On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Jacopo Cappellato
jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote:
* I would like to review examples from other ASF projects doing the same; in
this thread it was mentioned that several other projects are doing the same;
I don't have time to research but if a volunteer
A slightly better template for the page: now it is clearly stated that the list
is sorted by alphabetical order and not relevance.
==
*Commercial Support And Consulting*
These companies provide professional services around Apache OFBiz (sorted by
Thanks Jacopo,
This seems indeed the better way to go for service providers. I agree also
about the better template sent afterwards.
The reasons I agree:
* It would be now companies responsibility for supplied information
* The PMC can check and guarantee the quality and veracity of supplied
On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com
wrote:
Questions:
The Apache OFBiz Service
Providershttps://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Service+Providers
will be removed, right?
We can leave the page there; at least until we are happy
On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com
wrote:
What about the Apache OFBiz User List page, notably the Products and
Projects based on Apache OFBiz section?
We could apply a similar pattern to the one we are discussing for the service
provider list.
Jacopo
Hi Jacopo,
I like the outline of the proposed policy description and solution (the
page).
However, I do have to remark that companies can't be committers as per ASF
regulations. So leaving that and similar regarding PMC and Contributors out
of the company description would serve the 'unbiased'
On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:
So leaving that and similar regarding PMC and Contributors out
of the company description would serve the 'unbiased' aspect of the project
better.
I definitely agree that the fact that a company has employees that are
On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:
Furthermore, I would suggest to include the disclaimer (at least at the
top) regarding the aspect of not endorsing/favouring any company
+1
Jacopo
The reply by Jacopo definitely reads more like trying to conceive consensus.
Maybe it would be good to contact the PMC chairs of the other project (and
perhaps also COMDEV) to see what their policy is on this subject) and
achieve alignment regarding ruling.
Regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM
Though the site of Hans Bakker may suggest that it is an official OFBiz
site, it is not.
Furthermore, it shows wrong information regarding committers in the
providers overview/map.
Regard,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing,
I guess that you could create a patch with the proposed changes and then create
a Jira ticket, then start a voting thread in the dev list.
Before we go into it, I anticipate here some conditions that I think are
important:
* I would like to review examples from other ASF projects doing the
Perhaps in order to add my own 2 cents to this debate:
The way I see it, OFbiz is need for the carousel images, although they
should be updated. Rereading the content, i noticed that the information do
not really stand for much, and though they are eye-pleasing I highly doubt
that they are being
Inline...
Le 20/02/2014 10:20, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
I guess that you could create a patch with the proposed changes and then create
a Jira ticket, then start a voting thread in the dev list.
If there are changes in wiki, maybe better to simply discuss them here
(or in a Jira indeed
This is known for long and we (mostly I) have asked Hans to clean it
many times
He did some for (one of?) his twitter account
https://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz though I always wondered if this is
really casher, but who cares?
The same question comes for https://twitter.com/ofbiz_biz
Inline
Le 20/02/2014 11:14, Paul Piper a écrit :
Perhaps in order to add my own 2 cents to this debate:
The way I see it, OFbiz is need for the carousel images, although they
should be updated. Rereading the content, i noticed that the information do
not really stand for much, and though they
I like Jacopo's answer!
Jacques
Le 19/02/2014 23:32, Nick Rosser a écrit :
With Hans joining the yes vote can we go ahead and action the
originally proposed change?
Nick
On 2/19/2014 6:08 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
BTW, last thought on this about external sites monitored for
violation:
I didn't do an exhaustive search but the Active-MQ project has a link to
users:
http://activemq.apache.org/users.html
This is an internal doc -- not an external link.
Note that they also have a Team link which lists all active Committers
and Contributors.
And also a Projects using link
Three Apache project examples that have service provider page:
Clearly lists paid support options, with links to integrators:
http://cayenne.apache.org/support.html
Link from main page to Professional Services:
http://cocoon.apache.org/1271_1_1.html
This lists committers and contributors
Not only those, but also:
- any23
- APR
- Cassandra
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
I would say that not complying with/to ASF regulations and guidelines is a
sure path to lose merit in the community.
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Thu, Feb 20,
Which websites are you seeing there? In the carousel?
Jacques
Le 18/02/2014 12:08, Pierre Smits a écrit :
As for the marketing aspect, linking works both ways.
Looking at the homepage of OFBiz I see that marketing is done for various
websites . Beside the fact that there is a potential thread
Le 19/02/2014 07:38, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
On Feb 18, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com
wrote:
Please could you point the issues you see there?
The information published in the OFBiz website is official and must be endorsed
and approved by the OFBiz PMC
If you are referring to the images that change at the top of the home page,
then the answer is yes.
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
BTW, last thought on this about external sites monitored for violation:
should we not rather remove than monitor them? Then it would not
penalize other sites...
This done we could block the page for users who would like to exceed
their rights to edit (though I have still to understand how
Those were provided by HWM (Hotwax Media) when they overhauled the look
of the site with Brainfood.
I personally see no issues there because even if you can barely read the
site names, there are no links and the images were only provided as
examples. They could be replaced but sincerely it's a
With Hans joining the yes vote can we go ahead and action the
originally proposed change?
Nick
On 2/19/2014 6:08 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
BTW, last thought on this about external sites monitored for
violation: should we not rather remove than monitor them? Then it
would not penalize other
First of all, everything published on a publication means of the Foundation
(regardless whether this is an 'official' site, a wiki or a mailing list)
is in line with the principles of the ASF. If not, actions will be
undertaken. By the ASF.
Nowhere in the documents of the ASF it is stated that
Jacques is correct when saying 'it's a kind of marketing of OFBiz' when he
talks about the images at the top of the home page of the OFBiz site. This
holds equally true for referring to users and OFBiz integrators on the
homepage. In stead of burying links to sites of users (let's face it: these
On Feb 17, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Nick Rosser nros...@solveda.com wrote:
So what's the final word on this?
Seems like we have mostly yeahs for this change.
This doesn't seem an accurate summary of the feedback received: Jacques and
Pierre expressed a positive feedback; Christian seems neutral;
Having done a cursory review of websites of other Apache Projects I can
state that we are not creating a precedent here.
As for the possibility of potentially conveying the impression that the
community or the ASF are officially supporting implementation and support
providers this can be easily
As for the marketing aspect, linking works both ways.
Looking at the homepage of OFBiz I see that marketing is done for various
websites . Beside the fact that there is a potential thread of violation of
the rights of others, it could be regarded as applying double standards.
Regards,
Pierre
OK, some interesting points being made. Although I truly believe that
for a bet-your-business solution like OFBiz having a list of users and
service providers is much more important than for technical based
projects. It certainly would be for me.
Pierre established that some of the other
On Feb 18, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Nick Rosser nros...@solveda.com wrote:
what is the procedure for making a decision on this change?
A commit is required to change the website and every committer can express a
veto (-1) on every commit [*].
Jacopo
[*] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Nick Rosser nros...@solveda.com wrote:
OK, some interesting points being made. Although I truly believe that for
a bet-your-business solution like OFBiz having a list of users and service
providers is much more important than for technical based projects. It
Actually, the statement 'and every committer can express a veto (-1) on
every commit' by Jacopo is incorrect. Committers cannot veto. The document
referenced states no such thing.
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Le 18/02/2014 10:54, Jacopo Cappellato a écrit :
On Feb 17, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Nick Rosser nros...@solveda.com wrote:
So what's the final word on this?
Seems like we have mostly yeahs for this change.
This doesn't seem an accurate summary of the feedback received: Jacques and
Pierre
If a veto is justified, a commiter can do it:
https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#Veto
This section speak about code, it can be generalised to any document a
committer has to commit.
But I think we should rather try to find a consensus...
In the past we decided to remove direct
add me to the +1 list.
we are currently re-implementing the ofbiz.info website which has a
provider map and user map and is available at our staging server:
http://ofbizinfo.ofbizdemo.com/control/providers
http://ofbizinfo.ofbizdemo.com/control/users
we will get back online in a couple of
On Feb 18, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com
wrote:
Please could you point the issues you see there?
The information published in the OFBiz website is official and must be endorsed
and approved by the OFBiz PMC before its publication.
The information in the Wiki
So what's the final word on this?
Seems like we have mostly yeahs for this change. Can we get it done?
Nick
On 2/12/2014 5:45 AM, Pierre Smits wrote:
It shouldn't prove to difficult to have menu items in the menu bar of the
website that directly link to pages in the wiki.
Pierre Smits
The project doesn't have much control over the information published in the
wiki and we should not publish links in the official website that may imply
that these pages are official. In the past we had issues and discussions around
what was published in the official website and the current
It shouldn't prove to difficult to have menu items in the menu bar of the
website that directly link to pages in the wiki.
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
On Wed,
I think you have a point Nick,
We could add those without expecting load issues on Confluence indeed.
Jacques
On Friday, February 07, 2014 4:06 PM, nros...@solveda.com wrote
Pierre: attract some more participation -- exactly.
I did see a response about the original change to omit these from
I agree with the above.
Not only will it deliver on the marketing aspect, but it might also attract
some more participation.
Regards,
Pierre Smits
*ORRTIZ.COM http://ORRTIZ.COM*
Services Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com
Am 05.02.2014 14:40, schrieb Nick Rosser:
All,
Whenever I look at pretty much anything these days I look for a
clients link to see who is using a product or service.
If I'm looking to use a piece of software and review at the vendor's
site I will often look to see who are the partners
Pierre: attract some more participation -- exactly.
I did see a response about the original change to omit these from the
home page - I can't imagine that we have enough traffic to stress any
server.
If there is general agreement who can make the change?
On 2/7/2014 3:53 AM, Pierre Smits
That sounds a good marketing idea to me
This was a bit like that before,
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?view=revisionrevision=925066
But has been moved down because of conflicting opinions. I don't remember
clearly...
What are others opinions?
Jacques
On Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:40 PM,
All,
Whenever I look at pretty much anything these days I look for a
clients link to see who is using a product or service.
If I'm looking to use a piece of software and review at the vendor's
site I will often look to see who are the partners (integrators) are --
as a client I would be
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