Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell 



On 07/08/2017 07:51 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/09/17 10:36, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

I admit that I am newbie here and might be making wrong conclusions, but with 
each
correction I get a little bit better understanding.


I feel that if you're really interested into why certain repos release certain
versions of nVidia driver SW you should be asking them directly.

As a matter of fact, in reality, anything having to do with other repositories 
should
be addressed with them.



agreed ... thanks
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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Ed Greshko 
On 07/09/17 10:36, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> I admit that I am newbie here and might be making wrong conclusions, but with 
> each
> correction I get a little bit better understanding. 


I feel that if you're really interested into why certain repos release certain
versions of nVidia driver SW you should be asking them directly.

As a matter of fact, in reality, anything having to do with other repositories 
should
be addressed with them.

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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell 



On 07/08/2017 07:07 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/09/17 09:51, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Thanks for info.

I found this for long-lived:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=OTkxOA.

I am assuming short-lived is for Fedoras and the like in which they may 
want/need
to move to another version and will abandon the prior short-lived?


No, nothing to do with any distribution like Fedora or any other.

It has to do with personal choices based on what HW you have, or want to buy, 
and if
you're interested in newer HW or features being introduced.  As mentioned 
previously,
RPMfusion (which targets Fedora) releases the latest versions of the Long Live 
SW.

I suppose I'd be tempted to refer to Short Lived as their Beta branch...but 
they
(nVidia) may consider it differently.

In the end, none of that matters.  You pick the repo that gives you what you 
need and
want.  I've been perfectly happy with RPMfusion and their packages and 
methodology
when it comes to installation and updates to nVidia.


Ed:

My take on this came from the negativo17.org page I sent in earlier 
email which states:


"Here is a rundown of Nvidia supported drivers and options split by 
distribution. Basically, CentOS/RHEL will always get a Long Lived branch 
release if possible, Fedora always a Short Lived branch release, and 
unreleased distributions will always get a Beta driver."


I cannot find an NVidia definition of short-lived (which I think is what 
is needed here) ... this was the closest example I could find that 
attempted to put short-lived in context. Seems to be a repo decision 
given that RPMfusion uses the Long-Lived for Fedora. And, in 
Negativo17's case, they are to some extent making decisions based on 
what distribution it is.


For what it is worth, the folks I got the advice to go with ElRepo as it 
is more idiot-proof than other repos also mentioned Negativo17 but the 
take was they might be a bit less conservative with choices when we 
looked at their decision for multimedia. Hence, they may be comfortable 
with a short-lived branch while PRMfusion isn't? (and, yes, this is a 
purely speculative swag)


I admit that I am newbie here and might be making wrong conclusions, but 
with each correction I get a little bit better understanding.


Paul
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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Ed Greshko 
On 07/09/17 09:51, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Thanks for info.
>
> I found this for long-lived:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=OTkxOA.
>
> I am assuming short-lived is for Fedoras and the like in which they may 
> want/need
> to move to another version and will abandon the prior short-lived? 


No, nothing to do with any distribution like Fedora or any other.

It has to do with personal choices based on what HW you have, or want to buy, 
and if
you're interested in newer HW or features being introduced.  As mentioned 
previously,
RPMfusion (which targets Fedora) releases the latest versions of the Long Live 
SW.

I suppose I'd be tempted to refer to Short Lived as their Beta branch...but 
they
(nVidia) may consider it differently. 

In the end, none of that matters.  You pick the repo that gives you what you 
need and
want.  I've been perfectly happy with RPMfusion and their packages and 
methodology
when it comes to installation and updates to nVidia.

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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell 



On 07/08/2017 06:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/09/17 08:35, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Oh, I definitely missed that aspect. Middle of page of
https://elrepo.org/tiki/kmod-nvidia where it lists kmod-nvidia-xx is 
what
led me to believe that. I can see on https://negativo17.org/nvidia-driver/ that
they list driver version for el6/el7 as 375.66 and f24/25/26 as 381.22. Thanks 
for
explaining the model to me.


Final note.

If you were to check the nVidia website http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html 
you'd
see listed

Latest Long Lived Branch version: 375.66
Latest Short Lived Branch version: 381.22

I do not know what nVidia's definition of "Long Lived" v.s. "Short Lived".



Ed:

Thanks for info.

I found this for long-lived: 
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=OTkxOA.


I am assuming short-lived is for Fedoras and the like in which they may 
want/need to move to another version and will abandon the prior short-lived?


Paul
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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Ed Greshko 
On 07/09/17 08:35, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Oh, I definitely missed that aspect. Middle of page of
> https://elrepo.org/tiki/kmod-nvidia where it lists kmod-nvidia-xx 
> is what
> led me to believe that. I can see on https://negativo17.org/nvidia-driver/ 
> that
> they list driver version for el6/el7 as 375.66 and f24/25/26 as 381.22. 
> Thanks for
> explaining the model to me.


Final note.

If you were to check the nVidia website http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html 
you'd
see listed

Latest Long Lived Branch version: 375.66
Latest Short Lived Branch version: 381.22

I do not know what nVidia's definition of "Long Lived" v.s. "Short Lived".  

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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell 



On 07/08/2017 05:11 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/09/17 07:17, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

Thanks for correcting me on the Centos vs Fedora issue, I made a leap of faith 
that
I shouldn't have. That being said, if you say RPMFusion is 375.66 then that is 
the
same one available at ElRepo. Isn't the version available based on graphic card
rather than opSys.

No.  The version of the nVidia drivers supplied by the repo is purely the 
choice of
those running the repo.  They pick up the drivers themselves from nVidia and 
then
simply repackage them in "rpm" format to make installation easier.

I went by their website, which is kind of hard to read and a bit outdated.  I 
suppose
I really should look in the repo to see what version they are supplyingbut
frankly it isn't that important to me.


Oh, I definitely missed that aspect. Middle of page of 
https://elrepo.org/tiki/kmod-nvidia where it lists 
kmod-nvidia-xx is what led me to believe that. I can see on 
https://negativo17.org/nvidia-driver/ that they list driver version for 
el6/el7 as 375.66 and f24/25/26 as 381.22. Thanks for explaining the 
model to me.


Obviously, I really meant it when I said I was a newbie to NVidia 
(smile) on Linux w/ nouveau (smile).


I have to revisit my understanding of all this

  

And I did not know about RPMFusion / akmod support ... I figured updates from
NVidia would be unlikely for RHEL / Centos but was wondering what I would have 
to
do if I discovered there was one.

You may be coming confused as to the purpose of akmod?  It has nothing to do 
with
"updated" drivers.  The nVidia drivers are in a module which needs to be 
"inserted"
in the running kernel.  You can list those modules using the "lsmod" command.  
All of
these modules are built specifically for a particular running kernel.  For 
example, I
have 3 kernels installed on my system so you'd find this.

egreshko@meimei ~]$ locate nvidia.ko
/usr/lib/modules/4.11.6-201.fc25.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko
/usr/lib/modules/4.11.7-200.fc25.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko
/usr/lib/modules/4.11.8-200.fc25.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko

When the kernel is updated the akmod process with build the nvidia.ko module, 
package
it in a rpm, and install the rpm.



Reading this and your prior email shows that I did get myself confused. 
I think part of that confusion may be the above mentioned model for what 
the version represents. The other part is clearly a mis-read of your 
original comment, apologies


I appreciate your taking the time to straighten out some of my 
misconceptions (I am positive there are more on this one and I need to 
do the work to straighten them out myself)


Best,
Paul



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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Ed Greshko 
On 07/09/17 07:17, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Thanks for correcting me on the Centos vs Fedora issue, I made a leap of 
> faith that
> I shouldn't have. That being said, if you say RPMFusion is 375.66 then that 
> is the
> same one available at ElRepo. Isn't the version available based on graphic 
> card
> rather than opSys.

No.  The version of the nVidia drivers supplied by the repo is purely the 
choice of
those running the repo.  They pick up the drivers themselves from nVidia and 
then
simply repackage them in "rpm" format to make installation easier.

I went by their website, which is kind of hard to read and a bit outdated.  I 
suppose
I really should look in the repo to see what version they are supplyingbut
frankly it isn't that important to me.
 
>
> And I did not know about RPMFusion / akmod support ... I figured updates from
> NVidia would be unlikely for RHEL / Centos but was wondering what I would 
> have to
> do if I discovered there was one.

You may be coming confused as to the purpose of akmod?  It has nothing to do 
with
"updated" drivers.  The nVidia drivers are in a module which needs to be 
"inserted"
in the running kernel.  You can list those modules using the "lsmod" command.  
All of
these modules are built specifically for a particular running kernel.  For 
example, I
have 3 kernels installed on my system so you'd find this.

egreshko@meimei ~]$ locate nvidia.ko
/usr/lib/modules/4.11.6-201.fc25.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko
/usr/lib/modules/4.11.7-200.fc25.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko
/usr/lib/modules/4.11.8-200.fc25.x86_64/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko

When the kernel is updated the akmod process with build the nvidia.ko module, 
package
it in a rpm, and install the rpm.


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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell 



On 07/08/2017 02:45 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 07/08/17 16:47, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

I can't begin to figure out what is happening and where to report as I am too 
much
of a newbie regarding NVidia on Linux

Problems with nouveau, like all packages actually supplied by fedora project, 
should
be filed at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
If you have problems with nouveau and you report them you must continue to run
nouveau since as part of the bugzilla process you may be asked to perform 
additional
tests and/or provide more information.

If you report a nouveau problem, switch to nVidia drivers, and are then asked 
for
more information but are unable/unwilling to supply it you can expect the 
bugzilla to
be closed without getting fixed.



What I can offer is that I installed NVidia drivers from ElRepo repository on
Centos 7 and have seen no problems except for some noise between SELinux and the
NVidia install. This repository was suggested to me from Autodesk which clearly 
has
an interest in trying to run on NVidia. When I mentioned rpm-fusion, they 
"hinted"
that I might be better off on ElRepo.

The advice you've been given "may" be appropriate for Centos7 which is a 
long-life
distribution.  If one would check ELRepo's website they'd find that the latest 
driver
is version 346.35.

When it comes to Fedora, and/or the desire for quicker bug fixes and support 
for the
latest video HW, then RPMFusion is a better choice.  They package the latest 
released
(not beta) nVidia drivers.  They are currently at  375.66.

RPMFusion also provides you with "akmod" support.  This is beneficial as it 
allows
the kmod-nvidia packages/drivers to be rebuilt for newly released kernel updates
which can happen frequently with Fedora.



For what it is worth, I have not gotten "great response" out of RHEL/Centos on
issues regarding the introduction of NVidia drivers ... I think that once one
installs them "one is on one's own" in that RHEL/Centos world



Once you install any package which "taints" the kernel you can expect little 
help
from Fedora or Red Hat in resolving kernel related issues.  You also won't get 
help
with any packages not supplied by them.



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Ed:

Thanks for correcting me on the Centos vs Fedora issue, I made a leap of 
faith that I shouldn't have. That being said, if you say RPMFusion is 
375.66 then that is the same one available at ElRepo. Isn't the version 
available based on graphic card rather than opSys.


And I did not know about RPMFusion / akmod support ... I figured updates 
from NVidia would be unlikely for RHEL / Centos but was wondering what I 
would have to do if I discovered there was one.


I did query Centos bugzilla about the SELinux noise and realized a few 
days afterwards that the odds were good that silence was going to be the 
answer. I kinda hoped for a "yeah, that's expected" but that was a bit 
naive of me.


Best,
Paul


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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread stan 
On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:29:30 +0200
François Patte  wrote:

> Bonjour,
> 
> I have an nvidia graphic card (NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800
> GT] (rev a2)) and sometimes, with the nouveau driver, the X system
> freeze and I have to reboot.
> 
> I get these messages in the logs:
> 
> nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc00f
> failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
> nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc103
> failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
> nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0004 [INVALI ...:  12
> Time(s) nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 000d [BEGIN_ ...:
> 210 Time(s) nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0034 [] ...:
> 399 Time(s)
> 
> Where to report this?

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/

This sounds similar to this error,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=918732
that used to happen with the nouveau driver.

That ticket is now closed, but you could open a new one with your error
if a search for xorg-x11-drv-nouveau there doesn't turn up a similar
issue already opened. I didn't see your exact problem in a quick
scan, but here are a couple that aren't exactly the same, but similar

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1406019
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1400828
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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Ed Greshko 
On 07/08/17 16:47, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
>
>
> On 07/08/2017 12:29 AM, François Patte wrote:
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> I have an nvidia graphic card (NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800 GT]
>> (rev a2)) and sometimes, with the nouveau driver, the X system freeze
>> and I have to reboot.
>>
>> I get these messages in the logs:
>>
>> nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc00f
>> failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
>> nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc103
>> failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
>> nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0004 [INVALI ...:  12 Time(s)
>> nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 000d [BEGIN_ ...:  210 Time(s)
>> nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0034 [] ...:  399 Time(s)
>>
>> Where to report this?
>>
>> I recently changed for the proprietary driver from rpm-fusion and --- I
>> cross my fingers --- this problem did not occur till now
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>
>
>
> I can't begin to figure out what is happening and where to report as I am too 
> much
> of a newbie regarding NVidia on Linux

Problems with nouveau, like all packages actually supplied by fedora project, 
should
be filed at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/
If you have problems with nouveau and you report them you must continue to run
nouveau since as part of the bugzilla process you may be asked to perform 
additional
tests and/or provide more information.

If you report a nouveau problem, switch to nVidia drivers, and are then asked 
for
more information but are unable/unwilling to supply it you can expect the 
bugzilla to
be closed without getting fixed.


>
> What I can offer is that I installed NVidia drivers from ElRepo repository on
> Centos 7 and have seen no problems except for some noise between SELinux and 
> the
> NVidia install. This repository was suggested to me from Autodesk which 
> clearly has
> an interest in trying to run on NVidia. When I mentioned rpm-fusion, they 
> "hinted"
> that I might be better off on ElRepo.

The advice you've been given "may" be appropriate for Centos7 which is a 
long-life
distribution.  If one would check ELRepo's website they'd find that the latest 
driver
is version 346.35.

When it comes to Fedora, and/or the desire for quicker bug fixes and support 
for the
latest video HW, then RPMFusion is a better choice.  They package the latest 
released
(not beta) nVidia drivers.  They are currently at  375.66.

RPMFusion also provides you with "akmod" support.  This is beneficial as it 
allows
the kmod-nvidia packages/drivers to be rebuilt for newly released kernel updates
which can happen frequently with Fedora.


>
> For what it is worth, I have not gotten "great response" out of RHEL/Centos on
> issues regarding the introduction of NVidia drivers ... I think that once one
> installs them "one is on one's own" in that RHEL/Centos world
>
>
Once you install any package which "taints" the kernel you can expect little 
help
from Fedora or Red Hat in resolving kernel related issues.  You also won't get 
help
with any packages not supplied by them.

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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell 



On 07/08/2017 01:47 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:



On 07/08/2017 12:29 AM, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

I have an nvidia graphic card (NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800 GT]
(rev a2)) and sometimes, with the nouveau driver, the X system freeze
and I have to reboot.

I get these messages in the logs:

nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc00f
failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc103
failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0004 [INVALI ...:  12 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 000d [BEGIN_ ...:  210 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0034 [] ...:  399 Time(s)

Where to report this?

I recently changed for the proprietary driver from rpm-fusion and --- I
cross my fingers --- this problem did not occur till now

Thank you



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Françosi:

I can't begin to figure out what is happening and where to report as I 
am too much of a newbie regarding NVidia on Linux


What I can offer is that I installed NVidia drivers from ElRepo 
repository on Centos 7 and have seen no problems except for some noise 
between SELinux and the NVidia install. This repository was suggested 
to me from Autodesk which clearly has an interest in trying to run on 
NVidia. When I mentioned rpm-fusion, they "hinted" that I might be 
better off on ElRepo.


For what it is worth, I have not gotten "great response" out of 
RHEL/Centos on issues regarding the introduction of NVidia drivers ... 
I think that once one installs them "one is on one's own" in that 
RHEL/Centos world


Paul


Resend as I apologize for typo on your first name of François

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Re: nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell 



On 07/08/2017 12:29 AM, François Patte wrote:

Bonjour,

I have an nvidia graphic card (NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800 GT]
(rev a2)) and sometimes, with the nouveau driver, the X system freeze
and I have to reboot.

I get these messages in the logs:

nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc00f
failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc103
failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0004 [INVALI ...:  12 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 000d [BEGIN_ ...:  210 Time(s)
 nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0034 [] ...:  399 Time(s)

Where to report this?

I recently changed for the proprietary driver from rpm-fusion and --- I
cross my fingers --- this problem did not occur till now

Thank you



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Françosi:

I can't begin to figure out what is happening and where to report as I 
am too much of a newbie regarding NVidia on Linux


What I can offer is that I installed NVidia drivers from ElRepo 
repository on Centos 7 and have seen no problems except for some noise 
between SELinux and the NVidia install. This repository was suggested to 
me from Autodesk which clearly has an interest in trying to run on 
NVidia. When I mentioned rpm-fusion, they "hinted" that I might be 
better off on ElRepo.


For what it is worth, I have not gotten "great response" out of 
RHEL/Centos on issues regarding the introduction of NVidia drivers ... I 
think that once one installs them "one is on one's own" in that 
RHEL/Centos world


Paul
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nvidia nouveau problems

2017-07-08 Thread François Patte 
Bonjour,

I have an nvidia graphic card (NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 8800 GT]
(rev a2)) and sometimes, with the nouveau driver, the X system freeze
and I have to reboot.

I get these messages in the logs:

nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc00f
failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
nouveau :01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv84_xuc103
failed with error -2 ...:  2 Time(s)
nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0004 [INVALI ...:  12 Time(s)
nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 000d [BEGIN_ ...:  210 Time(s)
nouveau :01:00.0: gr: DATA_ERROR 0034 [] ...:  399 Time(s)

Where to report this?

I recently changed for the proprietary driver from rpm-fusion and --- I
cross my fingers --- this problem did not occur till now

Thank you

-- 
François Patte
UFR de mathématiques et informatique
Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145
Université Paris Descartes
45, rue des Saints Pères
F-75270 Paris Cedex 06
Tél. +33 (0)1 8394 5849
http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte



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