Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

2005-10-10 Thread Judy Perry
FWIW, I've got Dan's blog loading while I post this response, but, if your commentary is spot-on, then it is a scary thing... appropriately in-season. Judy On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, jbv wrote: Dan , The new interface displays galleries of possible end-states, each of which combine many

Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

2005-10-10 Thread Judy Perry
Sounds like even more 'Death by PowerPoint' ... Of course users want to be told how things should look. But your point is well taken re: reading the originals. In case you might wonder why the knee-jerk reaction, I this term have ~30 upper-division university students (non-CS majors), and not a

Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

2005-10-11 Thread Judy Perry
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005, Scott Rossi wrote: Actually, there is a difference: not how things *should* look but how things *can* look. Again, the premise is that users are more comfortable modifying existing designs/layouts/templates, rather than starting from scratch. The template designers

Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

2005-10-11 Thread Judy Perry
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Dom wrote: As if Revolution shipped with a number of pre-made stacks ;-))) ;-) Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription

Re: [OT] Microsoft Office's New UI Blazes Some New Trails for Us

2005-10-11 Thread Judy Perry
But, respectfully, they all LOOK ALIKE. You can spot them from a mile away. They are fake; they not infrequently have nothing to do with the content which they exist presumably to advance. They were chosen for being the least obnoxious of the predetermined lot. Modifying them doesn't even come

Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 25, Issue 38

2005-10-13 Thread Judy Perry
Benjamin, Could you possibly have downloaded and installed some shareware font? I know I had this same problem after I downloaded Ransome Note, a font in which the letters look as if they've been cut from various newspapers, magazines, etc., and IT started showing up in my properties palette...

Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread Judy Perry
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: The languages we bring to the table can always be replaced. But can our experience/talents/creativity? Okay, Richard, you trolled me back into the gym. I honestly was going to try to just sit back and let everybody think that EITHER as a

Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread Judy Perry
And, I would agree IF it were demonstrable that this is what actually happens. I just don't think it does. I don't see it happening among either faculty OR students. On a bit of a bummer midway through grading midterm exams. Sorry. :-( Judy On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, Scott Rossi wrote: IMO, the

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

2005-10-15 Thread Judy Perry
Or, sell it for what people think it will do for them ala use this shampoo and you can have your own 'When Harry Met Sally' moment. ;-) Judy On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or as good marketing people also say: Sell the sizzle not the steak. What it is counts for little, what

Re: Rev vs. AJAX...Or Web-Aware Apps vs. Web Apps

2005-10-15 Thread Judy Perry
Mark, I don't doubt Scott's sincerity at all. Nor do I doubt Chipp's or Dan's or ... That's part of my argument: They're not the people likely to be seduced by the persuasive technology. I'm in agreement with Chipp re: the 'copying the Masters' philosophy: except that Microsoft doesn't begin

Re: Rev vs. AJAX... Ajax vs TAOO [|Not so Short]

2005-10-16 Thread Judy Perry
And, of course, it _was_ a joke _ ;-) _ Except for the fact that it was based on a real shampoo commercial. @;-) Judy On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: Judy wrote: Or, sell it for what people think it will do for them ala use this shampoo and you can have your own 'When Harry

Re: docWikis

2005-10-24 Thread Judy Perry
I suppose the obvious answer is that some of us are extremely dumb and not looking... 'cuz we're not knowing (agnostic??) @;-) Okay, so I only speak for myself... and my other self... and any other voices hanging about... Judy On Mon, 24 Oct 2005, Troy Rollins wrote: On Oct 24, 2005, at

Re: Ensuring numeric input

2005-10-26 Thread Judy Perry
Richard, Funny you should mention this, inasmuch as this week is the week in which my class looks at computer risks and liability issues, including the pentium bug... @;-) Of course, they just told me today that they think that it is possible for a computerized voting scheme to have an error

Re: Revdocs on a wiki

2005-10-28 Thread Judy Perry
Yeah, unfortunately, it's the same problem as the web, writ albeit a tad bit smaller. In a take-home exam essay, I had several students providing citations from wikipedias. Even worse, after we had discussed in class Microsoft's stance on their errors in Encarta being less important than

Re: Revdocs on a wiki

2005-10-28 Thread Judy Perry
This sort of goes to the heart of why I think that a well-done book, complete with a good index and a plethora of commented code snippets, would be invaluable as opposed to any sort of online analog. The main point is this: people already know how to use books. In all the years since the 1460s

Re: Revdocs on a wiki

2005-10-30 Thread Judy Perry
Some of us are already there @;-) Judy On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Dennis Brown wrote: Scott, Thank you for pointing that out to folks. I am signed up, anyone else joining us? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit

Re: [Ann] ArcadeEngine 1.5 released

2005-11-01 Thread Judy Perry
Malte, I can't wait to play with it and hopefully have my spring class use it! Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: Re: [Ann] ArcadeEngine 1.5 released

2005-11-01 Thread Judy Perry
Malte, On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Malte Brill wrote: I would be very interested to see what you come up with. Would you mind to keep me posted? Not at all! Btw, is there an edu/bulk pricing that would apply? (given that I'm also asking the students to buy Rev...) Usually, we all chip-in for

Re: Tab Panel Question

2005-11-01 Thread Judy Perry
Hi Roark, In addition to Eric's excellent tutorial, I also have a little stack on this subject: Using RevOnline, go to User Spaces -- Category = Education -- Tabs in Revolution. HTH, Judy On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Roark wrote: My question so far is how to work with the Tab Panel.

Re: Re: Re: [Ann] ArcadeEngine 1.5 released

2005-11-02 Thread Judy Perry
Hi Malte, No hurry -- that class isn't until February. Thanks! Judy On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Malte Brill wrote: We will make a regular 10 user license available through the store and are working on an additional edu discount, in the meantime please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev

2005-11-02 Thread Judy Perry
I love it!!! Judy On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Dan Shafer wrote: When HyperCard was my development tool of choice, I often bemoaned the fact that Apple itself seemed unable to articulate what HyperCard really was. It's a digestive aid AND a floor wax! In my baser moments, I wondered if the problem

Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev

2005-11-04 Thread Judy Perry
And, when I recently mentioned it to Chris Crawford of 'The Art of Computer Game Design,' he said that he only wished that he'd heard of Rev before wading neck-deep into Java. Judy On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Dan Shafer wrote: I've been known to call it Java without the Java. Dan

Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev

2005-11-04 Thread Judy Perry
Have you mentioned it to Charles Flickinger? Judy On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: Rumors of HyperCard being discontinued at bullsh*t. - Steve Jobs, at the CAUSE conference in Long Beach, CA, 1998 I keep waiting to see the When will Apple come clean? page that has

Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev

2005-11-04 Thread Judy Perry
Ayyy, now there's the rub! Well, hmmm... For teaching programming to the K-12 crowd, I'd emphasize that you can teach many basic programming concepts without the overhead of stuff that really should be taught later (such as declaring data types, etc.) along the proven path of the Analytical

Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev

2005-11-04 Thread Judy Perry
imagine Judy Perry will have some compelling educational arguments to bolster such a position. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http

Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev

2005-11-04 Thread Judy Perry
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: You know the great Chris Crawford?! He's a god. Loved Siboot -- nothing like it at the time. Well, it's not like we do lunch or anything... he'd probably be hard-pressed to remember my name. I sought him out when I found that his great book was out

Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev

2005-11-04 Thread Judy Perry
Another physics major?!!! (Jeanne's a successful one, I'm a flunk-out). @;-) Judy On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Jim Hurley wrote: Richard and Judy, I suspect this is the same Chris Crawford that was a physics major at UC Davis many years back. I never had him as a student but he was legendary

Re: Chris Crawford [was: Why It's Hard to Explain Rev]

2005-11-04 Thread Judy Perry
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: I wonder if he'd be willing to open the source for Trust and Betrayal to see if one of the energetic souls here would be willing to port it to Rev. snip Judging from a quick look at his Erazmatron at

Re: [Slightly OT?] Why It's Hard to Explain Rev

2005-11-04 Thread Judy Perry
Exactly. Judy On Fri, 4 Nov 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: If he can build it faster in Rev and the end-user experience is at least as good (probably better since he could use all the time he saves coding beefing up the UI), it would seem he'd come out ahead overall.

Re: [Slightly OT again] Gaming

2005-11-05 Thread Judy Perry
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005, Marty Billingsley wrote: I need resources on gaming and game design, preferable from an algorithmic standpoint. The Art of Computer Game Design was a great tip. Anyone got any others? Marty, Have a look at http://www.gamasutra.com. (you have to register, though) I

Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time

2005-11-09 Thread Judy Perry
Chipp, Amen! Judy On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Chipp Walters wrote: Programs like Claris Impact, Claris CAD, MORE, the old versions of Flash which were easy to script, MacWrite, MacPaint and MacDraw. Some of these STILL have no equal (imo, mostly thanks to the illegal efforts of MS). That's where

Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time

2005-11-10 Thread Judy Perry
Indeed, Just today I was at my office in my university's satellite campus at the old El Toro marine base. No wi-fi. Network speed is simply gawdawful. Something like two or three public access Macs (I'm a Mac user). Man, I'd hate like heck to have to rely on thin clients and the like. (I

Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time

2005-11-16 Thread Judy Perry
Funny, we just talked about biometric stuff in class a couple of weeks back. Of course, one problem with things like thumb/face scans is that they can be cut off your body (happened to a guy whose MB got carjacked and which used biometrics for access). As for your face, well, there's a doctor

Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time

2005-11-16 Thread Judy Perry
I don't think it helped the guy who's digit got cut off to steal his Benz, though... Judy On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Geoff Canyon wrote: Under the heading of I kid you not: I once read on a web site discussing biometric identification the following words (roughly). Of course, you may be

Re: The Disappearing Desktop - It's Real This Time

2005-11-16 Thread Judy Perry
RATS!!! Make that whose :-/ Judy On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, Judy Perry wrote: I don't think it helped the guy who's digit got cut off to steal his Benz, though... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url

Re: One Laptop Per Child project

2005-11-18 Thread Judy Perry
Yeah, I've seen it bandied about on the Newton list as well as on MacNN. I think it's based on something like a 333 MHz G3 processor (or analog)... Apple offered Free OS X but MIT declined. The reviews I have read haven't been favorable... but I've only read the reviews/comments. Judy On Fri,

Re: One Laptop Per Child project

2005-11-18 Thread Judy Perry
Aren't there some crank-based ones too? One or more cranks for 30 min. battery life I think... I'll take a look to see if I didn't delete any of the Newtontalk posts. Judy On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THere was a project a few years ago that tried to use RISC OS (stalled

Re: You Either Think Graphically or You Don't

2005-11-21 Thread Judy Perry
Dan, For the record, And we agree again! (are pigs taking to space everywhere? Take a look out your windows...) :-) Judy On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, Dan Shafer wrote: Every year I receive hundreds of emails and correspondence from people who seek advice about starting or continuing their writing

Re: [OT] Security Goes Visual

2005-11-21 Thread Judy Perry
Yikes and people already have problems with maintaining hopefully unique logins/passwords for every blasted computer thingy they do... Judy On Mon, 21 Nov 2005, Scott Rossi wrote: Pretty soon we'll have to start keeping track of all our visual passwords, either in an image database, or

Re: Meeting at MacWorld SF in January 2006

2005-11-24 Thread Judy Perry
Birds Of a Feather, as it did at Monterray?? Judy On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Ray wrote: Uh... not to sound like an idiot here, but what does BOF mean? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

Re: Pricing / entry cost for this tool

2005-11-26 Thread Judy Perry
Oh, Happy Day! Judy On Fri, 25 Nov 2005, Ken Ray wrote: This was the same philosophy espoused by Scott Raney, when he was selling MetaCard for $999 and nothing else... of course, that was until RunRev picked it up... :-) ___ use-revolution

Re: Pricing / entry cost for this tool

2005-11-26 Thread Judy Perry
It would be interesting to see some statistics from the company re: regular, paying customers and per license type. Perhaps the reality is counter-intuitive, but to what extent does Rev have an in with the big programming companies? It seems a conundrum. It would seem that the company has

Re: Graphic Design Tools

2005-11-26 Thread Judy Perry
Hmmm, but for really simple stuff (and the ability to translate from and two ~75 or more graphic file formats), there's nothing like the shareware program GraphicConverter: http://www.lemkesoft.de Love it... It's no Photoshop, but if you don't quite need Photoshop and, in any event, can't

Re: Pricing / entry cost for this tool

2005-11-27 Thread Judy Perry
Dan sez... I would have agreed until the last two revs. I am not personally acquainted with the situation, but several friends of mine who teach and study multimedia development at our local university have complained bitterly to me in the past year about how MM has made development in Flash

Re: Graphic Design Tools

2005-11-27 Thread Judy Perry
Dan, Really?? Cool.. To be fair, I only became acquainted with it when, upon being asked rather suddenly to teach a course in multimedia, snorted around the software on our server and found it (and precious little else!). As you say, you really can do quite alot with it. I'm a paid owner as

Re: Pricing / entry cost for this tool

2005-11-27 Thread Judy Perry
But it's not necessarily 'casting pearls before swine' ... (or, is it???) Judy On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: Tarting it all over town for just $99 gives too much away. ;) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com

Re: Pricing / entry cost for this tool

2005-11-27 Thread Judy Perry
Perhaps the market was already saturated for this type of tool in that given environment? I regret that I didn't have a chance to ever work with LiveMotion (was there a Mac version available??? I seem to recall seeing a box in the department's SysAdmin's office, but when I inquired it was PC-only

RE: Graphic Design Tools

2005-11-27 Thread Judy Perry
Do you have a URL for it? (my PC-using students, chagrined at GraphicConverter's being Mac-only, are always asking me for a PC alternative...) Judy On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, MisterX wrote: For PCs, I recommend ACDSee - ultrafast browser, powerful catalog and nice editor. Photoshop still rules...

RE: Graphic Design Tools

2005-11-27 Thread Judy Perry
Thanks for the suggestion! On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: save all the hastle and use a cross platform tool Pixel32 http://www.kanzelsberger.com/pixel/ even on SkyOS and BeOS WOW. ___ use-revolution mailing list

Re: Transparency and PNG format

2005-11-29 Thread Judy Perry
And, I might be going daft (might well be there already, for all I know), but I have a dim recollection of Sarah having this problem iwth PNGs prepared using GraphicConverter. Sarah?? Judy Le 29 nov. 05 ? 23:05, graham samuel a ?crit : I've now started to using PNGs rather than GIFS, and I

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

2005-11-30 Thread Judy Perry
I take exception to that!!! (okay, I see your point... I'm doing my small part, however, as is Devin I assume). Judy On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Dan Shafer wrote: 4. It's not taught at the university level. ___ use-revolution mailing list

Biometrics: In case you thought I was BSing...

2005-11-30 Thread Judy Perry
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/7000/20051130/101501.htm Judy ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

2005-12-02 Thread Judy Perry
Marty, That's so cool! Is it a GE entry? Judy On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Marty Billingsley wrote: There's a two-quarter sequence taught using RR at the University of Chicago. It's called Multimedia Programming as an Interdisciplinary Art. ___

Re: pro and hobbyist --- a distinction without merit

2005-12-02 Thread Judy Perry
Dan, I also have felt uncomfortable whenever the H word is used, because it unfortunately does take on a disparaging tone. But, as you know, I read and enjoyed your white paper and appreciate the usage of your coined term of 'inventive user' and thank you for it. And the other fellow who chimed

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? [Mailing List]

2005-12-02 Thread Judy Perry
I think we've had previous discussion on the topic of mail list vs. web board and, IIRC, the majority of respondents preferred using a mail list. I know I do, and the reason is that I'm simply too scatterbrained, over-multi-tasked, insufficiently disciplined, and forgetful for a web board to be

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

2005-12-02 Thread Judy Perry
Yup, that's the perception alrighty, even among supposedly educated PhD types. I remember a few years ago when our campus decided to 'get with' the computer revolution thingy... Our department almost wasn't 'allowed' to keep our unix server, used in teaching and learning, because of the

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

2005-12-02 Thread Judy Perry
Well, if I understand him properly, I'm guessing it's all the hype about hungarian-lite notation style that looks awfully un-English-like. Judy On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Mark Wieder wrote: I'm intrigued by this. Can you explain this one for me? Are you referring to adding new keywords to the

Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?

2005-12-02 Thread Judy Perry
Oh yeah!!! Judy On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Bill Marriott wrote: [Oh yeah, reason #15: Inability to copy and paste from the documentation stack!] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe,

Re: Times Change.... and often for the better

2005-12-04 Thread Judy Perry
Better go stock up on Benadryl, then... ;-) I never got to know him personally, outside of the HC list. So sorry to disappoint ;-) Judy On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Now, i'm itching for reading Judy Perry's comments... :D ___

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

2005-12-05 Thread Judy Perry
And, what you're doing is somehow better? I doubt it... At least Chipp had the decency to apologize; you apparently lack even that. Judy On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Jerry Saperstein wrote: Sure, Chipp. I bet. Just a little acccident that happens to attempt to defame me. Yeah,

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

2005-12-05 Thread Judy Perry
Because, Chipp was wrong to have replied to the list rather than to you personally. And he apologized. Presumably (because you haven't stated otherwise), you KNEW that you were defaming to the list... and did so anyway. I still don't see your morally superior point. Judy On Tue, 6 Dec 2005,

RE: Why isn't Rev more popular?

2005-12-05 Thread Judy Perry
You're wrong yet again: If Chipp's intent was NOT to post to the list, as he stated, then there was NO intent to defame, despite your claim of mindreading abilities. And, I didn't attack you personally, only your posting to flame Chipp, for ostensibly flaming you, for which he apologized. You

Rev slowing to crawl.. then hanging...

2005-12-06 Thread Judy Perry
Rev 2.6.1, build 152 Mac OS 10.3.9 Using ChatRev v. 1.3b1 If Rev's the current app of focus, cpu usage spikes to 25%, th en 50 or 65%, up to 89%, whereupon it hangs. It slows all the way there. If I switch focus to another app, the cpu usage drops, but spikes again as soon as Rev is the app

Re: Rev performance: help!

2005-12-06 Thread Judy Perry
Wow. I still haven't received Sarah's reply! I forgot to mention that I'm seeing alot of ulTickleMe's in the message watcher... I should mention again that I didn't author the stack (It's Bjoenke's ChatRev stack), but the other ChatRevers aren't seeing the same problem. Judy On Mon, 5 Dec

Re: Rev performance: help!

2005-12-06 Thread Judy Perry
I think it's being sent more than once a second. Judy On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Dave Cragg wrote: The ulTickleMe message is sent by liburl. If you are seeing it once a second, that's normal while you have a socket open. The messages should stop when all sockets are closed.

Re: What Rev Needs -- Again (was Why is Konfabulator Pretty?)

2005-12-06 Thread Judy Perry
Rev's ed pricing is pretty sweet... and, one argument might be that it would enable the school to leverage its lab usage if they have both Mac PC labs... Judy On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Sarah Reichelt wrote: Good point, Scott. I know we have a few tertiary educators on this list, but I would love

Re: tabbed windows

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Perry
To contain tab items?? Things like buttons, text, images... etc. At least, that's how I've used them... Judy On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Marty Billingsley wrote: Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: especially for the tabbed button control you can use a special syntax in the menupick handler:

Re: How young are the coders...

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Perry
And, my 4-1/2 yr. old twins positively try to climb into my laptop whenever they hear me working on an ABCs stack for them... Judy On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Todd Higgins wrote: I don't know if this counts, but my son is 5 years old, and he has enjoyed listening to me read from Dan's book : )

Re: Rev performance: help! (solved)-NOT 4 me...

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Perry
And, I'm still having the problem with ChatRev stack... Which I did not author and which other users of the stack are NOT experiencing :-( Judy On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Dave Cragg wrote: On 7 Dec 2005, at 15:23, Jon Seymour wrote: Thanks again to Dave for insisting that I must have had a libURL

Re: Rev performance: help! (solved)-NOT 4 me...

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Perry
Hi Malte, Well, no, because nobody else using ChatRev seems to have the problem. And, as for well, has it happened in other Rev stacks?, the answer is again, no, because my class this term is for non-majors and hence we're not using Rev and hence, *I'M* not using Rev (haven't taught the course

Re: What Rev Needs -- Again (was Why is Konfabulator Pretty?)

2005-12-08 Thread Judy Perry
I agree with Marielle.. The product needs to be visible -- very visible -- at such edu biggies as Edu-CAUSE (is it still there?), NECC, etc./whatever. I'd be happy to do what I could -- NECC is in my backyard next year (San Diego), but, being an untenured faculty, I haven't the foggiest idea how

Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?'

2005-12-09 Thread Judy Perry
I had forgotten that the 'Konfabulator' thread was about anything other than the previously-solved clock problem, so I only was alerted to Heather's post in Marielle's reply. My post wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I appreciate much of what Heather has said. I was an early critic of

Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?'

2005-12-09 Thread Judy Perry
But... Isn't there all kinds of truly gawdawful 'Made with VB' etc. crap available? Judy On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Mark Swindell wrote: No verification, but I've always felt your comment below re:Director is why Apple let Hypercard languish in the first place, never gave it even decent color,

Re: discussions,opinions and religion - may be we need 2 lists?

2005-12-11 Thread Judy Perry
No. That's limited to people with the high-priced licenses. Judy On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Thomas McGrath III wrote: R, Is that not what the 'Improve-Revolution' list is for? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit

Re: use-rev means using Rev (was 10,000 other threads)

2005-12-11 Thread Judy Perry
But, Richard, (and, this isn't personal, against you. or anyone else) but: This, in turn, really does mean: Piss off! We don't want to deal with you. Please go shout into the canyons. We don't want to hear from you. We only want to hear how to solve _our_ specific, geeky, programming-only

Re: discussions,opinions and religion - may be we need 2 lists?

2005-12-11 Thread Judy Perry
Thanks for the pointer, Richard... Joining yet another list will likely have the desired effect of reducing traffic, methinks... desired effect methinks? Judy (who answered this at the same time, nearly, as reading the other thread?) On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Richard Gaskin wrote: Judy Perry

You're Right -- It was HARSH

2005-12-12 Thread Judy Perry
Jim, You're right. It was wy harsh. I absolutely should NOT have worded things the way I did. Richard: I unequivocably apologize. All: It was strident even by my crabbiness standard. My only defense, if it is such, is that I find myself increasingly burdened and stressed out by caring

Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

2005-12-12 Thread Judy Perry
Does it really work??? ;-p Off to chant to deities... Judy On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, J. Landman Gay wrote: You must be pretty frustrated if you are calling on deities. ;) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this

Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

2005-12-12 Thread Judy Perry
Is Ganesh = Ganesha? I know that in some languages, the 'ah' ending makes it feminine, but I'm guessing it's not so with Sanskript (?) Judy Go with Ganesh, 'the remover of all obstacles'. I have a nice statue of this elephant deity on my desk keeping watch.

Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?

2005-12-12 Thread Judy Perry
Yeah, we (California State University, Fullerton) had him a while back... Guess he's making the rounds... Judy On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, Stephen Barncard wrote: Actually his Holiness the Dali Lama was at Stanford last month. Thanks all... Anyone know where the Dali Lama is right now? The

Re: You're Right -- It was HARSH

2005-12-12 Thread Judy Perry
Ken, (still sitting on the naughty stool): I hear what you are saying... but your clarification only supports in a way what I was _trying_ (albeit in a less than elegant way) to say: It started as a use-thingy and then ended up as a philosophical-thingy. That's just natural, how humans

Re: use-rev means using Rev (was 10,000 other threads)

2005-12-13 Thread Judy Perry
I disagree with this premise (okay, obviously): It is tantamount to group-think. It presents the company with a skewed perception of the reality and totality of its actual as well as potential user base. And it sets up a class-based system of users, with the 'pro's' being higher beings than

(OT) Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

2005-12-13 Thread Judy Perry
Hey -- for once, I may finally manage to it get it right!! (the (OT) thingy, that is). John: A most thought-provoking post. Especially for me inasmuch as I've had increasing levels of frustration since September after being assigned to teach a course in 'The Computer Impact on Society' which I

Re:[OT] Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Perry
Crap Is this better? (it's nearly 1 am local time and am actively suppressing the Hyde voice...) Judy On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, sims wrote: Hey -- for once, I may finally manage to it get it right!! (the (OT) thingy, that is). I'm not certain, but suspect most/all filters will be looking

Re: [Not so OT] MS Office UI Developments

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Perry
Fascinating... Judy --will read blog in the a.m. ... On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Scott Rossi wrote: Tonight the local CHI meeting, I listened to a presentation by Jensen Harris, a key designer behind the new Microsoft Office user interface. snip I wrote down a bunch of points that seemed like

Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Perry
Or Bob Dylan I think: ...keep on creeping on like a bird that flew... Tangled Up in Blue Judy On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Dennis Brown wrote: On Dec 14, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Keep on keeping on, The last time I heard that saying was 20 years ago by a wise old monk!

Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev stack screws up menus and doesn't put them back

2005-12-14 Thread Judy Perry
It's been mentioned that Dylan has an, um, appropriation problem: http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column95l4.html Judy On Wed, 14 Dec 2005, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Actually it was by Carl Ruth And The Harmony Boys / Vocal By Darwin And Bill / Accomp. By West Virginia Hillbilly in

Re: [OT] Re: [RRgraphix] TL.rev . . .

2005-12-15 Thread Judy Perry
I agree with you, FWIW. I very nearly posted the Dylan/Boswell passages but decided not to. Judy On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Charles Hartman wrote: sorry! sorry! totallyAndCompletelyOT That complaint about Dylan, which has been around for 40 years, rests on several profound misunderstandings.

Re: Audio files won't play in 2.6.1

2005-12-16 Thread Judy Perry
My apologies if this chime-in is late (server was down most of yesterday), but, a quick look at Trevor's multimedia chat stack indicates that it isn't a supported format. The docs say likewise: Audio clips can be in WAV, AIFF, or AU format. Additionally, they must be uncompressed. HTH, Judy

Re: Audio files won't play in 2.6.1

2005-12-16 Thread Judy Perry
Maybe he's on a PC? I dunno... when in doubt, stick with what the docs say... or the mm gurus like Trevor. Or Scott... or... you? My mostly PC-using students do not want to use the AU format, for whatever reason. Judy On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, Klaus Major wrote: Additionally, they must be

Re: Forum

2005-12-17 Thread Judy Perry
Will Fauna Merryweather be there? Judy On 12/17/05, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All- Frappr has just instituted fora, which they insist on calling forums, so I set one up for us. Nothing in there yet, and it's completely unmoderated, so we'll see how this goes. Personally I don't

RE: The Hypercard Navigator Palette is revived!

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Perry
Oh, yeah!!! Even if it mysteriously hogs CPU usage and crashes on me predictably (any guesses why??? Nobody else seems to know... plain-vanilla Rev install... no plugins, nuttin'...) Okay, I'm begging... why does Rev continually crash on me in Chatrev? Judy On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, MisterX wrote:

Re: Forum

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Perry
Mark, Well, okay, _I_ probably would have had to have looked it up too, excepting that I still have wee ones, one of which is is a wee one female, at home ;-) Hey -- I haven't seem Sleeping Beauty NEAR as many times as I've seen Finding Nemo, The Incredibles (and, now, Star Wars: Revenge of the

Re: Forum

2005-12-19 Thread Judy Perry
In case anybody else is clueless but seriously seeking Flora, Fauna Merryweather (the three fairies set up to protect Sleeping Beauty -- two of them have a hillarious scene zapping poor SB's dress Pink! then Blue!.. Pink!... Blue! with corresponding fairie zapping turning up in the chimney

Re: Forum

2005-12-20 Thread Judy Perry
Yup! In my case, it still beats Martian. ;-) Judy On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Mark Wieder wrote: Judy- Monday, December 19, 2005, 11:18:27 PM, you wrote: would have had to have looked it up Sheesh! And folks still want computer languages that act like English?

Re: crash on me in Chatrev?

2005-12-20 Thread Judy Perry
: At 11:09 PM -0800 12/19/05, Judy Perry wrote: Okay, I'm begging... why does Rev continually crash on me in Chatrev? Any chance of something blocking ports, either your machine or ISP? ciao, sims I guess it can't be the sockets, as she is able to connect and only after some time she

Re: crash on me in Chatrev?

2005-12-20 Thread Judy Perry
Mine does. Nice little boinky noises when someone joins or leaves or posts... (IIRC). Judy On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Andre Garzia wrote: There are sounds in chatrev??!?!?!?!?! : my chatrev here never played a beep :( ___ use-revolution mailing

Re: Live resizing of an image

2005-12-22 Thread Judy Perry
Jason, I might be mistaken, but I think that Trevor DeVore's multimedia chat stack at the runrev site containing all the chat stacks has the code snippets you need. Judy On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Jason (Polydiam) wrote: Is it possible to resize an image live in runtime mode like you can when you

Re: [OT sub Holidays]

2005-12-22 Thread Judy Perry
JIMMY BUFFET'S HOLIDAY COOKIES 1 cup of water 1 tsp. baking soda 1 cup of sugar 1 tsp. salt 1 cup of brown sugar lemon juice 4 large eggs 1 cup nuts 2 cups of dried fruit 1 bottle Jose Cuervo Tequila Sample the Cuervo to check quality. Take a large bowl, check the Cuervo again, to be

Re: [Ann] Adventure Game Graphics

2005-12-23 Thread Judy Perry
Heather, Great news! But, only FIVE DAYS to do it? During the Holidays season? Was this announced earlier and I missed it? I would LOVE to assign this to my students. Unfortunately, the term's over and the new one won't begin until February. I suspect alot of schools/colleges/universities

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