Re: reveal codes

[Andrew Pitonyak]

As far as I can tell, neither of these things helps what I'm
referring to. As an example: let's say you apply the Emphasis
character style to a sequence of characters, and then later want to
add some following characters that don't have that style. If you just
position your cursor after the last styled character, the text you 
add

will also be styled. You need to position your cursor after the first
_unstyled_ character that follows, insert your new text, and then 
back

up and delete that first unstyled (and now unwanted) character. With
RevealCodes turned on in WordPerfect, you would just position your
cursor after the end-of-style indicator and start entering unstyled
text.


well, the only difference is that you may NOT be able to position the 
cursor outside of the formatting mark. something that reveals the codes 
would clearly show that this is the case. So, what you would need to do 
is to place the cursor as close as you can get, and then manually set / 
change the style. The only functionality that you are missing is things 
such as:


1. An ability to force the cursor past a formatting mark or style, 
which may not be possible to do with AOO. No, really.
2. The ability to delete a formatting mark from within "reveal codes" 
window. I think you could do that in WP anyway.


Both of these could be worked around in a native version of the 
capability, but, for now, that is not available, and, I do not expect it 
to be available anytime soon since I have not heard that anyone was 
working on it. So, the question is, (1) how can you request that it be 
added [open a request] and (2) how can you use what is currently 
available to solve your existing "problem" to accomplish your goal. The 
way that I usually work around this is by placing the cursor where I 
want it and start typing. if it starts working in Bold, and I don't want 
bold, then I highlight it and make it not bold (as one example). Would 
it be faster to press the "show me codes" key, move the cursor, then 
type? Maybe. I don't think that we have the problem with empty tags in 
AOO that we had in WP, so I don't think that you need to use it to 
remove empty tags.


So, you might want to find that reveal codes macro (I think that 
someone had a link to it) and give that a try, see about opening a 
feature request, and, if you are unsure how to work around a specific 
behavior, describe it.


It will not be the same, even if someone can carefully defines how it 
should work in AOO (because it cannot be exactly the same because of 
styles). Best of luck


andy

Re: reveal codes

[Andrew Pitonyak]

On 2017-08-10 7:14, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 07:08:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Robert Funnell  wrote:


On Thu, 10 Aug 2017, Stephen Nichols wrote:

> Let me clarify.  The “codes” revealed are not what your 
thinking of — tags with bracketed text, XML code, etc..  I think 
that the viewing option should more properly be called “Reveal 
Structure” since it simply shows what formatting instruction has 
been given and where, specifically things like, typeface and size, 
indentations, line spacing, etc..


You're right that what is wanted is not an exact display of the 
actual
internal coding but rather some visual indication of what's going 
on.


To me the value of RevealCodes in WordPerfect was not just in seeing
the structure but in therefore being able to position the cursor
before or after (or inside or outside of) a particular style. This
would be just as useful in OO and LO.

- Robert


If one turns on /Format /Styles and Formatting, it clearly indicates
the current formatting style at the cursor position.

/View /Non printing characters is helpful in showing spacing and
paragraph/line ends.



I tested the reveal codes macro years ago. last time I tried it, I had 
to make changes to the underlying code to make it work. I don't remember 
exactly what it showed, or, how it showed it. Also, it did not entirely 
work as the system worked in WP, not that I entirely remember how that 
worked, but, here are some issues with reveal codes in LO / AOO.


The first issue is related to styles. So, if you want to know why your 
text is bold, it may be because there is a style making it so and it may 
be because someone applied direct formatting. So, coming out of the 
gate, there is always the question of what does one show with reveal 
codes? Do you show the styles or just the formatting? For sure this is 
useful functionality.


I don't even remember exactly what WP did. Could I start "BOLD" and 
then not turn it off? This is not possible the way that AOO is written.


I think that the bottom line is that "sure, it would be great", it is 
possible to do, the created extension provides (does it still work?) 
some approximation, the developers have not yet considered it 
sufficiently interesting to work on it (and I think it would require 
significant time to integrate it).


I think that the best path forward would be to open a feature request 
and then if sufficient people vote for it or express interest, it might 
be done.


Andrew Pitonyak

Re: reveal codes

[zahra a]

hi.
did you test libreoffice for this purpose?
and i recommend that peist the content of your file in for example
notepad++ to see the codes.
God bless you!

On 8/10/17, Stephen Nichols  wrote:
> Let me clarify.  The “codes” revealed are not what your thinking of — tags
> with bracketed text, XML code, etc..  I think that the viewing option should
> more properly be called “Reveal Structure” since it simply shows what
> formatting instruction has been given and where, specifically things like,
> typeface and size, indentations, line spacing, etc..
>
> Stephen Nichols
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2017, at 8:35 PM, Robert Funnell 
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 10 Aug 2017, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>
>> The reveal codes shows bad formatting issues, if you learn to use Styles
>> properly there is nothing to reveal.
>
> Sometimes one has to work with documents created by other people.
>
> And often one would like to be able to place the cursor before or after an
> invisible format or style 'code' (or xml tag). I think that the possibility
> (in principle) of doing so was demonstrated by the macros originally
> developed by Iannz (referred to on my Web page mentioned in an earlier post
> in this thread).
>
> - Robert
>
>
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Re: Problems Opening Open Office Program

[zahra a]

hi.
did you try uninstalling and reinstalling program?
whats your idea about libreoffice?
for me, this problems occur and i should open my files again.
sometimes after crashing these programs, i should recover my files and
open them.
i recommend to activate create backup copy of your files and Save
AutoRecovery information every: in options load-save general!


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> We use Open Office for our business, & we recently bought a new device
> (Nextbook Flexx10 with Windows 8.1) and downloaded the latest version of
> Open Office. It was working fine at first then it started kicking us off the
> program saying "A problem has caused the program to stop working correctly.
> Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution becomes
> available". It will let us open a blank document but not one of our
> documents that we were currently working on. Also the keyboard will
> momentarily freeze at the same time. We're in the middle of an important
> business report & need to get it working again asap. What should we do? Any
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated. We've never had any issues with
> Open Office in the past.
>
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Re: reveal codes

[Robert Funnell]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2017, Stephen Nichols wrote:


Let me clarify.  The “codes” revealed are not what your thinking of — tags with 
bracketed text, XML code, etc..  I think that the viewing option should more 
properly be called “Reveal Structure” since it simply shows what formatting 
instruction has been given and where, specifically things like, typeface and 
size, indentations, line spacing, etc..


You're right that what is wanted is not an exact display of the actual 
internal coding but rather some visual indication of what's going on.


To me the value of RevealCodes in WordPerfect was not just in seeing 
the structure but in therefore being able to position the cursor 
before or after (or inside or outside of) a particular style. This 
would be just as useful in OO and LO.


- Robert

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Re: reveal codes

[Robert Funnell]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2017, Rory O'Farrell wrote:


On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 07:08:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Robert Funnell  wrote:


...
To me the value of RevealCodes in WordPerfect was not just in seeing
the structure but in therefore being able to position the cursor
before or after (or inside or outside of) a particular style. This
would be just as useful in OO and LO.


If one turns on /Format /Styles and Formatting, it clearly indicates the 
current formatting style at the cursor position.

/View /Non printing characters is helpful in showing spacing and paragraph/line 
ends.


As far as I can tell, neither of these things helps what I'm referring 
to. As an example: let's say you apply the Emphasis character style to 
a sequence of characters, and then later want to add some following 
characters that don't have that style. If you just position your 
cursor after the last styled character, the text you add will also be 
styled. You need to position your cursor after the first _unstyled_ 
character that follows, insert your new text, and then back up and 
delete that first unstyled (and now unwanted) character. With 
RevealCodes turned on in WordPerfect, you would just position your 
cursor after the end-of-style indicator and start entering unstyled 
text.


- Robert


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Re: reveal codes

[Rory O'Farrell]

On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 07:08:16 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Robert Funnell  wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Aug 2017, Stephen Nichols wrote:
> 
> > Let me clarify.  The “codes” revealed are not what your thinking of — tags 
> > with bracketed text, XML code, etc..  I think that the viewing option 
> > should more properly be called “Reveal Structure” since it simply shows 
> > what formatting instruction has been given and where, specifically things 
> > like, typeface and size, indentations, line spacing, etc..
> 
> You're right that what is wanted is not an exact display of the actual 
> internal coding but rather some visual indication of what's going on.
> 
> To me the value of RevealCodes in WordPerfect was not just in seeing 
> the structure but in therefore being able to position the cursor 
> before or after (or inside or outside of) a particular style. This 
> would be just as useful in OO and LO.
> 
> - Robert

If one turns on /Format /Styles and Formatting, it clearly indicates the 
current formatting style at the cursor position.

/View /Non printing characters is helpful in showing spacing and paragraph/line 
ends.

-- 
Rory O'Farrell 

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Issue with Apache Open Office

[Tina Hutto]

Today I was having issues opening documents and such, when I would open them 
and click on a tab in the document Open office would "crash". And it continued 
to do it. The version I had was 4.1.1. It was the first time I've ever had this 
issue. So I did an update to 4.1.3. When I tried to install it, it installed 
4.1.2. I did the set up wizard 3 timesIt installed, I got the desktop 
shortcut the whole bit...I tried to open a document and it popped up asking me 
if I wanted to allow this app to make changes to my computer, so I checked 
yes...and it comes up with the install wizard3 times it did thiswhy 
will it not open my documents??? I'm getting very frustrated with this. I work 
from home and I use my computer and I open alot of documents and as of now, I 
cannot open a documentPlease advise...Thanks. 


Tina Hutto