At 06:40 23/02/2012 -0900, Marc Grober wrote:
Notice that I am top posting as suggested by the guidelines ...
I don't get involved in these disputes, mainly because they are
characterised by intransigence and _ad hominem_ arguments - and I
won't do so now. But you simply cannot expect to
Hi Marc,
I think that the main question is : want you help someone in this
list or not? In Italy we say that No one is born master... I' a
software developer but I don't know all languages that are available in
the world. Each person expresses their thoughts to the best of their
Il 22/02/2012 20:41, Mirosław Zalewski ha scritto:
On 22/02/2012 at 20:19, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Most people and especially those that are new to the lists will
top-post because that is what they are most familiar with.
Perhaps you have encountered that somewhere:
A:
-posters are going to claim that the guidelines
are rules and not really guidelines at all.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Fri, 24/2/12, Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Brian Barker b.m.bar...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
To: users
I think nobody needs this improductive discussion.
There too much places in the project where put the efforts.
What is the freedom?
You like top, do it.
You like bottom, do it.
You don't like top, don't read messages with top.
You don't like bottom, don't read messages with bottom.
You
Actually, I was referring to the guidelines as originally stated. The
guidelines have apparently been changed twice: once to add something about top
posting and once to add a reference to the same source cited by the article
generally. I was not engaged in any falsehood; I just don't check
Stefano,
I have been using listservs for more than 40 years and this is the only list I
have ever been on where some 10% of the traffic is this thrashing over top
posting. Yes, I regularly trim or intersperse comment, but when necessary in my
opinion, or warranted, a portion of my comment may
Hi :)
+1
Allow others to do as they want and forgive them their mistakes and/or
different ways of doing things.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Fri, 24/2/12, MiguelAngel mari...@miguelangel.mobi wrote:
From: MiguelAngel mari...@miguelangel.mobi
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:31:26 -0500, Tanstaafl
tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote Re Re: [libreoffice-users] Top
posting:
I'm DONE with you Tom... you are now officially and forever PLONKED,
never to have one of your brain-dead, disrespectful emails to grace my
Inbox again.
That is exactly the way
.
Learning a new way is different from being bullied into it. People can and do
learn.
'Regards' from
Tom :)
--- On Thu, 23/2/12, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
:)
--- On Thu, 23/2/12, Caesar cae...@hiwaay.net wrote:
From: Caesar cae...@hiwaay.net
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 14:05
On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:31:26 -0500, Tanstaafl
tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote Re Re
One reason I am not more involved in this community is the incessant whining
from the juveniles. Notice that I am top posting as suggested by the guidelines
as my comment would not be really benefitted by a long scroll down a thread of
shame, lol Chin up, Tom, and hope that some may find
:)
--- On Thu, 23/2/12, Marc Grober m...@interak.com wrote:
From: Marc Grober m...@interak.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 23 February, 2012, 15:40
One reason I am not more involved in this community
I hesitate to add to this thread which is already bloated. However ...
--On Wednesday, February 22, 2012 20:43 +0100 Stefan Weigel
stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote:
---8===
Am 22.02.2012 20:19, schrieb Tom Davies:
Is our main aim here to change the way people post or
is it to
On 2012-02-23 1:47 PM, James E. Lang jim+...@lang.hm wrote:
Failing to follow guidelines, in this case is not a matter of lack of
respect for others on the list but rather a means of attempting to
communicate clearly.
Very true, but I wasn't speaking in a general sense, I was speaking
about
On 23/02/2012, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
On 2012-02-22 2:19 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Most people and especially those that are new to the lists will
top-post because that is what they are most familiar with.
Yeah yeah yeah, we've heard it all from you
On 22/02/2012 at 20:19, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Most people and especially those that are new to the lists will
top-post because that is what they are most familiar with.
Perhaps you have encountered that somewhere:
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally
Again this topic? Well.
Am 22.02.2012 20:19, schrieb Tom Davies:
Is our main aim here to change the way people post or
is it to help people move to LibreOffice?
Helping people must not become a pain in the neck for the voluntary
supporters. That´s why the posting quidelines should be
direction
then i might have tried again but i have no interest in allowing bullies to
intimidate me or anyone else.
'Regards' from
Tom :)
--- On Wed, 22/2/12, Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl wrote:
From: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top
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On 2/22/2012 2:19 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Most people and especially those that are new to the lists will
top-post because that is what they are most familiar with. Office
workers have almost never seen any alternative. Unless the office apps
are
, Mirosław Zalewskimini...@poczta.onet.pl wrote:
From: Mirosław Zalewskimini...@poczta.onet.pl
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top posting
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 22 February, 2012, 19:41
On 22/02/2012 at 20:19, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Most people
On 22/02/2012, Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl wrote:
In my entire life I have never seen any mailing list or Usenet group with so
much top-posting and unneeded quotes as this one. Since this is user support
group, it should be just ignored in most cases (we want to help user, not
On 02/22/2012 02:41 PM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote:
In my entire life I have never seen any mailing list or Usenet group
with so much top-posting and unneeded quotes as this one.
It was not until I was on an OOo / LO mail list that I even knew that
some people did NOT always top post.
To get
-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List
Guidelines Page?
Hi
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 21:29 -0400, Don Myers wrote:
Reply below:
On 09/07/2011 08:02 PM, NoOp wrote:
For those that continue to insist on top posting on the LO lists: please
consider bottom posting with interspersed
On 09/08/2011 07:07 PM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:
I'm mobile and the mail app on this phone is hardcoded to push all quotes below
the reply
Why do you use such a bad application?
At least, your application should allow you to remove the text you're
answering to.
Please dont argue your're
On 09/09/2011 12:05 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
It is often handy to see the answer first. I can quickly determine whether or
not I care what the question is.
Right now, I trimmed and bottom posted: You can quickly see my answer.
I could have just removed all you text, if you nedded to
On 2011-09-08, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
You'll also notice that my reply doesn't have an additional set of
brackets, so in-line commenting makes it very difficult to know what
is new comment and what is from the previous message.
From Dennis' message headers:
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook
On 08/09/2011 02:29, Don Myers wrote:
I will respect your wishes about posting at the bottom. I live in the
US. I do a lot of work e-mails in my job, and receive a lot of work
e-mails. I never receive any e-mails where people reply to me at the
bottom. The reply is always at the top. I never
On 9/8/2011 9:00 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
- HTML formatted texts too
I hear that a lot. You should get a mail program that can be set to
ignore HTML. Thunderbird can be set to ignore HTML. I'm sure there are
others.
TB, if set to ignore HTML used to give you a blank screen (and a
On 09/09/2011 06:51 PM, David B Teague sr wrote:
On 9/8/2011 9:00 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
- HTML formatted texts too
I hear that a lot. You should get a mail program that can be set to
ignore HTML. Thunderbird can be set to ignore HTML. I'm sure there are
others.
TB, if set to
What the heck was that???
(top-posted because there is no way to make sense of the quoted text)
On 2011-09-07 9:53 PM, Keith Bates ke...@new-life.org.au wrote:
On 08/09/11 11:29, Don Myers wrote:Reply
below:On 09/07/2011 08:02 PM, NoOp wrote:For those that continue to
insist on top
On 2011-09-07 9:29 PM, Don Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com wrote:
I will respect your wishes about posting at the bottom.
It isn't about 'posting at the bottom' - it is about trimming your post
to only quote the relevant portion of the text you are responding to,
and placing each response (if you
September, 2011 12:44:58
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List
Guidelines Page?
On 2011-09-07 9:29 PM, Don Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com wrote:
I will respect your wishes about posting at the bottom.
It isn't about 'posting at the bottom' - it is about
Hi gary,
NoOp wrote (08-09-11 02:02)
For those that continue to insist on top posting on the LO lists: please
consider bottom posting with interspersed replies.
I think it is useful to have some clear examples (pictures from mails/
threads) that simply show how good mailing practices can be
, restrict and make unnecessary demands.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Tanstaafltansta...@libertytrek.org
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 8 September, 2011 12:44:58
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List
Guidelines Page
On 09/08/2011 04:29 AM, Don Myers wrote:
I live in the US. I do a lot of work e-mails in my job, and receive a
lot of work e-mails. I never receive any e-mails where people reply to
me at the bottom.
Because people you talk with read bottum-up.
And it's not a country custom, just a matter of
On 09/08/2011 06:37 AM, toki wrote:
Intermixed posting was the US standard. That changed when:
* AOL allowed its members on the Internet;
* Microsoft released its email client that made intermixed posting
virtually impossible for non-techies.
Agreed.
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On 09/08/2011 02:44 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
laziness vs spending a
few extra seconds intelligently crafting your responses.
That's the point: people are lazy and dont wan to mess with trimming and
formatting their answer. But they want the recipient to read carefully
what they wrote.
Crazy.
On 09/08/2011 03:13 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Top posting is fine.
Bottom posting is fine.
Almost everyone top-posts except some people in a few
OpenSource mailing lists. If you need to communicate with anyone that works in
an office then you probably have to top-post otherwise they will
On 09/08/2011 03:45 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:
For long threads, scrolling down to the bottom to read the new stuff is
a pain.
Because your correspondants did not trim the message, as I just did for
yours: I just select the line I want to answer and click on reply.
It
I'm with you Don, - see below -
On 08/09/2011 02:29, Don Myers wrote:
Reply below:
On 09/07/2011 08:02 PM, NoOp wrote:
For those that continue to insist on top posting on the LO lists: please
consider bottom posting with interspersed replies.
I realiz(s)e that the existing:
On 09/08/2011 07:44 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
Nothing to do with countries - only to do with laziness vs spending a
few extra seconds intelligently crafting your responses.
Thank you!!
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Sent: Thu, 8 September, 2011 14:03:13
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List
Guidelines Page?
On 09/08/2011 04:29 AM, Don Myers wrote:
I live in the US. I do a lot of work e-mails in my job
On 2011-09-08 9:11 AM, Chris Morgan ch...@lynxinfo.co.uk wrote:
I can see some of the advantages of bottom-posting, but it does mean
a lot more scrolling to get to the meat of the message.
I get so tired of this totally lame and purposefully ignorant excuse.
You only have to scroll if the
other way.
Regards from
Tom :)
--- On Thu, 8/9/11, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote:
From: Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List
Guidelines Page?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011
You only have to scroll if the person who is replying *blindly* quotes
the *entire* *message*, rather than - as *all* top/inline posting
advocates suggest - trimming the quoted text to only what is relevant
to provide context to your reply.
You and Tom Davies simply ignore that - so what
On 2011-09-08, Tanstaafl wrote:
What the heck was that???
(top-posted because there is no way to make sense of the quoted text)
I... guess it was some serious Thunderbird misconfiguration? Or maybe
it's written in Quenya...
(replied exactly below the question it's supposed to address, just
On 09/08/2011 04:11 PM, Chris Morgan wrote:
Professional emails are almost always top posted,
which is easier to read in the preview window of email readers.
What???
https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/8/30/120
Linux kernel Mailing list would be a non professional?
Given all the big companies
On 09/08/2011 04:11 PM, Chris Morgan wrote:
I can see some of the advantages of bottom-posting, but it does mean a
lot more scrolling
to get to the meat of the message.
Again, what the problem with trimming the message, just as I did?
Please tell.
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On 09/08/2011 04:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
This list should allow people to use what they are familiar with rather than try
to alienate new users surely?
I dont agree with you.
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On 2011-09-08, Tom Davies wrote:
On 09/08/2011 04:29 AM, Don Myers wrote:
I live in the US. I do a lot of work e-mails in my job, and receive a
lot of work e-mails. I never receive any e-mails where people reply to
me at the bottom.
Because people you talk with read bottum-up.
And it's not
On 2011-09-08, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2011-09-07 9:29 PM, Don Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com wrote:
I live in the US. I do a lot of work e-mails in my job, and receive a
lot of work e-mails. I never receive any e-mails where people reply
to me at the bottom. The reply is always at the top.
That
On 2011-09-08, Tom Davies wrote:
Outside of
LibreOffice and OpenSource everyone else uses top-post almost
exclusively.
Last time I went to USENET, people were still actively bottom-posting
(interleaved). At least excluding Google Groups posts, which I
filter. (Google Groups is the cultural
On 09/08/2011 05:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Really? Personal insults? Here??
If polite explanations are not enough, why not...
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On 09/08/2011 05:20 PM, Chris Morgan wrote:
People are lazy - get used to it.
I do.
But get used o me always reminding then.
In most cases top-posting is preferable
No.
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Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 16:10:50
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From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:03:04
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Reply-To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting
On 2011-09-08 11:32 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby miham...@rktmb.org wrote:
On 09/08/2011 05:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Really? Personal insults? Here??
If polite explanations are not enough, why not...
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On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 08:45:26AM -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press
Productions wrote:
For long threads, scrolling down to the bottom to read the new stuff
is a pain.
That only happens when people are too clueless or too lazy to trim their
replies.
...snip of material that should
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From: planas [mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 19:33
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we have an LO Mailing List
Guidelines Page?
Hi
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 21:29 -0400, Don Myers wrote
Reply below:
On 09/07/2011 08:02 PM, NoOp wrote:
For those that continue to insist on top posting on the LO lists: please
consider bottom posting with interspersed replies.
I realiz(s)e that the existing:
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/
doesn't specifically clarify anything
On 08/09/11 11:29, Don Myers wrote:Reply
below:On 09/07/2011 08:02 PM, NoOp wrote:For those that continue to
insist on top
posting on the LO lists: pleaseconsider bottom posting with
interspersed replies.Hi All,I will respect your wishes about posting at the
bottom. I live in
Hi
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 21:29 -0400, Don Myers wrote:
Reply below:
On 09/07/2011 08:02 PM, NoOp wrote:
For those that continue to insist on top posting on the LO lists: please
consider bottom posting with interspersed replies.
I realiz(s)e that the existing:
On 09/07/2011 10:33 PM, planas wrote:
Hi
On Wed, 2011-09-07 at 21:29 -0400, Don Myers wrote:
Reply below:
On 09/07/2011 08:02 PM, NoOp wrote:
For those that continue to insist on top posting on the LO lists: please
consider bottom posting with interspersed replies.
I realiz(s)e that the
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On 09/08/2011 01:29 AM, Don Myers wrote:
The reply is always at the top.
When I top post, I am 100% guaranteed that the recipient will be utterly
clueless about what I am referring to, and what action, if any, I will
be taking.
every system I've
On 19/02/2011 03:32, T. R. Valentine wrote:
On 18 February 2011 21:21, Robert Holtzmanhol...@cox.net wrote:
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:58:41PM -0600, T. R. Valentine wrote:
On 17 February 2011 18:58, Robert Holtzmanhol...@cox.net wrote:
You have something against trimming quotes?
Too much
Le 19/02/2011 11:26, TVCSF Chair a écrit :
I have only been on this list, which I am now leaving,
Don't.
for less than a week [...]
More than 50% of the e-mails I have received have been on the subject of
how to manage the list, so why not get back to what this was presumably
set up for of
On 2/18/2011 11:30 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2011-02-17 9:18 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
The presence of archives, or people coming in to a discussion that's
already underway, is the main reason that mailing lists differ from
normal conversational e-mailing where there may well be only two
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 09:32:42PM -0600, T. R. Valentine wrote:
On 18 February 2011 21:21, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:58:41PM -0600, T. R. Valentine wrote:
On 17 February 2011 18:58, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
You have something against
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:28:03AM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
Too much work. One just hits reply, types where the cursor appears (on
top) and hits send.
Are you *trying* to be irritating or just trolling?
Neither. And the fact that the worst offender **agreed** with the
On 19 February 2011 14:13, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:28:03AM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
I didn't see that you expressed a point. It seemed that you were simply
bragging about ignoring email conventions.
Perhaps you didn't see my earlier comments on
trvalent...@gmail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 18 February, 2011 1:58:41
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] top-posting
On 17 February 2011 18:58, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
You have something against trimming quotes?
Too much work. One just hits reply, types where the cursor
Please take me off your lists!!!
Phil Woodruff - philan...@comcast.net
- Original Message -
From: Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 11:30:55 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] top-posting
On 2011-02-17 9:18 PM
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:37 AM, philan...@comcast.net wrote:
Please take me off your lists!!!
If you take just a fraction of a second to read the footer below
(which happens to get appended to every single message posted to this
discussion list), you'll see how you can remove yourself from
On 18 February 2011 21:21, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:58:41PM -0600, T. R. Valentine wrote:
On 17 February 2011 18:58, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
You have something against trimming quotes?
Too much work. One just hits reply, types where the
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
:
The first point is not news; it's more 'olds'. Same with the 2nd point. The
3rd point is an unpopular idea in this list that leads to bullying and is just
sad for an Office Suite list = it's an office suite for
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
:
Yes, on your way down and delete that which is not needed and Going back
and proofreading do all take time and require effort that top-posting doesn't
require. you might only have a 'small' amount of emails to deal
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
All the problems listed are solved by simply top-posting.
The only problems that top-posting solves is the problem of providing
a quality answer to technical questions. Lazy is as lazy does.
If it's too much work to do
.
'Regards' from
Tom
From: MR ZenWiz mrzen...@gmail.com
To: users@libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 17 February, 2011 20:06:13
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] top-posting
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
All the problems listed
On 17 February 2011 14:17, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Hi :)
Wow! Well, if this list is not going to help people that top-post and are
just
going to continue to be rude to them then LibreOffice is definitely not likely
to attract mainstream office workers. I might try to
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:58:08PM +, Tom Davies wrote:
snip.
At first i was prepared to accept that there might be technical reasons
why bottom posting is better but now i am beginning to think that anything
except top posting is insane.
That's undoubtedly
On 17 February 2011 18:58, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
You have something against trimming quotes?
Too much work. One just hits reply, types where the cursor appears (on
top) and hits send.
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Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care.
'When I get a
On 2/17/2011 6:58 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 07:58:08PM +, Tom Davies wrote:
snip.
At first i was prepared to accept that there might be technical reasons
why bottom posting is better but now i am beginning to think that anything
except
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