Re: Uh-oh...

[Philip Rhoades via users]

Dave, Eddie,

Good to hear your stories! - see inline comments:


On 2024-03-31 10:42, Dave Ihnat wrote:

On 30 Mar at 17:46, Eddie O'Connor  wrote:

...and while I'm not a developer?...I would LOVE to BE
one!...as my son is now college bound and I don't have "babies" to 
tend

to...I work from home...and if I could learn the framework and
languages?..I would SO volunteer, I'm a "spry" 52 yr old...who's been 
in IT

since '99...


I've been a developer since I got out of college ~1976. I don't know 
how

spry I am, but I am 70 and still rockin' as my own consultant.



Beat you both! - now 72 and started using the original RH4 but moved to 
F01 straight away - but I have actually been using Linux since the 
Kernel 0.9 days . .



Actually--I was a full-time developer through around 2004, when I went 
out
on my own. Incorporated my own business as an IT Consultant. 
Specialized

in SMBs (Small/Medium Businesses), since I'd observed they get screwed
by the consulting firms.



Good work!


Since that time, I've done much less software development. Why? How 
many

times can I rewrite the same solution, in different languages, for the
same problems?  That got tiring. I'm not saying that you shouldn't go 
for

it--you *haven't* gone through my decades of development, and it's
amazingly rewarding when you get in the groove.



Yes, I used to love building kernels etc too but after a while you do 
get short of time and resort to just "getting stuff done" as quickly as 
possible . .




I guess we all have fantasy jobs though eh?


Don't just treat it as fantasy. When I went to create my own company at
51, I had a friend who griped, "You can't do that! You're too old!". 
Foo

on him. Go for what you want!



Exactly! +1


Thanks to all the devs and code maintainers who make Fedora a 
possibility

for a dweeb lile me!! You guys and gals ROCK!!



From me too! - have loved this FOSS space for a long time!


I re-wrote "cut" and "paste" and submitted them to Gnu back in the 
'80s. It

was both gratifying and amazingly painful (BTL lawyers were not best
pleased. Fortunately, I did it "by the book"--got permission from my 
BTL
consultant manager, made sure I didn't look at the original source 
code,
etc.) so I ended up clean. Open Source is the way to keep things moving 
and

surviving. If you want to get into it, DO IT!



Good work! - In the early days I helped debug the SCSI controller but 
that was about my limit of "serious" stuff . .


Kudos to all involved with this discovery and fix!

Regards,

Phil.



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Is this possible?: Convert /dev/sdd[1-5] Ext4 => /dev/sdd [btrfs - whole disk] - without losing data in sdd5 (old /home)

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People,

I have been using Fedora since Core 1 and still have the old HDs and I 
have kept using ext[234] FSs just for simplicity / consistency up to the 
current time (F39) - but now I want to experiment with btrfs and I was 
thinking I could go through the exercise of converting an old SATA boot 
drive where I am still using /dev/sdd5 (the old /home partition) as one 
of a few backup partitions / drives for current live data from my 
workstation and some small servers.


At first I was thinking I could delete ext4 parts 1-4, replace them with 
a new btrfs partition and then maybe somehow use btrfs-convert to 
integrate the remaining ext4 part 5 into the new part 1? . . but what I 
really want to do is create a new btrfs using the _whole_ of the disk - 
but somehow avoid having to spend a LONG time copying back about 4TB (to 
the 8TB drive) - the only way I could see that possibility working is to 
somehow do a recovery on the rest of the disk after the newly-created 
btrfs only takes up part of the beginning of the disk but leaves the old 
ext4 dirs and files recoverable somehow from near the beginning of the 
disk to just past halfway on the disk . .


This is just an interesting idea for experimenting with - it is not the 
end of the world if it is not possible or if it might be possible but 
difficult and I crash the drive in the experiment . .


Any feedback / comments from HD gurus appreciated!

Thanks,

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Re: Creating a ScreenShot HotKey Script

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Jonathan,


On 2023-09-17 04:44, Jonathan Billings wrote:

On Sep 16, 2023, at 10:28, stan via users
 wrote:






On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 22:12:02 +1000
Philip Rhoades via users  wrote:


Is this possible?  Should I be trying to do this from Sway?


I don't have an answer for you, but isn't sway a microsoft product?
Maybe it would be better to ask on a microsoft forum?


Sway is a tiling window manager/compositor for Wayland.
https://swaywm.org/

Not sure what you’re talking about, it certainly isn’t a Microsoft
product.  Sway is a Wayland-based compositor that is a replacement for
i3 (a tiling WM for X11).

For what it’s worth, it does appear that there is an automation tool
for wlroot-based compositors (such as sway): wrlctl (
https://git.sr.ht/~brocellous/wlrctl ). It’s not packaged for fedora
yet, though.



Hmm . . interesting - I usually try to stick to RPMs but will build / 
compile stuff if I have to . . I will have a look at wrlctl .


Thanks!

Phil.



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Re: Creating a ScreenShot HotKey Script

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wwp,


On 2023-09-17 07:19, wwp wrote:

Hello Philip,


On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 22:12:02 +1000 Philip Rhoades via users
 wrote:

I want to scroll through doc pages in a script loop doing a screenshot 
for each page eg the procedure would be:


1. Display the first page of the doc you want to screenshot.

2. Hit CTRL-PrtScrn (say) to start the script loop.

The script does a screenshot of the current screen.
The Right Arrow or PageDn key is sent from the script to advance 
the doc to the next page.

The script continues to loop . .

3. The script is stopped by CTRL-C (say).

Is this possible?  Should I be trying to do this from Sway?


What file format is your document?



A proprietary one which isn't easily convertible.



Couldn't you "just" export pages to
another (image) format?



No.



IOW, why do you want to make *screenshots*?



To OCR them to text to create multi-page PDFs.

Thanks,

Phil.



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Re: startx equivalent for Wayland

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George,


On 2023-09-26 23:45, George N. White III wrote:

On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 1:13 AM Dave Close  wrote:


I detest a graphical login and insist on running in multi-user mode
(old runlevel 3). To start an X11 session after login, I can use the
startx command. But I haven't found an equivalent command to start a
Wayland session.

An old post on this list suggests using weston-launch. But dnf says
there is no package that includes such a command and I can't find
any
other weston command that looks likely. Surely I can't be the only
one
wanting to start from a command line?

(The target is a system running 64-bit F38 fully updated.)


Yesterday I tried started a session using:

if [[ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_SESSION_TYPE == tty ]]; then
  MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland
XDG_SESSION_TYPE=wayland exec dbus-run-session gnome-session
fi

This has been working since yesterday, but today with bright sun I
discovered that the brightness setting isn't
available.  Fortunately this was a problem with some Fedora update and
I have a script that uses ddcutil to
adjust brightness, but nw wonder what other differences may turn up.



I am a bit confused about all this discussion - I routinely boot to 
multi-user mode and if I need a graphical environment I run this 
command:


  sway

- doesn't that do what you want to do?

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Creating a ScreenShot HotKey Script

[Philip Rhoades via users]

People,

I want to scroll through doc pages in a script loop doing a screenshot 
for each page eg the procedure would be:


1. Display the first page of the doc you want to screenshot.

2. Hit CTRL-PrtScrn (say) to start the script loop.

   The script does a screenshot of the current screen.
   The Right Arrow or PageDn key is sent from the script to advance the 
doc to the next page.

   The script continues to loop . .

3. The script is stopped by CTRL-C (say).

Is this possible?  Should I be trying to do this from Sway?

Thanks,

Phil.

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Re: Very simple iOS file uploads (JPGs) to a Fedora server? - HTTPS?

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People,


On 2023-08-25 07:01, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:

People,

I want remote siblings to be able to upload large numbers of photos
from their iPhones (using my existing ZeroTier network as the
preferred connection mechanism) to my Fedora server or Fedora
workstation - so I can do a lot of processing on them.  I have been
looking around for days for an "idiot proof" iPhone app or other
mechanism but everything I have found so far requires the iOS
uploaders to be technically clued-up to some extent and / or CLIs etc.

Is there a Docker or Podman image around that packages up a simple
upload / cloud mechanism? - maybe via HTTPS? - I am less enthusiastic
about SFTP . .



I have since found this:

  https://crates.io/crates/miniserve

which works quite nicely with:

  Android => F38

but I will check it out with the siblings who have iPhones now . .

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Re: Very simple iOS file uploads (JPGs) to a Fedora server? - HTTPS?

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Roger,


On 2023-08-25 09:18, Roger Heflin wrote:

I have piwigo installed on my webserver.  It allows uploads.  I don't
know how well it interacts with Iphones.

It is a full photo management server (uploading and albums).



Ah, OK, I will have a look at that . .

Thanks!

P.



On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 4:06 PM Tim Evans  wrote:


On 8/24/23 17:01, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
> People,
>
> I want remote siblings to be able to upload large numbers of photos from
> their iPhones (using my existing ZeroTier network as the preferred
> connection mechanism) to my Fedora server or Fedora workstation - so I
> can do a lot of processing on them.  I have been looking around for days
> for an "idiot proof" iPhone app or other mechanism but everything I have
> found so far requires the iOS uploaders to be technically clued-up to
> some extent and / or CLIs etc.
>
> Is there a Docker or Podman image around that packages up a simple
> upload / cloud mechanism? - maybe via HTTPS? - I am less enthusiastic
> about SFTP . .

Have used snapdrop.net for this in the past, but it seems to be down 
at

the moment.
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Re: Very simple iOS file uploads (JPGs) to a Fedora server? - HTTPS?

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Tim,


On 2023-08-25 07:05, Tim Evans wrote:

On 8/24/23 17:01, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:

People,

I want remote siblings to be able to upload large numbers of photos 
from their iPhones (using my existing ZeroTier network as the 
preferred connection mechanism) to my Fedora server or Fedora 
workstation - so I can do a lot of processing on them.  I have been 
looking around for days for an "idiot proof" iPhone app or other 
mechanism but everything I have found so far requires the iOS 
uploaders to be technically clued-up to some extent and / or CLIs etc.


Is there a Docker or Podman image around that packages up a simple 
upload / cloud mechanism? - maybe via HTTPS? - I am less enthusiastic 
about SFTP . .


Have used snapdrop.net for this in the past, but it seems to be down
at the moment.



I did try that but it didn't recognise the ZT network . .

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Very simple iOS file uploads (JPGs) to a Fedora server? - HTTPS?

[Philip Rhoades via users]

People,

I want remote siblings to be able to upload large numbers of photos from 
their iPhones (using my existing ZeroTier network as the preferred 
connection mechanism) to my Fedora server or Fedora workstation - so I 
can do a lot of processing on them.  I have been looking around for days 
for an "idiot proof" iPhone app or other mechanism but everything I have 
found so far requires the iOS uploaders to be technically clued-up to 
some extent and / or CLIs etc.


Is there a Docker or Podman image around that packages up a simple 
upload / cloud mechanism? - maybe via HTTPS? - I am less enthusiastic 
about SFTP . .


Thanks,

P.
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Re: Anyone got RoundCubeMail installed happily in a host / VM / Podman Container?

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suomi,


On 2023-07-21 14:30, fedora wrote:

Hi Phil
I don't think that this is of any help for you, but
here RoundCubeMail 1.5.2 runs flawlessly on Oracle Linux Server
release 8.8, kernel 5.4.17-2136.321.4.el8uek.x86_64.with mysql/mariadb
10.3.35

As far as I remember, the installation was simple (at least painless):
adjust the servers, the Starttls, the directories, the mysql-access
and off you go.



I have had an old version installed from a tar.gz and running for a long 
time through various versions of Fedora but have not had success with 
the RPM so far - I will check it out again soon.




Good luck



Thanks!

Phil.



On 20/07/2023 16.18, phr via users wrote:

People,

I have been battling with this for a while - I have had an old version 
of
RCM working on old Fedoras and occasionally being updated but I 
thought

I would start with a clean install of F38 and the RCM RPM . . I can
sometimes get to the /roundcubemail/installer screen but can never get
the mains screen to display - and none of the logs seem to explain why 
.

. I have used PostgreSQL historically but even the Sqlite attempts
didn't work either . .

Any help appreciated . .

Thanks.

Phil.
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Re: Installed Fedora 38 (sway) / grub2 on a new HD - boots OK but does not have a menuentry item in grub.cfg ?

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Francis,


On 2023-04-22 17:18, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote:

Hi.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 16:37:53 +1000 Philip Rhoades via users wrote:

- but why is there is not a line like this in /boot/grub2/grub.conf 
for

Fedora 38 Sway?


I can see that the appropriate other Sway files are in the /boot tree 
so
I am guessing that grub2 somehow knows the proper, default boot image 
-

even though the default does not have a menuentry in grub.cfg?


I bet it's related to BootLoaderSpec. If you look at the

  ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/10_linux ###

section of grub.cfg you will see:

  # The blscfg command parses the BootLoaderSpec files stored in
  # /boot/loader/entries and populates the boot menu. Please refer to 
the Boot

  # Loader Specification documentation for the files format:
  # https://systemd.io/BOOT_LOADER_SPECIFICATION/.



Ah - that sounds promising! - I will have a look at that - I would like 
a better understanding of how grub2 operates before I start messing 
around with adding entries to grub.cfg manually . .


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Installed Fedora 38 (sway) / grub2 on a new HD - boots OK but does not have a menuentry item in grub.cfg ?

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People,

My Fedora WS has 4 drive bays and I access old boot and other HDs in 
bays 2-4.  I just did a clean install of Fedora Sway to /dev/sda - 
everything is fine and the system boots OK but I am confused:


- cat /etc/os-release

NAME="Fedora Linux"
VERSION="38 (Sway)"
.
PRETTY_NAME="Fedora Linux 38 (Sway)"
ANSI_COLOR="0;38;2;60;110;180"
.
VARIANT="Sway"
VARIANT_ID=sway

- The install picked up old Fedora boot setups which show up in 
/boot/grub2/grub.conf like this:


menuentry 'Fedora Linux 37 (KDE Plasma) (on /dev/sde3)' --class 
gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 
'osprober-gnulinux-/boot/vmlinuz-6.0.7-301.fc37.x86_64--f6f43412-e6ed-4dff-808b-fe013691c3b6' 
{


- but why is there is not a line like this in /boot/grub2/grub.conf for 
Fedora 38 Sway?


I can see that the appropriate other Sway files are in the /boot tree so 
I am guessing that grub2 somehow knows the proper, default boot image - 
even though the default does not have a menuentry in grub.cfg?


A pointer to a link for info would be great . .

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Re: grub-customizer only show OSs on secondary HDs

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stan,


On 2023-04-21 01:39, stan wrote:

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 11:37:39 +1000
Philip Rhoades via users  wrote:


I thought grub-customizer might help me do something but I have
loaded it onto two computers now (F37 KDE WS) and a server (F34 XFCE)
and after I run the program (it takes minutes to get info), the
listing of OSs only shows info for the secondary HDs on each computer
- instead of also the active OS booted from /dev/sda - why is this?


I installed it on F37, and ran it, and got the same behavior as you
did, though it was much faster here, around a minute. I can't say for
sure, since I wasn't aware of grub-customizer until you mentioned it,
but I find an option to boot a selected OS from the list in the General
Settings.  I think the assumption is that you won't want to (re)boot
the system you are already running from grub-customizer, since there
are options to do that from the running system itself.



Yes, I guess that could be correct - thanks for confirming!

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grub-customizer only show OSs on secondary HDs

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People,

I thought grub-customizer might help me do something but I have loaded 
it onto two computers now (F37 KDE WS) and a server (F34 XFCE) and after 
I run the program (it takes minutes to get info), the listing of OSs 
only shows info for the secondary HDs on each computer - instead of also 
the active OS booted from /dev/sda - why is this?


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Is there some way of getting interactive access to a Fedora boot menu to a computer on the same LAN?

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People,

I am guessing this is not possible since the network is not even running 
yet . . could a mini-network of some kind be possible for the menu?


My next-best alternative is to just a let a normal boot take place, get 
network access, log in and change the default boot order and reboot . .


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Tenacity

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People,

Has there been any discussion about getting a Tenacity RPM going for 
Fedora? - I would prefer that to having to use the AppImage version . .


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Re: 1 line null webserver

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Mike,

  ruby -run -e httpd . -p 5000

P.


On 2022-12-04 21:01, Barry wrote:
On 3 Dec 2022, at 21:40, Mike Wright  
wrote:


Hi all,

I'm using dnsmasq to create an ad/media blocker.  Whenever it receives 
a request for any listed domain I want to return a specific IP that 
points to a dummy webserver.  That part works.


It's the dummy webserver that has me stumped.  I'd like it to return 0 
bytes, status 200 for every connection to port 80.


nc seems like a good candidate but I can't get it right.

Anybody have a nc one-liner or other alternative that would accomplish 
this?


I Use apache httpd, its very low over head to serve static content.
From memory I recall it used approx. 100k bytes of memory.

Barry


Thanks for any ideas,
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Trying to install from ISO via grub.cfg - almost there?

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People,

My old Zenbook has problems running LiveUSBs so I generally use dnf 
updates but the last update to F36 has caused problems with audio that I 
can't resolve so I want to do a clean install and have been trying to do 
this via running the iso from a grub2 config by adding stuff to 
40_custom:


#!/usr/bin/sh
exec tail -n +3 $0
# This file provides an easy way to add custom menu entries.  Simply 
type the
# menu entries you want to add after this comment.  Be careful not to 
change

# the 'exec tail' line above.

menuentry "Fedora 36" --class fedora --class gnu-linux --class gnu 
--class os {

rmmod tpm
set iso_label="Fedora-36"
set iso_file="Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-36-1.5.iso"
loopback loop (hd0,gpt5)/$iso_file  # sda5 is my home partition 
that I preserve between updates

set root=(loop)
linux  /images/pxeboot/vmlinuz iso-scan/filename=$iso_file 
root=live:CDLABEL=$iso_label ro rd.live.image

initrd /images/pxeboot/initrd.img
}

This actually boots but eventually grinds to a halt with:

/run/initramfs/isoscan: unknown file system type 'swap'
dmesg may have more info . .
EXT4-fs (sda5) mounted file system with ordered data mode. Quota mode: 
none.

loop0: detected capacity change from 0 to 4325276

Then lots of:

dracut-initqueue[627]: Warning:  . . .
"
Emergency mode . .

And a suggestion to save and look at:

  /run/initramfs/rdsosreport.txt

Can anyone suggest what the problem is and how to resolve it?

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Re: Interrogating BIOS from CLI? - dmidecode doesn't have the info

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ToddAndMargo,


On 2022-08-22 16:11, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 8/21/22 21:29, Tim via users wrote:

On Mon, 2022-08-22 at 00:00 +1000, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
I have a fairly recent ASUS ROG motherboard that I want to 
interrogate
from the CLI - specifically to see which SATA drives are 
hot-swappable

but dmidecode does not supply that information - is there some way of
getting the info without rebooting into the BIOS setup screen?  I am
running F36.


Tangential approach - download the manual for the board.


That won't help.  They could be set either way.



Correct.



I think he is stuck with booting into BIOS



It does look like it . . a bit sad . . would people on the grub list be 
able to tell me how hard it would be to code? - anyone else worth 
asking?  I am guessing that ASUS would not have a Linux tool . .


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Re: Interrogating BIOS from CLI? - dmidecode doesn't have the info

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Roger,


On 2022-08-22 06:40, Roger Heflin wrote:
Generally there is no standard for how anything is encoded/decoded in 
the bios.



Ah . .



Each vendor does it a slightly different way even on different bios
versions.  You would need a vendor tool that works for the specific
motherboard.



Right.



And the bios will have no way to know what is hot-swappable as that is
an external case feature/add-on enclosure.



Not sure what you mean - I can set "Hot Swappable" in the BIOS.



If you are asking which sata ports are hot swappable, my experience
has been, pretty much all of them can be hot swapped with the right
external enclosure.



Again - I have to set each drive for that function - I have never tried 
swapping when I hadn't set that function . . I do have have the 
removable enclosures for the drives I want to be able to insert / 
remove.


Thanks,

Phil.



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People,

I have a fairly recent ASUS ROG motherboard that I want to interrogate
from the CLI - specifically to see which SATA drives are hot-swappable
but dmidecode does not supply that information - is there some way of
getting the info without rebooting into the BIOS setup screen?  I am
running F36.

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Interrogating BIOS from CLI? - dmidecode doesn't have the info

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People,

I have a fairly recent ASUS ROG motherboard that I want to interrogate 
from the CLI - specifically to see which SATA drives are hot-swappable 
but dmidecode does not supply that information - is there some way of 
getting the info without rebooting into the BIOS setup screen?  I am 
running F36.


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Re: FYI: My book on Podman, preview is available.

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Daniel,


On 2022-05-04 21:00, Daniel Walsh wrote:

I have written a book on Podman which is coming out this summer.
Podman in Action for Manning Publishing.

Manning has an early access program where you can read the first few
chapters (4) and is available now.

https://www.manning.com/books/podman-in-action.



Thanks! - I will read the free chapters and see how I go . . I obviously 
prefer Podman to Docker but I am an ordinary user and not a guru so it 
should be interesting . .


Phil.



Manning also sent me a discount code for access, mlwalsh.

Dan Walsh
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Re: Script for making a KVM VM from a kickstart

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Chris,


On 2022-01-16 10:01, Chris Adams wrote:

I have been building up a script to quickly and easily make CentOS/RHEL
and Fedora VMs from kickstart files for a long time, and thought I'd 
see

if anyone else was interested.  It's especially useful IMHO if you are
working on building kickstarts, because you can fairly rapidly iterate
and test.

I've got it built as an RPM, so if others think this is useful, I might
submit it to Fedora and EPEL.

Let me know what you think!

https://github.com/cmadamsgit/ks-install



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Re: I have defeated Wayland!

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Tom,


On 2022-01-04 23:58, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 21:37:39 +1100
Philip Rhoades via users wrote:


Would what you have done fix my ZenBook issue?


Don't see how since the mousepad is built in to the hardware.
My gadget works by sitting between the mouse and the computer,
but with a laptop or tablet there is no place for a "between".



Ah . . I misunderstood . .

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Re: I have defeated Wayland!

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Grumpey,


On 2022-01-04 23:24, Grumpey wrote:

Hmm - I switched to Wayland and Sway a little while ago on both the
desktop and the ZenBook - I love the environment on the desktop but
since I only occasionally use the ZenBook, I have just been putting
up
with the lack of double-tapping etc on the mousepad.


Tap to click should be configurable.

https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki#libinput-config-options

Or am I missing something?



I will check that out . .

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Re: I have defeated Wayland!

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Tom,


On 2022-01-04 06:43, Tom Horsley wrote:

https://tomhorsley.com/hardware/mouse-tailor/mouse-tailor.html

My latest silly project adds all the mouse settings to microcode
outside of the operating system so my trackball can be useful
when I'm forced to use Wayland (which seems to have utterly discarded
any useful mouse settings once available under X11).



Hmm - I switched to Wayland and Sway a little while ago on both the 
desktop and the ZenBook - I love the environment on the desktop but 
since I only occasionally use the ZenBook, I have just been putting up 
with the lack of double-tapping etc on the mousepad.  I used to 
routinely install this after an update:


  xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-legacy-1.9.1-3.fc30.x86_64.rpm

Would what you have done fix my ZenBook issue?

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Re: I need a temporary imap client

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ToddAndMargo,


On 2021-12-16 11:39, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 35
thunderbird-91.3.0-1.fc35.x86_64

Every time I want to see new eMail on my zoho
accounts (3), I need to restart Thunderbird.
It is a pain in the neck.  My gMail account
are unaffected.

This is the bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1745668

Anyone have a recommendation for an alternate
imap client whilst I wait for the bug to be fixed?



If you want to go old school . . mutt . .

However, I stopped using TB a long time ago in favour of RoundCubeMail . 
. but I _really_ wanted to use Maildirs and get away from one big file 
for each contact . .


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Re: Message threading on this list

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John,


On 2021-11-24 09:06, John Pilkington wrote:

I'm used to reading messages in order of time of arrival.  Threaded
display in Thunderbird, or the presentation of the archive by
Hyperkitty, doesn't do this; the current thread about NVIDIA drivers
is utterly disjointed in both, with recent posts buried at random
partway up the display.  Is there a fix?



I haven't looked at it but if the threading is broken it is because 
people are replying outside of the thread - creating new threads - it is 
annoying but there is not a lot you can do about it . .


I use a RoundCubeMaill client and when your problem is TOO painful, I do 
switch to time sorted individual mails but that is frequently not a 
great solution either . .


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Jerky scrolling in Chrome, FF, Brave, VimB

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People,

I have had a reasonably powerful PC for the last few Fedora versions:

  i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz 8 core
  32GB RAM
  40GB Swap
  50% free on 4TB Seagate drive

and even though the PC seems unloaded according to Glances eg:

  < 40% CPU loading
  < 80 RAM used
  ~ 1% Swap used
  - Disk IO minimal

I still have problems using the up / down cursor keys, PgUp / PgDn keys, 
mouse wheel for moving around on web pages - there is usually a second 
or more delay and then a jump . .


Admittedly I do tend to load up the browsers with multiple windows and 
tabs but if the system still seems unloaded, why is there the jerkiness?


Prior versions of Fedora were XFCE4, current F34 is Wayland and Sway but 
the problem has been there over multiple versions . .


Thanks,

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Re: Debugging USB device issues

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Samuel,


On 2021-10-27 19:31, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 2021-10-26 10:10, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
I am getting nothing recorded in /var/log/messages when I plug in the 
GoPro and push its power button (plugging in any other USB device is 
working of course) so maybe it is the USB port on the camera that is 
the problem? - is there any way to debug that from the Fedora 
workstation?


After seeing Tim's message, I realized what you wrote.  How do you
have /var/log/messages?  Run "sudo journalctl -fa" in a terminal
before plugging in the cable and see if anything shows up.



Interesting - at first I got no response for a couple of the permuations 
I had tried before - so I tried a new permutation of USB port and two 
cables - an extension cable connected to a std USB cable with a micro 
plug - which worked!  Now I am confused about why ALL the other 
permutations worked for ALL the other devices - besides the camera . . 
weird - maybe it is an intermittent cable or camera problem? - hmm . . 
more testing required . . at least I know now that the connection is not 
100% failed . .


Thanks for responding - I appreciate it!

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Re: Debugging USB device issues

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Tim,


On 2021-10-27 19:01, Tim via users wrote:

On Wed, 2021-10-27 at 04:10 +1100, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:

I am getting nothing recorded in /var/log/messages when I plug in
the GoPro and push its power button (plugging in any other USB device
is working of course) so maybe it is the USB port on the camera that
is the problem? - is there any way to debug that from the Fedora
workstation?


Before you plug it in, open a command line and run:  dmesg

Open another command line window, plug it in, and run dmesg in the
second window.

Now you can compare the messages at the end of each dump against each
other.



It is simpler to just:  tail -f /var/log/messages




If it recognised the hardware, you should get some information about
it.  If not, a simple first test is to try another USB lead.  You can
have broken data lines, and still have functioning power lines, within
the cable, allowing it to charge.



Right - see next reply to Samuel's post . .

Thanks,

Phil.



By way of example, when I plug in a webcam, it shows all this gubbins:

[3887829.895943] usb 1-12: new high-speed USB device number 51 using 
xhci_hcd

[3887830.123901] usb 1-12: New USB device found, idVendor=0c45,
idProduct=6366, bcdDevice= 1.00
[3887830.123928] usb 1-12: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=1,
SerialNumber=3
[3887830.123936] usb 1-12: Product: CM200
[3887830.123943] usb 1-12: Manufacturer: Sonix Technology Co., Ltd.
[3887830.123949] usb 1-12: SerialNumber: SN0001
[3887830.174819] usb 1-12: 3:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84
[3887830.395965] Linux video capture interface: v2.00
[3887830.437188] uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device CM200 (0c45:6366)
[3887830.462969] input: CM200 as
/devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-12/1-12:1.0/input/input51
[3887830.463068] usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo
[3887830.463070] USB Video Class driver (1.1.1)
[3887830.921714] usb 1-12: 3:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84
[3887830.993514] usb 1-12: 3:1: cannot get freq at ep 0x84
[3892705.253593] snd_hda_intel :00:1f.3: Unstable LPIB (352800 >=
176400); disabling LPIB delay counting

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Re: Debugging USB device issues

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Samuel,


On 2021-10-27 11:22, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 2021-10-26 10:10, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
I didn't get a response to my previous Q re an apparent problem with 
getting gphoto2 to work with my GoPro Hero 4 Session camera - I hadn't 
used the camera for a while and I thought maybe the Fedora upgrades 
since then were the cause of the problem - but maybe the problem is 
actually with the USB port on the camera? (gphoto2 used to work).  The 
camera actually charges OK through the port and I can record videos 
and then move them to Fedora by moving the SC card to a card reader, 
mounting the dir and copying video files to the HD so the camera 
itself and device charging seems to be OK.


I am getting nothing recorded in /var/log/messages when I plug in the 
GoPro and push its power button (plugging in any other USB device is 
working of course) so maybe it is the USB port on the camera that is 
the problem? - is there any way to debug that from the Fedora 
workstation?


If there is no message and another USB device shows up if you plug it
in, then the problem is either with the camera or the cable.



And therefore there is no to debug from the computer side . . OK . .

Thanks!

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Debugging USB device issues

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People,

I didn't get a response to my previous Q re an apparent problem with 
getting gphoto2 to work with my GoPro Hero 4 Session camera - I hadn't 
used the camera for a while and I thought maybe the Fedora upgrades 
since then were the cause of the problem - but maybe the problem is 
actually with the USB port on the camera? (gphoto2 used to work).  The 
camera actually charges OK through the port and I can record videos and 
then move them to Fedora by moving the SC card to a card reader, 
mounting the dir and copying video files to the HD so the camera itself 
and device charging seems to be OK.


I am getting nothing recorded in /var/log/messages when I plug in the 
GoPro and push its power button (plugging in any other USB device is 
working of course) so maybe it is the USB port on the camera that is the 
problem? - is there any way to debug that from the Fedora workstation?


Thanks,

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F33 => F34 - gphoto2 not working?

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People,

Upgrading from:

F33 / Xorg / XFCE

to:

F34 / Wayland / Sway

seems to have caused gphoto2 to stop working (it does not discover any 
device plugged into a USB port) when I plug in my GoPro Black 4 now.  I 
can't see why Wayland and Sway would make a difference - what else could 
it be?  I used to be able to plug the camera in, see the red light for 
charging, wait until it was fully charged and the light went out and 
then push the button to get the USB connection.


I am not 100% sure but the little LCD screen seems to be displaying 
something different now - a power plug icon plus the USB icon - I seem 
to remember it was different before but Googling didn't help . .


Any suggestions for debugging would be appreciated!

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Re: Does Chrome, FireFox, Brave etc use the PipeWire server now? - I get mic problems

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stan,


On 2021-09-22 23:01, stan wrote:

On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 23:41:04 +1000
Philip Rhoades via users  wrote:


Some told me they thought that browsers talked directly to the
soundcard?


Not for a long, long time.  If you have pulseaudio or pipewire
installed, and are using them as default, then no matter what the
browser thinks, it is talking to pulseaudio or pipewire.



Right.



With upgrading from F33 (X/XFCE4/ALSA) to F34 (Wayland/Sway/PipeWire)
I have been thrashing the system a bit to see how it goes and found
trying to serially record stuff online from three different browsers
and also recording stuff with a number of apps causes me to lose
access to the default mic for ALL inputs . .


This sounds like a bug.  You could look at the list here,
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues
to see if it is listed.  Otherwise, you could open a new issue.



OK, I will check that out.



Since I don't have any trouble PLAYING from as many sources as I want
to but ONLY recording, I have turned OFF access to the mic for all
the browsers (C, FF, B) and will try to only use stand-alone apps
that need the mic (using default) ie audacity, jisti, obs, zoom,
arecord etc - I will see how that approach goes for a while.


Because play is working everywhere, record should work everywhere.



Why is that so? - one is SNOOP and one is DMIX controlled isn't it?



So,
a bug or possibly a mic misconfiguration error.



Right but how could it be a misconfiguration error if I am just using 
the "default" Mic all the time?




Also, because of problems in the early days with PulseAudio, I got
into the habit of routinely uninstalling it and just using ALSA plus
my .asoundrc file - now I thought PW was going to completely replace
PA but I see there are still a number of RPMs installed:


I think it is hybrid, with pipewire replacing more the higher logic,
and still using the basic plumbing of pulseaudio.



Ah, OK.



Any info on how this stuff is supposed to work / hang together would
be appreciated! - a diagram somewhere would be great!


I'm not aware of anything like that.  Pipewire is still under very
active development, so that is probably taking priority until the fires
are out.



I can believe it . .



At the bottom of this page, there are some links to more information
about pipewire.  Might or might not help you.



Nothing here?

Thanks for that - I appreciate the feedback!

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Does Chrome, FireFox, Brave etc use the PipeWire server now? - I get mic problems

[Philip Rhoades via users]

People,

Some told me they thought that browsers talked directly to the 
soundcard?


With upgrading from F33 (X/XFCE4/ALSA) to F34 (Wayland/Sway/PipeWire) I 
have been thrashing the system a bit to see how it goes and found trying 
to serially record stuff online from three different browsers and also 
recording stuff with a number of apps causes me to lose access to the 
default mic for ALL inputs . .


Since I don't have any trouble PLAYING from as many sources as I want to 
but ONLY recording, I have turned OFF access to the mic for all the 
browsers (C, FF, B) and will try to only use stand-alone apps that need 
the mic (using default) ie audacity, jisti, obs, zoom, arecord etc - I 
will see how that approach goes for a while.


Also, because of problems in the early days with PulseAudio, I got into 
the habit of routinely uninstalling it and just using ALSA plus my 
.asoundrc file - now I thought PW was going to completely replace PA but 
I see there are still a number of RPMs installed:


alsa-lib-1.2.5.1-2.fc34.x86_64
alsa-sof-firmware-1.8-1.fc34.noarch
alsa-ucm-1.2.5.1-2.fc34.noarch
alsa-utils-1.2.5.1-1.fc34.x86_64

pipewire-0.3.35-2.fc34.x86_64
pipewire-alsa-0.3.35-2.fc34.x86_64
pipewire-gstreamer-0.3.35-2.fc34.x86_64
pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit-0.3.35-2.fc34.x86_64
pipewire-libs-0.3.35-2.fc34.x86_64
pipewire-pulseaudio-0.3.35-2.fc34.x86_64
pipewire-utils-0.3.35-2.fc34.x86_64
pipewire0.2-libs-0.2.7-5.fc34.x86_64

pulseaudio-libs-14.2-3.fc34.x86_64
pulseaudio-libs-glib2-14.2-3.fc34.x86_64
pulseaudio-qt-1.2-5.fc34.x86_64
pulseaudio-utils-14.2-3.fc34.x86_64

Any info on how this stuff is supposed to work / hang together would be 
appreciated! - a diagram somewhere would be great!


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Re: /dev/sdb5 = /home => /devsda5 - at login can't chdir to /home/phr -> left in "/" - but then "cd" works ?!

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Samuel,


On 2021-08-12 05:49, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 2021-08-11 12:19 p.m., Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
I installed a new disk with F34 and made the old disk with F33 on it 
the backup disk - but I continued to use partition /dev/sdb5 mounted 
on /home while I sorted out stuff.  When I finally rsynced everything 
from /dev/sdb5 to /dev/sda5 and mounted that on /home I got this weird 
problem - I have never seen it before:


When /dev/sdb5 is mounted on /home everything works as expected but 
when I umount that drive and then mount /dev/sda5 on /home and try and 
login as user "phr", I get an "unable to change to dir /home/phr" 
message and end up at "/".  However, if I just type "cd" and enter, I 
end up in /home/phr and everything seems to be working!  The dirs, 
files and permissions on both partitions seem to be identical so I am 
stumped about what is causing this login error . . any ideas?


It's probably an selinux issue.  The labeling won't be correct because
of how you copied the files.  When you have /dev/sda5 mounted on
/home, run "restorecon -rv /home" as root.  See if that fixes the
problem.



Ah yes, that sounds like the problem - thanks!

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/dev/sdb5 = /home => /devsda5 - at login can't chdir to /home/phr -> left in "/" - but then "cd" works ?!

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People,

I installed a new disk with F34 and made the old disk with F33 on it the 
backup disk - but I continued to use partition /dev/sdb5 mounted on 
/home while I sorted out stuff.  When I finally rsynced everything from 
/dev/sdb5 to /dev/sda5 and mounted that on /home I got this weird 
problem - I have never seen it before:


When /dev/sdb5 is mounted on /home everything works as expected but when 
I umount that drive and then mount /dev/sda5 on /home and try and login 
as user "phr", I get an "unable to change to dir /home/phr" message and 
end up at "/".  However, if I just type "cd" and enter, I end up in 
/home/phr and everything seems to be working!  The dirs, files and 
permissions on both partitions seem to be identical so I am stumped 
about what is causing this login error . . any ideas?


Thanks,

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Re: F33 Xorg XFCE4 ALSA => F34 Wayland Gnome PipeWire - Issue #1

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Kevin,


On 2021-07-08 23:29, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 03:30:41AM +1000, Philip Rhoades via users 
wrote:

People,

There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting 
here

- I have looked around a lot for info before posting.


You could try the desktop list:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desk...@lists.fedoraproject.org/



I will repost there if I can't recover some of the lost productivity 
with ideas suggested here - thanks.



In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had 
direct
access to everything I need to get to: workspaces and stacked programs 
of
each app eg:  Chrome, FF, Brave, X-Terminals, Kitty Terminals etc.  
Now in

Gnome, not only do I not have direct access to the workspace I want (I
usually have four - each used for different work), but the task bar is 
only
showing ONE stacked app instead of ALL the apps in the current 
workspace -
how do I customise this task bar to look like my usual work 
environment?  I
want to persist with this environment but so far the update / 
changeover has

resulted in a severe downgrade in my productivity . .


You might consider:

Using alt-tab to switch between windows/applications instead of 
clicking
on a taskbar? If the default alt-tab isn't to your liking (by default 
it
lists all applications and windows in those applications seperately) 
you

can change it to do every window instead.



Alt-TAB does not work the same way as in XFCE4 - it looks like I could 
do what I usually do with:


  Alt-TAB Alt-`

but that is a two-step process.



Hit the 'meta' key (the windows key on many keyboards) to go to the
overview and all your apps, workspaces are shown there. You can even 
hit

meta and type the first part of whatever you are looking for is, and if
it's running, it will take you directly to it (ie, 'fire' return, takes
me to my firefox window. more shortcuts at



Very clumsy . .



https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/shell-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en



As mentioned above, I did find that and it helped a little . .



If you have a touchpad you can use gestures to switch to the overview,
between desktops, between apps. See https://forty.gnome.org/ for more
info.



I am on a desktop top and hate having to touch the mouse unnecessarily . 
.




Finally if that doesn't work, you could look at extensions. There's
likely extensions that do what you like. See
https://extensions.gnome.org I would advise trying to adjust your
workflow to use keyboard or overview thought. That way you avoid
extensions that might break and it actually (IMHO) ends up being easier
in the end.



I will check them out - thanks!

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Re: F33 Xorg XFCE4 ALSA => F34 Wayland Gnome PipeWire - Issue #1

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Samuel,


On 2021-07-08 16:33, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 7/6/21 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had 
direct access to everything I need to get to: workspaces and stacked 
programs of each app eg:  Chrome, FF, Brave, X-Terminals, Kitty 
Terminals etc.  Now in Gnome, not only do I not have direct access to 
the workspace I want (I usually have four - each used for different 
work), but the task bar is only showing ONE stacked app instead of ALL 
the apps in the current workspace - how do I customise this task bar 
to look like my usual work environment?  I want to persist with this 
environment but so far the update / changeover has resulted in a 
severe downgrade in my productivity . .


I personally don't see the benefit of it, but you can either install
the Gnome Classic session (gnome-classic-session) and pick that at
login or you can install the Window List extension
(gnome-shell-extension-window-list) and enable it.



I will have a look at those things.

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Re: F33 Xorg XFCE4 ALSA => F34 Wayland Gnome PipeWire - Issue #1

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Bob,


On 2021-07-07 09:22, Bob Marcan wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jul 2021 07:11:23 +1000
Philip Rhoades via users  wrote:


Doug,


On 2021-07-07 04:31, Doug H. wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:
>> People,
>> >> There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting
>> here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting.
>> >> In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had
>> direct access to everything I need to get to:
>
> Why don't you continue with Xfce4 in F34?


Mostly because I have been wanting to use Wayland for a long time but 
it is not supported by XFCE4 yet . . I will probably look at going 
back to XFCE4 when Wayland is supported . .


P.


Did you consider the opposite?
I'm using fvwm and i'm waiting when Wayland will support emulating X11. 
;-)



Hmm . . interesting . .

Thanks!

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Re: F33 Xorg XFCE4 ALSA => F34 Wayland Gnome PipeWire - Issue #1

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Doug,


On 2021-07-07 04:31, Doug H. wrote:

On Tue, Jul 6, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Philip Rhoades via users wrote:

People,

There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting
here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting.

In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had
direct access to everything I need to get to:


Why don't you continue with Xfce4 in F34?



Mostly because I have been wanting to use Wayland for a long time but it 
is not supported by XFCE4 yet . . I will probably look at going back to 
XFCE4 when Wayland is supported . .


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F33 Xorg XFCE4 ALSA => F34 Wayland Gnome PipeWire - Issue #1

[Philip Rhoades via users]

People,

There doesn't seem to be a dedicated Fedora Gnome list so I am posting 
here - I have looked around a lot for info before posting.


In my traditional XFCE4 environment, on the top task bar I have had 
direct access to everything I need to get to: workspaces and stacked 
programs of each app eg:  Chrome, FF, Brave, X-Terminals, Kitty 
Terminals etc.  Now in Gnome, not only do I not have direct access to 
the workspace I want (I usually have four - each used for different 
work), but the task bar is only showing ONE stacked app instead of ALL 
the apps in the current workspace - how do I customise this task bar to 
look like my usual work environment?  I want to persist with this 
environment but so far the update / changeover has resulted in a severe 
downgrade in my productivity . .


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Re: Questions for the hard disk recovery gurus

[Philip Rhoades]

Samuel,


On 2020-08-30 17:12, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 8/30/20 12:07 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
that it would take weeks!  So unless someone can suggest a faster 
method of fixing the partition (mainly just as an exercise now) or at 
least just working out what is wrong with it, I guess I will just have 
to re-create the partition?


Since you have a very recent full backup, I would recommend just
reformatting the partition.  If the damage is that extensive, it's not
worth trying to fix it.



You are probably right - it would be an interesting exercise if it could 
be done though . .


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Questions for the hard disk recovery gurus

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

I know this is not strictly a Fedora issue but I only use Fedora so I am 
hoping people here can help - maybe we should have a separate mailing 
list or forum topic for this sort of hard disk stuff?


Just after a full backup (fortunately) the 7.2TB /home partition 
(/dev/sda5) on my email server somehow got corrupted.  After I realised 
there was a problem, I unmounted the partition and tried:


  e2fsck -y /dev/sda5

but the process hangs after “Clone multiply-claimed blocks?” and the 
disk goes quiet - I could still break out with CTRL-C but I can't get 
past this point in the attempted fix process.  So I thought I would just 
produce a list of the affected files and then just delete the inodes or 
just restore from backup but when I tried:


  debugfs -R "ncheck 187536544" /dev/sda5

it took hours to find nothing but printed screenfulls of:

  ncheck: "Directory block checksum" does not match directory block 
while calling ext2_dir_iterate


and there are 1069 inodes to check!

I am guessing that if I just try to delete each of the inodes with:

  debugfs -R "clri " /dev/sda5

that it would take weeks!  So unless someone can suggest a faster method 
of fixing the partition (mainly just as an exercise now) or at least 
just working out what is wrong with it, I guess I will just have to 
re-create the partition?


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Re: How do I change the grub kernel boot parameters in F32 ?

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Stephen,


On 2020-06-15 19:05, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 2020-06-11 05:41, R. G. Newbury wrote:

On 2020-06-09 8:11 p.m.Stephen Morris wrote

if in /etc/default/grub you have the entry GRUB_ENABLE_BLSCFG=true
that inserts a line into the grub processes to use the new BLS 
standard,=20
in which case grub2-mkconfig and possibly grubby do nothing until 
that=20
entry is set to false. I have always use grub2-mkconfig because I 
have=20
never liked what grubby generated, and what BLS generates appears to 
be=20
the same as what grubby does, and I found that I had to set that 
entry=20

to false for grub2-mkconfig to continue to work.


THANKS FOR THAT, Steve!

I could not get grub2-mkconfig to actually change the grub.cfg file. 
Now I know why ( but not why such a dangerously misdescriptive switch 
would be hidden away in a default file).

In the past I would just edit the damn file,



Hear, hear!  Why did things have to get so obscure and complicated?

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Re: What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server?

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Turritopsis,


On 2020-04-17 13:01, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

On 2020-04-16 21:43, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2020-04-16 at 22:43 +1000, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Why are all the replies you send not threading?


They are threading for me. I'm using Evolution and I note that both 
you

and the OP are using Roundcube, so maybe that's a clue.


I think Roundcube webmail is not so good.



Generally I really like RCM - this is the first time I have seen 
something like this with RCM - usually when I see this happening it is 
because the user is replying with a "new" mail to a thread . .


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Re: What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server?

[Philip Rhoades]

Patrick,


On 2020-04-16 23:43, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2020-04-16 at 22:43 +1000, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Why are all the replies you send not threading?


They are threading for me. I'm using Evolution and I note that both you
and the OP are using Roundcube, so maybe that's a clue.



Yes, that is interesting - everyone else's mails are threading just fine 
. . hmm . .


Thanks!

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Re: What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server?

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Turritopsis,

Why are all the replies you send not threading?

P.


On 2020-04-16 22:39, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

On 2020-04-16 04:40, J.Witvliet--- via users wrote:

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Subject: Re: What are the differences between RHEL and Fedora Server?

On 2020-04-15 07:10, Tim via users wrote:

Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
Where can I find a good and reliable ranking of all the Linux 
distros

in the world then?


My advice is pick one that has useful user support.  Something you 
can

access and understand.




And there is always the "Fly before you Buy" Live USB sticks


Moreover, don't be lured, or lulled by reviews.
If you have the time, try it, try them all.
What might be good for you might not be acceptable for others.
And you might have specific requirements.

I know an governmental organization, that considered it wise to buy
official support by Canonical.
They hardly put an official case to them, but when they did, allthey
noticed that lierarly their issues were only forwarded to the
corresponding upstream maintainers, without even botherin to see if
they could reproduce it.

Some prefer distro "A", others "B",
But if one has much "higher rankings", but all of your staff is used
to and familiar with "B", the other might end up better for your
organization or company.

If possible, evaluate all, and re-evaluate every three-four years.
Distro's and their corresponding companies (and communities) are
living entities...


I don't think most people have the time to evaluate all the few
hundred Linux distros in the world.






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Re: GRUB2 removing args "quiet" "rhgb" - grubby doesn't work

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sixpack13, Tom,


On 2020-03-14 10:48, sixpack13 wrote:

On 13.03.20 22:59, Philip Rhoades wrote:
...


[ -d /sys/firmware/efi/efivars ] && sudo grub2-mkconfig -o
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg || sudo grub2-mkconfig -o
/boot/grub2/grub.cfg

...



Did that but I still don't get the verbose boot . .


then check after an addional run of the above "...grub2-mkconfig..."-
command if the boot files have changed => new date/time:

sudo -s

and then

ll /boot/grub2/grub*

=>
 rw-rw-r--. 1 root root 6,4K 14. Mär 00:34 /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
-rw---. 1 root root 1,0K 14. Mär 00:34 /boot/grub2/grubenv



# cat /etc/default/grub
GRUB_TIMEOUT=5
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)"
GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=true
GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="console"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="resume=UUID=d98a1bbc-fdaf-484c-9dc9-2f5fd062077d"
GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="true"
GRUB_ENABLE_BLSCFG=true

Current:

# find /boot -type f -mtime -10 -exec ls -al {} \;
-rw-rw-r--. 1 root root 5709 Mar 14 08:46 /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 329 Mar 14 02:23 
/boot/loader/entries/975d47e2dde64d12aefee7b93f8cdc77-0-rescue.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 392 Mar 14 02:23 
/boot/loader/entries/975d47e2dde64d12aefee7b93f8cdc77-5.3.7-301.fc31.x86_64.conf

-rw-rw-r--. 1 root root 1024 Mar 14 20:28 /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grubenv
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5709 Mar 14 08:40 
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg.org


# [ -d /sys/firmware/efi/efivars ] && grub2-mkconfig -o 
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg || grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

Generating grub configuration file ...
grub2-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1.  Check your 
device.map.
grub2-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb3.  Check your 
device.map.

done

# find /boot -type f -mtime -10 -exec ls -al {} \;
-rw-rw-r--. 1 root root 5709 Mar 14 22:14 /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 329 Mar 14 02:23 
/boot/loader/entries/975d47e2dde64d12aefee7b93f8cdc77-0-rescue.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 392 Mar 14 02:23 
/boot/loader/entries/975d47e2dde64d12aefee7b93f8cdc77-5.3.7-301.fc31.x86_64.conf

-rw-rw-r--. 1 root root 1024 Mar 14 22:14 /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grubenv
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5709 Mar 14 08:40 
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg.org


=> reboot

Odd thing: the grub menu font looks about double size . .

"Probing EDD . . ." - also in double size font

"Probing EDD . . ." - then changes to normal size font

but still not other text on the screen till the F31 login prompt . .

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Re: GRUB2 removing args "quiet" "rhgb" - grubby doesn't work

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On 2020-03-14 03:21, sixpack13 wrote:

On 13.03.20 17:10, Philip Rhoades wrote:

People,

In the olden days I used to just edit the grub conf file and delete 
these args manually - now I am supposed to use grubby but doing this:


   grubby --update-kernel=ALL --remove-args="quiet"
   grubby --update-kernel=ALL --remove-args="rhgb"

does not make any difference to the boot information I see before the 
graphical login . .


What am I missing?



I do:

- sudo vi /etc/default/grub
- remove quiet rhgb
- and run:

[ -d /sys/firmware/efi/efivars ] && sudo grub2-mkconfig -o
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg || sudo grub2-mkconfig -o
/boot/grub2/grub.cfg


- last line is ONE line -



Did that but I still don't get the verbose boot . .

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Re: GRUB2 removing args "quiet" "rhgb" - grubby doesn't work

[Philip Rhoades]

On 2020-03-14 05:13, stan wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 03:10:04 +1100
Philip Rhoades  wrote:


People,

In the olden days I used to just edit the grub conf file and delete
these args manually - now I am supposed to use grubby but doing this:

   grubby --update-kernel=ALL --remove-args="quiet"
   grubby --update-kernel=ALL --remove-args="rhgb"

does not make any difference to the boot information I see before the
graphical login . .

What am I missing?


I think you just want to edit /etc/default/grub and remove them from
the default kernel arguments.  Maybe copy the line and comment the old
one before changing.  You could add a timeout so the menu is visible
for a short time,
GRUB_TIMEOUT=10

Then go to where the grub cfg file is,
/boot/grub2 for non uefi
/boot/efi/EFI/fedora for uefi
and run
grub2-mkconfig -o grub.cfg



Did that - but I still don't get the verbose boot . .



Alternatively, you can keep hitting space bar during boot, and when the
menu comes up, edit the kernel boot line to remove them.  But this will
have to be done each time you boot.  Good for one time checks.



Yes, I do that occasionally but this is for a machine that has a "null" 
keyboard attached (I usually only ssh to it).


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Re: GRUB2 removing args "quiet" "rhgb" - grubby doesn't work

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On 2020-03-14 05:12, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 03:10:04 +1100
Philip Rhoades wrote:


In the olden days I used to just edit the grub conf file and delete
these args manually - now I am supposed to use grubby but doing this:


You're on olden days 2. Now you need to use grub2-editenv to
edit the kernelopts variable that appears in grubenv:

[root@tomh boot]# grub2-editenv list
saved_entry=978f7d029ece40bdb521840cbd5473a1-5.5.8-200.fc31.x86_64
menu_auto_hide=1
boot_success=1
kernelopts=root=UUID=cd806f62-fc1c-4d65-8a9e-ea638915001b ro selinux=0
audit=0 rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=nouveau
nvidia-drm.modeset=1
boot_indeterminate=0



I get:

# grub2-editenv list
saved_entry=975d47e2dde64d12aefee7b93f8cdc77-5.3.7-301.fc31.x86_64
kernelopts=root=UUID=e83e6521-3be4-4c4a-a012-89805709db3f ro 
resume=UUID=d98a1bbc-fdaf-484c-9dc9-2f5fd062077d

boot_success=0
boot_indeterminate=0

- so the args are already removed but I still don't get the verbose boot 
. .


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GRUB2 removing args "quiet" "rhgb" - grubby doesn't work

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

In the olden days I used to just edit the grub conf file and delete 
these args manually - now I am supposed to use grubby but doing this:


  grubby --update-kernel=ALL --remove-args="quiet"
  grubby --update-kernel=ALL --remove-args="rhgb"

does not make any difference to the boot information I see before the 
graphical login . .


What am I missing?

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sqlite3: error while loading shared libraries: /lib64/libc++.so: file too short

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People,

I got this error after installing F31 and trying to use sqlite3.  I had 
to:


# mv /usr/lib64/libc++.so /usr/lib64/libc++.so.too_short
# ln -s /usr/lib64/libc++.so.1.0 /usr/lib64/libc++.so

to get sqlite3 to work . .

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Re: system-upgrade F30->31 prompt oddness: phr009D777;preexecphr009C',data=iris)' - Some Progress

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People,


On 2020-01-17 08:35, George N. White III wrote:

Before bash got PS0 there was bash-preexec.sh [1].   If your system
was

upgraded serially from before PS0 came to bash this might be leftovers
from bash-preexec.sh.



Sounds plausible - and:


On 2020-01-17 09:03, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 1/16/20 1:56 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

Oh, BTW, I have

[egreshko@f31k ~]$ rpm -q setup
setup-2.13.6-1.fc31.noarch



I get the same.



And I know I've not altered /etc/bashrc and I get..

[egreshko@f31k ~]$ sha256sum /etc/bashrc
d925e7ec2fdd6861be5f3a6d5a08a1ff13a10d23ebbb8d26717b1b75ca4f118f  
/etc/bashrc



I get the same.


You should get the same if the file has not be changed if you have the 
same package version installed


Or you can just do "rpm -V setup" to see if anything has changed.



# rpm -V setup
.M...  c /etc/fstab
S.5T.  c /etc/printcap
.MG..  g /var/log/lastlog


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Re: system-upgrade F30->31 prompt oddness: phr009D777;preexecphr009C',data=iris)' - Some Progress

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People,


On 2020-01-07 19:23, Philip Rhoades wrote:

People,

I did a dnf system-upgrade and now I get this before the completion of
each CLI command:

[phr@phil ~]$ ls
phr009D777;preexecphr009C',data=iris)'
.
.

- before I start hacking around, has anyone else seen this?



I narrowed the problem down to F31 /etc/bashrc:

- I renamed ~/.bashrc and ~/bash_profile to temp files

- opened an xterm -> prompt: "bash-5.0$"

- . /etc/bashrc -> prompt includes: 
"phr009D777;preexecphr009C\u009D777;preexec\u009C"


I eventually worked out that this string is PS0 - but PS0 does not get 
set in /etc/bashrc as far as I can see . . I can work around the problem 
by resetting PS0 in my own bash startup but I would like to know what is 
going on . . anyone?


Thanks,

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system-upgrade F30->31 prompt oddness: phr009D777;preexecphr009C',data=iris)'

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People,

I did a dnf system-upgrade and now I get this before the completion of 
each CLI command:


[phr@phil ~]$ ls
phr009D777;preexecphr009C',data=iris)'
.
.

- before I start hacking around, has anyone else seen this?

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Re: F29-30 x86_64 system hanging requiring a hard reset - debugging /var/log/messages

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Tony,


On 2019-08-28 07:09, Tony Nelson wrote:

On 19-08-27 08:07:17, Philip Rhoades wrote:

People,

...there is a consistent "SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0" command that
occurs but I don't know if that is normal or not . .

  ...

That just means that systemd (pid 1) did something that auditd
reported.  There are lots of them.  E.g., your:


Aug  9 22:00:48 localhost audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0
msg='unit=systemd-hostnamed comm="systemd"
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? a


is about systemd doing something with unit=systemd-hostnamed.



Right - I thought that was probably the case - thanks.



I have a System Load Monitor applet and a Disk Load Monitor in my
taskbar, so I can see if memory is filling up or the disk is busy.




Right - I have 32GB RAM and the same of swap and I hardly ever see the 
swap being used . .




Still, I think you have some other problem if the system completely
hangs instead of just getting very very slow.



Yes, me too . . but how to determine what the problem is . . it looks 
like whatever it is, messages related to it are not being recorded . .


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F29-30 x86_64 system hanging requiring a hard reset - debugging /var/log/messages

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g 27 21:28:13 phil systemd[1]: systemd-hostnamed.service: Succeeded.
Aug 27 21:28:13 phil audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 
ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 
msg='unit=systemd-hostnamed comm="systemd" 
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=?
6:messages_hang6 
 
  unix 2643,1 Bot

"messages_hang6" 2643L, 316449C



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Update to: Increasingly frequent problem with: "Unexpected system error"; kernel-core; 4.16.15-300.fc28.x86_64; cannot be reported - related to Chrome and probably YouTube

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People,

As an update to this post:

  
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/XBSEUU5J4G7UCGNMQC54UQEOVCKICZYL


- it looks like it might be a hardware problem after all.  After 
updating to:


  kernel-4.18.13-200.fc28.x86_64

and then spending about a day moving my Default Chrome user to Vivaldi, 
and the system looking like it might now be stable - the system just 
crashed again - the symptoms: All the Vivaldi windows disappear (just 
like what happened with Chrome previously) and then while trying to shut 
down cleanly, the whole system becomes unresponsive . .


Here is what was in /var/log/messages:


Oct 19 12:19:39 phil audit[4707]: ANOM_ABEND auid=1000 uid=1000 gid=1000 
ses=1 pid=4707 comm="vivaldi-bin" exe="/opt/vivaldi/vivaldi-bin" sig=11 
res=1
Oct 19 12:19:39 phil kernel: vivaldi-bin[4707]: segfault at 8 ip 
55f1d8310d03 sp 757986d8 error 4 in 
vivaldi-bin[55f1d7f1a000+6427000]
Oct 19 12:19:39 phil kernel: Code: 73 e5 01 4c 89 e7 e8 ac 59 e7 01 48 
83 c4 20 5b 41 5c 41 5e 41 5f 5d c3 cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc cc 
cc cc cc 48 8b 3f <48> 8b 47 08 48 8d 0d 72 3a d1 ff 48 89 c
Oct 19 12:19:39 phil audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 
ses=4294967295 msg='unit=systemd-coredump@3-1044-0 comm="systemd" 
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=
Oct 19 12:19:39 phil systemd[1]: Started Process Core Dump (PID 1044/UID 
0).
Oct 19 12:19:41 phil systemd-coredump[1045]: Process 4707 (vivaldi-bin) 
of user 1000 dumped core.#012#012Stack trace of thread 4707:#012#0  
0x55f1d8310d03 n/a (vivaldi-bin)#012#1  0x55f1da188a97
Oct 19 12:19:41 phil audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 
ses=4294967295 msg='unit=systemd-coredump@3-1044-0 comm="systemd" 
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/systemd" hostname=? addr=? terminal=? res=s
Oct 19 12:19:43 phil abrtd[762]: Size of '/var/spool/abrt' >= 5000 MB 
(MaxCrashReportsSize), deleting old directory 
'ccpp-2018-10-19-01:04:24.717619-18279'
Oct 19 12:19:45 phil abrt-server[1138]: Package 'vivaldi-stable' isn't 
signed with proper key
Oct 19 12:19:45 phil abrt-server[1138]: 'post-create' on 
'/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2018-10-19-12:19:41.967676-4707' exited with 1
Oct 19 12:19:45 phil abrt-server[1138]: Deleting problem directory 
'/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2018-10-19-12:19:41.967676-4707'
Oct 19 12:19:45 phil abrt-server[1138]: Package 'vivaldi-stable' isn't 
signed with proper key
Oct 19 12:19:45 phil abrt-server[1138]: 'post-create' on 
'/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2018-10-19-12:19:41.967676-4707' exited with 1
Oct 19 12:19:45 phil abrt-server[1138]: Deleting problem directory 
'/var/spool/abrt/ccpp-2018-10-19-12:19:41.967676-4707'



I am thinking it is maybe a RAM problem? - Chrome, and now Vivaldi are 
the only things I use on the workstation (as opposed to the Fedora 
server) that use nearly all of the memory.


I use FireFox for my webmail stuff and prefer to keep that separate from 
the general browsing but it looks like the problem is not specific to a 
particular browser anyway . .


Suggestions about how to proceed with debugging?

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Re: Increasingly frequent problem with: "Unexpected system error"; kernel-core; 4.16.15-300.fc28.x86_64; cannot be reported - related to Chrome and probably YouTube

[Philip Rhoades]

Rick,


On 2018-10-17 11:13, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 10/16/18 3:54 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Ed,


On 2018-10-16 22:25, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/16/18 7:19 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Hmm . . why am I not getting updated?  I have tried this a number of
times over the
period and had just assumed I was up to date when I got
this sort of result . .


Do you happen to have an "exclude" statement in your 
/etc/dnf/dnf.conf?


And, instead of "install" what do you get when you simply tupe

dnf update



Hmm . . that worked - because I have a few different machines and I am
fairly regularly re-installing, and because after re-installing I have 
a

range of programs that are used from routinely to very irregularly, I
have gotten into the habit of just using "dnf install" - then the
program gets installed if it hasn't been installed yet and just gets
updated if it has been already installed and there is a new version
available.  So why does the kernel RPM behave differently?


The trick is "dnf install" only installs/updates things that you 
specify

on the command line. "dnf update" (or "dnf upgrade" which is preferred)
looks at what's already installed on the system and updates those. So
unless you _specified_ the kernel on the "dnf install" command line, it
won't get upgraded.



My previous email was edited - I wrote:

[root@phil ~]# dnf install kernel
Last metadata expiration check: 2:28:00 ago on Tue Oct 16 19:46:36 2018.
Package kernel-4.13.9-300.fc27.x86_64 is already installed, skipping.
Package kernel-4.16.14-200.fc27.x86_64 is already installed, skipping.
Package kernel-4.16.15-300.fc28.x86_64 is already installed, skipping.
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!

[root@phil ~]# dnf install kernel-core
Last metadata expiration check: 2:28:06 ago on Tue Oct 16 19:46:36 2018.
Package kernel-core-4.13.9-300.fc27.x86_64 is already installed, 
skipping.
Package kernel-core-4.16.14-200.fc27.x86_64 is already installed, 
skipping.
Package kernel-core-4.16.15-300.fc28.x86_64 is already installed, 
skipping.

Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!

Hmm . . why am I not getting updated?  I have tried this a number of 
times over the period and had just assumed I was up to date when I got 
this sort of result . .


- which is at odds with what you just wrote?

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Re: Increasingly frequent problem with: "Unexpected system error"; kernel-core; 4.16.15-300.fc28.x86_64; cannot be reported - related to Chrome and probably YouTube

[Philip Rhoades]

Ed,


On 2018-10-16 22:25, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/16/18 7:19 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
Hmm . . why am I not getting updated?  I have tried this a number of 
times over the
period and had just assumed I was up to date when I got 
this sort of result . .


Do you happen to have an "exclude" statement in your /etc/dnf/dnf.conf?

And, instead of "install" what do you get when you simply tupe

dnf update



Hmm . . that worked - because I have a few different machines and I am 
fairly regularly re-installing, and because after re-installing I have a 
range of programs that are used from routinely to very irregularly, I 
have gotten into the habit of just using "dnf install" - then the 
program gets installed if it hasn't been installed yet and just gets 
updated if it has been already installed and there is a new version 
available.  So why does the kernel RPM behave differently?


I will see if the new kernel helps with this Chrome / YT problem now . .

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Re: Increasingly frequent problem with: "Unexpected system error"; kernel-core; 4.16.15-300.fc28.x86_64; cannot be reported - related to Chrome and probably YouTube

[Philip Rhoades]

Samuel,


On 2018-10-16 17:48, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 10/15/18 11:20 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
Sorry, I wasn't clear - originally (some months ago) the system would 
slowly grind to a halt - if I got indications it was going to happen, 
I could sometimes shutdown properly.  More recently it is just Chrome


That could just be some process (Chrome?) using all the available
memory and forcing the system to swap badly.



Yes, I think so but I am still surprised that Chrome could cause such a 
result on a relatively fast machine with 32GB of RAM.



crashing out with all the Chrome windows disappearing.  I am able to 
restart Chrome but I suspect the system is left in an unstable state 
so I usually do a manual reboot anyway . .


If it's just Chrome crashing, your system is unlikely to be in a bad
state unless you have some indication otherwise.  Try running chrome
from the command line and see if there is any useful info when it
crashes.  Also check the journal.



There must be some incremental problem that is getting worse with time - 
otherwise how is the increasing frequency of Chrome crashes explained?  
I think it is unlikely to be hardware and more likely to be a Chrome 
problem - which seems to be exacerbated by watching YouTube videos . . I 
set up a XFCE Panel button and shell script to actually play videos with 
mpv OUTSIDE of the Chrome YouTube Window / tab but that didn't help  . .


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Re: Increasingly frequent problem with: "Unexpected system error"; kernel-core; 4.16.15-300.fc28.x86_64; cannot be reported - related to Chrome and probably YouTube

[Philip Rhoades]

Samuel,


On 2018-10-16 16:31, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 10/15/18 10:14 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
"The backtrace does not contain enough meaningful function frames to 
be reported. It is annoying but it does not necessary signalize a 
problem with your computer. ABRT will not allow you to create a report 
in a bug tracking system but you can contact kernel maintainers via 
e-mail."


For a long time I have been in the habit of overworking Chrome (eg 
quite frequently a dozen windows open with hundreds of tabs) but a 
little while ago, instead of just slowly grinding the system to a 
halt, these crashes started happening - and then more frequently - now 
it is up to a couple of times a day before I can even get anywhere 
near to my usual practice of overloading.  I haven't cleaned out 
histories or other stuff out of Chrome yet but I think my hardware 
should be up to handling a decent load but there is obviously 
something wrong . . and getting worse


You haven't described what happens.  What is crashing, the kernel or
chrome?  What happens when it "crashes"?



Sorry, I wasn't clear - originally (some months ago) the system would 
slowly grind to a halt - if I got indications it was going to happen, I 
could sometimes shutdown properly.  More recently it is just Chrome 
crashing out with all the Chrome windows disappearing.  I am able to 
restart Chrome but I suspect the system is left in an unstable state so 
I usually do a manual reboot anyway . .


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Increasingly frequent problem with: "Unexpected system error"; kernel-core; 4.16.15-300.fc28.x86_64; cannot be reported - related to Chrome and probably YouTube

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

"The backtrace does not contain enough meaningful function frames to be 
reported. It is annoying but it does not necessary signalize a problem 
with your computer. ABRT will not allow you to create a report in a bug 
tracking system but you can contact kernel maintainers via e-mail."


For a long time I have been in the habit of overworking Chrome (eg quite 
frequently a dozen windows open with hundreds of tabs) but a little 
while ago, instead of just slowly grinding the system to a halt, these 
crashes started happening - and then more frequently - now it is up to a 
couple of times a day before I can even get anywhere near to my usual 
practice of overloading.  I haven't cleaned out histories or other stuff 
out of Chrome yet but I think my hardware should be up to handling a 
decent load but there is obviously something wrong . . and getting worse 
. .


My gear:

Chrome: Version 69.0.3497.100 (Official Build) (64-bit)

See attached txt file for complete HW.

Any suggestions about how to debug this problem would be appreciated.

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  physical id: 49
  slot: L2 Cache
  size: 1MiB
  capacity: 1MiB
  capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
  configuration: level=2
 *-cache:2
  description: L3 cache
  physical id: 4a
  slot: L3 Cache
  size: 8MiB
  capacity: 8MiB
  capabilities: synchronous internal write-back unified
  configuration: level=3
 *-cpu
  description: CPU
  product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz
  vendor: Intel Corp.
  physical id: 4b
  bus info: cpu@0
  version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz
  serial: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
  slot: LGA1151
  size: 1386MHz
  capacity: 4500MHz
  width: 64 bits
  clock: 100MHz
  capabilities: lm fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 
apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht 
tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp x86-64 constant_tsc art arch_perfmon pebs bts 
rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc cpuid aperfmperf tsc_known_freq pni 
pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx est tm2 ssse3 sdbg fma cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid 
sse4_1 sse4_2 x2apic movbe popcnt tsc_deadline_timer aes xsave avx f16c rdrand 
lahf_lm abm 3dnowprefetch cpuid_fault epb invpcid_single pti ibrs ibpb stibp 
tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid fsgsbase tsc_adjust bmi1 hle avx2 

Re: draftsight

[Philip Rhoades]

Ed,


On 2018-04-28 22:05, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 04/28/18 19:57, Philip Rhoades wrote:

François,


On 2018-04-28 20:12, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

Does anyone succed to have this software working under fedora 27?

https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/



I've tried the last few versions but with no success and I have tried 
getting
support from the company in a few different locations but they don't 
respond . .




It is supposed to read autocad files (.dwg)



Yes, it would be nice if we could get it to work . .


You may want to describe what the failure is?  Frankly, I was thinking 
about

trying/testing but since no clue other than "doesn't work" is given I
decided not to.



It was a while ago and I can't remember what the error was (I think it 
has been the same problem all along) - I haven't got time to look at it 
again now.  I was going to wait until they released another version and 
have another shot at it then.  Since it has come up here now, I will 
report more detail next time - success or failure . .


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Re: draftsight

[Philip Rhoades]

François,


On 2018-04-28 20:12, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

Does anyone succed to have this software working under fedora 27?

https://www.3ds.com/products-services/draftsight-cad-software/free-download/



I've tried the last few versions but with no success and I have tried 
getting support from the company in a few different locations but they 
don't respond . .




It is supposed to read autocad files (.dwg)



Yes, it would be nice if we could get it to work . .

Phil.



Thank you.

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Re: Killing only selected Chrome windows from the CLI ?

[Philip Rhoades]

Tom,


On 2018-03-28 10:37, Tom Horsley wrote:

Possibly relevant enhancement that might appear someday
is discussed in this bug report:

https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=766068

(I don't get the impression you should hold out hope
for "someday" to be soon though).



Interesting but it doesn't sound like my problem and you are probably 
right - don't hold my breath again . .


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Re: Killing only selected Chrome windows from the CLI ?

[Philip Rhoades]

JD,


On 2018-03-28 10:27, JD wrote:

On 03/26/2018 07:53 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

Samuel,


On 2018-03-27 12:18, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 03/26/2018 05:59 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

but it is not what I want to do - when Chrome goes mad and the whole
system starts grinding to a halt (I know from experience it is
Chrome) I want to try and work out what specific Chrome tab or
window is the problem.  Chrome has its own task manager:


If you run top, which process is using the CPU?  Just kill that one,
then go through your chrome tabs and find out which tab has the sad
face on it.



That usually doesn't work from my recollection, no individual tab
seems to be a problem - it is either Chrome as a whole or a whole
window I think . . obviously shutting down all of Chrome fixes the
problem . . but it is a pain to gradually re-open all the windows I
previously had open again . .

P.

Phil,
How about using the trial and error method.
Kill one window (press the X on the right hand upper corner :)  )
and then check the cpu load in a full screen cli window.
if the load is still high, at least u will have eliminated that window.
so try this with each window and check the cpu load.
The one that brings the load down (after killing it :) )
is the culprit.



The problem is that the GUI becomes VERY unresponsive so that is why I 
preferred a CLI method - because terms seemed relatively unaffected and 
I don't have to use mouse clicks - but also because it would be nice to 
just iterate through a list killing IDs of something and immediately 
know what was happening - it still might require killing every single 
Chrome process of course . .


It is also odd that the graphical CPU and disk activity indicators do 
not show much happening but that might be because of the afore-mentioned 
GUI unresponsiveness - I can definitely HEAR more disk activity and top 
SEEMS to show more CPU activity of Chrome processes.  The problem seems 
to go rapidly exponential from minor interactive delays to the GUI being 
almost unusable with longer and longer waits between the mouse being 
responsive - so I don't have a convenient before and after problem view 
of what was happening with top.  I might see if I can log the top output 
to disk and find a method of reliably recreating the problem . .




While u r  at it, also check the mem usage of chrome. High mem usage
can cause a lot of paging and even swapping if u  r a small ram. But
if you have plethora of RAM, then u need not worry about it. U should
have at least 2 X RAM as SWAP space. Since I run a lot of apps, I have
4X RAM as SWAP on HD.



32GB RAM and 32GB of SWAP which doesn't get used.  I will keep working 
on it but at the moment, it looks like ALL Chrome processes start using 
more RAM and cause more disk activity . .


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Re: Killing only selected Chrome windows from the CLI ?

[Philip Rhoades]

Todd,


On 2018-03-27 15:41, Todd Zullinger wrote:

Philip Rhoades wrote:

On 2018-03-27 12:18, Samuel Sieb wrote:

If you run top, which process is using the CPU?  Just kill that one,
then go through your chrome tabs and find out which tab has the sad
face on it.


That usually doesn't work from my recollection, no individual tab 
seems to
be a problem - it is either Chrome as a whole or a whole window I 
think . .
obviously shutting down all of Chrome fixes the problem . . but it is 
a pain

to gradually re-open all the windows I previously had open again . .


Times like that, 'chrome://restart' is handy.  I use it most
often to pick up updates without waiting for Chrome to see
that it's been updated, but it works well in general.



I will have a look at that but I expect similarly to when Chrome crashes 
with a dozen windows open and with a dozen tabs in each - responding by 
clicking "Recover" to the "Chrome did not shut down properly" message 
seems to be more likely to actually cause the problem I first posted 
about . .  If I have been more disciplined and have had a dozen windows 
open but only a few tabs per window . . it is not so bad . . thankfully 
the "Tabs Outliner" extension helps greatly (although I had to change 
the way I normally worked).


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Re: Killing only selected Chrome windows from the CLI ?

[Philip Rhoades]

Samuel,


On 2018-03-27 15:22, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 03/26/2018 06:53 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

On 2018-03-27 12:18, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 03/26/2018 05:59 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
but it is not what I want to do - when Chrome goes mad and the whole 
system starts grinding to a halt (I know from experience it is 
Chrome) I want to try and work out what specific Chrome tab or 
window is the problem.  Chrome has its own task manager:


If you run top, which process is using the CPU?  Just kill that one,
then go through your chrome tabs and find out which tab has the sad
face on it.


That usually doesn't work from my recollection, no individual tab 
seems to be a problem - it is either Chrome as a whole or a whole 
window I think . . obviously shutting down all of Chrome fixes the 
problem . . but it is a pain to gradually re-open all the windows I 
previously had open again . .


As far as I can tell, there is one process per tab.  So if there isn't
a specific process that causing the problem, then it must be one of
the core processes and there's nothing you can do but restart the
whole thing.



Yes, it looks that way so far . .

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Re: Killing only selected Chrome windows from the CLI ?

[Philip Rhoades]

Samuel,


On 2018-03-27 12:18, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 03/26/2018 05:59 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
but it is not what I want to do - when Chrome goes mad and the whole 
system starts grinding to a halt (I know from experience it is Chrome) 
I want to try and work out what specific Chrome tab or window is the 
problem.  Chrome has its own task manager:


If you run top, which process is using the CPU?  Just kill that one,
then go through your chrome tabs and find out which tab has the sad
face on it.



That usually doesn't work from my recollection, no individual tab seems 
to be a problem - it is either Chrome as a whole or a whole window I 
think . . obviously shutting down all of Chrome fixes the problem . . 
but it is a pain to gradually re-open all the windows I previously had 
open again . .


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Re: Killing only selected Chrome windows from the CLI ?

[Philip Rhoades]

JD,


On 2018-03-27 12:10, JD wrote:

On 03/26/2018 06:59 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

People,

This command exits the chrome process tree gracefully, in all window 
managers:


  pkill --oldest chrome

but it is not what I want to do - when Chrome goes mad and the whole 
system starts grinding to a halt (I know from experience it is Chrome) 
I want to try and work out what specific Chrome tab or window is the 
problem.  Chrome has its own task manager:


  SHIFT ESC

but you can't kill a window with all its tabs from there.

Using:

  ps aux | grep "beta\/chrome"

seems to indicate individual tabs?

Using:

  xprop _NET_WM_PID

and clicking on the different windows always give the same id.

I wrote the script below using wmctrl and xkill to allow me to kill 
the Chrome windows in reverse order of creation but killing the first 
Chrome window kills all Chrome windows.  The xkill man page says the 
"program is very dangerous" and:


  -id resource

This option specifies the X identifier for the resource whose creator 
is to be aborted.


- so it looks like aborting "creator" gets rid of everything.

Any suggestions about fixing my script to selectively kill single 
Chrome windows?


Thanks,

Phil.


#!/bin/bash

wins=`wmctrl -l | sort -r`
IFS=$'\n' # bash 4
readarray -t winsarr <<< "$wins"

for win in "${winsarr[@]}"
do
IFS=' ' read id junk1 junk2 name <<< $win
echo "$id  $name"
echo -n "Kill?: "
read junk
if [ "$junk" == "Y" ]; then
xkill -frame -id "$id"
fi
done


You cannot kill specific windows of an app using general purpose CLI 
commands.
You need a command that talks directly to chrome and, for example, ask 
it for

the window id's of all of it's windows.
And the you might tell chrome to kill some specific set of window id's.
So, it all has to be under the direct control of chrome main process.
I am not sure that such an interface exists.



Damn . .



If enought people scream
at google for such an interface, then google /might/ provide such a 
cli.



I won't be holding my breath - there are so many other common-sense app 
things that Google has not done for years, I wouldn't even bother asking 
for this . .


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Killing only selected Chrome windows from the CLI ?

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

This command exits the chrome process tree gracefully, in all window 
managers:


  pkill --oldest chrome

but it is not what I want to do - when Chrome goes mad and the whole 
system starts grinding to a halt (I know from experience it is Chrome) I 
want to try and work out what specific Chrome tab or window is the 
problem.  Chrome has its own task manager:


  SHIFT ESC

but you can't kill a window with all its tabs from there.

Using:

  ps aux | grep "beta\/chrome"

seems to indicate individual tabs?

Using:

  xprop _NET_WM_PID

and clicking on the different windows always give the same id.

I wrote the script below using wmctrl and xkill to allow me to kill the 
Chrome windows in reverse order of creation but killing the first Chrome 
window kills all Chrome windows.  The xkill man page says the "program 
is very dangerous" and:


  -id resource

This option specifies the X identifier for the resource whose creator is 
to be aborted.


- so it looks like aborting "creator" gets rid of everything.

Any suggestions about fixing my script to selectively kill single Chrome 
windows?


Thanks,

Phil.


#!/bin/bash

wins=`wmctrl -l | sort -r`
IFS=$'\n' # bash 4
readarray -t winsarr <<< "$wins"

for win in "${winsarr[@]}"
do
IFS=' ' read id junk1 junk2 name <<< $win
echo "$id  $name"
echo -n "Kill?: "
read junk
if [ "$junk" == "Y" ]; then
xkill -frame -id "$id"
fi
done


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Re: alternative to skype

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

See inline responses:


On 2018-03-25 22:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2018-03-24 at 17:13 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 03/21/2018 02:52 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
> I've worked in seven different organizations, they all happened to use
> Lotus Notes as their mail system, which also defaults to top posting,
> but it was a rule in every organization that mail must be top posted.
> Their view was that having to trawl through mails to find responses is a
> time waster, therefore people will not be allowed to do it, hence
> particularly with high level managers, they applied the convention that
> if you did not top post they wouldn't read your mail. If I'm honest it

I've had situations where I've replied to people at various places and
received no answer.  And when I went to ask them why, they said I just
sent them an empty email.  I asked them to show me so they click on 
the

email.  Of course my text is below the part immediately visible in the
little preview window, so they assumed that I hadn't written anything.


Some people need educating. You could also insert [See below] at the
top, for the more obtuse readers.



I use the above to make sure people don't miss one or more separate 
responses to specific points.


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Re: du Weirdness - how is this possible

[Philip Rhoades]

JD, Gordon, Robert,


On 2018-03-12 06:13, Robert Nichols wrote:

On 03/11/2018 01:48 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

People,

I started deleting GBs of stuff from:

/dev/sdb1 /backup

but df did not reduce from 95% so I looked more closely and found this 
weirdness:


# du -s -BG 20180216
43G 20180216

# du -s -BG 20180216/*
1G  20180216/naf_dirs
43G 20180216/phil
1G  20180216/root

# du -s -BG 20180216/phil/*
1G  20180216/phil/0
1G  20180216/phil/0_finance
1G  20180216/phil/0_naf
1G  20180216/phil/Maildir
1G  20180216/phil/txts
1G  20180216/phil/vimwiki

Where has ~37GB disappeared to?  There are no files held open and I 
have successfully umounted and re-mounted the partition - what is 
going on?


That "du -s -BG 20180216/phil/*" is ignoring any "dot"
files/directories under 20180216/phil .

It's better to leave out the "-s" option and use the "--max-depth"
option to limit the depth of the display.
du -BG --max-depth=1 20180216/phil



Damn, I should have thought of that - normally, outside of .config, 
there would not be much in my dot dirs - but I had been experimenting 
with cryptocurrency nodes . .


Thanks for the useful tips!

Regards,

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du Weirdness - how is this possible

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

I started deleting GBs of stuff from:

/dev/sdb1 /backup

but df did not reduce from 95% so I looked more closely and found this 
weirdness:


# du -s -BG 20180216
43G 20180216

# du -s -BG 20180216/*
1G  20180216/naf_dirs
43G 20180216/phil
1G  20180216/root

# du -s -BG 20180216/phil/*
1G  20180216/phil/0
1G  20180216/phil/0_finance
1G  20180216/phil/0_naf
1G  20180216/phil/Maildir
1G  20180216/phil/txts
1G  20180216/phil/vimwiki

Where has ~37GB disappeared to?  There are no files held open and I have 
successfully umounted and re-mounted the partition - what is going on?


Thanks,

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Re: livecd-creator -

[Philip Rhoades]

Bob,


On 2018-02-22 13:14, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 02/22/18 08:09, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 02/21/18 18:56, Matthew Miller wrote:

Do you literally want a CD, or do you want USB media?


I have a computer that does not want to run from a fedora-27 thumb 
drive that I
used to install fedora on this the computer I am typing this on. I 
would like to
"create" with an external usb drive which has worked for me in the 
past. I
downloaded another copy of the workstation iso thinking I would do the 
job with

livecd-creator as usual but that seems to have been dropped?



If you have the Fedora ISO file on disk, you can "dd" it to the USB 
drive eg:


  dd if=./filename.iso of=/dev/sdc

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Re: CUPS - Some apps can't print

[Philip Rhoades]

Samuel,



Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 21:57:31 -0800
From: Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net>
Subject: Re: CUPS - Some apps can't print
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 02/08/2018 09:38 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

I posted a "SOLVED" followup - this fixed the problem:

   dnf update cups-filters

   systemctl restart cups


Sorry about that.  It was further down in my inbox so I didn't see that
until after I sent my reply.  It would have been better if you had
replied in that thread so that the messages would be together in
people's inboxes and in the archives.



Hmm . . not sure what happened - I just did what I normally do (which 
used to work):


- reply to the list

- change the subject appropriately

- edit out extraneous digest stuff and add my response to the 
appropriate thread


That should have retained whatever threading was involved?

Now that I think about it . . I'm not sure how that CAN work . .

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Re: CUPS - Some apps can't print

[Philip Rhoades]

Samuel,



Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 20:03:26 -0800
From: Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net>
Subject: Re: CUPS - Some apps can't print
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 02/08/2018 05:45 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
Trying to print from LibreOffice - no data is sent and the Printer 
State

shows:

   Idle - Filter failed




Any suggestions about further debugging?


Have you looked in the journal to see if there is more useful
information?  Try using "journalctl -u cups -b" to filter.  If there's
not enough info, you could try modifying /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to set 
the

log level to debug and restart cups.



I posted a "SOLVED" followup - this fixed the problem:

  dnf update cups-filters

  systemctl restart cups

but thanks for the journalctl approach - I will add that to my 
collection of READMEs!


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Re: CUPS - Some apps can't print - SOLVED

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People,



Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 12:45:38 +1100
From: Philip Rhoades <p...@pricom.com.au>
Subject: CUPS - Some apps can't print
To: Community support for Fedora users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
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People,

I try and minimise printing and try and send electronic docs where
possible but sometimes I am forced into producing paper copies.  
Because

I use the printer so infrequently, I am not sure if this problem has
started since upgrading from F25 to F26 (x86_64) or whether it was 
there

even earlier (I usually update every version).  CUPS printer info:

Device URI:

   lpd://192.168.1.4/

Make and Model:

   Brother HL-5250DN BR-Script3

Trying to print from LibreOffice - no data is sent and the Printer 
State

shows:

   Idle - Filter failed

Printing the exported PDF with qpdfview works fine and the Printer 
State

shows:

   Idle - Data file sent successfully.

So for every doc I end up having to export to PDF from LibreOffice and
print from qpdfview . . which is tedious when the thing should be able
to be printed directly.  I have spent hours trying all the options (I
thought it might be because I have an imbedded PNG for a signature) and
Googling but haven't found a solution.  I have deleted the printer
driver and reinstalled it a number of times . .

I just found trying to print from Google Docs to the printer fails too 
.

.

Any suggestions about further debugging?



To answer my own question - this fixed the problem:

  dnf update cups-filters

  systemctl restart cups

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CUPS - Some apps can't print

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People,

I try and minimise printing and try and send electronic docs where 
possible but sometimes I am forced into producing paper copies.  Because 
I use the printer so infrequently, I am not sure if this problem has 
started since upgrading from F25 to F26 (x86_64) or whether it was there 
even earlier (I usually update every version).  CUPS printer info:


Device URI:

  lpd://192.168.1.4/

Make and Model:

  Brother HL-5250DN BR-Script3

Trying to print from LibreOffice - no data is sent and the Printer State 
shows:


  Idle - Filter failed

Printing the exported PDF with qpdfview works fine and the Printer State 
shows:


  Idle - Data file sent successfully.

So for every doc I end up having to export to PDF from LibreOffice and 
print from qpdfview . . which is tedious when the thing should be able 
to be printed directly.  I have spent hours trying all the options (I 
thought it might be because I have an imbedded PNG for a signature) and 
Googling but haven't found a solution.  I have deleted the printer 
driver and reinstalled it a number of times . .


I just found trying to print from Google Docs to the printer fails too . 
.


Any suggestions about further debugging?

Thanks,

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Re: Organising photos visually

[Philip Rhoades]

Richard,



Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 10:54:22 -0600
From: Richard Shaw 
Subject: Re: Organising photos visually
To: p...@pricom.com.au, Community support for Fedora users

Message-ID:

Re: Organising photos visually

[Philip Rhoades]

Richard,


On 2018-01-31 03:23, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 08:44:50 -0600
From: Richard Shaw 
Subject: Re: Organising photos visually
To: Community support for Fedora users 
Message-ID:

Re: pulseaudio MUST DIE!

[Philip Rhoades]

Wolfgang,



Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 21:07:08 +0100
From: Wolfgang Pfeiffer <r...@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: pulseaudio MUST DIE!
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 20:02:47 +0100
Wolfgang Pfeiffer <r...@gmx.net> wrote:


On Wed, 22 Nov 2017 20:10:19 -0500
Doug <dmcgarr...@optonline.net> wrote:

> On 11/22/2017 05:36 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
> >  [ ... ]
> >
> > Today I held an exorcism and have slain the damned thing:
> > dnf remove pulseaudio
> > which, amazingly, took out 34 packages.
> >
> > Sound now works perfectly - just the way it should.
> > I cannot discern any important loss of function from the deleted
> > 34 packages so far.  aplay, vlc, xmms, mythfrontend and even
> > skypeforlinux all work fine with alsa.
> >
> > pulseaudio should just go away!
> >
> >
> Can you now play a video thru your computer and monitor and local
> sound speakers and at the same time send an htmi signal to your TV
> set that includes cideo and sound?


... tho I must admit I didn't succeed to have the same audio signal
being playbacked on both the internal computer speakers and on
external hardware (TV, home stereo etc. ) at the same time ...

I still have to choose: sound either from internal speakers or an
external sound system ..



That should be fixable with a properly configured .asoundrc file? - 
might need an ALSA guru to do it though . .


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File transfer for a GoPro Hero Session

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People,

I just bought this camera but on my F25 x86_64 XFCE workstation, 
plugging the camera into a USB port does not register a device - from 
Googling it appears that I might have to use gvfs to get a usable 
connection?  Has anyone got this working with a setup like mine?


Thanks,

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Infrequently used, running Java Chatbot app - slow to respond to a new request

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

I have an infrequently used Java chatbot app - mostly accessed from 
here:


  https://www.facebook.com/PhiRhoChat

which connects with the chatbot running on my Fedora 25 x86_64 server.

Because it is infrequently used, it appears that Java is caching most of 
the app to disk.  When I start a new conversation I can hear the disk in 
the server next to me churning and it takes some time before I get a 
response from the bot - and also the delay seems to be causing problems 
between FB and the bot on my server causing messages to be repeated etc.


Is there some way to force the OS to NOT disk cache the Java app so that 
it will always respond as quickly as possible - even if there are long 
periods between chats?


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Re: SSH problem from BasicLinux floppy booted 486 to Fedora 25

[Philip Rhoades]

Jakub,


On 2017-03-13 23:43, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:55:42 +0100
From: Jakub Jelen <jje...@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: SSH problem from BasicLinux floppy booted 486 to Fedora
25
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On 03/13/2017 07:02 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote:

People,

I get an error trying to ssh from a BasicLinux floppy booted 486 (I 
want

to sort out HD problems on the old Adaptec 1542 controlled SCSI drive
that has RH5.2 on it!) when trying to connect to my Fedora 25 x86_64
workstation.  On the F25 machine in /var/log/secure I get lines like:

Mar 13 16:25:47 phil sshd[7562]: Unable to negotiate with 192.168.1.40
port 1034: no matching key exchange method found. Their offer:
diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 
[preauth]


You are connecting from very old OpenSSH client (3.5), which does not
support any of the currently secure cryptography algorithms. You should
really consider updating that BasicLinux.



There will probably be a very infrequent need to boot that computer - 
once I rsync everything off it, the HD will probably only be used for 
odd testing after that.  Also, I am already using 3 floppies to boot the 
machine - an up-to-date BL will be bigger and use more floppies etc etc




Otherwise you can enable the legacy kex and ciphers in the Fedora
OpenSSH server by following these instructions:

http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html



Perfect!  Thanks for that - I can reverse using the legacy stuff after I 
recover the data from the old machine.


Regards,

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SSH problem from BasicLinux floppy booted 486 to Fedora 25

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

I get an error trying to ssh from a BasicLinux floppy booted 486 (I want 
to sort out HD problems on the old Adaptec 1542 controlled SCSI drive 
that has RH5.2 on it!) when trying to connect to my Fedora 25 x86_64 
workstation.  On the F25 machine in /var/log/secure I get lines like:


Mar 13 16:25:47 phil sshd[7562]: Unable to negotiate with 192.168.1.40 
port 1034: no matching key exchange method found. Their offer: 
diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 [preauth]


On the BasLin terminal I get:

OpenSSH_3.5p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090607f
debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be 
trusted.

debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0
debug1: Connecting to 192.168.1.20 [192.168.1.20] port 22.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/identity type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_7.3
debug1: match: OpenSSH_7.3 pat OpenSSH*
debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.5p1
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1

debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-...@lysator.liu.se
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-...@lysator.liu.se
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd...@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-ripemd160,hmac-ripemd...@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96

debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit:
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit:
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
curve25519-sha...@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group16-sha51

2,diffie-hellman-group18-sha512,diffie-hellman-group14-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
ssh-rsa,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ssh-ed25519
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
chacha20-poly1...@openssh.com,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-...@openssh.com,aes256-...@openssh.com
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
chacha20-poly1...@openssh.com,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-...@openssh.com,aes256-...@openssh.com
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
umac-64-...@openssh.com,umac-128-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-...@openssh.com,umac-64@openssh.

com,umac-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: 
umac-64-...@openssh.com,umac-128-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-...@openssh.com,umac...@openssh.com,umac-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1

debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,z...@openssh.com
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,z...@openssh.com
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit:
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit:
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0
no matching cipher found: client 
aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,arcfour,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,rijndael-...@lysator.liu.se 
server 
chacha20-poly1...@openssh.com,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-...@openssh.com,aes256-...@openssh.com

debug1: Calling cleanup 0x805deb0(0x0)


Any suggestions about how to fix this SSH problem?

Thanks,

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Microkernels - Genod Framework - Error building on F25 x86_64

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

I use Fedora for just about everything (well OK, I use Android too . .) 
but I am interested in microkernels and their possibilities so I started 
playing around with Genode but I got an immediate error in the build and 
when I posted a note on the Genode list to ask about how to fix it, I 
got this reply:


'your host system misses a proper C++ compiler, which is needed to build
the "hybrid" fb_sdl component (hybrid means that it is both a regular
Linux program that is linked against the glibc and interacts with the
Linux world, as well a Genode component that interacts with the Genode
world). The sup++ library is normally part of the 'g++' package.

To avoid stumbling blocks like this, please revisit the prerequisites
listed here:

  http://genode.org/documentation/developer-resources/getting_started
'

However, the stuff there left me none-the-wiser about how to fix the 
problem . .


If anyone has any suggestions about how to proceed (or about 
microkernels in general) I will give it another shot - otherwise I wait 
till the next time something piques my interest in the subject . .


Thanks,

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Re: Odd behaviour for GREP

[Philip Rhoades]

Dave,


On 2016-10-02 23:10, Dave Mitchell wrote:

On Sun, Oct 02, 2016 at 09:15:36PM +1100, Philip Rhoades wrote:

On F25 x86_64 as user "fedora" with default environment I get:

grep Cock application.html.erb

  Provider for the National Disability Insurance Trial Site in 
Kwinana/

Cockburn

grep Cock *

  grep: *: No such file or directory

grep Cock a*

  grep: a*: No such file or directory

grep Cock *erb

  grep: *erb: No such file or directory

The same commands for root work as expected . . but I cannot see 
anything in
.bash[rc | _profile] that would make a difference - I can send the 
diffs if

people think I am missing something . .


This isn't an issue with grep, but with your shell not expanding 
wildcards.

If
grep Cock *

gives you

grep: *: No such file or directory

then I'd expect

echo *

to give you

*

If indeed the shell isn't expanding wildcards (but does for root), then
I'd suspect the directory isn't readable by the current user (i.e. it's
--x or -wx rather than r-x or rwx).



Well I went back to have a look and the directory is indeed owned by 
Fedora:


  drwxr-sr-x 2 fedora fedora 4096 Oct  2 21:00 .

but now all the greps work as expected!  I'm not sure what is going on - 
on that remote VM I always log in as root via SSL and use:


  su - fedora

to do things - but now everything is behaving properly . . I would 
prefer a problem still needing to be resolved than having no problem but 
not understanding what the temporary problem was . .


Thanks anyway,

Phil.

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Re: RH Linux 5.2, Kernel 2.0.36, SCSI Disks => VM? + Nostalgia . .

[Philip Rhoades]

Samuel,


On 2016-10-02 11:54, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

From: Samuel Sieb <sam...@sieb.net>
Subject: Re: RH Linux 5.2, Kernel 2.0.36, SCSI Disks => VM? +
Nostalgia . .
To: Community support for Fedora users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
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On 09/30/2016 02:40 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
It was a little strange but pleasant looking at all this very old 
stuff
- knowing with hindsight how the users, lists and sites developed 
after

their modest beginnings.  I guess I got a bit nostalgic and decided to
continue to keep the box (it is the only old box I have that can
accommodate the old Adaptec ISA board) but it occurred to me that it
would be an interesting exercise to try and virtualise the system - is
this possible? - could I create an image from the old 2GB SCSI boot 
disk

and run it as a virtual machine somehow?



Shouldn't be a problem.  The only issue would be whether the installed
OS has a driver for the emulated scsi drive.



Do you mean if the host OS has a driver ie F25?



If you used the emulated
IDE instead, you would need to mount the image (or drive) locally and
edit the fstab to change the /dev/sd* entries to /dev/hd*.



Not sure why I would need to be emulating IDE . .



I expect the
bootloader would be LILO



Correct.



which I think uses BIOS calls to load the OS,
so that should work.



OK, I am still at a loss as to how to proceed . . I had assumed that I 
would need to do a dd of the old SCSI drive with it's 6 partitions and 
create an image that I could move to my F25 workstation and from there 
work out how to load into virt-manager or something . .


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Re: Odd behaviour for GREP - correction

[Philip Rhoades]

On 2016-10-02 21:15, Philip Rhoades wrote:

People,

On F25 x86_64 as user "fedora" with default environment I get:



Actually it is F20 x86_64 - I forgot I was on a VM!



grep Cock application.html.erb

  Provider for the National Disability Insurance Trial Site in
Kwinana/ Cockburn

grep Cock *

  grep: *: No such file or directory

grep Cock a*

  grep: a*: No such file or directory

grep Cock *erb

  grep: *erb: No such file or directory

The same commands for root work as expected . . but I cannot see
anything in .bash[rc | _profile] that would make a difference - I can
send the diffs if people think I am missing something . .

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Phil.


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Odd behaviour for GREP

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

On F25 x86_64 as user "fedora" with default environment I get:

grep Cock application.html.erb

  Provider for the National Disability Insurance Trial Site in Kwinana/ 
Cockburn


grep Cock *

  grep: *: No such file or directory

grep Cock a*

  grep: a*: No such file or directory

grep Cock *erb

  grep: *erb: No such file or directory

The same commands for root work as expected . . but I cannot see 
anything in .bash[rc | _profile] that would make a difference - I can 
send the diffs if people think I am missing something . .


Any ideas?

Thanks,

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RH Linux 5.2, Kernel 2.0.36, SCSI Disks => VM? + Nostalgia . .

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

My usual mode of operation when updating OSes is to use a new Hard Disk 
and install the latest version of the OS (sometimes bleeding edge) and 
to keep the old disk as an archive drive.  So I have a lot of old drives 
and recently I have been going back through the old SATA and then IDE 
drives - which has been an interesting archaeological dig!  Today I 
started looking at stuff on this old RH server which was used as a Qmail 
mail server, EZMLM mailing list manager and a host for a few small web 
sites.  It had not been looked at since the machine had been turned off 
a long, long time ago - to my surprise it booted up with no problems!  
Now all I need to do is daisy-chain the Adaptec SCSI controller to an 
external box with another 4 SCSI drives in it to complete the 
archaeological exploration.


It was a little strange but pleasant looking at all this very old stuff 
- knowing with hindsight how the users, lists and sites developed after 
their modest beginnings.  I guess I got a bit nostalgic and decided to 
continue to keep the box (it is the only old box I have that can 
accommodate the old Adaptec ISA board) but it occurred to me that it 
would be an interesting exercise to try and virtualise the system - is 
this possible? - could I create an image from the old 2GB SCSI boot disk 
and run it as a virtual machine somehow?


For the record, my first RH OS was v4.0 - which I used in a commercial 
environment (we told the boss it was an updated version of UNIX!) - I 
had used a variety of other distros for fun going back to Slackware and 
before that Softlanding Linux System (SLS):


  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softlanding_Linux_System

RH upset me when they took their distro completely commercial and I was 
cranky for a while but I was very happy when RH finally realised their 
mistake and createde Fedora Core 1 - which I eagerly lept into!


Also, I still have my first-ever (electronic) computer (I had a plastic 
one when I was kid that had three bits and the clock cycle involved 
manually pushing and pulling a lever . .) - an Exidy Sorcerer from 1978 
which had to have programs and data loaded from audio audio cassettes 
(!):


  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exidy_Sorcerer

and my first computer with floppy disks - the luggable Osborne 1 
computer.


  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_1

I wouldn't be surprised if I could still boot them up as well! . . 
although it would be a fair bit more messing around . .


Thanks,

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Running docker images crashing F25?

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

I couldn't find a specific docker Fedora list so I am posting here - 
feel free to tell me a more appropriate list . .


I decided to live on the edge and did a bare-metal install of F25 x86_64 
a little while ago - it has been going pretty smoothly but in the last 
few days I have been playing around with docker again (specifically: 
cprogrammer/indimail:fedora-23 ie a qmail server) and I have had a few 
spontaneous reboots - one that locked up at a BIOS splash screen.


Is this something I should be helping to debug somehow?  I just did a 
full "dnf update" before the last couple of crashes . .


Thanks,

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Re: Booting LiveCD from the Hard Disk

[Philip Rhoades]

Tom,


On 2016-08-24 00:02, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:

Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:50:01 +1000
From: Philip Rhoades <p...@pricom.com.au>
Subject: Booting LiveCD from the Hard Disk
To: Community support for Fedora users <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
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People,

Whether I use a GRUB2 configuration to boot from the XFCE LiveCD iso or
extract the files and not have to use the loopback option - I get the
same problem - the boot process gets past linux and initrd and then has
problems ie:

[3.141117] localhost kernel: clocksource: tsc: mask:
0x max_cycles: 0x73401d16425, max_idle_ns: 881590940111
ns
[3.400709] localhost iscsid[324]: can't open InitiatorName
configuration file /etc/iscsi/initiatorname.iscsi
[3.400773] localhost iscsid[324]: Warning: InitiatorName file
/etc/iscsi/initiatorname.iscsi does not exist or does not contain a
properly formated InitiatorName. If using s
[3.400810] localhost iscsid[324]: can't open InitiatorAlias
configuration file /etc/iscsi/initiatorname.iscsi
[3.400845] localhost iscsid[324]: can't open iscsid.safe_logout
configuration file /etc/iscsi/iscsid.conf
[  124.495385] localhost kernel: random: nonblocking pool is 
initialized

[  124.799208] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning:
dracut-initqueue timeout - starting timeout scripts
[  125.306596] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning:
dracut-initqueue timeout - starting timeout scripts

. .

[  184.496528] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning:
dracut-initqueue timeout - starting timeout scripts
[  185.002817] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning:
dracut-initqueue timeout - starting timeout scripts
[  185.003527] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning: Could not 
boot.

[  185.004425] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning:
/dev/disk/by-label/Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-24-1.2 does not exist
[  185.005291] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning:
/dev/mapper/live-rw does not exist
[  185.009415] localhost systemd[1]: Starting Setup Virtual Console...
[  185.010711] localhost systemd[1]: Started Setup Virtual Console.
[  185.119933] localhost kernel: audit_printk_skb: 3 callbacks
suppressed
[  185.120246] localhost kernel: audit: type=1130
audit(1471958788.345:12): pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295
subj=kernel msg='unit=systemd-vconsole-setup comm="systemd
[  185.012519] localhost audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=kernel
msg='unit=systemd-vconsole-setup comm="systemd"
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/sys
[  185.012891] localhost systemd[1]: Starting Dracut Emergency Shell...

Indeed, /dev/disk/by-label does not exist but I don't know to how to 
fix

the problem - assuming it is possible to fix . .

Any ideas / suggestions?

(BTW, this stuff is not "Mission Critical" - it is just an interesting
exercise . . )

Thanks,

Phil.

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Australia
E-mail:  p...@pricom.com.au

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Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:01:30 -0400
From: Tom Horsley <horsley1...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Booting LiveCD from the Hard Disk
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Message-ID: <20160823100130.2134f9d6@zooty>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:50:01 +1000
Philip Rhoades wrote:


Whether I use a GRUB2 configuration to boot from the XFCE LiveCD iso


I don't know if anyone ever tweaked fedora live cds to have
the required support to boot via grub. I know at one time I
read they wouldn't work that way. I do have several livecd
images setup to boot from disk, but none of them are fedora.



You will note I said the boot process gets past the linux and initrd 
stage - so it is past the grub stage and into the Fedora boot stage - 
this is a Fedora problem not a GRUB2 problem . .


Thanks,

Phil.
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Booting LiveCD from the Hard Disk

[Philip Rhoades]

People,

Whether I use a GRUB2 configuration to boot from the XFCE LiveCD iso or 
extract the files and not have to use the loopback option - I get the 
same problem - the boot process gets past linux and initrd and then has 
problems ie:


[3.141117] localhost kernel: clocksource: tsc: mask: 
0x max_cycles: 0x73401d16425, max_idle_ns: 881590940111 
ns
[3.400709] localhost iscsid[324]: can't open InitiatorName 
configuration file /etc/iscsi/initiatorname.iscsi
[3.400773] localhost iscsid[324]: Warning: InitiatorName file 
/etc/iscsi/initiatorname.iscsi does not exist or does not contain a 
properly formated InitiatorName. If using s
[3.400810] localhost iscsid[324]: can't open InitiatorAlias 
configuration file /etc/iscsi/initiatorname.iscsi
[3.400845] localhost iscsid[324]: can't open iscsid.safe_logout 
configuration file /etc/iscsi/iscsid.conf

[  124.495385] localhost kernel: random: nonblocking pool is initialized
[  124.799208] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning: 
dracut-initqueue timeout - starting timeout scripts
[  125.306596] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning: 
dracut-initqueue timeout - starting timeout scripts


. .

[  184.496528] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning: 
dracut-initqueue timeout - starting timeout scripts
[  185.002817] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning: 
dracut-initqueue timeout - starting timeout scripts

[  185.003527] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning: Could not boot.
[  185.004425] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning: 
/dev/disk/by-label/Fedora-Live-Xfce-x86_64-24-1.2 does not exist
[  185.005291] localhost dracut-initqueue[472]: Warning: 
/dev/mapper/live-rw does not exist

[  185.009415] localhost systemd[1]: Starting Setup Virtual Console...
[  185.010711] localhost systemd[1]: Started Setup Virtual Console.
[  185.119933] localhost kernel: audit_printk_skb: 3 callbacks 
suppressed
[  185.120246] localhost kernel: audit: type=1130 
audit(1471958788.345:12): pid=1 uid=0 auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 
subj=kernel msg='unit=systemd-vconsole-setup comm="systemd
[  185.012519] localhost audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=kernel 
msg='unit=systemd-vconsole-setup comm="systemd" 
exe="/usr/lib/systemd/sys

[  185.012891] localhost systemd[1]: Starting Dracut Emergency Shell...

Indeed, /dev/disk/by-label does not exist but I don't know to how to fix 
the problem - assuming it is possible to fix . .


Any ideas / suggestions?

(BTW, this stuff is not "Mission Critical" - it is just an interesting 
exercise . . )


Thanks,

Phil.

--
Philip Rhoades

PO Box 896
Cowra  NSW  2794
Australia
E-mail:  p...@pricom.com.au
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