Using LinuxMint v17.0 Qiana qith the MATE DE.
Have followed with interest the recent discussins on Base and have decided
to try and learn how to use it, using PostGreSQL as the backend. But -
and there is always one of those :-) - how many of the multitude of
postgrsql files in Synaptic do I
Hello Pikov
On 6 août 2014 07:29:17 CEST, Pikov Andropov piko...@gmail.com wrote:
Florian Reisinger wrote on 8/6/2014 1:22 AM:
Hi,
The problem we have: We do not have one release branch as Firefox
has, we have two... Users should use and find bugs on the Fresh
version in order to make thee
On 08/05/2014 11:08 PM, David Love wrote:
Using LinuxMint v17.0 Qiana qith the MATE DE.
Have followed with interest the recent discussins on Base and have decided
to try and learn how to use it, using PostGreSQL as the backend. But -
and there is always one of those :-) - how many of the
Am 06.08.2014 07:29, schrieb Pikov Andropov:
Florian Reisinger wrote on 8/6/2014 1:22 AM:
Hi,
The problem we have: We do not have one release branch as Firefox has, we
have two... Users should use and find bugs on the Fresh version in order
to make thee fresh, which will be renamed to
Hi :)
Ahh, so both branches are just as stable as each other? The only
difference is that the newer branch has more features?
So why do we still have the older branch at all?
Regards from
Tom :)
On 6 August 2014 08:23, Charles-H. Schulz
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Hello
Hi :)
This seems to be contradicting what Charles is saying.
Also is it really a good policy to force new and unwitting users to act as
guinea-pigs? Should all new users be pushed into finding and fixing bugs?
Would it really be bad to give them a clear and easy route to a less buggy
version?
Hi Tom, all,
Le 06/08/2014 11:17, Tom Davies a écrit :
Hi :)
This seems to be contradicting what Charles is saying.
no, they are on the same page :)
Also is it really a good policy to force new and unwitting users to act as
guinea-pigs? Should all new users be pushed into finding and
Hi :)
This seems to contradict what both Charles and what Florian Reisinger were
saying.
It does seem to make more sense though. It kinda explains why people might
prefer one branch or the other one, which was very unclear from Charles and
Florian's posts.
It also kinda explains the graphic on
Hi :)
How do new users know what the difference is between the 2 branches?
Clearly it is not so easy for new people to figure it out otherwise we
wouldn't keep on having to answer this same question from so many new
users.
As a longer-term users i feel sufficiently experienced to know which
Hi all,
Le 06/08/2014 11:42, Tom Davies a écrit :
Hi :)
How do new users know what the difference is between the 2 branches?
Clearly it is not so easy for new people to figure it out otherwise we
wouldn't keep on having to answer this same question from so many new
users.
So you answer
Hi :)
The difference is that Charles is saying that both branches are as stable
as each other.
Florian was saying that new users have to do the bug-finding on the Fresh
branch in order to help it become more stable.
Florian's seems to explain what we find on this mailing list = that new
users
Hello Tom,
First, both Nino and Sophie's answers are really good. Mine was just
trying to be simple and short.
I think, just like Sophie suggested, that you are still thinking along
the stable-unstable pattern.
My answer, by the way, does not contraddict Nino or Sophie. Let me take
two
Am 06.08.2014 11:38, schrieb Tom Davies:
This seems to contradict what both Charles and what Florian Reisinger were
saying.
No. See below:
[...]
It also kinda explains the graphic on the;
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
page, although that graphic doesn't make a lot of
Le 05/08/2014 21:24, Tom Davies a écrit :
Thats an interesting list of add-ons/Extensions or additional packages. Is
there any easy clue as to what they do? I personally suspect they do add
something positive to LibreOffice and might consider adding them to my
accessodf
Hi :)
Ok, so the question is why have 2 different branches at all?
The Fresh branch has the advantage of having more features but what
advantage does the older branch have?
In the case of Chevrolet Impala 2013 and 2011 i seriously doubt that both
models are being manufactured at the same time.
Hi :)
Ok, in the case of fruit, say apples and oranges. There are clear
differences between them. They might be available (or better) in different
seasons. One is usually orange and the other usually green or red. One
might be juicier than the other. One more acidic than the other.
Different
The weird thing is that Java is havely used in the Oracle databases. How com
they can have quite reliable databases...
Op 5 aug. 2014, om 15:35 heeft Tom Davies het volgende geschreven:
Hi :)
+1
I think Base nearly does do the best way around. The only problem is that
the easiest thing,
Using LinuxMint v17.0 Qiana qith the MATE DE.
Have followed with interest the recent discussins on Base and have
decided to try and learn how to use it, using PostGreSQL as the
backend. But - and there is always one of those :-) - how many of
the multitude of postgrsql files in Synaptic do
Bullshit. There are plenty of cross-platform RDBMSes that are not
implemented in this grotesque proprietary abomination that Java is.
My comment, or Sun's decision ?
Sun's decision. Compulsive Javamania.
There are bulkloads of programming languages and frameworks that allow
cross-platform
Hi :)
Thanks. Ok so it mostly looks like stuff that i wouldn't notice whether
it's there or not but i can easily imagine some people would prefer to have
some or other of it.
Regards from
Tom :)
On 6 August 2014 12:07, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 05/08/2014 21:24, Tom
Am 06.08.2014 13:07, schrieb Tom Davies:
So again the question has apparently gone back to What is the advantage of
the Still branch. Why would people choose it or what circumstances would
suit Still better than Fresh?
The main advantage is its age: it's more mature; it has been in use for a
Le 06/08/2014 13:00, Tom Davies a écrit :
Hi :)
Ok, so the question is why have 2 different branches at all?
The Fresh branch has the advantage of having more features but what
advantage does the older branch have?
To have less bugs and regressions that make it more sure to use by
average
Nino,
Right on target; I could not have said it better. As for the release pace there
is a theory that suggests that slowing it to a rearly rythmn would decrease the
intetest of developers. But that is obviously a theory, and cannot be an exact
science.
Best,
Charles.
On 6 août 2014
I know that its not LO base specific but can,t find a way how to or
example of something like this.
What i want using cars as example is to make a search for
color,year,doors,model.kilometers driven,cabrio,engine,fuel and so
many more options.
Who can help me on my way how to set somthing
Hi :)
Ok, so that sounds like the 4th or 6th cycle of a branch has reduced the
bugs and regressions = i think most people would call that making it more
stable wouldn't they?
Then the point about recent releases having had less usage seems to be
saying that it is not quite so stable.
Actually
Hi :)
Errr, i think the LTS idea works well as long as there is a 6 monthly
release, or at least a much faster-paced release cycle for another branch.
The 6 monthly alone is difficult for many people to keep up with, even for
big fans, but it does do a lot for excitement and energy. It motivates
Hi :)
An rtfm answer that DOES link to documentation is still a bit rude but i
like this one. It's the links that make it really useful.
Do these links go to the same place?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Base_Handbook
We have developed a cycle for each line where we know that x.x.0 is
the newest and x.x.6/7 is the most mature of that line. So we should
use that idea.
Yes we have two lines.
Yes there is an idea of maturity vs. younger/fresher
Yes the newer line should have more features to work with or
Hello Tim,
Le 06.08.2014 15:04, Kracked_P_P---webmaster a écrit :
We have developed a cycle for each line where we know that x.x.0 is
the newest and x.x.6/7 is the most mature of that line. So we should
use that idea.
Yes we have two lines.
Yes there is an idea of maturity vs.
So, you do go through stages. You just misnomered them.
Why not just use that?
Stages:
Alpha
Beta
Release Candidate
Final Release Candidate (LO v4.3.0)
Stable (LO v4.2.6)
As said in my previous post. The download page is confusing enough.
Unconfuse it with the above stages. This fresh and
Hello Tom,
A few thoughts on the LTS - it's good we are on the users list just for
this topic I think.
LTS (Long Term Support) is often misunderstood. Canonical introduced the
notion of LTS, but few realize that they were able to do so and are able
to maintain this kind of version for the
Le 06/08/2014 13:16, Wolfgang Keller a écrit :
The SDBC driver was already there, developed by third-parties.
http://www.openoffice.org/dba/drivers/postgresql/
shows the limitations of the driver at the time the decision to move to
hsqldb was made, and they were quite severe. In addition,
Each branch has its own release candidates, even its final release
candiates. Each branch is autonomous (has its master branch, if you
will), and has its stable releases.
BTW: we don't reinvent the wheel here, this is how development works and
the use of terminology we use (alphas, betas,
Hi :)
+1
too.
Regards from
Tom :)
On 6 August 2014 05:47, J. Van Brimmer jerry...@gmail.com wrote:
+1
On Aug 5, 2014 6:42 PM, arakish rmfrun...@gmail.com wrote:
It is of my opinion that you should stick with the standards.
What is wrong with calling the newest possible stable version
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:05:08 +0200
Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
Clearly it is not so easy for new people to figure it out otherwise
we wouldn't keep on having to answer this same question from so
many new users.
So you answer them and they will know, this is how support works.
I don't know the cars in question, so maybe that specific case is
different. But in my general experience, when two car models are sold,
the only reason the older one is still sold is because they have unsold
vehicles that they need to get rid of, so they offer them at a lower
price, and the only
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 15:56:13 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
LTS will never, however magically produce a better quality release
No, not magically, but by the very nature of it being around for longer
it will, in the end, result in a more stable product.
On 8/6/2014 9:49 AM, arakish rmfrun...@gmail.com wrote:
Stages:
Alpha
Beta
Release Candidate
Final Release Candidate (LO v4.3.0)
Stable (LO v4.2.6)
Or go the Debian way...
4.3 would be the 'Testing' branch...
4.2.x would be the Stable branch...
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Hi :)
Another stable release from the MariaDb people.
MySql is widely used on many web-hosting companies and in many other
places. However it is owned by Oracle so many people want to move away
from it. MariaDb is a community-owned drop-in replacement that should be
easy to migrate to.
I've
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 13:52:28 +0200
Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 06/08/2014 13:00, Tom Davies a écrit :
Hi :)
Ok, so the question is why have 2 different branches at all?
The Fresh branch has the advantage of having more features but
what advantage does the older branch
Le 06.08.2014 16:22, Paul a écrit :
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 15:56:13 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
LTS will never, however magically produce a better quality release
No, not magically, but by the very nature of it being around for longer
it will, in the
Hi,
Le 06/08/2014 15:49, arakish a écrit :
So, you do go through stages. You just misnomered them.
Why not just use that?
Stages:
Alpha
Beta
Release Candidate
Final Release Candidate (LO v4.3.0)
Stable (LO v4.2.6)
Please read this page to know more about our development process
Le 06.08.2014 16:14, Paul a écrit :
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:05:08 +0200
Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
Clearly it is not so easy for new people to figure it out otherwise
we wouldn't keep on having to answer this same question from so
many new users.
So you answer them and they will
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 13:35:55 +0100
Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi :)
Ok, so that sounds like the 4th or 6th cycle of a branch has
reduced the bugs and regressions = i think most people would call
that making it more stable wouldn't they?
By definition, yes.
Stable is hard to
So, what appears to be happening is consensus that other database
back-ends should be used.
What is implied, is that Base does not have the ability to generate from
a package, the selected external database of choice.
1. Is this correct?
2. Should it be corrected?
3. When generated, should
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 16:31:46 +0200
Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Le 06/08/2014 15:49, arakish a écrit :
So, you do go through stages. You just misnomered them.
Why not just use that?
Stages:
Alpha
Beta
Release Candidate
Final Release Candidate (LO v4.3.0)
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 16:36:33 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Le 06.08.2014 16:14, Paul a écrit :
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 12:05:08 +0200
Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
Clearly it is not so easy for new people to figure it out
otherwise we
Le 06/08/2014 16:48, Paul a écrit :
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 16:31:46 +0200
Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Le 06/08/2014 15:49, arakish a écrit :
So, you do go through stages. You just misnomered them.
Why not just use that?
Stages:
Alpha
Beta
Release Candidate
Final
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:01:33 +0200
Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote:
And we come back to the beginning of the discussion, if you have
better names, the marketing team will be happy to discuss them :)
Kind regards
Sophie
Sure, please pass on to the team:
Stable
Development (or Current,
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:32 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Paul : did you intend to post this off list?
No, sorry, my bad for not checking the address. I just clicked reply.
For most messages that goes to the list, I don't know why some people
seem to
Hello Paul,
On 6 août 2014 17:37:58 CEST, Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:32 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Paul : did you intend to post this off list?
No, sorry, my bad for not checking the address. I just clicked
Hi!
I prepare my phd-paper in LO and have a lot of related documents like
reports, orders and etc. I'd like to share some text between all of this
documents. There are not only information about subject and author, but also
large parts of text like research results, goals and etc.
Can anybody
Hi :)
Yeh, i have always thought that giving the newest users the least stable
version is a bad idea.
At the moment it is only once you are familiar with LibreOffice and become
able to cope with problems more easily that you are able to get the least
buggy version!
One of the problems with the
Hi :)
i think that could get really confusing! At the moment internal means
within Base itself and external means anywhere else.
However the anywhere else is really quite a vast range of places! And
the back-end could even be moved from one place to another with very little
change in Base.
To rule out the keyboard possibility, perhaps try a different keyboard,
plugged directly into the PC (no USB hubs or other cables in between).
I've previously found that a faulty keyboard (or USB cable or hub
between keyboard and PC) can act as if keys get stuck down (seems like
the PC
At 08:58 06/08/2014 -0700, Alex Barmin wrote:
I prepare my phd-paper in LO and have a lot of related documents
like reports, orders and etc. I'd like to share some text between
all of this documents. There are not only information about subject
and author, but also large parts of text like
Hi Tom,
If we do not find the bugs in the fresh version, they won't be resolved until
the rename to Stable/Still. If less use Fresh, the quality of the next stable
will be lower Does this help?
Liebe Grüße, / Yours,
Florian Reisinger
Am 06.08.2014 um 11:17 schrieb Tom Davies
Actually, it's just as easy to use Access as a front end to external DBMS'
as it is to use Base. As long as an ODBC driver is available and registered
in Windows, the external database looks like the native database. Just as
in Base, the features of the external DBMS have to be exposed by the
Tom Davies wrote:
I am beginning to like the sound of mature branch and young branch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mature_technology : A mature technology is
a technology that has been in use for long enough that most of its
initial faults and inherent problems have been removed or reduced
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:55:14 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Hello Paul,
On 6 août 2014 17:37:58 CEST, Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:20:32 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Hi Tom,
I will try to rephrase it... Fresh is going to be renamed to Still (Stable)
after a while. Bugs not found in Fresh will land in Stable within 6M... So the
quality of the Stable will decrease if less people use the Fresh branch... So
we need to find bugs early in the cycle ( when it is
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 19:01:19 +0200
Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote:
Hi Tom,
If we do not find the bugs in the fresh version, they won't be
resolved until the rename to Stable/Still. If less use Fresh, the
quality of the next stable will be lower Does this help?
That is
Hi Florian,
Florian Reisinger wrote on 06-08-14 20:01:
Hi Tom,
[...]
Thanks for your encouraging attempts to explain over and again.
I would expect that only for newcomers those items could ask for _some_
explanation.
Cheers,
Cor
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Just to add another point... (see inline)
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 20:04:56 +0200
Paul paulste...@afrihost.co.za wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 19:01:19 +0200
Florian Reisinger flo...@libreoffice.org wrote:
Hi Tom,
If we do not find the bugs in the fresh version, they won't be
resolved
Perhaps this is a phish email wanting a reply for evil purposes!
Original message
From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org
Date:08/05/2014 11:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Kracked_P_P---webmaster
Paul,
The fresh branch is stable enough for everyone to use. LibreOffice does
not pilot planes, it does not usually crash, it does the job. There are
people who want newer features and people who want more tested
versions. There's food for everyone.
Now: if you have ideas for new names, etc. you
Hi Mark,
That gives me something else to try - plugging in another keyboard. This
notebook computer is still under warranty and now would be the time to
find out. But what still puzzles me, is why only Calc? Why doesn't it
affect any other program? I extensively use Gnucash also. One
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 20:54:10 +0200
Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Paul,
The fresh branch is stable enough for everyone to use. LibreOffice
does not pilot planes, it does not usually crash, it does the job.
There are people who want newer features and people
I'm so confused by the multiple version that I have to ask.
Several neighbors are eligible for me to install LibreOffice.
One has Windows XP.
One has Windows 7 and o9ne has Windows 8.
One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
Another has Red Hat and another has a Mac.
What version shall I use for
Paul-6 wrote
So for me first prize would be to have both branches as equal downloads
on the LO download page. With a clear, concise explanation of what each
offers, and a link to a slightly longer, fuller explanation. That is
exactly what I am proposing should be done.
But barring that, if
No great mystery.
If they are more conservative--LibreOffice 4.2.6 is a solid build, somewhat
lacking in the latest office features.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-still/
If they have more tolerance for change, and accept the potential for some as
yet undescribed bugs
On 08/06/2014 10:31 AM, Sophie wrote:
Hi,
Le 06/08/2014 15:49, arakish a écrit :
So, you do go through stages. You just misnomered them.
Why not just use that?
Stages:
Alpha
Beta
Release Candidate
Final Release Candidate (LO v4.3.0)
Stable (LO v4.2.6)
Please read this page to know more
On 8/6/2014 10:55 AM, Paul wrote:
But that doesn't change the fact that the concept of an LTS version has
nothing to do with the business deals behind it.
Yes, and no.
As a general rule, Long Term Support is a direct function of
business/corporate support. (Debian is probably the best known
V Stuart Foote wrote on 8/6/2014 6:34 PM:
No great mystery.
If they are more conservative--LibreOffice 4.2.6 is a solid build, somewhat
lacking in the latest office features.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-still/
If they have more tolerance for change, and accept the
Pikov, *,
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From: Pikov Andropov [mailto:piko...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 6:31 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?
V Stuart Foote wrote on 8/6/2014 6:34 PM:
No great mystery.
If they are more
On 08/06/2014 05:29 PM, Pikov Andropov wrote:
I'm so confused by the multiple version that I have to ask.
Several neighbors are eligible for me to install LibreOffice.
One has Windows XP.
One has Windows 7 and o9ne has Windows 8.
One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
Another has Red Hat
Hi All -
So I have been using spreadsheet for about 10 years to keep track of a
goal that I set my first year of college (reading a million pages before
I die). That being said, I keep adding things to it and it's becoming
more and more complicated. This week I decided I wanted to add yet
On August 6, 2014 5:40:24 PM EDT, ESChamp esch...@gmail.com wrote:
I installed strawberry perl, went back to the script that had
previously
worked, edited out all my little attempts at troubleshooting,
and--voila!!!--it worked as it did before it stopped working.
Thanks for all your help and
I installed strawberry perl, went back to the script that had previously
worked, edited out all my little attempts at troubleshooting,
and--voila!!!--it worked as it did before it stopped working.
Thanks for all your help and encouragement.
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Hi, good night all:
As I understand there are some official versions. I think that could be
better that The Document Foundation only has one version for all
languages for production and makes its firsts efforts to solve all the
most important bugs (This would be by user and programmer
Le 06/08/2014 08:08, David Love a écrit :
Using LinuxMint v17.0 Qiana qith the MATE DE.
I have Mint 17 Cinnamon
Have followed with interest the recent discussins on Base and have decided
to try and learn how to use it, using PostGreSQL as the backend. But -
and there is always one of
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