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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 6.2 Writer tab stops

2019-08-12 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2019-08-12 00:38, John Kaufmann wrote:


It has been months, and several releases, since I last used LO in any serious 
way, and it seems that, somewhere in the transitions from 4.? to 5.? to 6.2, 
Writer tab settings have been displaced.  The LO 6.2 online Help says:



"You can set a tab stop by clicking on the ruler or by selecting Format - Paragraph 
- Tabs. Both methods affect the  current paragraph or all selected paragraphs."
-- which is how I remember it.   But when I try, via the menu, to Format - Paragraph, 
there is no "Tabs" tab - just:

"Indents & Spacing" - "Alignment" - "Text Flow" - "Outline Numbering" - "Drop Caps" - "Borders" - 
"Area" - "Transparency".

And if I (double-)click on the ruler, it opens the same Format - Paragraph menu at the 
"Borders" tab (which of course has nothing to do with tab stop settings).

Can someone direct me to the solution to this common (and formerly simple) 
problem?


On further investigation, I find that including certain codes (like column break) in the scope of a 
"Format - Paragraph" operation upsets the menu (including removing the "Tabs" 
tab. Don't know why that is, and would be grateful for any enlightenment.

John

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[libreoffice-users] LO 6.2 Writer tab stops

2019-08-11 Thread John Kaufmann



It has been months, and several releases, since I last used LO in
  any serious way, and it seems that, somewhere in the transitions
  from 4.? to 5.? to 6.2, Writer tab settings have been displaced. 
  The LO 6.2 online Help says:




You can set a tab stop
by clicking on the ruler or by selectingFormat
- Paragraph - Tabs.Both methods affect the
current paragraph or all selected paragraphs.
-- which is how I remember it.   But when I try, via the menu, toFormat -
Paragraph, there is no"Tabs"tab - just:


"IndentsSpacing" - "Alignment" - "Text Flow"
  - "OutlineNumbering" - "Drop Caps" - "Borders"
  - "Area" - "Transparency".


And if I
  (double-)click on the ruler, it opens the sameFormat -
Paragraphmenu at the "Borders" tab (which of course
  has nothing to do with tab stop settings).


Can someone direct me to the solution to this common (and
  formerly simple) problem?


John


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer 6.3.4.2 hangs on "Save as"

2020-02-28 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-02-28 20:52, chrispforr wrote:

...
Abruptly, on Windows 10, using Writer ver 6.3.2, I was unable to change the
name of existing .odt documents (but still able to save new documents, and
to save existing documents without changing the name.)
Result: LibreOffice hangs and I need to use Windows Task Manager to close
the app.
I uninstalled LibreOffice and did a fresh install of LibreOffice 6.3.4.2
(current ver). This did not solve the problem. ...


"Abruptly" - meaning you have been able to use "Save As", but can no longer? 
Before un/re-installing LO, my thought would be to see if this problem exists in other 
applications. Does it?

FWIW, I have no problem doing "Save As" with v.6.3.2, including under Windows.

Good luck,
john

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Writer 6.3.4.2 hangs on "Save as"

2020-02-29 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-02-29 14:15 Steve Edmonds wrote:


Have a look at Tools>Options>Libreoffice>General>Open/Save Dialogues.

I had to select Use Libreoffice Dialogues because I was having a problem
with the OS dialogues and LO, I think I was getting freezing.


Curious: I find no problem with "Save As" either way, but that makes a difference for you and 
Chris. Apparently at some point you were both able to do "Save As" /without/ "Use LibreOffice 
dialogs". It might be worth a bug report for some help to figure out what changed.

Steve, are you also (like Chris) on Windows 10?

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[libreoffice-users] Impress Remote

2020-01-29 Thread John Kaufmann


Since the latest update, I have left on "Show tips on startup" for the "Tip of the 
day".  Today's was about Impress Remote.  I was not aware of it, so looked at the link 
, which says:


"Download Impress Remote from the Google Play Store or the Apple Store by searching 
for “Impress Remote” in the search box. Be sure that the results bring Impress Remote 
from The Document Foundation (TDF)."

So I tried for my iPhone, but nothing: nothing from "Impress Remote”, nothing from 
"The Document Foundation”.  Anyone tried this?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Impress Remote

2020-01-29 Thread John Kaufmann


Thanks, jomali. I'm not in the habit of reading major web pages on a phone, so hoped to 
find it using app search from the directions given (search: "Impress Remote"), 
and did not even look to the bottom to get that link. When I sent that link to the 
iPhone, I learned why the search was null:


"The developer of this app needs to update it to work with your version 
[13.3] of iOS."

Version History:
1.0.1 Mar 25, 2014 fix crash on iOS 5

Copyright 2013 LibreOffice developers


The latest reviews (which /are/ enthusiastic) are from 2016; too bad I was unaware at the 
time. I wonder how many are still using it (any how it became a "Tip of the 
day" in 2020).

Oh well. Serves me right for updating the phone OS. I should have stopped 6 
years ago, at iOS 5 on iPhone 4.

Do you know:
a) if v.1.0.1 still runs on Android?
b) what might be needed to verify it for later versions of iOS?

John


On 2020-01-29 19:48, jomali wrote:

If you click the links at the bottom of the guide page, you will  go right
to the "LibreOffice Impress Remote" page on the Google Play Store or
"LibreOffice Remote for Impress" page for iOS.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:56 PM John Kaufmann  wrote:


Since the latest update, I have left on "Show tips on startup" for the
"Tip of the day".  Today's was about Impress Remote.  I was not aware of
it, so looked at the link <
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.0/he/text/simpress/guide/impress_remote.html>,
which says:


"Download Impress Remote from the Google Play Store or the Apple Store

by searching for “Impress Remote” in the search box. Be sure that the
results bring Impress Remote from The Document Foundation (TDF)."

So I tried for my iPhone, but nothing: nothing from "Impress Remote”, nothing from 
"The Document Foundation”.  Anyone tried this?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Writer will not print envelopes

2020-02-05 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-02-05 12:33, williamdrescher wrote:

Version: 6.2.8.2 (x64)
Build ID: f82ddfca21ebc1e222a662a32b25c0c9d20169ee

I insert an envelope into a document.  When I then print the document the
first page (the envelope) prints as a blank page.  The rest of the document
prints just fine.

Any suggestions or thoughts?


What is the printer? How does the print preview look?


Printer is a Brother MFC-780W.
Print preview is correct.

I usually feed the envelope manually, but feeding a whole page (checking for
the possibility of print outside of the envelope) produces the same result:
nothing printed.


Just tried on both my printers (HP LaserJet 2200DN and KM bizhub C386); neither 
has that problem, so it may be something specific to your Brother MFC. 
Otherwise, have you considered trying version 6.3.4.2(x64)?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer will not print envelopes

2020-02-03 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-01-31 05:36, williamdrescher wrote:> Win10

Version: 6.2.8.2 (x64)
Build ID: f82ddfca21ebc1e222a662a32b25c0c9d20169ee

I insert an envelope into a document.  When I then print the document the
first page (the envelope) prints as a blank page.  The rest of the document
prints just fine.

Any suggestions or thoughts?


What is the printer? How does the print preview look?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Just an opinion

2020-02-22 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-02-22 17:04, txemaclon wrote:

...
Libreoffice writer is a thousand times better than MS Word. But ... I
think Writer is too similar to Word, or at least too much inspired by
him, and so it is very difficult to be something really good. ...


Without disagreeing with either of your points, I think you need to realize that "better" 
is not adequate to guarantee use. (If it were, Word would not have displaced WordPerfect.) Enough 
people are sufficiently intimidated by these tools that they want little more than the comfort of 
relative familiarity. If LO sacrifices that (not to mention DOC/DOCX read and write), it will be 
difficult to get people to switch to something better. At least LO has not yet inflicted a ribbon 
on its users. Virtually every LO enhancement has to weigh the "compatibility" canard.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Changing the case of first letter of every paragraph

2020-03-05 Thread John Kaufmann

On 5/3/20 6:28 pm, Keith Bates wrote:

I have been using the voice typing feature in Google Chrome to write some
documents, then download them in .odt format for editing.

I find that it consistently starts a new paragraph with a lower case first
letter. So I need to find the first letter of every paragraph in the document
and convert it to upper case.

I thought of using Find and Replace with Regular Expressions, which is easy. ^[:lower:] finds every
lower case letter which is the first letter of a paragraph. But when I enter [:upper:] in the
replace box it simply pastes the text [:upper:] . I have both the "match case" and
"regular expressions" boxes ticked.

Is there a way to do this other than going through the document ad replacing
manually?

On 2020-03-05 04:00, Keith Bates wrote:

To answer my own question:

1. Use the Find and Replace box and Reg. Exp.. Click on "Find All".
2. Close "Find and Replace" dialog.
3. Right click on one of the highlighted letters. Format- Text- Upper case

Keith, I like your solution (and Brian's, which is as elegant as the way he presented
it), but am confused about step 3: do you /really/ right-click (for context menu)?
From step 1, you already have the first letter of each paragraph in focus; don't you
just go from there to the main menu ? [The order of
steps 2 and 3 has no effect - or, to put it another way, step 2 is not essential to
your solution.]

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Setting up Custom Outline Format

2020-04-08 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-04-08 12:28, Robert Steinmetz wrote:

On 4/6/20 12:53 PM, Robert Steinmetz wrote:

On 4/3/20 3:51 PM, Robert Steinmetz wrote:



I need Something like this:

1 Section - 1
2 1.1
3 A.
4    1)
5 a)
6    1.2

7 Section  - 2
8 2.1
9    A.
10   2.2
11  A.

...
I Can get lines 1-7 to work just fine.
but line 8 does not pickup the number 2  from the line above and comes out 1.1 
again.
...

I've figured it out.

I was not understanding the List Style -> Outline tab -> Customize -> Sublevels

Creating a Custom List Style then setting Customize -> Level 2 ->  Show 
Sublevels = 2 achieves what I want.

The next lower levels can be set to different numbering types and everything 
works like I need.


Great (suspected that might be the case - though you don't even need a Custom 
List Style to make it work that way).
Thanks for posting back to the list to close out the question.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] The bootstraprc/bootstrap.ini configuration variables

2020-04-14 Thread John Kaufmann

On 2020-04-14 10:34, Dan Lewis wrote:

On 4/14/20 01:28, John Kaufmann wrote:

For "Installing several versions of LibreOffice in parallel"
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel>, the wiki discusses editing
bootstraprc (Linux) or bootstrap.ini (Windows), changing the "UserInstallation" variable using
configuration variables $SYSUSERCONFIG and $ORIGIN.

The implication of the discussion seems to be that these variables are part of
a configuration language that is familiar to the reader. But it's not familiar
to me, and I'm having trouble to find the documentation (probably because my
terminology is imprecise). Can someone point me in the right direction?

I think that there is an easier way to install several versions of LibreOffice
in parallel, perhaps not in Windows or Mac. Presently I have the installation
files in /opt/: 6.2, 6.3, 6.3.4. and 6.4. I can run all four at the same time
if I so desire.

How did I do this? all but 6.3.4 were installed normally with one exception: I
changed the last line in bootstraprc using a text editor as an administrator.

UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/libreoffice/4 became
UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/libreoffice/6.3 for LibreOffice 6.3. Obviously
the end of this line for each of the other versions was 6.2, or 6.4
respectively. When a particular version was first started, the configuration
folder is created as a subfolder of /home/.config/

For version 6.3.4, this was more involved. First I followed the link that you
have mentioned to install this version in parallel within the folder containing
the installation files. (LibreOffice_6.3.4.1_Linux_x86-64_deb/DEBS/Install.
This created as a subfolder libreoffice6.3/ which is its installation folder.
Then I also followed the same instructions to install the help files for this
version in parallel. Next I moved the help folder to the libreoffice6.3
installation folder (/home/username/.config/libreoffice/) which made the help
files available to this parallel version of 6.3.4 when it is run.

Next to the last step: Modify the bootstraprc last line to

UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/libreoffice/4 became
UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/libreoffice/Direct. (I wanted to use this
particular version to connect to MySQL using the direct connection. Other
versions are either using either connecting to MySQL using JAVA or connecting
to HSQLDB 2.5.0.)

Last step: As administrator, I moved the libreoffice6.3 folder that I had
created to the /opt/ folder.

There may well be something listed here that could be used for Windows or Mac,
I do not know.

Dan, that is really elegant, and gives me a completely different way to think
about the configuration issues. Regina has pointed me to info on the original
approach, and each of these approaches helps to illuminate the other. For that
I'm grateful.

Best regards,
John

Re: [libreoffice-users] The bootstraprc/bootstrap.ini configuration variables

2020-04-15 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Regina,

On 2020-04-15 03:15, Regina Henschel wrote:

John Kaufmann schrieb am 15-Apr-20 um 05:18:


... in the spirit of teaching me how to fish, can you tell me the terms of your 
"quick search"?


I don't remember the exact ways, but one was with the variable names you have 
mentioned
   $ORIGIN $SYSUSERCONFIG

Because I know, that it is somewhere in the OpenOffice-Wiki, this one will work 
too
   $ORIGIN site:wiki.openoffice.org


Ah! - OO is a nice hook. [I recall you were an important contributor to OO as 
well as LO.]


I search using Google.


DuckDuckGo in my case, but the problem was the searcher, not the search engine.

Thanks again, and best regards,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] The bootstraprc/bootstrap.ini configuration variables

2020-04-15 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-04-15 09:08, Pulkit Krishna wrote:

A graphical way to install multiple versions of libreoffice on windows is
Separate Install GUI. It can be downloaded from:
http://tdf.io/siguiexe
Its documentation can be found at:-
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/si-gui/help/en.html
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/SI-GUI


Thanks. But (a) it's only for Windows (though that is important) and (b) 
developer Florian Reisinger has not looked at it for a while and a couple of 
links were broken. He was very responsive to email inquiries and fixed one link 
quickly, but the other one for SI-GUI support at nabble will not be so easy to 
replace.

Still, I want to use SI-GUI for Windows, if only to help others whom I'm 
introducing to LO. Meanwhile, though, I wanted to understand what what is 
needed for parallel installations, and the bootstrap variables were important 
to understand. It was worth pursuing this question just to get (from one of 
Regina's links) the following table:

Bootstrap variable  Meaning
$SYSUSERHOMEPath of the user's home directory (see osl_getHomeDir())
$SYSBINDIR  Path to the directory of the current executable.
$ORIGIN Path to the directory of the ini/rc file.
$SYSUSERCONFIG  Path to the directory where the user's configuration 
data is stored (see osl_getConfigDir())

I appreciate your reply.
Kind regards,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] The bootstraprc/bootstrap.ini configuration variables

2020-04-14 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Regina,

On 2020-04-14 07:48, Regina Henschel wrote:

John Kaufmann schrieb am 14-Apr-20 um 07:28:

For "Installing several versions of LibreOffice in parallel" 
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel>, the wiki discusses editing 
bootstraprc (Linux) or bootstrap.ini (Windows), changing the "UserInstallation" variable using 
configuration variables $SYSUSERCONFIG and $ORIGIN.

The implication of the discussion seems to be that these variables are part of 
a configuration language that is familiar to the reader.  But it's not familiar 
to me, and I'm having trouble to find the documentation (probably because my 
terminology is imprecise). Can someone point me in the right direction?


A quick search gives me
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/WritingUNO/Bootstrapping_a_Service_Manager
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Bootstraprc


Thank you! - taken together, a perfect introduction to the topic. As I failed so 
miserably, in the spirit of teaching me how to fish, can you tell me the terms of your 
"quick search"?

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Copying Pasting in Libre Writer

2020-04-13 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-04-13 12:12, charles meyer wrote:

...
I choose Select all or do Ctrl/A, then copy a Web site of text and live
links inot Writer and it appears with blue background so it's difficult to
read.

If I copy/Paste Special it loses the live links.

There are no photos or other graphics on the page.

I wanted to edit the text so I dind;t want to print it as a pdf.


With a typical web site I see no such problem. Did you examine the page source? 
What URL?

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[libreoffice-users] The bootstraprc/bootstrap.ini configuration variables

2020-04-13 Thread John Kaufmann


For "Installing several versions of LibreOffice in parallel" 
, the wiki discusses editing 
bootstraprc (Linux) or bootstrap.ini (Windows), changing the "UserInstallation" variable using 
configuration variables $SYSUSERCONFIG and $ORIGIN.

The implication of the discussion seems to be that these variables are part of 
a configuration language that is familiar to the reader.  But it's not familiar 
to me, and I'm having trouble to find the documentation (probably because my 
terminology is imprecise). Can someone point me in the right direction?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Setting up Custom Outline Format

2020-04-03 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-04-03 13:24, Robert Steinmetz wrote:

I have been attempting to set up a custom outline format and have searched the 
Internet for an answer but many of the answer refer to older versions of LO and 
I really am having trouble understanding how to do it.

So which version are you using?


I need Something like this:

Section - 1
 1.1
 A.
 1)
 a)
 1.2

Section  - 2
 2.1
A.
 2.2
 A.

What I can't figure out is how to get the sub paragraph automatic pick up the 
section number.


Not sure what you are asking, so let's begin with definition of your levels:
Level 1: Numeric {1..},  "" token after
Level 2: Numeric {1..},  level 1 prepended, "." separator, "" token 
after
Level 3: Alpha UC {A..}, "." token after
Level 4: Numeric {1..},  ")" token after
Level 5: Alpha LC {a..}, ")" token after

Are you saying you cannot get Level 2 ({L1}.{L2}) to display properly?

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[libreoffice-users] LO Styles organization

2020-05-05 Thread John Kaufmann


I'm trying to understand what is contained in LO styles [which I know changes 
according to style class (for Writer: Paragraph, Page, etc)]. To simplify this 
question, I have decided to:
(a) focus on a Page style (instead of the more complex Paragraph style) 
to understand the principles;
(b) limit the initial inquiry to the relationship between the attributes defined 
in the tabs of that style definition and the attributes summarized in the Organizer tab's 
"Contains" section.

For example, for a custom Page style "Booklet" (used for 7.5"x8" folded/stapled 
booklets), the Organizer tab lists:
"
*Contains*
8.5 inch + From top 0.5 inch, From bottom 0.5 inch + No header + No 
footer + No grid + Text direction left-to-
right (horizontal) + Page Description: Arabic, Portrait, All + Booklet 
+ Not register-true
"

"Contains" uses "+" [rather than, say, \n] to separate attributes. [BTW: is there a 
better term than "attribute" to use here?]
In this case it lists 9 attributes (including the 2-part top/bottom margins 
attribute and the 3-part Page Description attribute):
- 2 (not all) attributes from the Page tab,
- 2 attributes from other tabs;
- 1 attribute defined in "Tools > Options > LibreOffice Writer (or is it 
LibreOffice Writer/Web?) > Grid";
- 2 attributes (Text direction, Page Description) defined nowhere that 
I can find;
- 1 attribute (the style name: "Booklet") defined in the Organizer tab;
- 1 more attribute (Not register-true) defined in the Page tab.

With the background provided by that example, I ask these questions about the Organizer 
tab "Contains" section:
(1) What is the significance of this section? Does it have any formal 
significance or functional use?
(2) Why does it list attributes not defined in the style?

[Any further questions would be clarified by the answers to those questions.]

Thanks,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Styles organization

2020-05-05 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-05-05 17:51, Michael H wrote:

I tried approaching this from the dialogs, and eventually gave up trying to
map it back to the spec.


Michael, I begin by observing that, while you have dropped many intriguing 
hints, you are way ahead of me, so I hope you will excuse a couple of novice 
questions.  Like you, I tried working from the dialogs (the user view of the 
style definition), but you were already a step ahead: to what spec were you 
mapping? Where do you find it?



However, when I found flat file format, I found that it's easier to
understand how it works by opening the .fodt files in a plain text editor,
and especially doing 'diff' style comparison between the same file saved as
flat file format before and after making only a couple changes to the
dialog in question.


Great tip, but [sorry, novice question again] where are these .fodt files?



However, pages are more complex than paragraph styles.  There's 3 (?)
different spots that changes to page definition reside in the actual xml,
and understanding their relationship is fun..


By "actual xml", you mean the document file? If so, wouldn't the page 
definition naturally be there?


I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Styles organization

2020-05-06 Thread John Kaufmann


Dear list: After posting those clueless followup questions, I dig some further 
digging and found the answers. But before I could post back to the list, Michael was 
so kind as to write to me (inadvertently off-list), not only with answers to the 
questions but with additional info that the current version of the ODT spec is v.1.3 
(for LO 7) 
<https://www.oasis-open.org/news/announcements/open-document-format-for-office-applications-opendocument-v1-3-from-the-opendocum>.

For anyone else who might be equally as clueless as I was,
- Michael was referring to ODT spec v.1.2 (the version applicable to LO 6) 
<https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=office>.
- .fodt files are just the format you get when choosing "Flat XML ODF Text Document 
(*.fodt)" when saving a document.

None of that gets to clarity on my original question, about the relationship between a 
style's Organizer tab "Contains" section and the attributes defined in the 
style, but that may come from more more digging through the spec. If so, I will post back 
to complete the thread. This is basic to understanding how styles are structured and used 
in a document.

John


On 2020-05-05 23:31, John Kaufmann wrote:

On 2020-05-05 17:51, Michael H wrote:

I tried approaching this from the dialogs, and eventually gave up trying to
map it back to the spec.


Michael, I begin by observing that, while you have dropped many intriguing 
hints, you are way ahead of me, so I hope you will excuse a couple of novice 
questions.  Like you, I tried working from the dialogs (the user view of the 
style definition), but you were already a step ahead: to what spec were you 
mapping? Where do you find it?



However, when I found flat file format, I found that it's easier to
understand how it works by opening the .fodt files in a plain text editor,
and especially doing 'diff' style comparison between the same file saved as
flat file format before and after making only a couple changes to the
dialog in question.


Great tip, but [sorry, novice question again] where are these .fodt files?



However, pages are more complex than paragraph styles.  There's 3 (?)
different spots that changes to page definition reside in the actual xml,
and understanding their relationship is fun..


By "actual xml", you mean the document file? If so, wouldn't the page 
definition naturally be there?


I appreciate you pointing me in the right direction,
John



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Clear all tables in Writer

2020-08-31 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-08-30 12:41, charles meyer wrote:

I often copy/paste content from forums, etc.

Writer seems to automatically place all that comets into tables and them I
have to cut, delete rows, etc. and spend a lot of time eliminating the
table formatting.

If I copy/paste special it removes graphics etc.

Is there anyway to inform Writer not to put content copied into table
format before pasting that content into Writer?


First of all, yes to the question: Check out the various Edit > Paste Special (V) options, 
beginning with Paste Unformatted Text (V), which will always give just a text string, 
without table or other formatting. (However, note that in doing so, the "unformatted text" will then adopt the 
formatting into which it is inserted.)

Also note that, depending on the source context, Paste Special will offer 
appropriate table-oriented paste options.

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[libreoffice-users] Draw styles (and Writer Paragraph Style views)

2020-09-09 Thread John Kaufmann


Draw does not have "default" styles, as there are in Calc or Writer, but does have two 
classes of styles -- Drawing and Presentation -- which it (kind of) shares with the Impress module. 
Trying to understand the design philosophy in order to use them efficiently, I looked into the Help 
(which provided no help) and then into the Draw Guide (6.2), which says only to refer to the Writer 
Guide for "Text Styles".
 
I was skeptical [since Writer has "Paragraph Styles", "Character Styles", "Frame Styles", Page Styles", List Styles and "Table Styles", but no "Text Styles"]. But I checked (Writer Guide 6.0), and found one reference to "Text Styles", that being one of the view filters for "Paragraph Styles".  IOW, going to the Writer Guide for info on Draw styles was, as expected, a wild-goose chase, but now there was a new set of question: The complete list of those views which apply only to Paragraph Styles are:

Automatic
Text Styles
Chapter Styles
List Styles
Index Styles
Special Styles
HTML Styles
Conditional Styles

Unfortunately, what those view names /mean/ is not covered in the Guide, except 
for Conditional Styles. List Styles are, of course, already a class of styles 
in addition to a view of Paragraph Styles. So now I'm a couple hours past what 
I thought to be a simple question, and -- except for learning of the useful 
tool of Conditional (paragraph) Styles -- just have more questions. Can someone 
point me to documentation on these Paragraph Styles views?

And (to get back to the question I was trying to settle to get my work done) is 
there documentation on how to use the Draw styles?

Thanks,
John

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[libreoffice-users] Writer "Show variable" from Custom Properties?

2020-10-19 Thread John Kaufmann


The current Writer Guide (WG60, I believe) says that one way to define variables 
(particularly, but not limited to, text values) for use in a document is in "Custom 
Properties"
(File > Properties > Custom Properties).
Unfortunately, variables so defined do not show in the "Show variables" list
(Insert > Field > More Fields > Variables > Show variable).
So how are those variables inserted as text fields in the document?  AFAICS 
neither Writer Help nor WG60 covers this question.

Also not covered (AFAICS) is the use of DDE for text fields in the document. 
How is that done?

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer "Show variable" from Custom Properties?

2020-10-19 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-10-20 00:53, John Kaufmann wrote:


The current Writer Guide (WG60, I believe) says that one way to define variables 
(particularly, but not limited to, text values) for use in a document is in "Custom 
Properties"
 (File > Properties > Custom Properties).
Unfortunately, variables so defined do not show in the "Show variables" list
 (Insert > Field > More Fields > Variables > Show variable).
So how are those variables inserted as text fields in the document?  AFAICS 
neither Writer Help nor WG60 covers this question.


Um, sorry for the list noise on this question. After a couple hours of not finding it in 
the referenced documentation (Help and WG60), I just found that variables defined in 
"Custom Properties" are treated differently from variables defined via 
Insert... .
So, from Insert > Field > More Fields, the "Custom Properties" variables
are inserted from the "DocInformation" tab > "Custom"
rather than from the "Variables" tab > "Show variable".

But that raises new questions. For example: Isn't it a hazard to having two 
databases for the document's variables? For example, what happens if the same 
variable name is used in both places?

Also, I still have not found an answer to this:

Also not covered (AFAICS) is the use of DDE for text fields in the document. 
How is that done?


John


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Multiple newlines

2020-07-21 Thread John Kaufmann

Hi Brian,

On 2020-07-21 14:09, Brian Barker wrote:

At 01:16 21/07/2020 -0400, John Kaufmann wrote:
...

AutoCorrect had the effect of changing most non-empty "Default Style" paragraphs to "Text Body" style, with the rest chosen [by spacing hints?] to be
"Hanging Indent", "Heading", "Heading 1", "List", "List 1", "Numbering 2" or "Text Body Indent". (Empty
paragraphs remained "Default Style".) That was a MUCH more elaborate and sophisticated AutoCorrect than I ever would have imagined.

You may or may not want all that to happen. If not, it is wise to use this
technique first, before applying any other formatting. You can then choose to
select all the text and apply a paragraph style of choice - Default, Text Body,
or whatever.

As I said, I was surprised that AutoCorrect had the effect of sorting different plain
text paragraphs into different paragraph styles. I would never have expected
"AutoCorrect" to include a function so ambitious, and am still thinking about
the implications. [What is the basis for assigning paragraphs to styles? Does this imply
something reserved about certain styles, or are styles profiled (if so, how? - on what
basis?) for this function?] The least one can say it that it's inarguably clever - and as
a practical matter, cleaning up from that was not burdensome.

But, in time, I would love to know. After all, every other AutoCorrect
function is a product of explicit rules. I'm sure this is also, but have not
had time to think about what those rules would be, and how they are built.
[Just a couple days ago that I was thinking in terms of editors parsing on
specific (low-ASCII) codes rather than XML statements. I'm still adjusting. ;-)
]

John

[libreoffice-users] Multiple newlines

2020-07-20 Thread John Kaufmann


Documents archived in Project Gutenberg are typically simple text, with each line ending in  
(Hex:0D0A), so that paragraphs are separated by an empty line . I thought it 
would be simple to convert one such (5657.txt) to format in Writer, but stumbled on elementary problems in 
Find-&-Replace [Ctrl-H] using regular expressions:

(1) "\n" is not found. Should not "\n" match one of the codes in ? [If 
not, what code(s) should "\n" match?]

(2) Although "$" is found (matches to ), "$$" (for successive occurrences 
of ) is not found. Why?

(3) Doing Find "$" & Replace with " " (single space),  is replaced by 
" " (single space). However,
doing Find "$" & Replace with "@" (single @char),  is replaced by 
"@@" (double @char).  Why?

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Multiple newlines

2020-07-21 Thread John Kaufmann

Brian,

On 2020-07-21 22:21, Brian Barker wrote:

At 01:16 21/07/2020 -0400, John Kaufmann wrote:

You sent me to do something I should have done before asking the question: examine a hex dump of an ODT
content.xml file. I see what you mean about "no codes": A paragraph is just a text string between
XML bounds and , and a line break (inside the paragraph bounds) is just
.

Actually, I don't think they are even that: those are just how they are represented in Open
Document Format. Remember that documents files can be saved from LibreOffice is other formats too.
I think what you have in the editing window at the end of a paragraph is defined not by how it will
be represented in any saved file but by its properties in the window - in other words, what you can
do with it and how you do it. And the answer to that is simply a "paragraph break" and a
"line break".

You are right, of course: one of those "other formats" is plain text, which gets us back to
the ASCII codes, which is where we came into this discussion. I agree with your
paradigm -- that a paragraph (or tab, or other construct) is what you see in the word processor, not
the representation of that construct in any particular file format -- but I'm just stuck expressing
myself in a former paradigm.
This may take time. :-)

Thanks,
John

Re: [libreoffice-users] defective field in header on one page

2020-08-01 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-08-01 12:24, Philip Jackson wrote:

I'm carrying out a minor rework on a book I wrote in Writer some 3 years' ago. 
The problem which is stumping me is that the field which displays the chapter 
name in the header of the right hand pages is missing on page 37.
...
Anything I do to reapply this field or edit the field in page 37 appears in all 
the other right hand page headers as well.

I can't see anything in the style spec of p37 that differs from any of the 
other right hand pages. I've tried deleting this page and reinserting but the 
problem gets inherited by the new page.


Did you try just clearing all direct (non-styled) formatting from that chapter 
name?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Add a bookmark to TOC

2020-08-01 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-08-01 09:39, Luuk wrote:

...
Somtehing like this document:

https://gofile.io/d/KzdBTw
?


I'm sure that solves OU's problem, but:

(1) How did you make the word/paragraph "Dedication:" an indexing target?

(2) To hide it, what was the reason for choosing a White font color rather than 
the Hidden attribute?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Date acceptance patterns and date/time fields

2020-07-31 Thread John Kaufmann

On 2020-07-31 17:28, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den fre 31 juli 2020 kl 20:57 skrev John Kaufmann:
...

...
Draw also appears to be not flexible, but uses /different/
formatting for Date (MM/DD/) and Time (HH:mm:ss AM|PM). This seems to
be the worst of all possible choices, because the formats are neither
strict ISO nor as I would like.

Which language settings do you have? I'm Swedish and in draw I can choose
between the following date formats when inserting a date field:
-DD-MM (default)
DD
YY-DD-MM
DD MMM
NN "den" D MMM YY
D

When inserting a time field I have the following options:
HH:mm:ss (default)
HH:mm
HH:mm:ss,00
HH:mm AM/PM
HH:mm:ss AM/PM
HH:mm:ss,00 AM/PM

Those are all in Draw?! [BTW: I'll bet that ambiguous format "YY-DD-MM" is a
nightmare begging to be mistaken.] In my version (US, 6.4.4.2, W10) Draw offers no
alternative Date or Time formats. It's strange that localization would make that
functional difference. Having said that ...

Though my localization is en-US, I choose "Locale setting: English (Canada)" just to get
the additional "Date acceptance patterns" (including ISO) -- which is a reminder that I
never understood the OO/LO obsession with choosing date and time formats for the user. The choice
restrictions limit users, require stupid and tedious workarounds, and are an unnecessary burden on
developers, who have much better things to do than define date and time formats for localizations
and languages. This thread seems another example of the wrongheadedness of that approach. Having
said that ...

I still don't know the answer to my earlier basic question of whether the "Date
acceptance patterns" are related to the date format restrictions in some modules
like Calc and Draw.

Thanks for letting me know the this issue is far from settled in LO.

Kind regards,
John

Re: [libreoffice-users] Date acceptance patterns and date/time fields

2020-07-31 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-07-31 18:26, Dave Howorth wrote:

...
I agree though that it's strange that fields don't work the same over
the whole suite. Seems like someone unnecessarily re-invented the
wheel, and did that more than once…


I agree with those sentiments. I'm in the UK and Draw doesn't offer me
any choices I'm interested in, so I simply won't use it - it's not fit
for purpose IMHO. Why can't I use the same formats as you?


Or, indeed, why must a user choose among 'allowed' formats for the language? 
Why not let the user define the formats... period?

Kind regards,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Add a bookmark to TOC

2020-08-02 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-08-02 12:46, Office User wrote:

On 02/08/2020 15:34, Luuk wrote:

On 2-8-2020 13:06, User wrote:

...
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to view your document, because the Google
dictatorship would not allow me to see it without creating one of their
malware accounts. ...


Malware is something COMPLETELY different ...

If you create such an account (i do not say you have to ), you still
have the possibility to only use it under 'special' circumstances.

Malware is something which gets used without permission(s)


Luuk,

Under no circumstances whatsoever will you ever lecture me about
whatever terminology I choose to use.

You obviously lack the intellect to comprehend what was meant by my
reference to Google.

Your commentary is both unnecessary, unwelcome.

I ask that you never again respond to anything I post to this list and
any attempt at private contact will be ignored.

Please let this be an end to this thread.


Sorry, Dave, but it should not end there: AFAICS (and if you see differently, 
please say how), Luuk has done nothing but try to help. He gave a solution to 
your problem (maybe not quite optimal, but one that you adopted in the end) and 
tried to show you how to access Michael's Google Drive file (which as 
inadvertently posted without public read privilege; as it happens, even if you 
had a Google account, you would have still needed to request to see the file).

OK, I get it: you don't like Google. That is your right. FWIW, I use my account 
rarely (never mail from it, and all mail to it forwards directly my regular 
email account), but the account is occasionally useful for taking advantage of 
Google services like collaboration tools (when initiated by others) or 
correcting Google browsing tag errors. That's all Luuk was trying to say: you 
don't have to let Google into your life to make use of some handy tools they 
offer. As he put it:


If you create such an account (i do not say you have to ), you still have the 
possibility to only use it under 'special' circumstances.


Does that helpful hint warrant the kind of abuse you just delivered -- 
especially after he helped solve your problem?

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Add a bookmark to TOC

2020-08-02 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-08-02 07:06, User wrote:

Thanks Michael. I am sure there is a use for your method, but it is much
too complicated for my small requirement.


Actually, Dave, Michael's method (inserting an index mark in the Dedication 
paragraph) is the simplest and easiest way to accomplish what you want. Your 
case happens to be the *reason* for having TOC index marks.

Kind regards,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] defective field in header on one page

2020-08-02 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-08-02 07:24, Philip Jackson wrote:

On 01/08/2020 21:41, John Kaufmann wrote:

On 2020-08-01 12:24, Philip Jackson wrote:

I'm carrying out a minor rework on a book I wrote in Writer some 3 years' ago. 
The problem which is stumping me is that the field which displays the chapter 
name in the header of the right hand pages is missing on page 37.
...
Anything I do to reapply this field or edit the field in page 37 appears in all 
the other right hand page headers as well.

I can't see anything in the style spec of p37 that differs from any of the 
other right hand pages. I've tried deleting this page and reinserting but the 
problem gets inherited by the new page.


Did you try just clearing all direct (non-styled) formatting from that chapter 
name?


Yes - that was a very early attempt. It didn't change anything.


Hmm... when you go from p36 to p37 to p38, the Page style changes from LH to RH 
to LH? - any other style changes?

[FWIW: If it's not confidential, I would not mind to take a look and puzzle 
over it.]

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Add a bookmark to TOC

2020-08-01 Thread John Kaufmann

Hi Girvin,

On 2020-08-01 17:48, Girvin Herr wrote:

... here is another solution, manipulating the TOC format, which I use some
times:

1. Create a new style, say "Dedication", and assign this style to the
text you want hidden in the document body (i.e. the dedication
heading). You can then make the style hidden. This is under Font
Effects in the Paragraph Style window and at the bottom of the left
column.

Yes, I think that is close to what Luuk proposed, except that he hid
"Dedication:" by making the font color white rather than using the Hidden
attribute (prompting my question in that regard) ...

2. Edit the TOC, and assign the style "Dedication" to, say, Level 10.
To do this, under the Index/Table tab, check Additional Styles and
the ellipses button [...]. In the popup, select the Dedication style
on the left and then using the >> button, move it to level 10 on the
right and click OK.

... and here you have done what I would have done: make the "Dedication" style
explicitly part of the hierarchy. But Luuk (if I understood correctly) did not do that
(which is what prompted my other question to him).

3. Now under the Entries tab, select Level 10 and delete everything to
the left of the "T" in the Structure format line. Then in the text
block before the T, add "Dedication" (no quotes). This is needed
because hiding the text in the Dedication paragraph style propagates
to the Contents style in the TOC and it is hidden in the TOC as
well. This is a sledge hammer approach and the two texts need to
match, or maybe not, as you wish.

This may be the reason for using White font color rather than the Hidden
attribute...

4. Then under the Styles tab, select the Paragraph Style you want to
use for the Level 10 TOC line (do not select Dedication!), usually a
Contents style.

... and this is a standard part of TOC setup.

Thanks for explaining in such detail. As I said, I think it is close to what Luuk proposed, except that in
step 2 you do what I would do to establish the indexing reference (if using "Additional styles"
indexing), and I still don't see how Luuk did it. Did you see what Michael H proposed, using "Index
marks" rather than "Additional styles"? That seems the cleanest way to do this.

Kind regards,
John

Re: [libreoffice-users] Add a bookmark to TOC

2020-08-01 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Michael,

On 2020-08-01 16:12, Michael H wrote:

Instead of building the Table of contents by "paragraph style", create a
Index of type "Table of Contents" using "Index marks".

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CArlrl1zeQAWGxWrGVbxmtVdgNNNjmz9/view?usp=sharing> 
In the example I insert the mark after the first word (or number) of the

new chapter, to prevent it from getting moved or erased if someone later
works on vertical spacing with hard returns.

To create new hidden entries

1. Set the cursor to each location you want the TOC to point to. Then in
the Insert Menu - > Index and Table of Contents -> Index Entry
- Index type : Table of Contents
   - Entry : (text you want to appear on the TOC page)
   - level : if you want to style some entries differently set them to a
   different level, then assign the alternate style in the TOC setup.
   - Each time you click OK, you create an entry that matches the field
   values. If you have fields set to display you can see a light
grey block.
   - Extra entries may be deleted with the backspace or delete key as a
   character in the paragraph.


   2. Set the cursor to the point you want the TOC to appear. Create a
TOC as normal, but choose Index marks instead of 'Additional Styles.'


For creating the hidden "Dedication" reference target, I think your approach is 
the right one. However, it's also important to respect Dave's (OU) existing outline 
structure, so wouldn't it be better to built the TOC on a combination of structure (the 
usual default indexing basis) /plus/ index mark(s), rather than going to the extra effort 
of making index marks when there is an existing structure to the document?

Kind regards,
John

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[libreoffice-users] Date acceptance patterns and date/time fields

2020-07-31 Thread John Kaufmann

For many years my filing has used a kind of 'modified-ISO' 12-digit date/time
pattern: -MMDD-HHmm. Advantages are that it is compact, easily read, sorts
and is a valid filename string in all OS.

Writer has very flexible field formats, giving the option to format
Date fields as -MMDD, Time fields as HHmm, and either Date or Time fields
as -MMDD-HHmm -- so it has everything I want, with complete flexibility to
format as needed.

Calc appears to be not flexible, but seems to use strict ISO formatting
for Date (-MM-DD) and Time (HH:mm:ss) fields. /Within cells/, of course,
there is flexibility to format Date and Time as desired.

Draw also appears to be not flexible, but uses /different/ formatting
for Date (MM/DD/) and Time (HH:mm:ss AM|PM). This seems to be the worst of
all possible choices, because the formats are neither strict ISO nor as I would
like.

With that context, I have these questions:

(Q1) If I go to Tools - Options - Language Settings - Languages - Language Of -
Date acceptance patterns,
the field is populated with:
Y-M-D;M-D;M/D/Y;M/D
which are apparently associated with Language Settings - Languages - Language
Of - Locale setting. Is that correct?

(Q2) IAC, the "Date acceptance patterns" do not explain the Date or Time field behavior of either
Calc or Draw (although the "M/D/Y" option in that string may relate to Draw's
"(M)M/(D)D/YY" format).
Should the "Date acceptance patterns" affect the Calc or Draw field formats? If
not, what is the source of the Date and Time formats in those modules?

Moreover, if I try to add to the "acceptance patterns" (to add "-MMDD", and possibly
other formats), the field immediately turns red and will not accept additions. [BTW: If I try to enter the
new format in lowercase, LO crashes immediately, but that's a separate problem for which I will check the
bugs and file if needed.] So I can't try any additional formats to see the effect (if any) on Calc or Draw.
This raises two questions with regard to "Date acceptance patterns":

(Q3) How should this field behave when one attempts to add formats (as
the Help says one may)?
(Q4) Is there some comparable setting for Time formats?

John

Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Date - Special Characters - Scanning

2020-06-29 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-29 13:46, Philip Jackson wrote:

On 29/06/2020 18:07, charles meyer wrote:

Also, under special characters it lists the equal to or greater than symbol
but not the … not greater than symbol. What’s the number for that? ex. A235


The special characters listed are font dependent. For example, the symbol you 
are looking for is not shown under mathematical operators in the 'Liberation 
Serif' font but if you select 'Linux Biolinum O' font, you will see it listed 
as hexadecimal U+226F or decimal 8815       ≯

Of course, you may not have Biolinum on your machine, but check under the 
various fonts you do have.


Very nice, Philip. Do you know of a quick way to query which fonts in system 
include a particular character (that is short of manually testing each font)?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Inverting a whole column

2020-06-29 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-29 20:44, Brian Barker wrote:

At 16:11 29/06/2020 -0700, Mark Noname wrote:

 Some [financial institutions] do the deposits as positive and the debits 
as negative, and others do the reverse. Is there an easy way to multiply an 
entire column by -1 so I can make them all fit a uniform convention?


Of course.
...
Clever way:
o Enter -1 in a spare cell somewhere.
o Copy that value.
o Select the range of values to be negated.
o Go to Edit | Paste Special... (or Ctrl+Shift+V).
o In the Paste Special dialogue, under Operations, select Multiply.


Cute. I never knew about that, and now wonder when those Operations started.

Between this and Rémy Gauthier's suggestion to overcome a formatting issue with 
clever formatting, reading this thread has been rewarded by elegance.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Date - Special Characters - Scanning

2020-06-29 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-29 12:07, charles meyer wrote:

...
Lastly, I scanned (Using Prestol Manager on a Cannon scanner) a printed
page which contains Web site urls listed.

I exported that image into WordPad and saved as am .rtf file.

It opens in Libre Writer as if it’s a graphic image (with a box around all
the urls listed vertically but how can I use LW to extract each url so I
could paste each url (one by one) into Firefox for any browser to search
those Web sites.


Charles, are you familiar with scanning for optical character recognition 
(OCR)? [Your question suggests that you may not be.] I don't know what Canon 
scanner you used, and don't know Prestol Manager, but many scanners (especially 
modern multi-function printer/copiers) support OCR scanning natively; for 
others there are scan management tools to process the raster scan for OCR to 
various text file formats. You will have to find out about what tools you have. 
Then the text from your OCR output can be imported into LibreOffice Writer.

May I make another suggestion? You asked three unrelated questions in one 
email, which is not a formula for getting questions answered. You notice that 
Philip answered the first two of those questions in two separate replies. That 
is especially helpful if one of the questions has follow-on correspondence. I'm 
addressing the third question -- which is really not a LibreOffice question -- 
and appending this suggestion on how to get questions answered efficiently. One 
topic per message, with a succinct Subject line, will help you.

-john

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Insert Date - Special Characters - Scanning

2020-06-30 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-30 09:06, Philip Jackson wrote:

On 30/06/2020 03:36, John Kaufmann wrote:


... Do you know of a quick way to query which fonts in system include a 
particular character (that is short of manually testing each font)


... the short answer is, 'No.'   But on linux, I have Font Manager for GTK 
desktops and in that I can select the Manage function, select Mathematical 
Operators in the left hand column, click in the character panel until I find 
the square representing U+226F and then go down the list of fonts one by one.

Takes a bit of time but I never had reason to seek a faster or better way.


That sounds like more than enough. Thanks!

-john

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Insert Date - Special Characters - Scanning

2020-06-30 Thread John Kaufmann



On 2020-06-30 09:23, V Stuart Foote wrote:

...
... Do you know of a quick way to query which fonts in system
include a particular character (that is short of manually testing 
each font)?


For Windows users, the freeware BabelMap utility (Andrew West's BabelStone
project) is helpful. Do this lookup from its Fonts -> 'Font Coverage...'
dialog.

Project page is here: https://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html


Very nice. I did not know of BabelStone. Thanks!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Navigator position unstable [Was: Position of caption]

2020-07-07 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-07-07 17:54, Philip Jackson wrote:

On 07/07/2020 00:52, John Kaufmann wrote:



On occasions when I want the Styles and Navigator visible concurrently (that 
is, if the Style sidebar's own alternative Navigator function does not 
suffice), I leave Styles on the right sidebar and put the Navigator on the left 
sidebar. When both panels are on the right, any changes in the Styles control 
bar (say, from Styles to/from Page or Design or Properties), seems to cause 
shifting in the panel width and position (width never returns to a prior 
setting). IOW, I think the culprit is the Styles (F11) panel, not the Navigator 
(F5) panel.

Where do you like to leave the Navigator panel? Floating?


I like to have the Styles panel open full height on the right of the screen and 
use the little arrow to collapse when not wanted. I activate the navigator by 
using the F5 key and I like it docked full height next to the Styles sidebar. 
If I click to retract the Styles sidebar, the Navigator may or may not stay 
full height on the right. It sometimes retracts with the Styles sidebar and 
then when pulled out again, it has placed itself inside the Styles sidebar, 
limiting my view of the styles.


It sounds like our preferences are pretty similar: I used to keep both panels 
on the right until realizing that they don't dock well together. So it sounds 
like we're talking about the same unstable behavior ... though I never saw this:


Just occasionally the Navigator 'decides' to sit full width across the bottom 
of the screen.


That said, the bottom line is:

Not a mega problem, though.


Yes. There are more functional issues to worry about.

John

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[libreoffice-users] Understanding Character styles "Default Style" and relative font sizes

2020-07-09 Thread John Kaufmann


The root of the hierarchy of Paragraph styles, on which all Paragraph styles are based, is "Default 
Style".  There is also a /Character/ style "Default Style", which /cannot/ be either modified 
or chosen as the basis of other Character styles; its sole function seems to be, when invoked, to de-select 
any other character style, to the return the selected string to the character attributes specified in the 
Paragraph style governing the paragraph(s) housing that string. [That summary is a result of years of use as 
well as study of the Help (which is silent in this regard) and the Writer Guides from 2.0 to 6.0. If, after 
all that, I have missed something essential, I would welcome correction. OTOH, if a proposition so elementary 
to understanding Writer -- the meaning of the Character style "Default Style" -- is really this 
simple, I wish the documentation would be more explicit in this regard.]

A Paragraph style has attributes of paragraph structure and character style. 
[This fact, probably done for MS Word compatibility, is likely responsible for 
much if not most of the awkwardness of styles. When formatting directly from 
the main menu, one is sent directly to a character-only or 
paragraph-structure-only dialog box. It would be helpful/simpler if Paragraph 
and Character styles were that cleanly separated functionally.]  For paragraph 
structure, the Paragraph style has these tabs:
  *Indents & Spacing*
  *Tabs*

For both Paragraph styles and Character styles, the character attributes are 
grouped as:
  *Font*: Font (typeface), Style (attributes Bold and Italic) and Size 
(absolute or relative);
  *Font Effects*: Font Color, Text Decoration (various types of 
over/through/under lines), Effects (Case and Relief variations)
  *Position*: (Position (super/normal/sub script), Rotation (0~360), Scaling 
(%) Spacing (absolute), Kerning (on/off)
  *Highlighting* (character color background)

Both Paragraph and Character styles include a *Borders* tab, but this apparent 
commonality if misleading because the Border scopes are different: around the 
selected text string in the case of the Character style, around the 
paragraph(s) in the case of the Paragraph style.

In most cases the Paragraph and Character styles seem to coexist with the rules 
above -- essentially, that the Character style modifies the character 
attributes of the Paragraph style -- but something different happens with 
relative font size: the character size is some percentage, but of what? - 
apparently /not/ of the character size specified in the relevant Paragraph 
style, or even in the Paragraph Default Style.  All percentages seem to be 
based on a 12pt font, regardless of the font size specified in the Paragraph 
style.

Can someone tell me what is going on here? Is my understanding of the 
principles correct?

Also: can someone explain "text-to-text alignment" (Paragraph style Alignment 
tab)?

John





















But one problem (of several) with this understanding is that it doesn't really 
seem to work that way, either.  If a Character style modifies the character 
attributes of the Paragraph style,

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux users might find themselves paying money to use LibreOffice one day

2020-07-08 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-07-08 10:41, James Knott wrote:

I came across this article:

https://betanews.com/2020/07/06/libreoffice-money/


Umm... when you begin this way:


"... LibreOffice ... is actually quite good, although Microsoft's Office is far 
superior."


you lose all credibility. [FWIW, in my experience, LO is more capable than MSO.]

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Understanding Character styles "Default Style" and relative font sizes

2020-07-09 Thread John Kaufmann

Hi Robert,

Thanks so much for answering, but I think you misunderstood the question, which
is essentially about the behavior of *Character* styles, not Paragraph styles.
I'm sorry if that was not clear. To help correct, I will insert the proper
context in the snippet you quoted below, and begin by quoting a little more
from the original post, for what I hope will be adequate context:

In most cases the Paragraph and Character styles seem to coexist with the rules
above -- essentially, that the Character style modifies the character
attributes of the Paragraph style -- but something different happens with
relative font size: the character size is some percentage, but of what? -
apparently /not/ of the character size specified in the relevant Paragraph
style, or even in the Paragraph Default Style. All percentages seem to be
based on a 12pt font, regardless of the font size specified in the Paragraph
style.

With that fuller context, let's proceed:

On 2020-07-09 04:47, Robert Großkopf wrote:

All percentages [of the *Character* style] seem to be based on a 12pt
font, regardless of the font size specified in the Paragraph style.

12pt is the defined font size of the paragraph "Default Style". You have
to look in the style dialog in tab "Organizer" → "Inherit from". You
could change "Default Style" of the paragraph for changing the size for
all depending font sizes.

"Addressee" depends directly to the font size of "Default Style". So the
font size will be changed if the font size of "Default Style" has been
changed.

"Heading", for example, sets the inherits from Default Style. It is
overwritten there by font size 14pt. "Heading 1" is inherit from
"Heading". It takes this 14pt and will set it to 130%.

You see, all your examples were of the cascading of relative sizes within a
cascade of linked Paragraph styles: each child style modifies its direct parent
style. I thought the original post demonstrated that I understand how that
works, and was surprised only by how Character styles -- which apparently exist
to modify the character attributes of the Paragraph style -- differ in that
regard. As you have used examples to communicate the principle [just not the
principle I intended], let me do likewise:

Take the Character style "Emphasis". Change the font size from absolute (by default, 12pt) to relative (say,
150%). Apply that style to a string of text in some paragraph (say, Paragraph style "Text Body"). To what is
that 150% related? If you change the font size of the Paragraph style (say, increase "Text Body" from 12pt to
20pt), note that the size of the text in "Emphasis" /does not change/. So in what way does the Character
style modify the character attributes of the Paragraph style?

All is based on the default styles: Paragraphs for the whole paragraph
styles, fonts to the whole character styles.

I'm sorry, this part of your answer I did not understand. I /think/ you refer to the
hierarchical linking of attributes within Paragraph styles -- and Character styles may
similarly be hierarchically linked, but not based on the /Character/ style "Default
Style". All that, I knew, but it's possible you were saying something more. [I must
admit I had to think more about the significance of those 19 words than about the rest of
your reply, trying to determine if I was missing something.] So if you were saying
something more than I understood, would you please help me understand your intent?

Default character style only deletes all the changes of the character
styles you made in a special tab. For example the character style
"Emphasis": There is only set Font > Italic. You could only set it back
to "change nothing" by choosing in tab "Font" → "Standard".

Yes. I think I expressed it thus --

There is also a /Character/ style "Default Style", which /cannot/ be either
modified or chosen as the basis of other Character styles; its sole function seems to be,
when invoked, to de-select any other character style, to the return the selected string
to the character attributes specified in the Paragraph style governing the paragraph(s)
housing that string.

-- and that this function of the Character style "Default Style" (to remove any
other character style) is complemented by the ability you mention, to reset any other
Character style to adopt the attributes of the underlying Paragraph style. Again, about
that there is no question. [Though again, as I mentioned in the original post, so much of
that apparent complication stems from the decision to include character attributes in the
Paragraph styles, which I think is done for MS compatibility.]

Hope it helps. My English is a littel bit confusing for other people.

Uberhaupt nicht. Ich werde Ihre Geduld mit meinem Deutsch nicht missbrachen.
Ich schatze dass Sie meinem Muttersprache schreiben. Ich weiss den zusatlichen
Aufwand. Manchmal denke ich, dass jeder in seiner bekanntesten Sprache sprechen
und

Re: [libreoffice-users] Understanding Character styles "Default Style" and relative font sizes

2020-07-09 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Robert,

On 2020-07-09 04:58, Robert Großkopf wrote:

...
Also: can someone explain "text-to-text alignment" (Paragraph style
Alignment tab)?


Try this:
Write some Text with Default Style. Copy it for getting some paragraphs.
Now set the paragraph
Text to Text → Alignment → Top.
Mark a word in the paragraph and switch the size of this to 18pt.


Ah, so it's just for the question of alignment of different character sizes? I 
should have thought that would be easy to incorporate in the Help or Guide. 
[But then, the volunteers who provide such help can't think of everything. (If 
there is one simple change I would make to the Guide, though, it would be the 
elementary step of providing the PDF with bookmarks. The lack of bookmarks is 
such a disadvantage, and so easily overcome, that I download the ODT Guide and 
generate the PDF from that. I'm surprised that after giving so much effort on 
content, the Guide producers neglect such an important step.)]

Kind regards,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] disappearing graphic caused corruption in document in Writer

2020-07-09 Thread John Kaufmann

On 2020-07-09 11:53, Philip Jackson wrote:

Using LO 6.3.5.2 Writer

While I was having the recent difficulty with getting graphics to stick in a
template, I prepared a short document copy/pasting header and footer graphics
into a Writer document as I went along.

During this work, there was a moment when adjusting the position of a footer
graphic on the page, the graphic disappeared completely. I had no idea why or
where it had gone and just supposed I had slipped and clicked in a wrong place.

When the document was finished, I exported to pdf to check that the hyperlinks
in the footer graphics were working as they should. To my surprise, I found in
the pdf, right in the centre of a single page, an upside down hyperlink that
also worked ok. It was a text box from the graphic I had lost.

This corruption was not visible in the Writer odt document, only in the pdf.
Deleting the page only made the corruption appear on the next one. Being
invisible in Writer, I couldn't find any way to remove it.

If deleting a page "only made the corruption appear on the next" page; that suggest
corruption linked with header or footer. Did you try changing Page style (Insert > More Breaks
> Manual Break > Page Break, Style) before deleting the page with corruption?

Were the elements not at all visible in Navigator? Did you try examining in an
XML editor? (First save the file in FODT (Flat ODT) format or unzip the ODT
file to examine content.xml.)

John

Re: [libreoffice-users] Page number field in Writer

2020-07-09 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Regina,

On 2020-07-09 17:21, Regina Henschel wrote:

...
The tool "Offset" has a totally different use case. It is used in letter for 
the information in the footer, that this page of the letter has a following page. And for 
this use case it is the correct behavior, that it is empty for the last page of the 
letter.


I was fascinated by that. I never understood "Offset" [or several other 
properties of Document variables, for that matter], so went back to Writer Guide to see 
more about that, and found nothing.  Where can one find information at that level of 
detail?

Appreciatively,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Understanding Character styles "Default Style" and relative font sizes

2020-07-11 Thread John Kaufmann

Hi Mike,

On 2020-07-10 05:51, mikekaganski wrote:

(Sent from:
http://document-foundation-mail-archive.969070.n3.nabble.com/Users-f1639498.html)
...
What you see is clearly a bug. Even two.

First is a bug of character styles' relative size.

The relative size must evaluate first relative to its inheritance: i.e., if
the character style B (with a relative size) inherits from character style
A, then it needs to apply the relative size to the size defined in that
parent style A (if any). If the size in A is defined, and is absolute, then
the result is an absolute size independent from any paragraph settings;
e.g., if A defines 14 pt, and B defines 150%, then text styled B must be 14
pt * 150% = 21 pt. This case now works correctly.

Yes. No problem there.

But if A does not define a size; or if it also defines a relative size -
then the resulting character style as a whole defines a relative size (in
case A has 40%, and B has 150%, the resulting relative size is 40% * 150% =
60%). Then the multiplier must apply to the size defined in the text run's
superordinate. It might be another text run (the ODS defines that character
styles may nest - so this character style may be applied to some part of
text having another character style, and then the size of that superordinate
text run must be the base to which the multiplier must apply). Or it might
be the paragraph - and now the paragraph should define the base for applying
the percentage. And here we have the bug #1.

So I thought: The Paragraph style supplies the superordinate -- or, in the case
of nested Character styles within a paragraph, the Paragraph style as modified
by the longer-run Character style provides the superordinate for any additional
Character style applied to a subset of the longer run. So your understanding is
the same as mine: that the Character style /should/ modify the character
attributes of the Paragraph style -- or any subsequent superordinate. [More on
this later.]

Having confirmed that Writer does not, in fact, work that way, I suspected a
problem with my understanding, while you conclude that there is a bug (#1).
More and more I'm inclined to think you are right (because nothing else makes
sense to me). As I noted to Robert, his alternate theory of operation would
explain why my understanding does not work, but it also does not make sense.

Before filing a bug, I wanted to assure that I have understood correctly what
should happen -- and then, when we get it right, I would like to write it for
the Guide, to clarify a point that should be basic to the operation of Writer.
[However, precisely because this is so basic, I worry that a resolution may not
be a simple fix, and could take years to realize. More on this later.]

The other bug is that there's a possibility to define Default Paragraph
Style (or any paragraph style that doesn't inherit) to have a relative size.

How about Robert's suggestion: Tools → Options → LibreOffice Writer → Basic
Fonts ?

That *does* set an absolute size basis.

But that /seems/ to present another basic problem, which I infer is bothering you; it is this: Since everything (Paragraph
styles) descends from "Default Style", then Why have other style sizes {"Heading", "List",
"Caption", "Index"} on that page? I /think/ [again, this is my inference, not something I have seen], Basic
Fonts is intended just to provide an initial config, /to be discarded as soon as the user expresses a different intent/.

For example, "Heading" is based on "Text Body", which is based on "Default Style". Normally "Text Body" takes its font size (12pt) from "Default
Style", while (in a new document) "Heading" has a different size, taken from that Basic Fonts page. However, if you assign "Heading" a relative size (say, 150%), /then/ it
reverts to basing the 150% on "Text Body", /not/ the Basic Fonts page. So it goes from taking its size from the Basic Fonts page to taking its size from the inheritance rules (just as it
does if you hit the "Standard" button). But what is unique about "Default Style" among the styles listed in Basic Fonts, is that the user can never express that "different
intent" that invokes a different rule of inheritance, because the inheritance rule is moot for "Default Style". That, I think, is at the root of what bothers you here.

I wish it were not so, that inheritance rules change (if they must change at
all) without *explicit* choice of the user, but I think that is ultimately a
consequence of more basic style philosophy. [More on this later.]

IAC, all of this is just for *Paragraph* styles; as noted earlier in this
thread, *Character* styles follow different rules, which one discovers only
from experience -- and that is the problem: Lack of explicit clarity about
style inheritance rules is a weakness which can lead to bugs. [More on this
later.]

That [ability to specify a relative font size in Paragraph style
"Default Style"] is definitely a bug, since there's

Re: [libreoffice-users] Document hierarchy and Indexing [as applied to LO Guides]

2020-06-16 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Robert,

On 2020-06-16 03:38, Robert Großkopf wrote:

...
newbies will create all content in one document. So it is no problem to set

Level 1 ~ Heading 1
Level 2 ~ Heading 2
Level 3 ~ Heading 3

But if there are separate document for each chapter of a guide you
couldn't get a well formed Master Document for a guide. Heading 1 must
be there in Level 2 and the Title of the separate Documents must be in
Level 1.

Hope the global documents have been created the same way, as, for
example, the German Base Handbuch.


Thanks for that. I knew there must be something I was not seeing, and will 
consider the implications of Master Document construction. (Will post again 
when I have thought it through.)

In any case, though, shouldn't the same construction logic apply to all LO 
Guides?

Regards,
John

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[libreoffice-users] Document hierarchy and Indexing [as applied to LO Guides]

2020-06-16 Thread John Kaufmann


A confusing difference in presentation models between some LO Guides
 (Calc, GettingStarted) -- call these "Group A"
and others:
 (Base, Draw, Impress, Writer[*w*]) -- "Group B"
prompts:
(1) A look at the different ways the hierarchical styles are handled, 
and
(2) A question (concluding, below) about Writer's default styles.


(1) LO Guides hierarchical styles
=

All LO Guides use style "Title" for Chapter titles, but only group B assigns 
"Title" as Outline (hierarchy) Level 1, with subsequent Heading 1, etc, demoted from 
Writer's default; that is:
Level 1 ~ Title
Level 2 ~ Heading 1
Level 3 ~ Heading 2
Level 4 ~ Heading 3 [and also Heading 4 - a potential hazard]

Group A accepts Writer's default Outline (hierarchy) assignments:
Level 1 ~ Heading 1
Level 2 ~ Heading 2
Level 3 ~ Heading 3
...
with style "Title" having no Outline role, assigned to hierarchical value "Text 
body".

This means that, for group A, the Chapter titles /do not show up/ in the 
Navigator view or in PDF Bookmarks, which make navigating those documents 
tedious and somewhat bewildering.  OTOH, for group B, the Navigator view and 
corresponding PDF Bookmarks are fully hierarchical, making those documents much 
easier to navigate.

([*w*] The Writer Guide is a special case: while fully hierarchical and thus 
easy to navigate in theory, the bookmarks were not exported to the PDF file, 
and so there are no PDF Bookmarks - a shame, but easily fixable from the 
downloadable ODT file.)

However, group A and group B documents all have indexed Table of Contents 
(ToC). The difference between their constructions is:

  * Group A's ToC format is only two-level, using the option "Create from: 
Additional Styles", assigning:
- "Title" (which has Outline value "Text body") to level 1 and
- "Heading 1" (which has Outline value "Level 1") to level 2.
But because of:
- the lack of level 1 in PDF bookmarks,
- the lack of sub-levels in the ToC, and
- the constant shifting of hierarchy levels between ToC and PDF 
Bookmarks,
navigation of those documents is needlessly tiring and frustrating.

  * Group B's ToC, OTOH, goes as deep as the document itself, and matches the Navigator and PDF 
Bookmarks, because its ToC is indexed using the default "Create from: Outline" rather 
than "Create from: Additional styles". Navigating those documents is easy.

This analysis, such as it is, seems to point to a preference; I like easy and consistent. However, in this case, the ease and consistency of Group B 
come from /redefining Writer's default hierarchy style assignments/ for Levels 1..3 ("Heading 1", "Heading 2", "Header 
3") -- defaults which themselves provide a simple consistency -- in order to put style "Title" at Outline Level 1. Moreover, that 
approach does those hierarchy reassignments by disconnecting those styles from their normal "Heading" root style, and leaving both 
"Header 3" and "Header 4" at Outline Level 4. So I'm not convinced that Group B's solution is a good answer, either.

Obviously the "easy" answer is to merge the approach of Group A (keeping Writer's style defaults) and Group B 
(keeping Writer's indexing defaults) by the simple expedient of using style "Heading 1" (rather than 
"Title") for Chapter titles, "Heading 2" and so on for hierarchical sub-headings. Then the ToC is 
simple, the Navigator is happy, and PDF Bookmarks are complete -- all by simply following the defaults. But LO's own 
Guides chose a different approach (well, two different approaches), and I'm not sure that I'm qualified to critique 
either of those alternatives. That leads to:


(2) A question about Writer's default styles


A newbie to Writer's styles [we all were, once] is likely to appreciate the simplicity of the sequence "Heading 1" .. 
"Heading 10" (all based on style "Heading" (which itself has no hierarchy value)) for organizing documents. 
That approach provides such simple clarity that, even when making custom hierarchical styles, one is inclined to follow that same 
model. The same newbie, though, might then wonder, What is the point of styles "Title" and "Subtitle" in a 
structured document?

It seems clear that the ToC indexing exception for "Create from: Additional styles" (rather than 
"Create from: Outline") was made to accommodate just such situations as using "Title" for 
Level 1 -- but why?  After using OO, then LO, for years, I had almost forgotten those newbie questions [made 
all the more awkward by the fact that the GettingStarted and Writer Guides lack PDF Bookmarks], but a recent 
return to the Guides forced me to recall those early questions... and realize I still lack good answers.

Is this a case of developers responding to feature requests run amok (perhaps

[libreoffice-users] Base/HSQL table with more than two dimensions?

2020-06-24 Thread John Kaufmann


A lectionary is an ordered set of readings, typically using a cycle of three or 
more years, to cover the Bible. In a four-year cycle the years are simply 
designated {A,B,C,D}, and for each day in a year readings are prescribed from 
different parts of the Bible. For any year, storing the readings in a database 
table is straightforward in two dimensions [fields (readings) x records 
(days)], and it is simple to SELECT the set of readings (usually from four 
different fields) for any day.

Obviously it is possible to do this in one table per year (say, four tables for 
four years), but since the pattern of records and fields is the same for all 
years, that is clumsy and should be unnecessary. It should be possible to do a 
table of three dimensions, of which the third dimension is the year {A,B,C,D} 
in the cycle, so that one could compare the readings for any given day across 
all years. But I don't see how to extend tables into three (as in this case) or 
more dimensions. Can someone point me in the right direction?  [It seems like 
this kind of database design issue should be common to a lot of domains.]

Thanks,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base/HSQL table with more than two dimensions?

2020-06-24 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-24 06:39, Dave Howorth wrote:



... It should be possible to do a table of three dimensions, of
which the third dimension is the year {A,B,C,D} in the cycle, so
that one could compare the readings for any given day across all
years. But I don't see how to extend tables into three (as in this
case) or more dimensions. Can someone point me in the right
direction?  [It seems like this kind of database design issue
should be common to a lot of domains.]


Every extra field added to a record creates another dimension in data
space. So you just need to add a column called, say, year that can take
each of the values 'A', 'B', 'C' or 'D' and then add that field to your
SELECT statement.


Oh, of course: an extra column for each extra dimension.  Thanks, Dave.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base/HSQL table with more than two dimensions?

2020-06-24 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-24 08:40, Dan Lewis wrote:
 

A lectionary is an ordered set of readings, typically using a cycle of three or 
more years, to cover the Bible. In a four-year cycle the years are simply 
designated {A,B,C,D}, and for each day in a year readings are prescribed from 
different parts of the Bible. For any year, storing the readings in a database 
table is straightforward in two dimensions [fields (readings) x records 
(days)], and it is simple to SELECT the set of readings (usually from four 
different fields) for any day.

Obviously it is possible to do this in one table per year (say, four tables for 
four years), but since the pattern of records and fields is the same for all 
years, that is clumsy and should be unnecessary. It should be possible to do a 
table of three dimensions, of which the third dimension is the year {A,B,C,D} 
in the cycle, so that one could compare the readings for any given day across 
all years. But I don't see how to extend tables into three (as in this case) or 
more dimensions. Can someone point me in the right direction?  [It seems like 
this kind of database design issue should be common to a lot of domains.]


What I see, you are talking about three tables which contain data: readings, 
days, and years. A fourth table should be created containing three foreign keys 
for these three tables. What you need for this data is a relational database 
which Base can create. Just make sure you normalize these tables. You might 
want to read up on relational databases to see how to do this.


Actually, Dan, it's not that ambitious: the table contains not the readings, 
but a set of indices (keys) to the readings, one index/key per column (with 
each column/field drawn from a particular set of books of the Bible). Each 
row/record is for one day, and the day also modified by the year in the cycle 
of readings. That's why Dave Howorth's answer was right: just add one column 
for every added dimension (in this case, that added dimension being the year in 
the cycle).

The main reason it does not make sense to go further is a procedural one that 
predates [you think? ;-)] computer generation of these things. The lectionary 
bounds the list of readings by day, but does not necessarily determine it; 
often a choice will be offered, and a person must make that choice.

Then that reduced/approved set is used to fetch (with some string processing) 
the actual readings for print. Where there is a choice, the full set could also 
be used to fetch the optional readings to assist the person making the choice, 
but that gets into how much you want to impose computerized methods on a person 
who is not (yet, at least) so inclined. [No project is without non-technical 
constraints, which is fine; the purpose is to help with a solution, not impose 
one.]  On the whole, this project has much that is relational (~20 completely 
normalized (third form) tables, relationally connected). It's just not 
particularly relational in this function.

I appreciate your thinking about it,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Bullets indentation

2020-06-10 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-10 09:32, sundaresh wrote:

Pardon me, but none of those options/buttons indent up indent down etc work.
The indentation does not take place at all. I have Libre-Office 6.4
installed. I have taught Microsoft office and even programming in Office,
and even developed small applications for big companies, but Libre Office
when I started using it was fine, but now none of those options actually
work. I tried changing the setting manually for bullets and paragraph and
stuff, and  the work-around worked for some time and wrestled with it for
over a year but then even such a simple thing does not work anymore.


Please: Is there a question someone might answer?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Default folder for PDF export

2020-06-06 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-06 19:12, Pat Brown wrote:


Currently, if I select Export as PDF, the default folder is my "documents"
folder on the C: drive. This is annoying as I keep having to change it to
the folder I need. Is there any way to set it up so that it automatically
selects the last folder used?


I find that a PDF destination defaults to the same place used for the source 
ODF (ODT or other) document.
Are you saving the source document to that folder?

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[libreoffice-users] Style-dependent variables?

2020-06-07 Thread John Kaufmann


I'm building a fairly complex document -- mostly in Writer, with one Calc and a 
number of Writer subdocuments, and using Base (for now) to manage tables that 
supply lists in the master document. There are a lot of alternative sections 
and conditional text, most controlled by a number of variables I defined and 
maintain in hidden fields in the master document. It works decently, but I see 
that some aspects could be simplified with system variables (if they exist) 
rather than user-defined variables.

Here is an example: Can text on a page be made dependent on the style (that is, 
presumably, the style name) of that page? If it is not a built in system 
variable, how might I query a style name (or even a style definition)?

A second problem at this stage of development is how to give someone else easy 
access to control/modify the variables in those hidden fields.  I've looked at 
appropriate form controls but don't see how to link a control to a variable in 
the document. Can someone point me in the right direction for that?

Thanks,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing 18 labels per sheet on Avery A4 sheet L7161

2020-06-08 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-08 11:54, Budge wrote:

Two questions please.

[1] I am using Avery A4 L7161 adhesive labels and have opened using the 
new>label option which gives me the grid in which to type the text.  Having 
selected font and size I find the print is too close to the edge of the label.  
How may I adjust the margin between the first line of text and the actual label 
edge.  I think the word is kerning and I need to move the text a fraction of the 
line down on the paper?


On the Labels Format tab, can you not just increase the Top margin by, say, a 
millimeter?
[BTW: I don't think the word you want is kerning, which refers to a spacing 
relationship between characters.]



[2] Once I have typed one label and edited it to suit, is there a quick way to 
copy the one label to all the labels on the the whole sheet?


I don't know how easily that is done with LO's Labels function, which is 
optimized for merging addresses from a database.  Probably someone who uses 
labels a lot can chime in on that, but I would probably be inclined to just 
format a page with margins of 7.2mm (L/R) and 8.8mm(T/B) and then make a 3col x 
6 row table full-width (66.0mm columns), with row heights 46.5mm.  That would 
give you easy access to all labels as table cells, so you could just 
copy-and-paste quickly.

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[libreoffice-users] What is different about Character styles "%" attribute?

2020-06-04 Thread John Kaufmann

Though I resent the inevitable complications caused by the MS-workalike
practice of Paragraph styles containing Font specifications, I had always
thought of Character styles as a way to at least mitigate the problem, by
defining attributes with respect to the Paragraph style to which they are
applied. As the LibreOffice Writer 6.0 Guide puts it on page 204:

Character styles provide exceptions to the formatting in a paragraph style.
They are applied to groups of characters, rather than whole paragraphs. They
are mainly used when you want to change the appearance or attributes of parts
of a paragraph without affecting other parts. ...

One key (as I understand it) is in the phrase "provide exceptions".
"Exceptions" can be attributes that either:
(1) modify the Paragraph style's Font specification (like bold or
italic), or
(2) replace the Paragraph style's Font specification (like a new Font
specification).

Unfortunately, (1) and (2) are semantically inconsistent (a necessary
consequence of Paragraph styles containing Font specifications), and
inconsistent with respect to font design because so many font families contain
bold and italic variants that are separate font faces. But the designers have
done a good job of allowing users to ignore those fine points...

... right up to the problem of the Font tab's "Size /%" attribute. By specifying a
%-size, it appears to modify, rather than replace, the Paragraph style's Font specification. Except that it
does not: % modifies some other fixed font size not in the Paragraph style (and specifying
"100%" will always revert to a fixed size).

So, for example, in a Character style that specifies two attributes -- like adding /Italic/
and making a relative size change (like 90%) -- the /Italic/ modifies the Paragraph Font,
but the % modifies something else. This means that if I go back to the
Paragraph style and modify the base Font face, then part of the Character style (/Italic/)
will immediately reflect the new font face, and part (%) will not.

Put another way: the Paragraph style is the parent for only part of the Character style;
something else is the parent for the %-size attribute. One solution appears to be to create
a tree of Character styles with a complete Font specification at the root style; then every
other Character style based on that root can modify with the % attribute.
Unfortunately, that only seems to work until the document is saved, then reopened -- and
then the % attribute (and /only that/ attribute) is no longer attached to the
base Character style, but reverts to modifying some other fixed font size. Is there a
clean way to handle this?

[Note: While researching this problem, I found a great discussion

between ajlittoz and Regina Henschel on this from four years ago. It was [closed] with an answer but no
clean resolution. As I read the spec
(
or earlier

-- there is no change in this regard), the question is just which entity is the "parent" of the
attribute -- and I don't understand why different attributes of a Character style have different parents.]

John

Re: [libreoffice-users] Edit contour not working

2020-06-11 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-11 00:06, John Jason Jordan wrote:

...
I have a graphic on a page in Writer. The graphic is about 4cm wide and
about 10cm high, so I have aligned it left and set contour to wrap
right so that the text will flow down on the right of the graphic. This
works, but the text is smashed into the side of the graphic. To fix
this I tried Wrap > Edit Contour. ...


If this is a simple rectangle (4x10), what happens when you just uncheck 
"Contour" and set Spacing:Right to whatever you want?
(To begin, ignore Left, Top, Bottom, or just set them to 0.)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Edit contour not working

2020-06-11 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-06-11 17:32, John Jason Jordan wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:31:39 +0100
Brian Barker  dijo:


At 21:06 10/06/2020 -0700, John Jason Jordan wrote:

I have a graphic on a page in Writer. [...] I have aligned it left
and set contour to wrap right so that the text will flow down on the
right of the graphic. This works, but the text is smashed into the
side of the graphic.


If you go to the Wrap tab of the Image dialogue (Format | Image |
Properties | Wrap or right-click | Properties | Wrap), do you not see
Spacing? Increase Right to some suitable positive value.


Aha! A completely different way to solve the problem. The Edit Contour
option still does not work - can't select or do anything. But this
solution worked, and probably a lot easier than trying to edit the
contour. I had the Properties window open numerous times, but
completely missed the Wrap tab.


:-) Maybe the fact that it seems to be "a completely different way" is a 
problem: Actually, what Brian said was what I meant:

...
I have a graphic on a page in Writer. The graphic is about 4cm wide
and about 10cm high, so I have aligned it left and set contour to
wrap right so that the text will flow down on the right of the
graphic. This works, but the text is smashed into the side of the
graphic. To fix this I tried Wrap > Edit Contour. ...


If this is a simple rectangle (4x10), what happens when you just
uncheck "Contour" and set Spacing:Right to whatever you want? (To
begin, ignore Left, Top, Bottom, or just set them to 0.)


Brian's gift [I have long admired his gift for simple clarity] was to realize 
that you were not looking at the Image Properties dialog box, and point you to 
it, and from there to the Wrap tab. My mistake was to assume you were already 
there, and just needed to forget about the Contour. It strikes me as a defect 
to be corrected, that two entry points bring you to different ways, with 
different capabilities, to set the wrap characteristics. I will star this 
thread to tag for a bug report.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing 18 labels per sheet on Avery A4 sheet L7161

2020-06-08 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Alan,

No, I was not trying to do that -- Budge [the OP] was -- but I did not know how 
to answer that part of his post (never did it before). So simple; I'm 
embarrassed I did not know, but am happy to know it now. Sweet.

Thanks,
John

On 2020-06-08 19:33, Alan B wrote:

Hello John,

re: [2] same label for all labels on page with other than the default
formatting applied to all labels

#1 File > New > Labels
#2 Labels dialog, Labels tab --
   -- Label text field : enter desired label text
   -- Brand: Avery A4, Type: L7161 Address
#3 Click "New Document" button, label text field is repeated for all labels
on page
#4 Right-click in text of first label, select Styles > Edit Style...
#5 modify style as desired and click "Apply" button

All labels now have the same style applied to the text.

Is that what you are trying to do?




On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 5:13 PM John Kaufmann wrote:


On 2020-06-08 11:54, Budge wrote:

Two questions please.

[1] I am using Avery A4 L7161 adhesive labels and have opened using the

new>label option which gives me the grid in which to type the text.  Having
selected font and size I find the print is too close to the edge of the
label.  How may I adjust the margin between the first line of text and the
actual label edge.  I think the word is kerning and I need to move the text
a fraction of the line down on the paper?

On the Labels Format tab, can you not just increase the Top margin by,
say, a millimeter?
[BTW: I don't think the word you want is kerning, which refers to a
spacing relationship between characters.]



[2] Once I have typed one label and edited it to suit, is there a quick

way to copy the one label to all the labels on the the whole sheet?

I don't know how easily that is done with LO's Labels function, which is
optimized for merging addresses from a database.  Probably someone who uses
labels a lot can chime in on that, but I would probably be inclined to just
format a page with margins of 7.2mm (L/R) and 8.8mm(T/B) and then make a
3col x 6 row table full-width (66.0mm columns), with row heights 46.5mm.
That would give you easy access to all labels as table cells, so you could
just copy-and-paste quickly.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Multiple newlines

2020-07-20 Thread John Kaufmann

Hi Brian,

Thanks for introducing a fundamental concept that my brain had not yet grasped.
As for the details:

On 2020-07-20 18:49, Brian Barker wrote:

At 16:38 20/07/2020 -0400, John Kaufmann wrote:

Documents archived in Project Gutenberg are typically simple text, with each line ending in
(Hex:0D0A), so that paragraphs are separated by an empty line . I thought
it would be simple to convert one such (5657.txt) to format in Writer, ...
... but stumbled on elementary problems in Find-&-Replace [Ctrl-H] using
regular expressions:
(1) "\n" is not found. Should not "\n" match one of the codes in ? [If not, what
code(s) should "\n" match?]

First, once you have your text in a word processor, you do not have or or or anything else like that
in your text; instead you have *paragraph breaks*. There is no character there, despite the pilcrow that you can get Writer to display. And
what you are calling "empty lines" are actually empty paragraphs. "\n" in the "Search for" field matches line
breaks, not paragraph breaks. (And line beaks are line breaks - also no "codes".)

You sent me to do something I should have done before asking the question: examine a hex dump of an ODT
content.xml file. I see what you mean about "no codes": A paragraph is just a text string
between XML bounds and , and a line break (inside the paragraph bounds)
is just . Sorry; I should have done that sooner, rather than rely on a different
paradigm that once worked for me.

(2) Although "$" is found (matches to ), ...

No, "$" does not match anything; instead, it anchors the expression before it to the end
of a paragraph. So an expression ending with "$" will match text only if it comes at the
end of its paragraph.

... "$$" (for successive occurrences of ) is not found. Why?

"$$" has no sense. If anything it means "this pattern needs to match something that
is *really, really* at the end of a paragraph"!

:-)! Given what I learned after your answer on (1), this (2) is obvious.

(3) Doing Find "$" & Replace with " " (single space), is replaced by " " (single space). However, doing Find
"$" & Replace with "@" (single @char), is replaced by "@@" (double @char). Why?

I don't think that's true. In any case, there are no s present.

You're right. Examining again, I note that the "@@" was a remnant of a prior attempt to replace the
of the original text file with "@@" (prior to replacing all other with
" "). A faulty mental model led to a bad approach and a misreading of the result.

To achieve what you want:

First combine single-line paragraphs:
o Apply Default paragraph style to all the text.
o Select all the text.
o Apply AutoCorrect.
(You may need to adjust the minimum length of such paragraphs in AutoCorrect
Options - possibly to 0%.)

Thank you! - that is not obvious (and I had not found it in the Help or the Writer Guide), but was worth the price of having this problem arise. AutoCorrect had the effect of
changing most non-empty "Default Style" paragraphs to "Text Body" style, with the rest chosen [by spacing hints?] to be "Hanging Indent",
"Heading", "Heading 1", "List", "List 1", "Numbering 2" or "Text Body Indent". (Empty paragraphs remained "Default
Style".) That was a MUCH more elaborate and sophisticated AutoCorrect than I ever would have imagined.

Now I understand the point of AutoCorrect Option "Combine single line paragraphs if length
greater than 50%". But how do you "adjust the minimum length of such paragraphs in
AutoCorrect Options - possibly to 0%"? (The fact that I don't find the setting suggests that I
may have also missed something basic in your explanation.)

Note: Even after having this excellent explanation on a use of AutoCorrect, I
went back to the Writer Guide and still don't find it. So it may take quite
some time to learn enough of such subtleties to feel that I have a solid grasp.

Then remove empty paragraphs:
o Search for "^$" (no quotes) and replace with nothing.
("^" anchors your pattern to the start of a paragraph and "$" to the end. So
"^$" matches a paragraph with nothing in it.)

Again I like your pedagogical approach, matching the action with the reasoning.
You should be a teacher.

I trust this helps.

Helps?! It was an education. (If you could just answer the follow-up question
on AutoCorrect Options...)

Thanks again,
John

Re: [libreoffice-users] Multiple newlines

2020-07-21 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-07-21 08:57, Philip Jackson wrote:

On 21/07/2020 07:16, John Kaufmann wrote:


Now I understand the point of AutoCorrect Option "Combine single line paragraphs if length 
greater than 50%". But how do you "adjust the minimum length of such paragraphs in 
AutoCorrect Options - possibly to 0%"? (The fact that I don't find the setting suggests that I 
may have also missed something basic in your explanation.)


In the autocorrect options, highlight the option to combine single line 
paragraphs greater than 50% and then tap the edit button just underneath. There 
you can adjust your 50%.


Ah! - so many little Easter eggs for the observant.
Thanks, Philip!

-john

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Multiple newlines

2020-07-21 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-07-21 09:09, Michael H wrote:

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:18 AM John Kaufmann wrote:
...

You sent me to do something I should have done before asking the question:
examine a hex dump of an ODT content.xml file.  I see what you mean about
"no codes": A paragraph is just a text string between XML bounds  and , and a line break (inside the paragraph bounds) is just
. Sorry; I should have done that sooner, rather than rely
on a different paradigm that once worked for me.


Much simpler than using a hex editor:

1. rename the .odt to .zip and use a zip archive manager.  you want to look
in content.xml

2. save the file as an .fodt (its the same file in open text.) view that
with a plain text editor. This works great unless you have a lot of images
in it. textified images are too much of a good thing.


That is in essence what I did: look at a presentation of the file codes, using 
a text editor with hex sidebar. Thanks, Michael.

-john   



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[libreoffice-users] Navigator position unstable [Was: Position of caption]

2020-07-06 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2020-07-02 10:22, Philip Jackson wrote:

On the original caption question, it's too bad that John Jason Jordan did not 
respond to your suggestion,


... the only time I cannot access the caption is when the frame which envelopes 
the image and the caption is highlighted with its little handles showing. I 
then click anywhere in the text of the document away from the image to deselect 
that frame, then I can just drop the cursor onto the caption text and edit it 
or remove it completely. If the image itself is selected as distinct from the 
enclosing frame, then I can also place the cursor on the caption and work on it.


Because we can never really know exactly the full context of a problem, I would 
love to know if something that elementary affects his problem.

That said, I concluded that if you and Rémy could not solve the caption 
problem, my poor efforts would not be likely to help, but I was most intrigued 
by this --


[My current unpredictable behaviour problem concerns the Navigator. It stays 
where I put it for quite a while then without notice, it suddenly docks itself 
within the styles side-bar or across the bottom of the screen. -- There's 
always something ...]


-- intrigued enough to adapt the Subject line accordingly. I have never seen 
exactly that behavior, though I have seen something similar:

On occasions when I want the Styles and Navigator visible concurrently (that 
is, if the Style sidebar's own alternative Navigator function does not 
suffice), I leave Styles on the right sidebar and put the Navigator on the left 
sidebar. When both panels are on the right, any changes in the Styles control 
bar (say, from Styles to/from Page or Design or Properties), seems to cause 
shifting in the panel width and position (width never returns to a prior 
setting). IOW, I think the culprit is the Styles (F11) panel, not the Navigator 
(F5) panel.

Where do you like to leave the Navigator panel? Floating?

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] finding duplicates in a column in Calc

2020-11-13 Thread John Kaufmann


Strange that it wasn't mentioned in the Calc online help.


Though it /is/ in Calc Guide CG62. (I have not checked for Calc 7, but presume 
it will be there.) There are other examples of things missing from both the 
Guides and Help documentation. It is a reminder to us that FOSS documentation, 
like other common-good endeavors, is written by people - in this case, 
volunteers - with limited time, and that those volunteers could use some help. 
Some of that help is provided operationally by good people contributing to good 
resources like this list and askbot, but it would be nice if every incidence of 
missing info were noted and led to ameleorative action.

Bugzilla tries to serve that function for the software. Those who do 
documentation may have something akin to an informal Doczilla or Helpzilla for 
this purpose but, if so, formalizing it (if doing so would not add to the 
burden on volunteers) might widen and deepen its impact.

John


On 2020-11-13 09:20, Philip Jackson wrote:

Thank you, Rémy.
This is the solution I was hoping for. It works without requiring a prior data 
sort.

I have previously used conditional formatting for other reasons but hadn't 
noticed the 'duplicate' option therein. Strange that it wasn't mentioned in the 
Calc online help.

Philip

On 12/11/2020 17:06, Remy Gauthier wrote:

Hello.
You can highlight the column and select Format > Conditional >
Condition > [Cell Value] [is duplicate] (from the drop downs) and
select a style to apply (Warning is probably a good one). This will set
all duplicate entries in that style (if you selected Warning, the text
will be red).

You can also remove duplicates with Data > More Filters > Standard
Filters; if your data is in column A, for example, then you go [Column
A] [=] [Not Empty] (from the drop downs), and then in the options: No
duplications, Copy results to [A cell address].

I hope this helps.
Rémy.

Le jeudi 12 novembre 2020 à 14:55 +0100, Philip Jackson a écrit :

I sometimes import a load of data into a column and am looking for a way to 
detect duplicates. The data is mostly alpha but could contain some digits.

At present, I sort the data in the column alphabetically and then manually 
inspect for duplicates. But with some data, I don't want to do an alpha sort.

I don't find any way in Calc's menus to do this and the online help gives 
nothing for 'duplicates'. Maybe someone has an idea of a regex that could be 
used ?



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[libreoffice-users] If-exist condition for conditional text or section

2021-01-01 Thread John Kaufmann


WordPerfect has a very useful condition for conditional text that must be 
possible in Writer, but I have not figured out how to implement: How to hide a 
block or section of text (or frame/figure/table/etc) unless one or more 
instances of a class (to which that text pertains) exist. Is there a way of 
expressing the condition
 "If: a field {IS|IS NOT} BLANK"
that can be used in the condition to hide or expose relevant text?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fit last column in spreadsheet to print

2021-01-10 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-01-10 18:07, Alan B wrote:

...
Your initial question was "...see how I can fit the last column in to print
on  8/12 x 11..." which to me is equivalent to "fit all columns on a single
sheet". So the answer is to set the page width of the printout to one sheet
wide.


? Sorry, but I don't follow: What does it mean for a spreadsheet to print one 
sheet wide?
(especially in an environment where a sheet could be a million columns wide)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fit last column in spreadsheet to print

2021-01-10 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-01-11 00:45, Brian Barker wrote:

At 00:21 11/01/2021 -0500, John Kaufmann wrote:

Sorry, but I don't follow: What does it mean for a spreadsheet to print one 
sheet wide?


See "Printing options for page styles" in Chapter 6, "Printing, Exporting, 
E-mailing, and Signing" of the Calc Guide.

o Go to Format | Page... | Sheet | Scale.
o Set "Scaling mode" to "Fit print range(s) to width/height" and "Width in 
pages" to 1.


Very nice! I had overlooked that. Thanks, Brian.
 

... (especially in an environment where a sheet could be a million columns wide)


... (Er, sorry, but maximum columns per sheet is 1024.)


I did exaggerate, didn't I? 10^6 high, but only 10^3 (AMJ) wide. I should have 
checked.


I trust this helps.


You bet. Thanks again,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fit last column in spreadsheet to print

2021-01-10 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-01-11 01:14, John Kaufmann wrote:

On 2021-01-11 00:45, Brian Barker wrote:

At 00:21 11/01/2021 -0500, John Kaufmann wrote:

Sorry, but I don't follow: What does it mean for a spreadsheet to print one 
sheet wide?


See "Printing options for page styles" in Chapter 6, "Printing, Exporting, 
E-mailing, and Signing" of the Calc Guide.

o Go to Format | Page... | Sheet | Scale.
o Set "Scaling mode" to "Fit print range(s) to width/height" and "Width in 
pages" to 1.


Very nice! I had overlooked that. Thanks, Brian.


... (especially in an environment where a sheet could be a million columns wide)


... (Er, sorry, but maximum columns per sheet is 1024.)


I did exaggerate, didn't I? 10^6 high, but only 10^3 (AMJ) wide. I should have 
checked.


Um, sorry: That should be 2^20 high by 2^10 (AMJ) wide.
[That was sloppy.]

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[libreoffice-users] LO help communities

2021-01-21 Thread John Kaufmann

This is a meta-question about help for LibreOffice questions.

(1) LibreOffice has a comprehensive array of mailing lists
@global.libreoffice.org, each of which
seems to be reflected and archived in Nabble
.
(This list is one of those lists.) That combination is a
wonderful resource.

In addition to global lists @global.libreoffice.org (all in English), there
are dozens of local/regional/national lists @.libreoffice.org, which vary
in scope and quality and lack the Nabble archive.

Finally, there are global lists @documentfoundation.org, and a set of
development and QA lists at freedesktop.org. These are all beyond the scope of
my question here.

(2) There is another great resource, the AskLibO system
. It is less comprehensive in scope than the mailing
list system @global.libreoffice.org, essentially covering the scope of this users list. It
does so in 15 languages, but English has by far the most traffic, so is roughly equivalent
to this list .

(a) With that context, here is my question, essentially comparing the communities in the
mailing list and the AskLibO forum
: There are some really thoughtful people in both
communities, but [with notable exceptions] most do not seem to mix from one to the other,
though both communities cover the same scope of questions. It makes sense that people are
not active in both places: there are limited hours in the day. But I'm never sure where is
the best place to ask a use question, and at the same time would like to pay back something
in the form of information to whichever community I use. How do others handle that issue?

(b) Having asked that question, I offer my own (incomplete) take on it: Because
time is limited, a mailing list (or newsgroup) has an inherent push advantage
over a web forum; you don't have to check into the forum to see questions.
That's why AskLibO pushes a daily list of questions by mail, and you then
follow the links in the mail. OTOH, the web forum is its own archive, which has
advantages. Am I missing anything in the advantages of each?

(c) Having said that AskLibO pushes a daily list of questions/links, there is
one additional fillip: When you contribute an answer to a question, you become
part of a mailing list group for that question. When there is an update due to
one or more new contributions, you get mail with a digest of the issue and a
link to return to the question page -- which seems fair enough, except that the
digest can contain comments that never make it onto the question page! So you
can have someone answer a follow-up question or comment in the mailed digest,
but only the answer, and not the question, is recorded on the question page!
The result can be disorienting (hard to follow the thread), and of course gives
an incomplete record of the discussion. Unfortunately, I don't even know who or
how to ask about that (including how user comments or questions even get into
the digest if they are not on the page!) in AskLibO. If anyone knows how that
works, I would love some direction.

John

Re: [libreoffice-users] LO help communities

2021-01-22 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-01-21 06:37, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 03:17:38 -0500 John Kaufmann wrote:


This is a meta-question about help for LibreOffice questions.

(1) LibreOffice has a comprehensive array of mailing lists
...
(2) There is another great resource, the AskLibO system
<https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/>.
...
... There are some really thoughtful people in both communities,
but [with notable exceptions] most do not seem to mix from one to
the other, though both communities cover the same scope of
questions. It makes sense that people are not active in both
places: there are limited hours in the day. But I'm never sure
where is the best place to ask a use question, and at the same time
would like to pay back something in the form of information to
whichever community I use. How do others handle that issue?


I can only speak for myself, although I suspect others also think
similarly. I prefer the medium of mailing lists to that of forums in
general. It may be to do with previous experience and age in general.
So I use mailing lists whenever they are available, and forums only if
I must. Hence I subscribe to this list, and ask questions here when I
need to and otherwise use a search engine to find relevant pages on the
web, which might include hits on the forums.


That's certainly my inclination (likely for the same reasons) -- though both 
communities are so valuable that it almost seems that each deprives the other 
of excellent resources. Also, it's telling that it seemed easier to ask this 
meta-question in this mailing list rather than on the AskLibO forum. However, I 
guess the follow-on question, about the discrepancies between AskLibO's 
web-based questions and emailed question digests, will have to be put in that 
forum.

As I try to think about how to make best use of these resources, Thanks for 
your reply,
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] If-exist condition for conditional text or section

2021-01-01 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Michael,

Sorry, I should have given an example:
Suppose there is a daily or weekly report, which includes a database query of 
birthday(s) for that report period. If so, the birthday-relevant text or table 
is included, with the specific birthdays; otherwise, no such text or table.

So the generalization is that you have a class -- say, birthdays -- and the 
test is whether you have any instances of that class for the period (or other 
domain) of interest. Writer makes it easy to conditionally hide or reveal a 
section of text, but not (AFAIK) to include as a condition whether a field is 
instantiated or empty.

The example you give is extremely interesting. I would not have thought of it, 
if only because it requires coordination of Calc and Writer [which I have not 
thought about how to do].  But the biggest essential difference is one that you 
identify -- keeping the 'conditions' outside the document itself -- where my 
initial premise was (and I think remains) to use Writer's conditional-text 
features within the Writer document.

Your example is a great one to study (and to think about how you coordinate 
Calc and Writer), but I think that Writer alone can do this job [as WordPerfect 
does] if there is a way to implement the condition that a field is either empty 
or filled/instantiated.  Moreover, that approach (rather than keeping the 
conditional text outside the document) allows the use of Writer's rich 
conditional-text features.  The one feature that I'm trying to reproduce is 
WordPerfect's ability to test whether any field of merged data is empty or 
instantiated, and use that test to conditionally hide or reveal a section of 
text.

Thanks for your reply,
John


On 2021-01-01 10:39, Michael H wrote:

I'm not sure what your use case is... (there's not much in your question
about what you are trying to do) ...so I may be in the wrong postal code
with this suggestion. I'm using mail merge, and I keep all 'conditions'
outside the document itself.

I studied the Opendocument elements and I've decided that conditional text
in LibreOffice Writer is basically a doppleganger from Opendocument 1.0
that made it into the spec, but had no functionality.

So, all text that could be "hidden" now is kept in the database that I use
for the merge (which is a registered Calc spreadsheet).  And I can build my
own if statements there in new titled columns easily.

In Calc:
Column A contains book title
Column J contains number of pages in the work.
Column Z (contains paper thickness imported from a query in the calc
spreadsheet)
Column ZA contains the SpineText with the calculation: (IF(J*Z>.25,A2,"")

While the spine text here is short, I keep the entire back cover copy (up
to 5 paragraphs) in the same database, each paragraph in a separate cell
(for convenience of editing, and to make the resulting LO Writer file more
easily deal with.) I have no conditions on that back cover text but the
same method could also apply to entire paragraphs. Each point where a style
change is required, you'll need a separate cell.

This method is limited to primary text stream, and header and footer text
on each page.  That is, I haven't been able to "merge" into adhoc text
boxes In LibreWriter, only into the primary stream and header footer text.
I have been able to shift the footer text outside the defined box to
anywhere on the page, but that limits to 1 (or 2) out of stream boxes per
page, and the text can't be rotated or shaped.

On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 8:56 AM John Kaufmann wrote:


WordPerfect has a very useful condition for conditional text that must be
possible in Writer, but I have not figured out how to implement: How to
hide a block or section of text (or frame/figure/table/etc) unless one or
more instances of a class (to which that text pertains) exist. Is there a
way of expressing the condition
   "If: a field {IS|IS NOT} BLANK"
that can be used in the condition to hide or expose relevant text?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] If-exist condition for conditional text or section

2021-01-01 Thread John Kaufmann

Thanks, Remy. I'm very familiar with that use of conditional text. [My wife is
also a teacher, and also depends on the LO-user in the house to help when
things get moderately complex. ;-) ]

The problem comes not when I can specify a switch (like "User" == "Teacher" or "Student"), but when
merging external data -- where a field may be either empty or instantiated -- to control a section of conditional text. Is there
some way to do "IF-EXISTS" or "IF-BLANK" test on a field?

I appreciate your response,
John

On 2021-01-01 12:49, Remy Gauthier wrote:

Greetings,
You can use a section to do that in WRITER. The easy way to start is to highlight the text and then Insert > Section. In the section configuration, there is a conditional "Hide" you can use. For example, I created my wide's course material using WRITER and I use a variable named "User"; this variable is used on the cover page to indicate "Teacher's version" or "Student's version" (the value of User is Teacher or Student). The document contains the homework and practice exams the students will need to do throughout the semester. In the "Student's version", each question is followed by a blank area or by empty lines to allow them to write the answer to the question. In the "Teacher's version", each question is followed by a detailed answer. The way I did this was to create two sections after each question: the first section is for the detailed answer, and is hidden if 'User eq "Student"'. The second section contains the space needed for the students to write their answer; this
section is hidden if 'User neq "Student"'. This way, I can flip between versions by changing the value of the variable.

There is more information here: https://help.libreoffice.org/3.3/Writer/Hiding_Text
<https://help.libreoffice.org/3.3/Writer/Hiding_Text>

There are multuple ways of doing what you are looking for, but I believe
sections are more flexible.

I hope this helps.
Rémy.

Le vendredi 01 janvier 2021 à 09:53 -0500, John Kaufmann a écrit :

WordPerfect has a very useful condition for conditional text that must be
possible in Writer, but I have not figured out how to implement: How to hide a
block or section of text (or frame/figure/table/etc) unless one or more
instances of a class (to which that text pertains) exist. Is there a way of
expressing the condition
"If: a field {IS|IS NOT} BLANK"
that can be used in the condition to hide or expose relevant text?

Re: [libreoffice-users] If-exist condition for conditional text or section

2021-01-01 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Michael,

With the help of Dave Howorth's links to the OpenDocument spec, I just spent a 
couple hours trying to track down and understand your references, and realize 
that I am:
 (a) in over my head (even just to understanding the relevance of the different 
files organized under v.1.2), and
 (b) nowhere near a solution to how to test if a field is empty for the purpose 
of controlling conditional text.

[Indeed, I could not even see the connection between the schema for 
text:condition and my understanding of Writer's conditional text functions. It 
appears that working through the spec would take months -- and even then I'm 
not sure I would see the relationship to LO program design and functionality. 
(I wonder if that does not reflect your own experience, as you described it.)]

Thank you so much for the education in LO design, which I will mark to study 
further, but I can't afford to study it further now. I'm afraid I will have to 
accept that LO Writer cannot (for now) do what I thought it might do.

Kind regards,
John


On 2021-01-01 15:46, Michael H wrote:

John,

To follow up on the conditions aren't really conditional, but static
states: I got as far as page 613 of the ODF 1.2 specification.  (which used
to be free from OASIS, but now costs chf198 from ISO.org.)

it says

"The text:condition attribute specifies a condition. Conditions do not have
a predefined
syntax, but the attribute value should begin with a namespace prefix,
followed by a ":" (U+003A,
COLON) separator, followed by the text of a formula. The namespace bound to
the prefix
determines the syntax and semantics of the formula."

But all my attempts to make this work within Libreoffice writer failed. LO
Writer evaluated anything I put into  as pure text,
not as a formula (as far as I could tell.)

I was approaching from a differential analysis on .fodt documents before
and after I made various changes, then studying ODF spec to determine what
that field could actually do.
There's clearly no interface to support this.  It's in the spec so there
should be capability in LO Writer (or at least OpenOffice 2 & 3).. but
regardless what program I tried, I continued to get similar results...
regardless of what was in the  attribute, i always got one
of the two results unless the evaluation was strictly either "FALSE" or
"TRUE" or some variant of capitalization of one of these. So wherever the
actual statement was it was looking for a boolean result but a string
result, which LO wasn't returning if the evaluation ever happened.

So, I switched to Calc where I know how to do boolean logic, and each cell
is visible realtime, so it doesn't take advanced forensics to see what is,
and fix.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Meet the 2020 IEEE PES Wanda Reder Pioneer Power Award Recipient

2021-01-28 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-01-28 16:47, John Kaufmann wrote:

What is sychropopular?  Do you mean synchrophasor? ...


My profound apologies to the list for that. I have no idea how this list was 
added to the distribution of that reply to an (HMTL) mail from IEEE Power and 
Energy Society.

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[libreoffice-users] Date auto-mangle

2021-02-03 Thread John Kaufmann


LO 6.4.6.2 (x64)

Revisiting a 3-year-old document (probably produced in LOW 5.4.x [that information is not in File 
Properties, where I thought to find it]), I find that Writer now insists on rendering dates in a 
table in "localized" (m/d/) format -- an action triggered as soon as the cursor lands 
on such date and then leaves that cell. Of course I don't want that crap (had I wanted that format, 
I would have written it that way) so looked for a way to turn off such "help". But I 
don't see it in either the Autocorrect|Options or in the Options settings. That prompts these 
questions:

(1) How does one turn off such "help"?

(2)  Does anyone know when (with what version) such "help" began?
[Going through the archive 
, I don't even 
/see/ release notes, even five levels down, short of actually downloading a package 
(and maybe not even then). Even if those release notes exist, 70+ releases just since 
5.4.7 make looking through all those release notes a daunting prospect. I /have/ 
looked through the 7.0.4 and 7.1.0 release notes, and do not see a correction of this 
behavior.]

(3) An important bug, 46448 of 2012-02-22  addressed the problems with LO's 
misguided "localization" efforts, going back at least to OO in 2011. It has 59 comments, with simple solution summaries in comments 53 
and 57 (no dissents). Noting that the number of LO duplicates of the bug exceeded 5 (currently 14 duplicates), Xisco Fauli (comment 23) changed 
priority to "high". Noting the large number of comments, and the consequences of some date/numeric failures, Christopher Lee (comment 
59) suggested changing that priority from "high" to "fatal" (no dissenting comments). Yet throughout that process, LO has 
gone in the /other direction/, toward more extreme "localization" "help", with even more of the consequences described in the 
bug thread. Does anyone know how that happens?

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] specify an absolute sheet address (SOLVED)

2021-06-14 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-06-14 20:25, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote:

On 2021/06/13 2:55, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Another way to get around it is to name your range. Then your
formula could look something like =VLOOKUP(N76;ZipCodes;2;0)
Named ranges are absolute, always.

...
Defining the data range in the sheet "Zip codes", naming it
"zipcodes" (this setting apparently does not accept spaces), the
formula seems to be working .. AND .. looks a lot friendlier!
=VLOOKUP(N79,zipcodes,2,0)

Your idea was VERY helpful! Thank you.
Even I can understand that formula.
(You used semicolons in your formula, mine has commas. Is there a difference?


Tools > Options > LibreOffice Calc > Formula > Separators


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LoCalc- convert a 4 digit number to time

2021-06-12 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-06-12 13:59, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

Den lör 12 juni 2021 kl 01:05 skrev Dutton:


In cell A1 there's the number 1230
In cell A2 I want the number to appear as 12:30 (a time figure)


If you only mean ”appear”, then just format the cell as:
00”:”00
or
#0":"00
depending on w how you want three digit numbers to appear, ”09:30” or
”9:30”...


Johnny, that's a very nice insight into Calc formatting, with more general 
application. Do you recall where you found it?

Kind regards
John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice impress presentation - metropolis - exported as PDF, doesn't display correctly on some devices

2021-05-16 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-05-16 19:27, Daffy Duck wrote:

I made a presentation with impress, used Metropolis theme.

I then exported it as PDF.

The problem is, some, when opening on such things as iphones, get the
text cut off, like the top part of the text is not showing, etc.

Others, until they turn the phone sideways, it doesn't display the text
correctly.

How do I make sure the text looks correct for all, or at least most,
users on different devices?


Don't use PDF. The whole idea of PDF is to represent a physical page; it is not 
intended to adapt to different screens of a large range of sizes. Is there some 
reason for exporting to PDF?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice impress presentation - metropolis - exported as PDF, doesn't display correctly on some devices

2021-05-16 Thread John Kaufmann


Without knowing what you are exporting, I would not make a suggestion, but did 
you consider HTML?

On 2021-05-16 23:43, Daffy Duck wrote:

Yes, for distribution to a large amount of people, none of which use 
libreoffice.



On Sun, 2021-05-16 at 23:36 -0400, John Kaufmann wrote:

On 2021-05-16 19:27, Daffy Duck wrote:

I made a presentation with impress, used Metropolis theme.

I then exported it as PDF.

The problem is, some, when opening on such things as iphones, get the
text cut off, like the top part of the text is not showing, etc.

Others, until they turn the phone sideways, it doesn't display the text
correctly.

How do I make sure the text looks correct for all, or at least most,
users on different devices?


Don't use PDF. The whole idea of PDF is to represent a physical page; it is not 
intended to adapt to different screens of a large range of sizes. Is there some 
reason for exporting to PDF?



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[libreoffice-users] Treating Labels like Envelopes

2021-05-12 Thread John Kaufmann


LO Writer provides three kinds of document constructs for similar structured 
purposes:
o Envelopes  (invoked by Insert > Envelope...);
o Labels (invoked by File > New > Labels);
o Business Cards (invoked by File > New > Business Cards).
For the purpose of this question, Business Cards are a special case of Labels, 
so I will ignore them.

I think it's accurate to characterize:
o Labels as intended for a single entity frame (either fixed text or 
merged from database);
o Envelopes as intended for an addressing function of two entity frames:
 -- "Sender" (fixed text, normally from LO default) and
 -- "Addressee" (either fixed text or merged from database).

But sometimes (often?) one wants to treat Labels as serving the same addressing 
function as Envelopes -- that is, with two frames: Sender (normally fixed text 
from LO default) and Addressee (either fixed text or merged from database).
- For one-off labels, it's reasonable to treat the label frame as the 
Sender block (upper, left-justified) and insert an additional frame-anchored 
frame (lower, to the right edge) for Addressee, which is then filled in 
manually.
- But what about multiple labels, with Addressee filled in from a database?  Is there a 
"standard" way to do that?  The "Labels" tab "Label text" box does not seem to 
have a good way to mix fixed text in one frame and field codes in another -- or have I missed something 
obvious?

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] docx file formatting question. Using LO 7.0.5.2

2021-05-03 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-05-03 08:15, Ianseeks wrote:

...
I downloaded a docx file ... where some pages were landscape format in the 
middle of the document. ... She then started editing it and when she got to the 
landscape pages, the landscape format had reverted to portrait and the table on 
the tried used the landscape dimensions and it squashed the right hand columns 
... Can i make LO use landscape on various pages i choose and correct the 
problem.  I did try but it landscaped every page.


This is not a question of file format (DOCX or whatever); it's a question of 
having multiple page styles (at least one portrait style and one landscape 
style) in the document. You just need to specify both styles, according to use 
and when you make a page break from one style to the other, do so explicitly:
 Insert > More Breaks > Manual Break > Page Break, and specify the 
Style of the next page.


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[libreoffice-users] Non-breaking dash/hyphen

2021-03-24 Thread John Kaufmann


I had always thought that the difference between a "dash" and a "hyphen" is 
that the dash is a character (that is, will not break a character string), while the hyphen 
hyphenates (that is, breaks at the end of a line if the character string following the hyphen is 
too long to fit on the line).  So, needing a non-breaking substitute for that horizontal bar on my 
keyboard, I invoked:
Insert > Special Character
to get (what I would call) a dash.

LibreOffice has such mid-height horizontal-bar characters in three character 
groups:
"General punctuation", characters:
U+2010 (HYPHEN)
U+2012 (FIGURE DASH)
U_2013 (EN DASH)
U+2014 (EM DASH)
U+2015 (HORIZONTAL BAR)
"Mathematical Operators", character:
U+2212 (MINUS SIGN)
"Box Drawing", character:
U+2500 (BOX DRAWINGS LIGHT HORIZONTAL)

The five characters of the "General Punctuation" group mostly seem to just 
represent different widths of hyphen (despite three being called FIGURE DASH, EN DASH, EM 
DASH), in that in a character string each will end a line of characters if the string 
following is too long to fit. Only the HORIZONTAL BAR acts as a common character, such 
that the string of which it is a member will not break there; but it is very long to be 
used as a non-breaking hyphen.

The MINUS SIGN in the "Mathematical Operators" group has a special operation: 
It will break at the end of a line, but will itself move to the next line, to stay with 
the character following MINUS SIGN.

The BOX DRAWINGS LIGHT HORIZONTAL character acts like the HORIZONTAL BAR -- 
that is, as a true, non-breaking character -- but is also too long to be used 
generally as a non-breaking hyphen.

Is there a clean way to make a non-breaking dash/hyphen?

-John

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Re: [EXTERNAL] [libreoffice-users] Non-breaking dash/hyphen

2021-03-24 Thread John Kaufmann


Excellent! (I was wondering what happened to U+2011 as I investigated the "General 
Punctuation" group.) So it's just a matter of the Liberation family not covering the 
U+2011 codepoint - but a replacement glyph is provided. Thanks!

You used a term I don't recognize: "NPC".  My search turned up that it is a popular abbreviation for 
"non-playing character" in domains like WoW, Runelite and lots of other things of which I know nothing, but 
fortunately I don't think you used it in that context. I suspect it is close to that textually -- "non"  
"character" -- but I decided I had best ask: ?


On 2021-03-24 14:56, V Stuart Foote wrote:

You've missed the one Unicode point that does exactly what you require, but its 
use will depend on the font in use.

U+2011 NON-BREAKING HYPHEN

You can enter via LibreOffice Special Character dialog, or LibreOffice's Unicode 
toggle. That is you can type U+2011 and then +X to toggle the glyph.

If the font in use does not "cover" the codepoint, you'll get a fallback 
replacement or possibly the no glyph value for the font.

When added to canvas the non-breaking hyphen character will receive NPC 
highlighting.



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Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 1:31 PM
To: LibreOffice Users 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [libreoffice-users] Non-breaking dash/hyphen

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I had always thought that the difference between a "dash" and a "hyphen" is 
that the dash is a character (that is, will not break a character string), while the hyphen 
hyphenates (that is, breaks at the end of a line if the character string following the hyphen is 
too long to fit on the line).  So, needing a non-breaking substitute for that horizontal bar on my 
keyboard, I invoked:
 Insert > Special Character
to get (what I would call) a dash.

LibreOffice has such mid-height horizontal-bar characters in three character 
groups:
"General punctuation", characters:
 U+2010 (HYPHEN)
 U+2012 (FIGURE DASH)
 U_2013 (EN DASH)
 U+2014 (EM DASH)
 U+2015 (HORIZONTAL BAR)
"Mathematical Operators", character:
 U+2212 (MINUS SIGN)
"Box Drawing", character:
 U+2500 (BOX DRAWINGS LIGHT HORIZONTAL)

The five characters of the "General Punctuation" group mostly seem to just 
represent different widths of hyphen (despite three being called FIGURE DASH, EN DASH, EM 
DASH), in that in a character string each will end a line of characters if the string 
following is too long to fit. Only the HORIZONTAL BAR acts as a common character, such 
that the string of which it is a member will not break there; but it is very long to be 
used as a non-breaking hyphen.

The MINUS SIGN in the "Mathematical Operators" group has a special operation: 
It will break at the end of a line, but will itself move to the next line, to stay with 
the character following MINUS SIGN.

The BOX DRAWINGS LIGHT HORIZONTAL character acts like the HORIZONTAL BAR -- 
that is, as a true, non-breaking character -- but is also too long to be used 
generally as a non-breaking hyphen.

Is there a clean way to make a non-breaking dash/hyphen?

-John


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Re: [EXTERNAL] [libreoffice-users] Non-breaking dash/hyphen

2021-03-24 Thread John Kaufmann


Even easier! - y'know, I think I /knew/ that. [I certainly knew about the hard 
(non-breaking) space on that same menu.]
Thanks for the reminder, Robert!
(- and sorry for the list noise)

On 2021-03-24 15:09, W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. wrote:

Or you can do Insert > Formatting Mark > Non-breaking hyphen.
Does that work for you?
- Robert

From: V Stuart Foote 
Sent: March 24, 2021 14:56
To: LibreOffice Users
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [libreoffice-users] Non-breaking dash/hyphen

You've missed the one Unicode point that does exactly what you require, but its 
use will depend on the font in use.

U+2011 NON-BREAKING HYPHEN

You can enter via LibreOffice Special Character dialog, or LibreOffice's Unicode 
toggle. That is you can type U+2011 and then +X to toggle the glyph.

If the font in use does not "cover" the codepoint, you'll get a fallback 
replacement or possibly the no glyph value for the font.

When added to canvas the non-breaking hyphen character will receive NPC 
highlighting.


____
From: John Kaufmann 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 1:31 PM
To: LibreOffice Users 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [libreoffice-users] Non-breaking dash/hyphen

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I had always thought that the difference between a "dash" and a "hyphen" is 
that the dash is a character (that is, will not break a character string), while the hyphen 
hyphenates (that is, breaks at the end of a line if the character string following the hyphen is 
too long to fit on the line).  So, needing a non-breaking substitute for that horizontal bar on my 
keyboard, I invoked:
 Insert > Special Character
to get (what I would call) a dash.

LibreOffice has such mid-height horizontal-bar characters in three character 
groups:
"General punctuation", characters:
 U+2010 (HYPHEN)
 U+2012 (FIGURE DASH)
 U_2013 (EN DASH)
 U+2014 (EM DASH)
 U+2015 (HORIZONTAL BAR)
"Mathematical Operators", character:
 U+2212 (MINUS SIGN)
"Box Drawing", character:
 U+2500 (BOX DRAWINGS LIGHT HORIZONTAL)

The five characters of the "General Punctuation" group mostly seem to just 
represent different widths of hyphen (despite three being called FIGURE DASH, EN DASH, EM 
DASH), in that in a character string each will end a line of characters if the string 
following is too long to fit. Only the HORIZONTAL BAR acts as a common character, such 
that the string of which it is a member will not break there; but it is very long to be 
used as a non-breaking hyphen.

The MINUS SIGN in the "Mathematical Operators" group has a special operation: 
It will break at the end of a line, but will itself move to the next line, to stay with 
the character following MINUS SIGN.

The BOX DRAWINGS LIGHT HORIZONTAL character acts like the HORIZONTAL BAR -- 
that is, as a true, non-breaking character -- but is also too long to be used 
generally as a non-breaking hyphen.

Is there a clean way to make a non-breaking dash/hyphen?

-John

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Re: [EXTERNAL] [libreoffice-users] Non-breaking dash/hyphen

2021-03-24 Thread John Kaufmann


Very nice! Thanks for the background - that was a good discussion, and nice to 
understand your concern about applying NPC treatment to a printing character.  
There is a case to be made for some kind of visual discrimination (on the 
working screen, not the printed page) between typographically identical glyphs 
which behave differently, like breaking and non-breaking hyphen.


On 2021-03-24 16:38, V Stuart Foote wrote:

NPC -- Non-Printing Character [1]

The LibreOffice VCL canvas will apply "field" shading to a broad class of 
control and non-printing characters, we've asked to give them more distinction from 
fielded values [2]

=-ref-=
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_character

[2] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58434


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From: John Kaufmann 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 2:21 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [libreoffice-users] Non-breaking dash/hyphen

Excellent! (I was wondering what happened to U+2011 as I investigated the "General 
Punctuation" group.) So it's just a matter of the Liberation family not covering the 
U+2011 codepoint - but a replacement glyph is provided. Thanks!

You used a term I don't recognize: "NPC".  My search turned up that it is a popular abbreviation for 
"non-playing character" in domains like WoW, Runelite and lots of other things of which I know nothing, but 
fortunately I don't think you used it in that context. I suspect it is close to that textually -- "non"  
"character" -- but I decided I had best ask: ?


On 2021-03-24 14:56, V Stuart Foote wrote:

You've missed the one Unicode point that does exactly what you require, but its 
use will depend on the font in use.

U+2011 NON-BREAKING HYPHEN

You can enter via LibreOffice Special Character dialog, or LibreOffice's Unicode 
toggle. That is you can type U+2011 and then +X to toggle the glyph.

If the font in use does not "cover" the codepoint, you'll get a fallback 
replacement or possibly the no glyph value for the font.

When added to canvas the non-breaking hyphen character will receive NPC 
highlighting.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Autocorrect Problem

2021-03-12 Thread John Kaufmann


Thanks for posting what you found - it led to learning something really useful 
.

On 2021-03-12 00:51, das wrote:


(Though no one responded to my mail, I am replying with the solution, for
information service.)

For around two months I was facing this problem with both the two versions
of libreoffice in arch linux -- the 'still' one and the 'fresh' one. With
none of them Autocorrect was working. I tried en_US, en_Gb, and obviously
my own language bn_IN. Nowhere it was working. So, I wrote to this mailing
list.

This morning I got the solution. I installed snap and then enabled
snapd.socket with systemctl and installed libreoffice with snap. And now it
is working exactly as it should.



On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 1:43 PM das wrote:


Dear Friends

My Libreoffice is 7.0.4.2 on Arch Linux, Kernel is 5.10.19-1-lts. My
default language is en_US. And I also use Indic Language Bangla with it.

Autocorrect was working fine some time back. But these days I am seeing
that they are not working anymore.

Any help?

Thanks in Advance

Dipankar Das


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Re: [libreoffice-users] typing delay?

2021-03-18 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-03-17 11:43, Suzie Reedy wrote:


I am getting a delay when I type documents in Libre Office.  (what appears on 
the screen is several words behind what I am actually typing).  We have other 
users in our office who are not having this problem.  Any ideas on how to fix 
it?  I am using a Mac running 10.14 Mojave.


That sounds like a system problem, not an application problem.  Are your other 
LibreOffice users running the same system on the same hardware?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Write Closed but Windows 10 won't provide safe to remove flash drive

2021-03-08 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-03-07 10:03, Luuk wrote:

...
Using openfiles.exe (from Microsoft) you can see which files are open.


first you have to enable it using: openfiles /Local ON    (and do a reboot)
After that you can query with files are open using : openfiles /Query .


Thanks! Very handy to know about.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Two parallel text flows in one document possible?

2021-04-16 Thread John Kaufmann


Sorry, but I was hoping you would ask HOW the spell-check language is set 
separately on each column.
[I hate it when someone says "Of course" on an issue I don't see.] ;-)
Since you grasped it immediately, I'm afraid I must ask one of you: How do you 
do that?


On 2021-04-15 14:22, Ulf Dunkel wrote:

A two-column TABLE seems to be a very smart solution for this. Thank you, 
Harvey.

- - - - -

Am 15.04.21 um 12:09 schrieb Harvey Nimmo:

Hi,
I sometimes have to translate documents. So that I can see the
relationship of the texts I put one language on the right and the other
left on the page. For that I use a two-column table which works quite
well. Not sure if that is the most elegant solution for what you want.
Of course you can format each column as you want (e.g. with no table
borders), and the spell-check language can be set separately on each
column.

Greetings
Harvey


On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 11:42 +0200, Ulf Dunkel wrote:

Hello everyone.

I would like to write a book in German and English in parallel and
let
the German text flow on the left and the English text on the right,
or
two columns of German on the left and English on the right. Is that
technically possible in LO Writer? I haven't found anything about it
yet.

Best, Ulf




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Two parallel text flows in one document possible?

2021-04-16 Thread John Kaufmann


Thanks, Dan. It's funny: I thought I knew styles, which are indispensable to 
any kind of serious writing, but never noticed that Language setting in the 
Character style Font tab.
Every day is a school day.
-John

On 2021-04-16 08:50, Dan Lewis wrote:

This requires knowing how to use styles. For the column in German, all of the 
styles you use (paragraph, heading, or character styles need to be modified to 
list German as the language. For the column in English, all of the styles you 
use (paragraph, heading, or character styles need to be modified to list 
English as the language.This results in two sets of styles, one for German and 
one for English. For detailed instructions on doing this, you need to download 
the latest Writer Guide or download the the chapter on styles and the chapters 
on styles from the Getting Started Guide. Or, you could just download the 
entire Writer Guide so you would have a good reference for other questions 
about Writer.

Dan

On 4/16/21 7:45 AM, John Kaufmann wrote:

Sorry, but I was hoping you would ask HOW the spell-check language is set 
separately on each column.
[I hate it when someone says "Of course" on an issue I don't see.] ;-)
Since you grasped it immediately, I'm afraid I must ask one of you: How do you 
do that?


On 2021-04-15 14:22, Ulf Dunkel wrote:

A two-column TABLE seems to be a very smart solution for this. Thank you, 
Harvey.

- - - - -

Am 15.04.21 um 12:09 schrieb Harvey Nimmo:

Hi,
I sometimes have to translate documents. So that I can see the
relationship of the texts I put one language on the right and the other
left on the page. For that I use a two-column table which works quite
well. Not sure if that is the most elegant solution for what you want.
Of course you can format each column as you want (e.g. with no table
borders), and the spell-check language can be set separately on each
column.

Greetings
Harvey


On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 11:42 +0200, Ulf Dunkel wrote:

Hello everyone.

I would like to write a book in German and English in parallel and
let
the German text flow on the left and the English text on the right,
or
two columns of German on the left and English on the right. Is that
technically possible in LO Writer? I haven't found anything about it
yet.

Best, Ulf








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Re: [libreoffice-users] Two parallel text flows in one document possible?

2021-04-16 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Harvey,

Good point! That is an another good reason for doing the columns of the page(s) 
as table columns: It simplifies selecting a column as a syntactic field. I 
never thought about that, and appreciate you generalizing the solution in that 
way, which is an interesting variation on style management.

Thanks,
John


On 2021-04-16 16:23, Harvey Nimmo wrote:

I just klick on the top of the one column to select the content of the
whole column. Then go to Tools > Language > For Selection and select
the language to be checked for that column.


On Fri, 2021-04-16 at 07:45 -0400, John Kaufmann wrote:

Sorry, but I was hoping you would ask HOW the spell-check language is
set separately on each column.
[I hate it when someone says "Of course" on an issue I don't see.] ;-
)
Since you grasped it immediately, I'm afraid I must ask one of you:
How do you do that?


On 2021-04-15 14:22, Ulf Dunkel wrote:

A two-column TABLE seems to be a very smart solution for this.
Thank you, Harvey.

- - - - -

Am 15.04.21 um 12:09 schrieb Harvey Nimmo:

Hi,
I sometimes have to translate documents. So that I can see the
relationship of the texts I put one language on the right and the
other
left on the page. For that I use a two-column table which works
quite
well. Not sure if that is the most elegant solution for what you
want.
Of course you can format each column as you want (e.g. with no
table
borders), and the spell-check language can be set separately on
each
column.

Greetings
Harvey


On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 11:42 +0200, Ulf Dunkel wrote:

Hello everyone.

I would like to write a book in German and English in parallel
and
let
the German text flow on the left and the English text on the
right,
or
two columns of German on the left and English on the right. Is
that
technically possible in LO Writer? I haven't found anything
about it
yet.

Best, Ulf





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Two parallel text flows in one document possible?

2021-04-16 Thread John Kaufmann


Hi Dan,

Yes I did, but the Font tab is a Character tab in a Paragraph style. (If you do 
Format > Paragraph from the menu, the dialog has no Font tab, because that is 
under Format > Character. One of the idiosyncrasies about OO/LO Paragraph /styles/ 
[related to MS Word history?] is that they incorporate Character style functions.)  
So I tend to think of those as attributes of a Character style -- but as you say, in 
this case they are (also) in a Paragraph style.

Thanks again for checking my understanding,
John

On 2021-04-16 15:47, Dan Lewis wrote:

the language setting is also in the Font tab for all paragraph styles. Did you 
notice this?

Dan

On 4/16/21 9:33 AM, John Kaufmann wrote:

Thanks, Dan. It's funny: I thought I knew styles, which are indispensable to 
any kind of serious writing, but never noticed that Language setting in the 
Character style Font tab.
Every day is a school day.
-John

On 2021-04-16 08:50, Dan Lewis wrote:

This requires knowing how to use styles. For the column in German, all of the 
styles you use (paragraph, heading, or character styles need to be modified to 
list German as the language. For the column in English, all of the styles you 
use (paragraph, heading, or character styles need to be modified to list 
English as the language.This results in two sets of styles, one for German and 
one for English. For detailed instructions on doing this, you need to download 
the latest Writer Guide or download the the chapter on styles and the chapters 
on styles from the Getting Started Guide. Or, you could just download the 
entire Writer Guide so you would have a good reference for other questions 
about Writer.

Dan

On 4/16/21 7:45 AM, John Kaufmann wrote:

Sorry, but I was hoping you would ask HOW the spell-check language is set 
separately on each column.
[I hate it when someone says "Of course" on an issue I don't see.] ;-)
Since you grasped it immediately, I'm afraid I must ask one of you: How do you 
do that?


On 2021-04-15 14:22, Ulf Dunkel wrote:

A two-column TABLE seems to be a very smart solution for this. Thank you, 
Harvey.

- - - - -

Am 15.04.21 um 12:09 schrieb Harvey Nimmo:

Hi,
I sometimes have to translate documents. So that I can see the
relationship of the texts I put one language on the right and the other
left on the page. For that I use a two-column table which works quite
well. Not sure if that is the most elegant solution for what you want.
Of course you can format each column as you want (e.g. with no table
borders), and the spell-check language can be set separately on each
column.

Greetings
Harvey


On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 11:42 +0200, Ulf Dunkel wrote:

Hello everyone.

I would like to write a book in German and English in parallel and
let
the German text flow on the left and the English text on the right,
or
two columns of German on the left and English on the right. Is that
technically possible in LO Writer? I haven't found anything about it
yet.

Best, Ulf












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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to ask a question on Ask LibreOffice?

2021-02-16 Thread John Kaufmann


Dave,

Like Rob, I've never had a problem with the mechanics of asking on AskLibO, but a few weeks ago 
asked a "meta"-question related to yours ("LO help communities", Jan.21, if you 
want to look it up in Nabble): How to determine the best place to ask a question. LO has a rich 
panoply of help resources -- most notably AsLibO and this list, with some great people sharing 
their knowledge on both, but usually (with notable exceptions) staying within one venue. [AskLibO 
tends to get more traffic than this list.]

Given that diversity, and the fact that time is limited, it's perfectly 
reasonable that people with knowledge, and a conscientious willingness to share 
it, simply won't see questions for which they might have answers. I don't know 
how to mitigate that problem, because I don't know how to integrate the 
web-based AskLibO with a mailing list (or even with the web-based Nabble forum).

Reading between lines of the archives, I infer that the Ask system is or was a 
project of Drew Jensen, who has been extremely helpful also as a content 
contributor to LO in lots of ways, including on this list (and the earlier OO 
list), as well as on AskLibO. Your LO email address indicates that you may know 
him or have worked with him. Maybe you could take it up with him directly on 
both these issues. Likely he has answers about your posting problems, and he 
may have thoughts, from his Ask experience, about the number of questions that 
don't make it to the full range of people with answers. If there are concerns 
in TDF about the Ask system, that could be a particularly apt discussion at 
this time.

John


On 2021-02-16 10:31, Dave Barton wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to reply Rob.
Unfortunately my experience of Ask is the total opposite of yours.
I log into Ask enter my question, add the details, tags, go through
the "I'm not a robot" reCAPTCHA and click the "Ask Your Question"
button and ZIP, nothing happens.
Tried with 4 different browsers and 3 OS, with same result.

Dave

 Original Message 
From: Rob Jasper
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 14:33 UTC
To: Dave Barton
Cc: LibreOffice Users
Subject: [libreoffice-users] How to ask a question on Ask LibreOffice?


Dave,

I never had a problem with ask. I just get there the easy way by
clicking Help -> Get help online. Type you question (or keyword) to
find equivalent questions and answers, after that click the orange
button to ask the question.

Success, Rob.


Op 16 feb. 2021, om 13:52 heeft Dave Barton het volgende geschreven:

Since I got no response to an earlier post to this list, I
attempted to post in the Ask forum. Numerous attempts to post
failed. I guess a bug report in Bugzilla is now the only option.

I recall some murmurings about TDF seeking an alternative to the
Ask software. In my opinion, this should happen sooner rather
than later.

Dave


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Re: [libreoffice-users] How to ask a question on Ask LibreOffice?

2021-02-17 Thread John Kaufmann


On 2021-02-17 04:06, sophi wrote:


Just to let you know, we, at TDF, are working on replacing the Ask forum
by Discourse. We have had a test period with the members regularly
answering on Ask. If Discourse is not fully replacing a Q forum, it is
the most appropriate at the moment and we can extend it to serve other
purposes on the future.
The difficulty is currently to migrate the Ask archive to Discourse, but
that will be worked out by our infra team on the next months.


Looks interesting, and seems to have potential to subsume also the mailing list 
system. (It needs to be integrated with a MTA, which it does not provide, but 
merging web and mailing list forums seems to be an explicit objective.) If so, 
that could solve the problem of which forum (AskLibO or mailing list) to use 
for a question. Is the intent to also migrate the mailing lists to Discourse?


BTW, it was amusing to learn that not everyone is a fan. The Wikipedia description is the 
third hit on a search "discourse forum" in both DuckDuckGo and Google, but they 
summarize it differently:
Google: "Discourse is an open source Internet forum and mailing list 
management software application ..."
DuckDuckGo: "Discourse is an awful open source Internet forum and mailing 
list management software application ..."
:-)
FWIW, I look forward to seeing it,
-John

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