilhelm Sanke wrote: The What's new text and the Engine Change Log for 2.8.1 state for private handlers that there is a speed boost as private handlers do not have to go through the message path. Has anybody experienced such a speed boost and could he/she provide a sample script or sample

Re: Hierachical listfield

2007-06-20 Thread Jan Schenkel
--- Felix Theissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, i am looking for an hierachical listfield, where it is easy to reoder the entries by draging around the entrys (it schould work in this way: if i drag a parent item of the list, then all other child item related to the parent item

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Devin- Keep standard handlers (i.e., mouseUp) as short as possible, putting the real code in separate handlers: on mouseUp doSomething end mouseUp on doSomething --lots of code here end doSomething -- Quote string literals: Use hello instead of hello.

Re: For Each Anomaly

2007-06-20 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 20 Jun 2007, at 19:47, Jim Ault wrote: ... constant myConstant = myVar repeat for each line with constant LNN in myConstant ... end repeat To be sure, Björnke, computer languages can be confusing. Try Applescript and its highly-unintuitive world of variables!! What a headache. You

Re: Re-2: smtp lib

2007-06-20 Thread Sakari Ruoho
maybe this will help you out? http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries.php [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi i´ve visited that site before i posted. I cannot find this library there. I hoped, the ssCommandLib would contain it, but it doesn´t. :-( Matthias Original Message Subject: Re:

RunRev 2.8.1.470

2007-06-20 Thread Dave
Hi, I am having loads of trouble with version RunRev 2.8.1.470, apart from the strange the problems with the player object, this version frequently crashes for no apparent reason. For instance I double- clicked the player object in the IDE to get its property inspector and it crashed

Re: RunRev 2.8.1.470

2007-06-20 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
Running the same version on an IntelMac with OS10.4.9; on choosing the Stack Inspector, then trying to inspect almost any of the cards in the stack (I haven't tried all of them), the first try is a Dialog saying there is an error selecting that card; however, it does take me to that card,

Re: RunRev 2.8.1.470

2007-06-20 Thread Shari
Hi, I am having loads of trouble with version RunRev 2.8.1.470, apart from the strange the problems with the player object, this version frequently crashes for no apparent reason. For instance I double-clicked the player object in the IDE to get its property inspector and it crashed with

libSmtp is back online

2007-06-20 Thread Shao Sean
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Re: For Each Anomaly

2007-06-20 Thread Stephen Barncard
Down with the experts, long live the inexperienced Fooey. That's a ridiculous statement. Everybody's inexperienced in the ways of Rev at first. And Rev isn't perfect, but neither is Democracy or the English language. For most of us X-talk speaks to us and we like to code that way. A lot

[slightly [OT]] A little Help removing Galaxy

2007-06-20 Thread Len Morgan
I know this isn't the Galaxy support forum but I seem to have trouble getting through the Basecamp system they use for support. Can someone tell me an easy way to stop Galaxy from starting up when I launch Rev? I've tried renaming files, moving folders, nothing seems to work. It always

Re: [slightly [OT]] A little Help removing Galaxy

2007-06-20 Thread Derek Bump
Len, To be sure that the problem isn't Galaxy, you should consider installing a fresh copy of Revolution and testing the problem you are experiencing in your copy of Rev with Galaxy. This way if there is a problem with your code (and I'm not saying there is) then you don't have to risk causing

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Devin Asay
Thanks Mark. On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Keep standard handlers (i.e., mouseUp) as short as possible, putting the real code in separate handlers: on mouseUp doSomething end mouseUp on doSomething --lots of code here end doSomething --

Re: RunRev 2.8.1.470

2007-06-20 Thread Devin Asay
On Jun 20, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Dave wrote: Hi, I am having loads of trouble with version RunRev 2.8.1.470, apart from the strange the problems with the player object, this version frequently crashes for no apparent reason. For instance I double- clicked the player object in the IDE to get

Re: For Each Anomaly

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Smith
On 20 Jun 2007, at 20:37, Björnke von Gierke wrote: Adding description for every unexpected behaviour is like trying to prevent a breach in a dyke by explaining to the water that it should go somewhere else. If the language would behave as expected, there would be less airquote bug

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Devin Asay wrote: Declare your local variables and enable the variable checking by default option. It will help prevent typos and cut down your debugging time. Right. On this one I have to weigh the gain of catching typos against the pain of giving beginning students yet One More Thing to

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
Richard Gaskin wrote: So given the freedom of not using explicitVars while fleshing out algorithms, is it really a valuable thing and I'm just lazy? For the record, I don't like explicitVars because: 1. The main strength of xtalk is that you do not have to declare or type variables.

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Ken Ray
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:21:17 -0700, Richard Gaskin wrote: Devin Asay wrote: Declare your local variables and enable the variable checking by default option. It will help prevent typos and cut down your debugging time. Right. On this one I have to weigh the gain of catching typos

RunRev updates [was RunRev 2.8.1.470]

2007-06-20 Thread Shari
BTW, have you checked for updates recently? There is a 2.8.1 gm-2, build 471 available. Don't know if it addresses any of these issues. Regards, Devin How do you know before downloading what version of 2.8.1 it is? I couldn't find anything on their downloads page differentiating the

Re: RunRev updates [was RunRev 2.8.1.470]

2007-06-20 Thread J. Landman Gay
Shari wrote: How do you know before downloading what version of 2.8.1 it is? I couldn't find anything on their downloads page differentiating the builds. I looked in the RevDeveloper area as well, and found nothing. Where are the goodies hiding? In Rev's Help menu: Check for updates. --

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Brian Yennie
Perhaps a candidate for a plugin which adds the declarations in automatically? It might not achieve 100% success, but a simple one I would think could catch 99% and do it pretty quickly... Although personally, I think I'm more or less with Richard and Jacque on this one - it *seems* like

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Brian Yennie
Ken... please... stop... reading... my mind!!! =) Brian Actually, I have a stack I made that allows you to develop without local declarations and then after the fact run this utility and it will add the declarations for you. :-) Best of both worlds...

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Stephen Barncard
nice now that you've mentioned said stack, do you have plans to offer it in some way, or is it not ready for prime time? Actually, I have a stack I made that allows you to develop without local declarations and then after the fact run this utility and it will add the declarations for

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Smith
But doesn't that kind of interfere with the point of explicitVars? I mean that if you have a typo somewhere (myVat instead of myVar, for example), does your stack then add a local myVat as well as a local myVar declaration? best, Mark On 20 Jun 2007, at 23:11, Ken Ray wrote: Actually,

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Jim Lambert
In the old Oracle Media Objects fields had a built-in label, which you could show/hide/style/etc. I kinda miss that convenience. Jim Lambert On Jun 19, 2007, at 9:00 PM, Jacque wrote: Devin Asay wrote: On Jun 19, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Ken Ray wrote: I generally don't give names to label

ClipboardData Refresh

2007-06-20 Thread Trevor Hopkins
I have a Revolution stack designed to run in the system background and to constantly check the clipboard for particular contents. The problem I'm having is that the clipboardData variable only refreshes when I bring the Revolution stack active (to the foreground). Similarly, if I have an

Re: [slightly [OT]] A little Help removing Galaxy

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Derek- ...but to answer the question, look in your plugins folder and move the Galaxy Xxx Startup.rev plugin somewhere else (where xxx is the Galaxy version). Then launch the IDE and you should be Galaxy-free. This is a sad state to be in, and I'm sure as soon as you find your problem you'll

Re: ClipboardData Refresh

2007-06-20 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Jun 20, 2007, at 3:51 PM, Trevor Hopkins wrote: I have a Revolution stack designed to run in the system background and to constantly check the clipboard for particular contents. The problem I'm having is that the clipboardData variable only refreshes when I bring the Revolution stack

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Devin- Right. On this one I have to weigh the gain of catching typos against the pain of giving beginning students yet One More Thing to remember while they're struggling to get their heads around the whole idea of variables. LOL -- Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque- 5. And finally, what's wrong with being lazy? :) The smart programmer finds the easiest way to do things. That's what Rev is all about. And for me laziness is most definitely part of the solution: it's much easier for me to have the compiler tell me I've made a typo and said put

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Mark Wieder
Ken- Actually, I have a stack I made that allows you to develop without local declarations and then after the fact run this utility and it will add the declarations for you. :-) Best of both worlds... Yes, I've done that too, and I've found quite a few bugs in the IDE that way. I think

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Ken Ray
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:27:10 +0100, Mark Smith wrote: But doesn't that kind of interfere with the point of explicitVars? I mean that if you have a typo somewhere (myVat instead of myVar, for example), does your stack then add a local myVat as well as a local myVar declaration? Absolutely!

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Joe Lewis Wilkins
After spending many years using a variety of languages, and getting accustomed to declaring vars before using them, it was convenient to get a little sloppy now and then; but when it came down to doing something for real, declaring vars definitely tended to promote more thorough reasoning

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Robert J. Earp
I'm sure that even the most perfect code does not declare all local variables as in the case of repeat loops, and practically speaking declaring them has no benefit. However, a MUCH more important point is to name variables with something short and meaningful, and if you do this with a l

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Devin Asay
On Jun 20, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Robert J. Earp wrote: I'm sure that even the most perfect code does not declare all local variables as in the case of repeat loops, and practically speaking declaring them has no benefit. However, a MUCH more important point is to name variables with

Re: RunRev 2.8.1.470

2007-06-20 Thread Luis
Hiya, Is this a fresh install or an update? Cheers, Luis. On 20 Jun 2007, at 21:01, Shari wrote: Hi, I am having loads of trouble with version RunRev 2.8.1.470, apart from the strange the problems with the player object, this version frequently crashes for no apparent reason. For

Re: RunRev updates [was RunRev 2.8.1.470]

2007-06-20 Thread Shari
How do you know before downloading what version of 2.8.1 it is? I couldn't find anything on their downloads page differentiating the builds. I looked in the RevDeveloper area as well, and found nothing. Where are the goodies hiding? In Rev's Help menu: Check for updates. That explains

My bug was fixed!

2007-06-20 Thread Shari
Cool! The bug I found a couple weeks ago (and another fella kindly reported) regarding Universal builds not working on OSX 10.2.x has been fixed in the newest Rev update! Now that is COOL! Doesn't show up in Bugzilla as fixed, but in the dialog box for the update itself. Disclaimer: I

Re: ClipboardData Refresh

2007-06-20 Thread Jim Ault
On 6/20/07 3:51 PM, Trevor Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Revolution stack designed to run in the system background and to constantly check the clipboard for particular contents. The problem I'm having is that the clipboardData variable only refreshes when I bring the Revolution

List field multipleHilites property

2007-06-20 Thread Michael Binder
Hi everyone, I am trying to make a list field in which multiple lines can be hilited, but they must be contiguous. I can't seem to do it. Am I up against a bug? Rev 2.8.1, ibook G4, OS 10.3.9 To demonstrate: 1) Create a new main stack. 2) Drag onto it a default scrolling list field from

Re: List field multipleHilites property

2007-06-20 Thread Richard Gaskin
Michael Binder wrote: How can I make the list show only contiguous selections? To disallow non-contiguous hilights turn off the field's nonContiguousHilites property. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal ___ Rev tips,

Re: List field multipleHilites property

2007-06-20 Thread Ken Ray
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:57:29 -0400, Michael Binder wrote: Hi everyone, I am trying to make a list field in which multiple lines can be hilited, but they must be contiguous. I can't seem to do it. Am I up against a bug? Rev 2.8.1, ibook G4, OS 10.3.9 To demonstrate: 1) Create a new

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Scott Kane
From: Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, I have a stack I made that allows you to develop without local declarations and then after the fact run this utility and it will add the declarations for you. :-) Sounds very interesting. :-) You know - for me this was one of the big issues when I

Re: For Each Anomaly

2007-06-20 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 20 Jun 2007, at 22:40, Stephen Barncard wrote: Down with the experts, long live the inexperienced Fooey. That's a ridiculous statement. Everybody's inexperienced in the ways of Rev at first. And Rev isn't perfect, but neither is Democracy or the English language. So you wouldn't try to

Re: Best Practices in Rev development

2007-06-20 Thread Kay C Lan
On 6/21/07, Robert J. Earp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, didn't you publish a paper on recommended coding standards? Devin although I know your after 'Coding Best Practices' along the lines of naming objects and variables with meaningful names, and using prefixes for

Re: [slightly [OT]] A little Help removing Galaxy

2007-06-20 Thread Kay C Lan
On 6/21/07, Len Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this isn't the Galaxy support forum but I seem to have trouble getting through the Basecamp system they use for support. After Rev and Galaxy start up, in the Galaxy bar click on the Galaxy link on the right to bring up the General

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