Jim Ault wrote:
It would be nice if there was a wiki that would categorize bugs
(text-in-fields, icons, standalones, Win32 vs Mac) that would read more like
a book or simple outline.
You mean, like http://revdocwiki.wikispaces.com/ ?
Jerry Muelver
On 2/25/06, David Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 25/02/2006, Garrett Hylltun [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
Gregory Lypny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote stuff.
Sorry to others for some repetitious elements in here but I see a
couple of basic themes in the offerings from Garrett and Gregory
Dan, et al:
Voting says This is my relative (among outstanding bugs) priority for
fixing the bug.
Consider voting as contributing to a proposed budget for RRLtd's RD +
Support:
RRLtd gives you the opportunity to distribute $100 [ie 100 votes] among
all the outstanding bug reports and
Since I started this conversation, I figured i ought to jump back in.
In no way do I think Rev should do way with Bugzilla. Publicly
disclosing bugs is useful. And it lends an air of credibility to one's
products that is hard to attain any other way. Getting the community's
input on what bugs
On 26/02/2006, at 0:50, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
To digress slightly, I think the reason Rev appears to have so many
bugs is because it is so versatile. We all use Rev in different ways
to do widely different projects. I ignore some bugs because I never do
the things they
Here, here!
I agree wholeheartedly, Rob.
I mean, y'all know that I have and will likely continue to do more than
my own fair share of kvetching...
But I also have to say that I have seen responsiveness on most if not all
of the issues I kvetch about most:
*Reasonable hobbyist/IU/educational
Lingo went to c.dot.syntax.hell in a very short fashion...
Please don't let Transcript follow behind Lingo!
I'm sure I wouldn't want to ask RR to make Rev use
dot notation - but it's a nice way to work when you
are used to it. ;-)
Scott
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Garrett:
This is not about influencing the direction of the product. This is
about how bug reports should be directly given to the company, the
company should track it internally and insure that it's taken care of.
Users should not have to do anything else, that's why they pay
Runtime for
Hello Tom,
Actually, I couldn't make a balance sheet balance for the life of me
(no offence to any accountants on this list), but I do appreciate
your thoughtful analogy. It falls short of our Bugzilla deal,
though. Accountants receive disparate (not desperate; that would be
Nortel and
Garrett.
I've spent the better part of my adult life in the software biz and I
think your reaction here was really, really extreme. You said:
You don't release
products if you know it still contains bugs! You don't upgrade your
product unless the upgrade fixes all the prior bugs.
I don't
Rob
Fair enough. I hadn't considered that scenario. I stand corrected.
On 2/23/06, Rob Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan, et al:
If I create a new bug entry in Bugzilla, it would not even occur to me
to vote for it. By posting it and giving it a rating, I think I *am*
voting on
Well that figures, but hey what's a good discussion without a few
analogies, even wrong ones.
Regards,
Tom
On Feb 24, 2006, at 2:11 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
Hello Tom,
Actually, I couldn't make a balance sheet balance for the life of
me (no offence to any accountants on this list),
On 25/02/2006, Garrett Hylltun [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
Gregory Lypny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote stuff.
Sorry to others for some repetitious elements in here but I see a
couple of basic themes in the offerings from Garrett and Gregory
(principally the former) which I wish to answer.
My
In another thread, Sarah Reichelt made the following observations
about Bugzilla in response to Xavier's complaints about stability of
2.7 on WinXP:
I have looked at your list of reported bugs in Bugzilla. I find 126
unfixed bugs reported by you (though some seem to be duplicates)
however only
On 2/23/06 11:07 AM, Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd be all for making Bugzilla far more useful. I even have some ideas
for how to do that. But frankly that's up to RunRev, not the
community, and my guess is that they have enough To Do Lists that they
don't need any more ideas from me!
I would also like to point out that 2.7 no longer contains a link to
Bugzilla. The support option in Help (on Windows) goes to
http://support.runrev.com/ which does not have a link to
http://support.runrev.com/bugzilla/, so there isn't even a good way to get
to bugzilla without using the
On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:
This provided me with an opportunity to say something I've been
meaning to say for some time but never had a trigger for.
Ditto!
Ok, so I spent all this money for Rev, and I would expect that any
bug report sent to them would be taken
No comment about how you should be slapped.
I do think that using the bug reporting is an optional thing and that
you are not required to do so and that REV does not 'rely' on it as
much as giving the users a voice in it. I wish Office would do this
or Adobe.
Tom
On Feb 23, 2006, at
Garrett Hylltun wrote:
I'm sorry for being a bit over the edge, but I've been in this business
myself, and this really makes me mad. You don't release products if you
know it still contains bugs! You don't upgrade your product unless the
upgrade fixes all the prior bugs.
How many known
While I am absolutely certain that RR doesn't rely solely or
even primarily on Bugzilla to set its bug-fixing agenda, I am
equally sure they do take it into account. And that's a shame
because the reality is that the number of people who use Rev
regularly who: (a) are aware of Bugzilla
Garrett, Dan, Jim, et al:
I can understand setting priorities depending on the severity of the
bug, but having the users rate and vote? I thought I was purchasing a
product, not getting married to a second wife! Bugzilla seems like it
relies far too much on the users and not enough on the
Garrett Hylltun wrote:
On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Dan Shafer wrote:
This provided me with an opportunity to say something I've been
meaning to say for some time but never had a trigger for.
Ditto!
Yeah - I tried to respond to Sarah's email saying more or less the same
thing, but just
Well put, Dan.
But I don't see the point of Bugzilla at all. Seems to me that all
bugs, big and small, should to be fixed, and a simple word to the
Revolution people ought to be enough to get the ball rolling.
Gregory Lypny
Associate Professor of Finance
John
Dear Gregory,
That would be like a few hundred people bringing an accountant
hundreds of boxes of receipts from the past three years (some taxable
and some not along with every bill too) and saying there was no real
need for any kind of user contributed record keeping or for that
matter
And it seems to me that all problems in the world, big and small,
should be fixed, and a simple word to the Whitehouse people should be
enough to get the ball rolling.
:)
Mark
On 24 Feb 2006, at 00:38, Gregory Lypny wrote:
Seems to me that all bugs, big and small, should to be fixed, and
On Feb 23, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Rob Cozens wrote:
Garrett, Dan, Jim, et al:
[snip]
What is the world coming to when users complain when the company
that provides them a product gives them input in determining where
resources should be spent on maintaining and updating that product?
Dan, et al:
If I create a new bug entry in Bugzilla, it would not even occur to me
to vote for it. By posting it and giving it a rating, I think I *am*
voting on it.
I find posting and voting have totally different purposes.
Example: The last item I posted to BZ had to do with rectangle
All,
RR has offered its user community an opportunity to influence
resource allocation and bug tracking; but it can't work without the
participation of that user community.
Having said that, I must admit I have not done all I could in this
regard.
I post most bugs as I find them and some
Hi Garrett,
I guess I'm not specifically upset with the bug issue, but with
several issues. My views of how things should be are not
that of the
majority. I can be extreme in my views about products should
be free
of bugs and such. And usually you get what you pay for
holds
Is there any place where the known XP bugs are available for 2.7?
I'd forgotten that I was supposed to be thinking about things my students
might encounter, not just those things I would (in OS X), but I had one of
the brighter students today showing me wonky Rev stuff in XP.
NOTE: I also know
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