Re: Firefox slow to recognize inputs after screen unlock

[Javier Perez]

Thanks. I will check

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:05 PM, stan  wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:28:48 -0500
> Javier Perez  wrote:
>
>
> > Has anyone had this problem?
>
> I haven't, but I don't lock my screen.
>
> > I am using Fedora 24, XFCE ( but I think something similar happened
> > also with KDE.
> > Linux 4.7.4-200
> > Firefox 48.01
> >
> > How can I start troubleshooting this?
>
> You could search for the problem or open a bug at
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi#h=bugForm|Firefox
>
> When I searched on "slow response", and sorted by id, latest at top,
> there were several bugs that looked like possibilities, though none
> mentioned unlock that I saw.
>
> The other thing is that firefox 49 should be available soon in the
> Fedora repositories, if not already, and it might fix your problem.
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Re: keyboard icons for ibus

[Ed Greshko]

On 09/24/16 22:58, François Patte wrote:
> Le 24/09/2016 13:38, Ed Greshko a écrit :
>>
>> On 09/24/16 17:49, François Patte wrote:
>>> Bonjour,
>>>
>>> I want to add an input method to ibus: so I created a new file in
>>> /usr/share/m17n and a new png icon in /usr/share/m17n/icons.
>>>
>>> I can access this new input method in ibus preferences, but the icon of
>>> this input method is not displayed when I switch to my input method...
>>> Only a gear is displayed.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know if there is some icon database to update for m17n?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>> Are you sure that is the way you should be done?
> I am not sure at all! I did not find any docs on this subject... I also
> use math-latex input method and the corresponding  mim file is in
> /usr/share/m17n and png file in /usr/share/m17n/icons. As the math-latex
> keyboard is displayed, I thought that it was the correct way to do this.
>
> As it does not work for my new files, I am wondering if there is
> something like gtk-update-icon-cache to update the ibus icons?

Well, my point in writing

"I ask this since I use bopomofo for Chinese and ibus-anthy for Japanese

The tray icon for bopomofo is here 
/usr/share/ibus-libpinyin/icons/ibus-bopomofo.svg and
for ibus-anthy it is here /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/ibus-anthy.svg"

Was to suggest that maybe ibus does things in a "non-standard" way.

At this point I would probably look at the rpm for one of the other input 
methods, such as
ibus-anthy, and check the post-install scripts to see if they update any icon 
database or
cache.  Potentially downloading the src rpm to see if there are clues there as 
well, may
be of value.

FWIW, ibus also seems to be using Scalable Vector Graphics for their icons.

I know I've not given a definitive answer.  Just what I would check out if I 
were in this
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Re: adding a package to Fedora's EPEL

[stan]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 14:48:25 -0500
Ranjan Maitra  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am the packager for pdf-stapler in Fedora. I would like to make
> this available on EPEL so that CentOS, etc users may benefit. How do
> I do that?

I don't know the answer.  But if you don't get an answer here, you
should try the devel list, where the packagers hang out.

You can subscribe by sending an email to
devel-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org
with subscribe in the subject line, and from the email address you wish
to subscribe with.  I'm not sure how well it will work for an ignored
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adding a package to Fedora's EPEL

[Ranjan Maitra]

Hi,

I am the packager for pdf-stapler in Fedora. I would like to make this 
available on EPEL so that CentOS, etc users may benefit. How do I do that?

Many thanks,
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Re: Gnome shell high memory usage

[Christian Stadelmann]

> Looks like I'm suffering from the bug that was reported years ago, I am
> running the vanilla shell that exists in Fedora 24, looks like I will have
> to use an alternate Desktop Environment because I don't know why the
> gnome-shell has such horrible memory management that can consume up 6GB
> based on my experience, can't recall seeing it on F23 though.

How about contributing the info they need on the upstream bug (see link above) 
to fix this issue? Free software can only evolve if people contribute, this 
includes useful information for fixing bugs.
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Re: cron

[Joe Zeff]

On 09/24/2016 12:02 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

You mention 3 files in
/usr/share/anacron

there are in /var/spool/anacron
in my machine
I am not sure that they control anything, maybe they monitor.


Those are the timestamp files mentioned in the man page.  They tell the 
program when it was last run.

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Re: Firefox slow to recognize inputs after screen unlock

[stan]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:28:48 -0500
Javier Perez  wrote:


> Has anyone had this problem?

I haven't, but I don't lock my screen.

> I am using Fedora 24, XFCE ( but I think something similar happened
> also with KDE.
> Linux 4.7.4-200
> Firefox 48.01
> 
> How can I start troubleshooting this?

You could search for the problem or open a bug at 
 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi#h=bugForm|Firefox

When I searched on "slow response", and sorted by id, latest at top,
there were several bugs that looked like possibilities, though none
mentioned unlock that I saw.

The other thing is that firefox 49 should be available soon in the
Fedora repositories, if not already, and it might fix your problem.
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Re: cron

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I modified the file /etc/anacrontab

to have the some of "delay in minutes" and RANDOM_DELAY less than 60
and it seems that it helps. At least cron run on saturday as expected

You mention 3 files in
/usr/share/anacron 

there are in /var/spool/anacron
in my machine
I am not sure that they control anything, maybe they monitor.


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> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 8:23 PM
> From: "Jon LaBadie" 
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: cron
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:05:36AM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > It seems that we are experiencing different behaviours.
> > It there any test that we could run to try to identify where the
> > glitch is ?
> > 
> > By the way, nobody told me how to control anacron.
> > The installation day can no be considered as a normal way to 
> > control an application !
> 
> UNTESTED!!
> 
> In /usr/share/anacron are 3 files (for monthly, weekly, daily)
> that each contain a single 8 char line (MMDD).  These look
> like when each was run last.  You could probably modify weekly
> to match your view of when weekly 'should' run.
> 
> > 
> > In may opinion, we should have an independent control of crond and anacron
> > ie. through /etc/crontab and /etc/anacontab
> 
> With just a few differences, then anacron and cron would be the same.
> 
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Re: cron

[Jon LaBadie]

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:05:36AM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> It seems that we are experiencing different behaviours.
> It there any test that we could run to try to identify where the
> glitch is ?
> 
> By the way, nobody told me how to control anacron.
> The installation day can no be considered as a normal way to 
> control an application !

UNTESTED!!

In /usr/share/anacron are 3 files (for monthly, weekly, daily)
that each contain a single 8 char line (MMDD).  These look
like when each was run last.  You could probably modify weekly
to match your view of when weekly 'should' run.

> 
> In may opinion, we should have an independent control of crond and anacron
> ie. through /etc/crontab and /etc/anacontab

With just a few differences, then anacron and cron would be the same.

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Re: Is hibernation broken?

[jd1008]

On 09/24/2016 11:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2016-09-24 at 11:25 -0600, jd1008 wrote:

I note that the last line has "true" instead of "false", so maybe it
shouldn't have worked before and now is failing correctly ...

poc

Yes - that must be it.
Have you changed it to false, and run
grub2-mkconfig
and rebooted, and hibernated and rebooted to see if it will
resume as it ought to?

Just tried it and (somewhat to my surprise) it worked. I'll cross my
fingers and hope it keeps working.

[One thing I noticed is that alternate lines in the boot menu are now
labelled Recovery Mode (i.e. for each kernel version there is now an
additional line). This definitely wasn't the case before but I assume
it's not related to hibernation, despite the potential confusion
between the terms Recover and Restore.]

Thanks for your help.

poc

PS I tried it twice. First time Bluetooth worked, second time it
didn't, i.e. it was offline on restore. This is pretty much par for the
course.


I have not figured out the difference between the "recovery" kernels
and the non "recovery" kernels in the grub.conf file.
Perhaps someone (a developer) could clarify.

Cheers,

JD
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Re: installing Fedora 24 on (originally) efi systems

[Gordon Messmer]

On 09/24/2016 10:44 AM, jd1008 wrote:


Secure Boot should prevent kernel-modifying rootkits, for one.

But old PC's do not have uefi in BIOS.
So it seems old pc's will not benefit from it??? 



The question was, "are there any benefits to UEFI?"

Will PCs that don't have UEFI benefit from UEFI features?  No, obviously 
not.

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Re: installing Fedora 24 on (originally) efi systems

[Gordon Messmer]

On 09/24/2016 10:25 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

I don't know what the last  means



It means that Red Hat cryptographically signs the grub bootloader, the 
kernel, and kernel modules that ship with Fedora, and they won't be 
loaded if they've been modified.  A rootkit might modify the kernel, or 
a module, or introduce a module of its own that changes the kernel's 
behavior to prevent detection or removal of the rootkit.  Secure Boot 
would prevent that rootkit from loading.

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Re: Is hibernation broken?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2016-09-24 at 11:25 -0600, jd1008 wrote:
> > I note that the last line has "true" instead of "false", so maybe it
> > shouldn't have worked before and now is failing correctly ...
> >
> > poc
> Yes - that must be it.
> Have you changed it to false, and run
> grub2-mkconfig
> and rebooted, and hibernated and rebooted to see if it will
> resume as it ought to?

Just tried it and (somewhat to my surprise) it worked. I'll cross my
fingers and hope it keeps working.

[One thing I noticed is that alternate lines in the boot menu are now
labelled Recovery Mode (i.e. for each kernel version there is now an
additional line). This definitely wasn't the case before but I assume
it's not related to hibernation, despite the potential confusion
between the terms Recover and Restore.]

Thanks for your help.

poc

PS I tried it twice. First time Bluetooth worked, second time it
didn't, i.e. it was offline on restore. This is pretty much par for the
course.
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Re: installing Fedora 24 on (originally) efi systems

[jd1008]

On 09/24/2016 11:13 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:

On 09/24/2016 08:35 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

Is there any long-term advantage to install on EFI?



Secure Boot should prevent kernel-modifying rootkits, for one.

But old PC's do not have uefi in BIOS.
So it seems old pc's will not benefit from it???
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Re: Is hibernation broken?

[jd1008]

On 09/24/2016 10:22 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2016-09-24 at 10:10 -0600, jd1008 wrote:

On 09/24/2016 08:20 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 10:12:23 +0100 "Patrick O'Callaghan" 
 wrote:


On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 18:23 -0600, jd1008 wrote:

On 09/22/2016 05:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

I'm using kernel-4.6.6-300.fc24.x86_64 with the proprietary NVidia
driver, plus daily updates from the stable repos. Hibernation used to
work with previous kernels, but now regularly fails to wake up
properly, i.e. on restarting I get the BIOS screen followed by the boot
text console and select the first (newest) option as usual. So far so
good. Then after a few seconds I see the BIOS again, repeat the
selection, and get a full reboot.

Anyone else seeing this?

poc

I saw it once or twice.
The reason was (in my case) that when I hibernated, I had USB devices
hooked up.
When I rebooted without plugginf in those devices, it behaved exactly as
you describe.

That's not the case in my setup. All USB devices have remained plugged
in between hibernation and awakening.

Same here. The problem is machine-dependent and afflicts newer machines more 
than the older ones, in my experience, perhaps because the former have been 
tested more (by all).

Best wishes,
Ranjan


OK, one thing to check:

$ cat /etc/default/grub
GRUB_TIMEOUT=300
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)"
GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true
GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="console"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 $([ -x
/usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param ] && /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param || :)
video=1366x768
resume=/dev/disk/by-uuid/281d4971-32b6-47e0-96a2-9bdc998a9b1c"
GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="false"

Does yours have the line
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX  ??
The resume= setting is necessary to hibernate.
Once you set up this file , you will need to run
grub2-mkconfig  -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

and reboot, and hibernate and reboot again.

P.S: you must reboot into same OS you hibernated.

I should perhaps have mentioned that hibernation was working (almost)
perfectly up until a couple of kernel updates ago. I say "almost"
because Bluetooth sometimes recovers and sometimes doesn't, but the
same happens with suspend/resume so I don't think that's relevant.

I compared my current /etc/default/grub file with the oldest backup I
have, dated some time in June, and they are identical. In any case,
this is what's in it:

$ cat /etc/default/grub
GRUB_TIMEOUT=5
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)"
GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true
GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="console"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 $([ -x /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param ] 
&& /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param || :) rhgb quiet 
resume=UUID=1431e6d2-531e-46cd-8633-1cf878c6b2a1"
GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true"

I note that the last line has "true" instead of "false", so maybe it
shouldn't have worked before and now is failing correctly ...

poc

Yes - that must be it.
Have you changed it to false, and run
grub2-mkconfig
and rebooted, and hibernated and rebooted to see if it will
resume as it ought to?

Cheers,

JD
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Re: installing Fedora 24 on (originally) efi systems

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 10:13:19 -0700 Gordon Messmer  
wrote:

> On 09/24/2016 08:35 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > Is there any long-term advantage to install on EFI?
> 
> 
> Secure Boot should prevent kernel-modifying rootkits, for one.

I don't know what the last  means (sorry) but I have Secure Boot disabled, as 
additional information.

THanks again!

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Re: installing Fedora 24 on (originally) efi systems

[Gordon Messmer]

On 09/24/2016 08:35 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

Is there any long-term advantage to install on EFI?



Secure Boot should prevent kernel-modifying rootkits, for one.

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Re: Is hibernation broken?

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 17:22:56 +0100 "Patrick O'Callaghan" 
 wrote:

> On Sat, 2016-09-24 at 10:10 -0600, jd1008 wrote:
> > 
> > On 09/24/2016 08:20 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 10:12:23 +0100 "Patrick O'Callaghan" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 18:23 -0600, jd1008 wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 09/22/2016 05:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm using kernel-4.6.6-300.fc24.x86_64 with the proprietary NVidia
> > > > > > driver, plus daily updates from the stable repos. Hibernation used 
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > work with previous kernels, but now regularly fails to wake up
> > > > > > properly, i.e. on restarting I get the BIOS screen followed by the 
> > > > > > boot
> > > > > > text console and select the first (newest) option as usual. So far 
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > good. Then after a few seconds I see the BIOS again, repeat the
> > > > > > selection, and get a full reboot.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Anyone else seeing this?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > poc
> > > > > I saw it once or twice.
> > > > > The reason was (in my case) that when I hibernated, I had USB devices
> > > > > hooked up.
> > > > > When I rebooted without plugginf in those devices, it behaved exactly 
> > > > > as
> > > > > you describe.
> > > > That's not the case in my setup. All USB devices have remained plugged
> > > > in between hibernation and awakening.
> > > Same here. The problem is machine-dependent and afflicts newer machines 
> > > more than the older ones, in my experience, perhaps because the former 
> > > have been tested more (by all).
> > > 
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Ranjan
> > > 
> > OK, one thing to check:
> > 
> > $ cat /etc/default/grub
> > GRUB_TIMEOUT=300
> > GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)"
> > GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
> > GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true
> > GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="console"
> > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 $([ -x 
> > /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param ] && /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param || :) 
> > video=1366x768 
> > resume=/dev/disk/by-uuid/281d4971-32b6-47e0-96a2-9bdc998a9b1c"
> > GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="false"
> > 
> > Does yours have the line
> > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX  ??
> > The resume= setting is necessary to hibernate.
> > Once you set up this file , you will need to run
> > grub2-mkconfig  -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
> > 
> > and reboot, and hibernate and reboot again.
> > 
> > P.S: you must reboot into same OS you hibernated.
> 
> I should perhaps have mentioned that hibernation was working (almost)
> perfectly up until a couple of kernel updates ago. I say "almost"
> because Bluetooth sometimes recovers and sometimes doesn't, but the
> same happens with suspend/resume so I don't think that's relevant.
> 
> I compared my current /etc/default/grub file with the oldest backup I
> have, dated some time in June, and they are identical. In any case,
> this is what's in it:
> 
> $ cat /etc/default/grub
> GRUB_TIMEOUT=5
> GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)"
> GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
> GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true
> GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="console"
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 $([ -x 
> /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param ] && /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param || :) rhgb 
> quiet resume=UUID=1431e6d2-531e-46cd-8633-1cf878c6b2a1"
> GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true"
> 
> I note that the last line has "true" instead of "false", so maybe it
> shouldn't have worked before and now is failing correctly ...

Same here: jd1008 appears to not have followed the thread, but yes, I (and 
others discussing this) have all this done but hibernate (sometimes, quite 
frequently now) fails. The fact that it goes in and comes back sometimes should 
indicate that this is set correctly. Btw, the last line has no effect because 
it does not work (yet) and is ignored: it is a bug somewhere on BZ. 

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Firefox slow to recognize inputs after screen unlock

[Javier Perez]

Hi

Has anyone had this problem?

After I unolock the screen,  firefox seem slow to recognize mouse or
keyboard input. There is a period of about three minutes where no matter
what I do it will not register with firefox (switch tabs, try to click on
link, etc.).

I can switch and move windows, and terminal and other programs recognize
the input without problems.

I am using Fedora 24, XFCE ( but I think something similar happened also
with KDE.
Linux 4.7.4-200
Firefox 48.01

How can I start troubleshooting this?

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Re: Is hibernation broken?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sat, 2016-09-24 at 10:10 -0600, jd1008 wrote:
> 
> On 09/24/2016 08:20 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 10:12:23 +0100 "Patrick O'Callaghan" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 18:23 -0600, jd1008 wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On 09/22/2016 05:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm using kernel-4.6.6-300.fc24.x86_64 with the proprietary NVidia
> > > > > driver, plus daily updates from the stable repos. Hibernation used to
> > > > > work with previous kernels, but now regularly fails to wake up
> > > > > properly, i.e. on restarting I get the BIOS screen followed by the 
> > > > > boot
> > > > > text console and select the first (newest) option as usual. So far so
> > > > > good. Then after a few seconds I see the BIOS again, repeat the
> > > > > selection, and get a full reboot.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyone else seeing this?
> > > > > 
> > > > > poc
> > > > I saw it once or twice.
> > > > The reason was (in my case) that when I hibernated, I had USB devices
> > > > hooked up.
> > > > When I rebooted without plugginf in those devices, it behaved exactly as
> > > > you describe.
> > > That's not the case in my setup. All USB devices have remained plugged
> > > in between hibernation and awakening.
> > Same here. The problem is machine-dependent and afflicts newer machines 
> > more than the older ones, in my experience, perhaps because the former have 
> > been tested more (by all).
> > 
> > Best wishes,
> > Ranjan
> > 
> OK, one thing to check:
> 
> $ cat /etc/default/grub
> GRUB_TIMEOUT=300
> GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)"
> GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
> GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true
> GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="console"
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 $([ -x 
> /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param ] && /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param || :) 
> video=1366x768 
> resume=/dev/disk/by-uuid/281d4971-32b6-47e0-96a2-9bdc998a9b1c"
> GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="false"
> 
> Does yours have the line
> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX  ??
> The resume= setting is necessary to hibernate.
> Once you set up this file , you will need to run
> grub2-mkconfig  -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
> 
> and reboot, and hibernate and reboot again.
> 
> P.S: you must reboot into same OS you hibernated.

I should perhaps have mentioned that hibernation was working (almost)
perfectly up until a couple of kernel updates ago. I say "almost"
because Bluetooth sometimes recovers and sometimes doesn't, but the
same happens with suspend/resume so I don't think that's relevant.

I compared my current /etc/default/grub file with the oldest backup I
have, dated some time in June, and they are identical. In any case,
this is what's in it:

$ cat /etc/default/grub
GRUB_TIMEOUT=5
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)"
GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true
GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="console"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 $([ -x 
/usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param ] && /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param || :) rhgb 
quiet resume=UUID=1431e6d2-531e-46cd-8633-1cf878c6b2a1"
GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true"

I note that the last line has "true" instead of "false", so maybe it
shouldn't have worked before and now is failing correctly ...

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Re: Is hibernation broken?

[jd1008]

On 09/24/2016 08:20 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 10:12:23 +0100 "Patrick O'Callaghan" 
 wrote:


On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 18:23 -0600, jd1008 wrote:

On 09/22/2016 05:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

I'm using kernel-4.6.6-300.fc24.x86_64 with the proprietary NVidia
driver, plus daily updates from the stable repos. Hibernation used to
work with previous kernels, but now regularly fails to wake up
properly, i.e. on restarting I get the BIOS screen followed by the boot
text console and select the first (newest) option as usual. So far so
good. Then after a few seconds I see the BIOS again, repeat the
selection, and get a full reboot.

Anyone else seeing this?

poc

I saw it once or twice.
The reason was (in my case) that when I hibernated, I had USB devices
hooked up.
When I rebooted without plugginf in those devices, it behaved exactly as
you describe.

That's not the case in my setup. All USB devices have remained plugged
in between hibernation and awakening.

Same here. The problem is machine-dependent and afflicts newer machines more 
than the older ones, in my experience, perhaps because the former have been 
tested more (by all).

Best wishes,
Ranjan


OK, one thing to check:

$ cat /etc/default/grub
GRUB_TIMEOUT=300
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)"
GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true
GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="console"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 $([ -x 
/usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param ] && /usr/sbin/rhcrashkernel-param || :) 
video=1366x768 
resume=/dev/disk/by-uuid/281d4971-32b6-47e0-96a2-9bdc998a9b1c"

GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="false"

Does yours have the line
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX  ??
The resume= setting is necessary to hibernate.
Once you set up this file , you will need to run
grub2-mkconfig  -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

and reboot, and hibernate and reboot again.

P.S: you must reboot into same OS you hibernated.

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Re: installing Fedora 24 on (originally) efi systems

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 22:49:29 +0800 Ed Greshko  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 09/24/16 22:39, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> > I have an ASUS R503U which originally came with a Windoze8.1 installation. 
> > I have no need for it so I scrapped it. I also, consequently have no need 
> > for EFI.
> >
> > I was wondering if it is required for me to install Fedora 24 on an EFI 
> > system. I can not seem to get out of EFI so maybe what I am looking to do 
> > is not possible. Is it possible to do the same in an old grub setup.
> >
> > Many thanks and best wishes,
> 
> FWIW, google "asus r503u disable uefi" and you'll find how to disable uefi 
> for ASUS
> hardware.  It seems it can be done, just that you need the "magic" 
> incantation to get it
> done.  :-)

Magic indeed! I tried these tips actually, but it did not seem to make much of 
a difference. I guess I will try and get the potions right.

Is there any long-term advantage to install on EFI? I do not have Windoze 
installed and I do no want it on the machine.

I seem to know about EFI even less than I do about Windoze.

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Re: Gnome shell high memory usage

[Andre Robatino]

> What version of Fedora are you using?

F24 x86_64 (clean install). It doesn't use that much memory for me - I have 16 
GB, and after a day or so it gets to as high as 2%, restarting gets it down to 
about 0.8%. I got into the habit when the machine had less memory and it would 
get up to around 10%. My original post was just to mention restarting, in case 
the OP was unaware of it - it's easy to do, unlike logging out or rebooting. 
Even if it used a lot more, I wouldn't bother changing desktops because of it, 
unless it got wedged somehow if I forgot to restart.
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Re: keyboard icons for ibus

[François Patte]

Le 24/09/2016 13:38, Ed Greshko a écrit :
> 
> 
> On 09/24/16 17:49, François Patte wrote:
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> I want to add an input method to ibus: so I created a new file in
>> /usr/share/m17n and a new png icon in /usr/share/m17n/icons.
>>
>> I can access this new input method in ibus preferences, but the icon of
>> this input method is not displayed when I switch to my input method...
>> Only a gear is displayed.
>>
>> Does anybody know if there is some icon database to update for m17n?
>>
>> Thank you.
> 
> Are you sure that is the way you should be done?

I am not sure at all! I did not find any docs on this subject... I also
use math-latex input method and the corresponding  mim file is in
/usr/share/m17n and png file in /usr/share/m17n/icons. As the math-latex
keyboard is displayed, I thought that it was the correct way to do this.

As it does not work for my new files, I am wondering if there is
something like gtk-update-icon-cache to update the ibus icons?


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Re: installing Fedora 24 on (originally) efi systems

[Ed Greshko]

On 09/24/16 22:39, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> I have an ASUS R503U which originally came with a Windoze8.1 installation. I 
> have no need for it so I scrapped it. I also, consequently have no need for 
> EFI.
>
> I was wondering if it is required for me to install Fedora 24 on an EFI 
> system. I can not seem to get out of EFI so maybe what I am looking to do is 
> not possible. Is it possible to do the same in an old grub setup.
>
> Many thanks and best wishes,

FWIW, google "asus r503u disable uefi" and you'll find how to disable uefi for 
ASUS
hardware.  It seems it can be done, just that you need the "magic" incantation 
to get it
done.  :-)

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installing Fedora 24 on (originally) efi systems

[Ranjan Maitra]

Hi,

I have an ASUS R503U which originally came with a Windoze8.1 installation. I 
have no need for it so I scrapped it. I also, consequently have no need for EFI.

I was wondering if it is required for me to install Fedora 24 on an EFI system. 
I can not seem to get out of EFI so maybe what I am looking to do is not 
possible. Is it possible to do the same in an old grub setup.

Many thanks and best wishes,
Ranjan

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Re: Is hibernation broken?

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 10:12:23 +0100 "Patrick O'Callaghan" 
 wrote:

> On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 18:23 -0600, jd1008 wrote:
> > 
> > On 09/22/2016 05:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > 
> > > I'm using kernel-4.6.6-300.fc24.x86_64 with the proprietary NVidia
> > > driver, plus daily updates from the stable repos. Hibernation used to
> > > work with previous kernels, but now regularly fails to wake up
> > > properly, i.e. on restarting I get the BIOS screen followed by the boot
> > > text console and select the first (newest) option as usual. So far so
> > > good. Then after a few seconds I see the BIOS again, repeat the
> > > selection, and get a full reboot.
> > > 
> > > Anyone else seeing this?
> > > 
> > > poc
> > 
> > I saw it once or twice.
> > The reason was (in my case) that when I hibernated, I had USB devices 
> > hooked up.
> > When I rebooted without plugginf in those devices, it behaved exactly as 
> > you describe.
> 
> That's not the case in my setup. All USB devices have remained plugged
> in between hibernation and awakening.

Same here. The problem is machine-dependent and afflicts newer machines more 
than the older ones, in my experience, perhaps because the former have been 
tested more (by all).

Best wishes,
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Re: network manager applet in f24

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:21:54 +0200 Frank Elsner  
wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:55:06 +0200 François Patte wrote:
> > Bonjour,
> 
> Hello,
> 
> > There is something wrong with this applet in f24: when the computer
> > resumes from suspend, the applet shows as if the network was not
> > connected. In fact it is connected but, it impossible to change the
> > connection, ie.: if before going to suspend, the computer was connected
> > on a wifi, it is still conected to the same wifi but it is impossible to
> > change this or to use an ethernet connction...
> 
> same here. I found that "systemctl restart NetworkManager" clear the 
> situation.
> At least for me.

Yes, this has been a problem for a while on Fedora 24. Funnily this is not a 
problem for the machines where I did not install Fedora 24 from scratch, but 
upgraded (from Fedora 23), but it may generally also be a consequence of 
architecture. However, two machines of the same kind (I think Dell Latitude 
E6400 or so), one installed from scratch and the other upgraded, have 
dissimilar results, so it is a strange observation. One my Dell XPS 13 which I 
also upgraded, I also have no issues.

I usually: "kill nm-applet" and start "nm-applet" again from the command line, 
especially if I need to move from one location to another and need to find new 
wifis (or the need to use vpn connection from NM). Otherwise, I ignore it. Your 
solution is one command and thus simpler.

Thanks again!

Best wishes,
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Re: keyboard icons for ibus

[Ed Greshko]

On 09/24/16 17:49, François Patte wrote:
> Bonjour,
>
> I want to add an input method to ibus: so I created a new file in
> /usr/share/m17n and a new png icon in /usr/share/m17n/icons.
>
> I can access this new input method in ibus preferences, but the icon of
> this input method is not displayed when I switch to my input method...
> Only a gear is displayed.
>
> Does anybody know if there is some icon database to update for m17n?
>
> Thank you.

Are you sure that is the way you should be done?

I ask this since I use bopomofo for Chinese and ibus-anthy for Japanese

The tray icon for bopomofo is here 
/usr/share/ibus-libpinyin/icons/ibus-bopomofo.svg and
for ibus-anthy it is here /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/ibus-anthy.svg

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Re: Gnome shell high memory usage

[Earl A Ramirez]

>
>
>
> I don't HAVE to do it, I just like to keep the memory usage down. If
> there's supposed to be some kind of performance gain from the high usage, I
> don't see it - AFAICT it works just as well after the restart as before. If
> it's caching something it would be interesting to know what.
>
>
What version of Fedora are you using?

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Re: Gnome shell high memory usage

[Earl A Ramirez]

On 23 September 2016 at 20:37, Christian Stadelmann <
genodeft...@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

> This is a common issue with gnome-shell.
> 1. Can you try disabling any gnome-shell extension and see whether it is
> still present? If no, then one of your extensions is to blame. There is no
> easy way except manually enabling/disabling them and having a look at
> gnome-shell's RAM usage.
> 2. If you are sure it is an issue in gnome-shell, you're probably running
> into https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=642652.
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Thanks, Christian,

Looks like I'm suffering from the bug that was reported years ago, I am
running the vanilla shell that exists in Fedora 24, looks like I will have
to use an alternate Desktop Environment because I don't know why the
gnome-shell has such horrible memory management that can consume up 6GB
based on my experience, can't recall seeing it on F23 though.

Thanks again for your response, highly appreciated.

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Re: network manager applet in f24

[Frank Elsner]

On Sat, 24 Sep 2016 11:55:06 +0200 François Patte wrote:
> Bonjour,

Hello,

> There is something wrong with this applet in f24: when the computer
> resumes from suspend, the applet shows as if the network was not
> connected. In fact it is connected but, it impossible to change the
> connection, ie.: if before going to suspend, the computer was connected
> on a wifi, it is still conected to the same wifi but it is impossible to
> change this or to use an ethernet connction...

same here. I found that "systemctl restart NetworkManager" clear the situation.
At least for me.


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network manager applet in f24

[François Patte]

Bonjour,

There is something wrong with this applet in f24: when the computer
resumes from suspend, the applet shows as if the network was not
connected. In fact it is connected but, it impossible to change the
connection, ie.: if before going to suspend, the computer was connected
on a wifi, it is still conected to the same wifi but it is impossible to
change this or to use an ethernet connction...

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keyboard icons for ibus

[François Patte]

Bonjour,

I want to add an input method to ibus: so I created a new file in
/usr/share/m17n and a new png icon in /usr/share/m17n/icons.

I can access this new input method in ibus preferences, but the icon of
this input method is not displayed when I switch to my input method...
Only a gear is displayed.

Does anybody know if there is some icon database to update for m17n?

Thank you.

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Re: Is hibernation broken?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2016-09-23 at 18:23 -0600, jd1008 wrote:
> 
> On 09/22/2016 05:24 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > 
> > I'm using kernel-4.6.6-300.fc24.x86_64 with the proprietary NVidia
> > driver, plus daily updates from the stable repos. Hibernation used to
> > work with previous kernels, but now regularly fails to wake up
> > properly, i.e. on restarting I get the BIOS screen followed by the boot
> > text console and select the first (newest) option as usual. So far so
> > good. Then after a few seconds I see the BIOS again, repeat the
> > selection, and get a full reboot.
> > 
> > Anyone else seeing this?
> > 
> > poc
> 
> I saw it once or twice.
> The reason was (in my case) that when I hibernated, I had USB devices 
> hooked up.
> When I rebooted without plugginf in those devices, it behaved exactly as 
> you describe.

That's not the case in my setup. All USB devices have remained plugged
in between hibernation and awakening.

poc
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Re: cron

[Joe Zeff]

On 09/24/2016 01:05 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

By the way, nobody told me how to control anacron.
The installation day can no be considered as a normal way to
control an application !


The first thing you should always do is RTFM.  In this case:

man anacron
man anacrontab

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Re: cron

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

It seems that we are experiencing different behaviours.
It there any test that we could run to try to identify where the
glitch is ?

By the way, nobody told me how to control anacron.
The installation day can no be considered as a normal way to 
control an application !

In may opinion, we should have an independent control of crond and anacron
ie. through /etc/crontab and /etc/anacontab

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> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2016 at 11:49 PM
> From: "Jon LaBadie" 
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: cron
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 09:23:43PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > > From: "Jon LaBadie" 
> > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 01:32:00PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Regardless, as has been said before, if you want a job run at
> > > > > specific times, anacron is not the correct tool.  Use cron.
> > > > > 
> > > > Yes and no,
> > > > Monday is not a good day. I would like to move to Saturday
> > > > Why not a START_DAYS_RANGE ? for the weekly stuff ?
> > > 
> > > why not USE CRON ?
> > > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > In fc22, anacron and crond where both running simultaneously fine.
> > No any more in fc24 : it seems that now crond only run hourly 
> > and ignore the weekly (and daily) tasks. That I wish to 
> > restablish.
> > 
> And I've noted several times in this thread that is not the
> case here.  On my F24 system I have several crontabs, each
> with multiple entries.  I also have things run by anacron
> from cron.daily, and cron.weekly.  Further I have some things,
> like the locate database update being run by systemD timers.
> 
> Please consider that your F24 setup is incomplete or has some
> errors and your experience is not the norm.
> 
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Re: Gnome shell high memory usage

[Tim]

Allegedly, on or about 23 September 2016, Joe Zeff sent:
> if this were a common issue, there'd be a Bugzilla about it

There is, going back several years.

> and probably a fast patch. 

Scoff!  Only if they admit that they're doing it the wrong way.

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display, and they ploughed on with that stupid design philosophy despite
all the complaints.  I went over to using the Mate fork, instead, and
it's far better (for me).  However, the login screen still uses Gnome
shell, and that makes the computer grind to a halt, all by itself,
particularly when its screensaver kicks in (just a static graphic of a
pretty picture).  On computers that are left running all the time, I
periodically have to cold boot them (or go through a lot more malarkey),
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